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Having trouble w the country club so will do it from my computer tomorrow.

Just some tips - the putting in this game is really tough (chipping is hard to get the hang of too).

It's not a Tiger Woods golf game where you can pump up "turbo" and drive the ball 380 yards. You'll need patience. Most of your drives will be 240 yards and you'll need to learn to hit irons.

Eventually you will want to upgrade your equipment, but you should be hooked on the game enough by then to justify spending a few bucks

 
There was someone in this thread that was going to go see my guy Stu for lessons. I deleted our messages, if you ever made it out there, please shoot me a note with how it went.

Philly area guys should go see him at least once. He'll fix what ails you in an hour. As I said before, he's not just a former pro golfer sloughing around at a course as a "club pro". Some of those guys are great at golf, but terrible teachers. Stu is great at golf and a superlative teacher. He can pare the thoughts in your mind down to only thinking about 1 or 2 things on each swing. I was amazed at where my game was when I stopped the lessons last year. No BS - PM me if you need details.

(I don't get any refferal bonus or free lessons or anything of the sort here)
I think I might have messaged you about this as well. I have 2 30 minute sessions with him I still have not used. Really could not have come at a better time as I am having a huge issue with my driver and not clearing my hands on my downswing.

I am also a huge fan of the wgt app so whenever you get the country club started I'm in.

 
There was someone in this thread that was going to go see my guy Stu for lessons. I deleted our messages, if you ever made it out there, please shoot me a note with how it went.

Philly area guys should go see him at least once. He'll fix what ails you in an hour. As I said before, he's not just a former pro golfer sloughing around at a course as a "club pro". Some of those guys are great at golf, but terrible teachers. Stu is great at golf and a superlative teacher. He can pare the thoughts in your mind down to only thinking about 1 or 2 things on each swing. I was amazed at where my game was when I stopped the lessons last year. No BS - PM me if you need details.

(I don't get any refferal bonus or free lessons or anything of the sort here)
I think I might have messaged you about this as well. I have 2 30 minute sessions with him I still have not used. Really could not have come at a better time as I am having a huge issue with my driver and not clearing my hands on my downswing.

I am also a huge fan of the wgt app so whenever you get the country club started I'm in.
Yep

That was you

They are open. I was there today. His clinics start next week as well and they are always very good.

 
Having trouble w the country club so will do it from my computer tomorrow.

Just some tips - the putting in this game is really tough (chipping is hard to get the hang of too).

It's not a Tiger Woods golf game where you can pump up "turbo" and drive the ball 380 yards. You'll need patience. Most of your drives will be 240 yards and you'll need to learn to hit irons.

Eventually you will want to upgrade your equipment, but you should be hooked on the game enough by then to justify spending a few bucks
Played one round on the opening course (-1) and one on St. Andrews (+2). Something like level 9 after two rounds.Putting is rough although they do offer many gimmies. Haven't had to chip much but that is rough as well. Haven't upgraded any equipment so those scores are with basic equipment. I've unlocked a lot but I didn't research any of it.

MarioKartFBG = my golfers name

65 at Congressional. Beginning equipment and I now have 400 coin things. Level 14.

 
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Been considering putting some money into new irons, but really second guessing myself. I bought a used set of Ping Zing 2s five years ago. They were made back in the early 90s, so they're at least 20 years old now. I'm 6'2" and the clubs are +1s. Not sure if they are actually long enough for me. I wasn't fitted at the time.

The thing that bothers me the most is the notion that newer clubs are going to hit the ball farther, but what I'm finding out is that the companies have just changed the lofts.

My Ping Zing 2s. I have 3 through SW in my bag.

Iron - Loft

3 - 20.5

4 - 24

5 - 27

6 - 30.5

7 - 34.5

8 - 38.5

9 - 42.5

PW - 47

SW - 52

TaylorMade Rocketballz from 2013

Iron - Loft

3 - 17.5

4 - 20

5 - 23

6 - 26.5

7 - 30.5

8 - 35

9 - 40

PW - 45

GW - 50

SW - 55

This is where I'm finding the loft information. There are probably lots of other sites that give the same information.

WTF? Do they think we're that dumb? Of course the balls go farther. They just changed the angles of the club faces. What a joke. Gap wedge? Sure, they need it to replace the missing club from before.

Also, I get to play rounds with lots of older retired guys in the early weekday mornings of the summer. Lots of them comment that they used to have the Ping Zing irons and loved them. Wished they had never gotten rid of them. Quite honestly I don't know how "forgiving" my clubs are. Perhaps this is where the newer clubs are an improvement? I'm starting this year at a 14 handicap, but I know already that that's a bit high. I've shot my handicap or better twice in the past few weeks. I haven't broken 80 yet, but I expect it to happen sometime this summer when we dry out a bit up here in the northwest.

Any advice? Do I throw some money at getting fit?
Wow, are you me? Same height, index, clubs, and dilemma.I enjoy my pings but they are 20 years old. However, I can't really see how a new set of irons will really benefit me for the cost. I guess they would just be more forgiving? I don't really have a lot of miss hits and I really don't need or care to add distance to my iron game.

I've been eyeballing a new set of Ping irons but I just don't know if it is worth the cost.
If you're a low handicapper, i think its definitely worth it. Getting the shaft length, grip size and lie angle matched to you allows you to make centerface contact more often. You end up being more consistent.

 
GoL said:
Shot a typical 83 today

48 on the front, 35 on the back.

Don't understand why I skull every wedge early and can't make a putt til I don't give a ####.

To b honest I've done the reverse also but that makes more sense to me.

Never shot 35-35
You can, and will. Just have to not care

 
Hips feel great! I feel like I'm 20 years younger. Went out and swung a club on Saturday and it was amazing how much mobility I regained.

 
My dad shot his age last week...

Code:
Par   4	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 5 4	4 4 5 3	4 72Score 3	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 4 4	5 4 5 3	3 70     -1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-1-1-1-1-2
15 foot birdie on 18 to seal the deal after coming out of a fairway trap.
 
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My dad shot his age last week...

Code:
Par   4	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 5 4	4 4 5 3	4 72Score 3	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 4 4	5 4 5 3	3 70     -1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-1-1-1-1-2
15 foot birdie on 18 to seal the deal after coming out of a fairway trap.
Awesome! :thumbup:
 
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?

 
My dad shot his age last week...

Code:
Par   4	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 5 4	4 4 5 3	4 72Score 3	4 3 5 3	4 4 4 5	3 4 4 4	5 4 5 3	3 70     -1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-1-1-1-1-2
15 foot birdie on 18 to seal the deal after coming out of a fairway trap.
nice
 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.
Sounds like you want to give them the drop on the deal here.

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.
Sounds like you want to give them the drop on the deal here.
Haha....no, I'm just curious. Depending how long the domain has been expired, they still have rights after a certain period of time.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.
Sounds like you want to give them the drop on the deal here.
Haha....no, I'm just curious. Depending how long the domain has been expired, they still have rights after a certain period of time.
:lol:

Broad Run outside of Philly. Best course around IMO. Probably will get a membership this year either way.

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Strengthen your grip (turn your left wrist so your left thumb is almost facing behind you - mess with this until you find the grip that corrects the slice)

Make sure on your finishing with the club up and behind your head as opposed to out and over the ball

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Is that a deal for them? If not, you'll be paied with the Havercamps on a regular basis.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Is that a deal for them? If not, you'll be paied with the Havercamps on a regular basis.
That's my only concern really. I'll be walking around known as the ######## who bought up their domain.

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Strenghen your left hand grip, move ball position more off your left toe, make sure arms and shaft form fairly straight line to ball, then swing away. Should be able to draw it. If not, remember ti let your wrists roll over at impact. Many people fight the wrists rolling over, which always creates cut spin. Feel like your wrists are loose and let them roll

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Strenghen your left hand grip, move ball position more off your left toe, make sure arms and shaft form fairly straight line to ball, then swing away. Should be able to draw it. If not, remember ti let your wrists roll over at impact. Many people fight the wrists rolling over, which always creates cut spin. Feel like your wrists are loose and let them roll
When you say off left toe you mean towards middle I assume? How far from toe normally?

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Tuck your right shirt sleeve up into your armpit. Don't let it fall.
I like it, will try it. Was also trying not to break left wrist.......it straightened out but felt like my backswing was real short?
You were probably taking the club too far back before if that feels short. That's where a lot of people lose control, leading to the over the top slice/pull. The shirt sleeve thing shouldn't inhibit your backswing, though it will probably feel more compact. That's usually a positive if youre struggling with control on full swing shots.

 
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Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Strenghen your left hand grip, move ball position more off your left toe, make sure arms and shaft form fairly straight line to ball, then swing away. Should be able to draw it. If not, remember ti let your wrists roll over at impact. Many people fight the wrists rolling over, which always creates cut spin. Feel like your wrists are loose and let them roll
When you say off left toe you mean towards middle I assume? How far from toe normally?
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2012-11/insl01_ernie_els_sequence.jpg
 
Spring break for me this week. Getting to play 18 every day. :thumbup:

Two things:

1. Really enjoying playing with strangers. Of course I was timid at first, but have yet to have a bad experience. Been great to meet interesting people/couples.

2. Took notice that a guy I played with was awesome chipping the ball. Put everything within a few feet of the pin. He told me he used to have the same type of Ping sand wedge that I use to chip with and he struggled to be consistent with it. He went to the Vokey wedges and it made a big difference in his game. He let me use it a few times as we were waiting on every hole and took the time to hit a few more chips (no one behind us). The club (think it was 54 or 56 degrees) felt very HEAVY by comparison. When I rotated at the shoulders and took the club back it sort of felt like it just swung itself. Seemed it was easy to be fluid and smooth with the heavier club head. It would just fall on its own the heavier head would cut through any grass on its own. Anyone else have a similar experience?

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
There have already been some good suggestions in here. Use the 3W. Slow down. Strengthen your grip, etc. Odds are you don't have a consistent swing, so its tough to know what's going on even if you post a video. What happens from one swing to the next can vary a lot for players that are just getting started (assuming this if you are still fighting the big slice).

Knowing what causes the slice helped me learn to adjust. Its either...

1. an open club face or

2. the path that the club head is taking as you come through the ball. Its sort of nuts how the path puts the opposite spin on the ball. Trying to pull it left makes it go right.

Here's my story...

I messed around with strengthening my grip when I first got started, but eventually realized that this was trying to correct a flaw with another flaw. There are lots of guys that find success with this, but it didn't seem like the right thing to do for me. I forced myself to keep a neutral grip and spend a lot of time working on my takeaway and swing plane.

My major problem was with my wrists at the top of the swing. The big fix was getting to the top with a flat left wrist (I'm right handed). I naturally cupped my left wrist at the top making it really tough to get the club face back to square when I came back down and through. Also, I tended to try and kill it. Getting smooth through the ball has helped me find a lot more fairways. I know it runs counter to what we expect to happen, but I'm hitting the ball just as far too. The power doesn't come from using the arms as much as it does from getting a full turn away from the ball forcing your torso muscles to hit the ball.

My keys now with the driver are (1) keeping the right elbow in tight all the way back and forward (2) cupping my right wrist back like I'm holding a serving tray when I'm at the top (3) getting through the ball hitting out smooth. Its sort of cool to me that these are my keys with all my full swings now. Love getting the high draw now and I'm just getting brave enough to aim down the right side feeling confident that the ball will be coming back to the fairway

Best of luck. Let us now what's working and not working for you.

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
Most of the time, a slice is caused be either coming across the ball too much (right to left) or not keeping your shoulders square upon impact, which causes you to dip/drop your back shoulder...which in turn can cause the ball to slice.

The main thing I would say without seeing you swing, is to keep your head behind the ball through impact, as well as trying to keep your knees bent a little and shoulders square through impact. Easier said than done, but something to try out at the range.

 
Hitting driver always slices right......give me your best tip.

Working on swing plain to stop swinging down on it.
There have already been some good suggestions in here. Use the 3W. Slow down. Strengthen your grip, etc. Odds are you don't have a consistent swing, so its tough to know what's going on even if you post a video. What happens from one swing to the next can vary a lot for players that are just getting started (assuming this if you are still fighting the big slice).

Knowing what causes the slice helped me learn to adjust. Its either...

1. an open club face or

2. the path that the club head is taking as you come through the ball. Its sort of nuts how the path puts the opposite spin on the ball. Trying to pull it left makes it go right.

Here's my story...

I messed around with strengthening my grip when I first got started, but eventually realized that this was trying to correct a flaw with another flaw. There are lots of guys that find success with this, but it didn't seem like the right thing to do for me. I forced myself to keep a neutral grip and spend a lot of time working on my takeaway and swing plane.

My major problem was with my wrists at the top of the swing. The big fix was getting to the top with a flat left wrist (I'm right handed). I naturally cupped my left wrist at the top making it really tough to get the club face back to square when I came back down and through. Also, I tended to try and kill it. Getting smooth through the ball has helped me find a lot more fairways. I know it runs counter to what we expect to happen, but I'm hitting the ball just as far too. The power doesn't come from using the arms as much as it does from getting a full turn away from the ball forcing your torso muscles to hit the ball.

My keys now with the driver are (1) keeping the right elbow in tight all the way back and forward (2) cupping my right wrist back like I'm holding a serving tray when I'm at the top (3) getting through the ball hitting out smooth. Its sort of cool to me that these are my keys with all my full swings now. Love getting the high draw now and I'm just getting brave enough to aim down the right side feeling confident that the ball will be coming back to the fairway

Best of luck. Let us now what's working and not working for you.
Pretty good stuff. Although I don't think strengthening your grip is a flaw.

I'm a big dude. Doing something simple like turning my left wrist over a half inch in rotation is far easier than adjusting something in my backswing which is already limited due to less flexibility than the skinny guys out there.

In my experience, very rarely do newer golfers have a problem with hooking the ball, it's almost always a slice issue (90%) of the time. Also, IMO, fixing in a hook is FAR simpler than fixing a slice. If strengthening the grip without tooling around with 6 other swing mechanics will fix what ails you, I'm a big fan of that.

We do way too much thinking as golfers. Way too much thinking pre-swing, during swing, and even after contact. Once I learned to strip that all away, my game improved like it never has before. If literally the only thing I have to remember is to strengthen my grip, then I'm a big fan of that for a new golfer as well.

I focus on 2 key points in my set up and just swing. 1. grip, 2. I tilt my head back as if I'm trying to look under the ball which in turns helps me remember my weight distribution.

And now...I just swing and the ball goes straight (and far actually - being a big guy has advantages if you know how to swing correctly - it doesn't take much for me to get into one). I've reduced my thinking during swing to zero. After contact, I do have to be conscious I'm bringing my arms up into my chest (which also helped correct my slice).

Funny thing is, you'll get 50 different answers on how to "fix" slicing. I think the best answer is to pare down the amount of things you have to remember during a swing.

ETA: This goes for driver only for me. Oddly, it's my best club. It's my irons I need all the help with :)

ETA: If you start trying to remember ALL the feedback given here before you get to the golf course and then when on the golf course, you're going to be even a bigger mess than before.

 
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Although I don't think strengthening your grip is a flaw.
You're right here. My calling it a "flaw" isn't right. I think the key for me was working on finding a swing that was the same regardless of which club I have in my hands. And that's just me. I love that people can find whatever they personally call success in different ways.

 
Coming across the ball I think has been the issue. I even tried where you place the # on ball at 4 o'clock and aim there but didn't work.

Great input here guys, hope to hit range in next few days to see what works. I'm a big dude as well that's not too flexible so when I keep left arm straight going back it feels like no backswing but I think I need to block that out and stick to it.

 
Coming across the ball I think has been the issue.
Could be many factors. I work with a lot of high school girls/boys on the range everyday after school. I coach our JV girls team. With the boys the biggest issue is trying to demolish the ball with the driver. More than anything else I see them attempting to crush the ball causes them to lean back on their back foot and not get their weight forward. If the weight is back its nearly impossible to hit out. The only way to get out through the ball is if your weight shifts forward. After you make contact is the club head outside the target line? I'm guessing no.

If you're into understanding the technical aspects of why the balls spins and slices this video does a decent job of demonstrating where the spins comes from. Its tough for people to understand that a square club face will still slice if your path isn't out through the ball.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.
Sounds like you want to give them the drop on the deal here.
Haha....no, I'm just curious. Depending how long the domain has been expired, they still have rights after a certain period of time.
:lol:

Broad Run outside of Philly. Best course around IMO. Probably will get a membership this year either way.
broadrungc.com has been working fine. I was hoping it would be warm today or tommorow while winter rates were still in effect.

 
John Bender said:
My favorite local golf course had its domain expire today and they forgot to renew it.

I'm thinking of purchasing it and selling it back to them for a membership this year.

Legal?
Which course? My company is involved in providing websites and other technologies to golf courses. Just curious.
Sounds like you want to give them the drop on the deal here.
Haha....no, I'm just curious. Depending how long the domain has been expired, they still have rights after a certain period of time.
:lol: Broad Run outside of Philly. Best course around IMO. Probably will get a membership this year either way.
broadrungc.com has been working fine. I was hoping it would be warm today or tommorow while winter rates were still in effect.
Website redirected to godaddy all day yesterday.

 
Having trouble w the country club so will do it from my computer tomorrow.

Just some tips - the putting in this game is really tough (chipping is hard to get the hang of too).

It's not a Tiger Woods golf game where you can pump up "turbo" and drive the ball 380 yards. You'll need patience. Most of your drives will be 240 yards and you'll need to learn to hit irons.

Eventually you will want to upgrade your equipment, but you should be hooked on the game enough by then to justify spending a few bucks
Played one round on the opening course (-1) and one on St. Andrews (+2). Something like level 9 after two rounds.Putting is rough although they do offer many gimmies. Haven't had to chip much but that is rough as well. Haven't upgraded any equipment so those scores are with basic equipment. I've unlocked a lot but I didn't research any of it.

MarioKartFBG = my golfers name

65 at Congressional. Beginning equipment and I now have 400 coin things. Level 14.
I'm at a huge stall in the game. I'm at level 26 now with 650 coins but those don't add up to a new set of clubs or anything like that. The only way to get coins is to increase your career standing... I'm at a Pro right now... but my distance is surely lacking to move up. I can't do tournaments that cost coins because everyone is level 100 in those. So, I trudge along.

 
Coming across the ball I think has been the issue. I even tried where you place the # on ball at 4 o'clock and aim there but didn't work.

Great input here guys, hope to hit range in next few days to see what works. I'm a big dude as well that's not too flexible so when I keep left arm straight going back it feels like no backswing but I think I need to block that out and stick to it.
there's two things you need to know:

does your ball start to the right of your target and then go more right>? this is a push (swinging out) and a slice (open clubface at contact) the PUSH is caused by either swinging too far inside to out, or getting your hands stuck behind your body as you slide onto your left hip (sliding) you can fix the push by not sliding and trying to swing more around your body to the left side, more "rotary" turning.

if your ball starts to the left of your target and then goes back to the right, welcome to the PGA tour. This is the same shot that helped Tiger and Jack to win 30 majors.

 
Spent 2 hours with Stu today and still can't get my irons fixed.

In 14 years of golfing, I've never felt comfortable swinging my irons. I don't feel comfortable in the set up, the take way, the shot itself or the finish. It's always just felt awkward and loose.

We've tinkered with my grip. Switched from interlock to overlap. Envisioned toeing the ball so I make solid contact instead of heeling it which is natural for me. Taking a divot, not taking a divot. As soon as I take the club back, I start to feel the swing coming unraveled.

Maybe I need xanax and beer. I haven't figured out how to reduce my thinking to "zero" on my iron shots.

Frustrating stuff. Not to be self centered (not to mention like everyone else who thinks they are the best driver of the ball ever), but I have one of the better drives of any group I've ever gone out with and my coach affirms it's one of the nicest swings he's seen from a student. It's long and it's straight. I chip just fine, I putt well. But these f'in irons are making me want to quit golf.

I hit 150 balls today with my 8 irons. I'd say 30 of them were solid contacts, with a coach standing there with me.

These are custom fitted brand new clubs.

I guess back out to the range for another 150 tomorrow, and the next day and the next day.

Anyone got a link to a video or an article surrounding the psychological side of things when it comes to a golf swing? I'm starting to think that might help.

Thanks

 
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Went out today and focused on keeping the front arm straight and not breaking the wrist and had a couple good ones but towards the end had some that stayed low and to the left and took a sharp dip down. Man this is a frustrating sport.

 

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