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***Official - 2024 Major League Baseball Thread - Dodgers Cook With Gas While The Others Eat Cold Cuts*** (2 Viewers)
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
The Cubs and Kyle Tucker could not reach a deal for 2025 so they will head to arbitration. They were separated by 2.5 million, which seems a ridiculously trivial amount for the Cubs not to match.
The two sides can still negotiate until the date of the hearing, but this is not a good way to begin a relationship.
The two sides can still negotiate until the date of the hearing, but this is not a good way to begin a relationship.
Eephus
Footballguy
For what it's worth, the Cubs offer of $15M is closer to the $15.8M projected by Matt Swartz's MLBTR model than Team Tucker's $17.5M number.
I doubt the Cubs are dumb enough to actually take it to arbitration.
Seems super silly right, to argue over 2.5 million on a guy that is about to command a salary in the $500,000,000 range after this season. But this is the reason why the Astros traded him. Tucker is going to be the most prized free agent next year and he is going to command an unrealistic salary and the Astros didn't think he was worth it. Not sure what the Cubs are doing here though as they had to realize it when they traded for him, but I guess they'll let it play out. He's a terrific player, but I think Team Tucker are going to be difficult to deal with in the offseason.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Roki Sasaki to the Dodgers.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Why , I’ll be!
-fish-
Footballguy
Because of revenue sharing, the Dodgers support teams with crappy ownership who won't spend money like the Pirates and Mariners. Dodgers are good for baseball because they want to win, not profit off of doing the bare minimum.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Now predict how many of those guys will still be healthy in September.
They also have so much more money than most teams that it's not competitive. Baseball needs a salary cap. It's a joke.
Eephus
Footballguy
There are arguments to be made for a salary cap or some sort of Financial Fair Play rules but Sasaki doesn't figure into those. The Dodgers had less bonus pool money to play with and still got their guy. Our only hope is that the other international free agents they had to renege on to pay Sasaki all turn out to be studs for another team.
-fish-
Footballguy
No, baseball needs a salary floor.
Also, Sasaki didn't cost a whole lot. Dodgers were the third highest payroll last year, and will probably be the same this year.
Instinctive
Footballguy
1. You won't get a floor without a cap.
2. You won't get a cap because the union won't allow it. The owners would sign up for a cap tonight if you polled them.
Instinctive
Footballguy
And:
3. Personally, I think it is very good for sports when there are clear death star style favorites that have a huge fanbase and tons of detractors and underdogs challenging.
When was baseball most watched? Jeter Yankees.
When has basketball been at its heights? Celtics-Lakers. Jordan Bulls. LeBron vs Golden State.
When has football been at its best? Cowboys-Niners. Chiefs three peat right now. Patriots mid-dynasty.
Etc.
3. Personally, I think it is very good for sports when there are clear death star style favorites that have a huge fanbase and tons of detractors and underdogs challenging.
When was baseball most watched? Jeter Yankees.
When has basketball been at its heights? Celtics-Lakers. Jordan Bulls. LeBron vs Golden State.
When has football been at its best? Cowboys-Niners. Chiefs three peat right now. Patriots mid-dynasty.
Etc.
dkp993
Footballguy
The deferred contracts are problem. Dodgers have over $1 billion in deferred salary. There is zero chance they build their team as it stands without that. And if the team isn’t built the way it is now there’s a real shot Roki doesn’t sign there. The deferred contracts have allowed them to build a ****ing All-Star team.
Eephus
Footballguy
Win 1* championship in 36 years and it goes straight to your head
dkp993
Footballguy
Yes, and no. It wasn’t about the money today. It’s about the money he will get. The Dodgers will be able to pay him the most money when the time comes so why not end up on the team that’s gonna offer you the most.
It’s also just another perfect example of how agents words mean absolutely nothing. All that BS before about wanting a small market. Wanting to be the star of the team. Wanting a place where he could be best developed, etc. etc. etc. That’s all complete BS. It’s about the money.
Eephus
Footballguy
An agent's job is to get the best deal for his or her client. Public or leaked (or surmised) statements don't matter much in a negotiation.
He won't hit free agency for another six years. A lot can happen between now and then.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Sounds like the Dodgers made a few trades to increase their bonus pool money, so they’re still planning on signing all the other international guys they had agreements with.
Eephus
Footballguy
Well then, let's just hope they all bust
3C's
Footballguy
They lost at least one already due to the delay in getting sasaki signed.
-fish-
Footballguy
and only the Dodgers can defer contracts?
-fish-
Footballguy
The 11 division titles in 12 years sort of demonstrates stability
-fish-
Footballguy
contrast that with a team like the Mariners who have what, one playoff appearance in 20+ years? Salary floor would fix that problem. If there's a problem in baseball, it's owners who make money on cable contracts, tickets and concessions and don't care about the product on the field.
dkp993
Footballguy
Of course not. But they are the only ones that can afford to do it to that level. Just like the Yanks in the early 2000’s. That’s not good for the game
Capella
Footballguy
Pretty sure it’s 2 in 5
Eephus
Footballguy
Analytics
Instinctive
Footballguy
Why isn't it good for the game?
dkp993
Footballguy
Having 1 (or 2) team(s) that can far out spend anyone else and buy themselves an all star team kills competitive spirit of the league. When even the upper mid-tier teams can keep up the league has lost the narrative.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Do the other teams not compete? Is there any evidence ever that a team or two far outspending the rest has killed competitive spirit? As far as I know 1-2 teams have far outspent all others like every year I've been alive. Seems like hand wringing over nothing to me.
What narrative has been lost?
dkp993
Footballguy
Huh, guess I missed all those years where a team has over a billion in deferred contracts. Thanks for setting me straight on my hand wringing.
Instinctive
Footballguy
So the bar for "far outspending" is very high. Where do you set it? When I worked at MLB, one team spent 25% more than the next highest ($60M per year), approximately 300% more than the lowest, and approximately 100% more than the 10th highest.
I just scrolled through years and picked some random ones:
2005: the highest spending team was double the 3rd highest, and ~80% higher than the second highest.
2009: the highest spending time team was approximately 65% higher than the number two and three teams
2024: two teams are virtually tied at the top, spending ~25% more than the next couple teams. If you add the deferred contracts into just LA, they would basically end up tied with the other top two teams.
In fact, if we dig deeper, the only figure one can be upset with is really Ohtani, who accounts for almost all of the news catching deferred totals (~70% of the deferred salaries) Boston has about as much deferred as LA without Ohtani, for example.
If you add everyone's deferred salaries, the Mets still outspend LA, though the Dodgers do, unless I missed a big deferred Yankees salary, pass the other NY team.
So, yeah, I call it hand wringing. What am I missing? Try to be less of a jerk please. I think I engaged with a thoughtful question rather than inflammatory or knee-jerk rhetoric
dkp993
Footballguy
So my opinion is hand wringing and inflammatory knee-jerk rhetoric and yours is thoughtful questions and I’m being the jerk? OK.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Knee-jerk reaction: "A knee-jerk reaction is a quick, automatic response to something that is often done without thinking". I think "these guys paying so much money is ruining competitive spirit!" with no facts, and not even understanding where it puts team payrolls (or at least not acknowledging it) was pretty clearly knee-jerk. It gave a clear appearance of not knowing or looking up the facts of the situation and going with an emotional response.
Inflammatory rhetoric: "Language or speech that is deliberately provocative" - I certainly felt provoked by "Huh, guess I missed all those years where a team has over a billion in deferred contracts. Thanks for setting me straight on my hand wringing." If you want to tell me that was something other than deliberately provocative or condescending, I'll gladly apologize right now. Sure seemed like you were being rude and dismissive.
Just let me know, good buddy! I thought I was entering into a discussion of whether something was good or bad for the game, and comparing it to other times in history when the situation has occurred (and, in fact, proving that it's more balanced now than just about any point in the last 25 years), to bring an interesting perspective and perhaps you, me, and others would come out of it more informed.
dkp993
Footballguy
All of that came after you called my option hand wringing. You became dismissive and I gave it back.
Either way, nothing is more boring than people on the internet arguing over who was more rude. So I’m officially tapping out.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yeah, wouldn't want to focus on the absurdity of the original point or all the facts aligned against it would we lolAll of that came after you called my option hand wringing. You became dismissive and I gave it back.
Either way, nothing is more boring than people on the internet arguing over who was more rude. So I’m officially tapping out.
I'm sorry you interpreted my original comment as rude. That was not my intent. My intent was to point out the lack of foundation to the original point. Hope you're feeling better this morning.
3C's
Footballguy
Dodgers still making history.
www.baseballamerica.com
Dodgers Land Joseph Deng, First Player Ever Signed From South Sudan
Joseph Deng already has a big fastball for his age, reaching 95 mph at 6-foot-7, 185 pounds.
www.baseballamerica.com
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Now Dodgers sign Tanner Scott
dkp993
Footballguy
Ah, being a condescending jerk is your default status. Cool. Save your “apologies” they aren’t needed.Yeah, wouldn't want to focus on the absurdity of the original point or all the facts aligned against it would we lolAll of that came after you called my option hand wringing. You became dismissive and I gave it back.
Either way, nothing is more boring than people on the internet arguing over who was more rude. So I’m officially tapping out.
I'm sorry you interpreted my original comment as rude. That was not my intent. My intent was to point out the lack of foundation to the original point. Hope you're feeling better this morning.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'm really frustrated by this response (although I thought you tapped out so idk).Ah, being a condescending jerk is your default status. Cool. Save your “apologies” they aren’t needed.Yeah, wouldn't want to focus on the absurdity of the original point or all the facts aligned against it would we lolAll of that came after you called my option hand wringing. You became dismissive and I gave it back.
Either way, nothing is more boring than people on the internet arguing over who was more rude. So I’m officially tapping out.
I'm sorry you interpreted my original comment as rude. That was not my intent. My intent was to point out the lack of foundation to the original point. Hope you're feeling better this morning.
I truly am sorry you feel condescended to. That was not my intent, as stated above. Pointing out that I hurt your feelings might have helped me understand that sooner and try to salve the wound caused. FWIW, I don't think being mean and attacking me personally meets the standard of behavior I've grown used to in my nearly 20 years here regardless of whether you felt attacked or not.
I therefore assumed you must not be feeling well, or otherwise were having a rough evening, and perhaps that was why you lashed out. I genuinely hope you are having a better day today, even if yesterday was wonderful.
If you ever want to have an honest discussion of whether this much ballyhooed deferred spending is affecting MLB adversely, I'm always happy to engage. Even though I no longer work at MLB, I do take a particular interest in these kinds of things still, and I think I tend to bring a pretty cool insight to outsiders.
3C's
Footballguy
And some people will still try to put an * bedside it.
Eephus
Footballguy
Only if we have another 60 game season.
It would be an incredible accomplishment to win four of the next six World Series. Baseball is arguably the most random of the four big North American sports and that's magnified over the small sample size of three playoff series. The Dodgers are obviously well positioned to continue their streak of playoff appearances but strange things can happen in October. Just ask Clayton Kershaw.
Eephus
Footballguy
Dodgers just added the nation of Japan as a minor league affiliate
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Which teams can’t afford it?
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