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Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?
Or not slide feet first.
 
The Toronto coaching staff has been getting criticized for over-aggressiveness earlier in the series but now they're being blamed for under-aggressiveness on IKF's lead at third.

I assume they're trying to stay out of a double play on a line out but with a left handed hitter at the plate, he could have extended a couple of feet.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

Wow. That is a horrible lead.
I didn't realize that he was that close and I was surprised he was thrown out because IKF is fairly fast.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.

The player gave an interview where he put this squarely on the coaching staff - said he was told to keep it tight to avoid getting doubled on a hard infield line drive. It must be surreal for him and his coaches to look back and realize the extent of their collective blunder on this play. The number of improbable events that all had to come through in the 9th inning alone is uncanny. Fantastic series.
 
Amazing end to the season! What a game... what a series.

Kudos to the Blue Jays. Aside from Vladdy and Bichette (edit: oh, and I guess Springer), everyone else on the team I really hadn't heard much of. I'm a casual baseball fan that is in a fantasy baseball league but really had no clue how cohesive this Blue Jay team was.

I have a lot of Dodger fan friends seeing that I'm from the LA area so I'm happy for them. Dodgers really are a juggernaut.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.

The player gave an interview where he put this squarely on the coaching staff - said he was told to keep it tight to avoid getting doubled on a hard infield line drive. It must be surreal for him and his coaches to look back and realize the extent of their collective blunder on this play. The number of improbable events that all had to come through in the 9th inning alone is uncanny. Fantastic series.
Even with being cautious not to get doubled up on a line drive you can still extend and read off the bat. Rule of thumb in that situation is step back (and keep going) until line drive is thru the infield. No reason to get that good a jump on a line drive that might be caught. It's the runner's job (and he is a major leaguer after all) to be able to still get off as far as the 3B-man and read the ball off the bat to get a proper lead. That excuse is BS.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.

The player gave an interview where he put this squarely on the coaching staff - said he was told to keep it tight to avoid getting doubled on a hard infield line drive. It must be surreal for him and his coaches to look back and realize the extent of their collective blunder on this play. The number of improbable events that all had to come through in the 9th inning alone is uncanny. Fantastic series.
Even with being cautious not to get doubled up on a line drive you can still extend and read off the bat. Rule of thumb in that situation is step back (and keep going) until line drive is thru the infield. No reason to get that good a jump on a line drive that might be caught. It's the runner's job (and he is a major leaguer after all) to be able to still get off as far as the 3B-man and read the ball off the bat to get a proper lead. That excuse is BS.
Probably an overreaction to the game ending double play in game 6.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.

The player gave an interview where he put this squarely on the coaching staff - said he was told to keep it tight to avoid getting doubled on a hard infield line drive. It must be surreal for him and his coaches to look back and realize the extent of their collective blunder on this play. The number of improbable events that all had to come through in the 9th inning alone is uncanny. Fantastic series.
Even with being cautious not to get doubled up on a line drive you can still extend and read off the bat. Rule of thumb in that situation is step back (and keep going) until line drive is thru the infield. No reason to get that good a jump on a line drive that might be caught. It's the runner's job (and he is a major leaguer after all) to be able to still get off as far as the 3B-man and read the ball off the bat to get a proper lead. That excuse is BS.
Probably an overreaction to the game ending double play in game 6.
Maybe but those are two completely different baserunning situations. They should not be handled the same way. Unfortunate for Toronto they handled both incorrectly and it likely cost them a World Series win.
 
Somewhat lost in that play at the plate in the bottom of the ninth last night was what a terrible lead and jump the Toronto pinch runner had on contact. Any normal lead off and he scores and wins the WS.
The second picture in this post shows how close he was to third when the pitch was away.

What the hell is he doing?

Reading "he was afraid of getting doubled off on a line drive to third base"
Sure but you usually mirror the 3b distance
Not to mention Varsho is a left handed pull hitter very unlikely to hit a line drive to 3B especially when his goal is to hit a fly ball and elevate something.
This stuff blows my mind. Two really dumb mistakes cost him something he will likely never get a chance at again. And all his teammates. From a pinch-runner to boot???

The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

3 mistakes actually. What the heck was the 3rd base coach thinking? This was the fourth pitch in the sequence. Like, how did he not notice and tell the guy? Hell, no one in the dugout either? You have like 15 coaches and not one picked up on the winning runner not getting a lead. Bizarre.

The player gave an interview where he put this squarely on the coaching staff - said he was told to keep it tight to avoid getting doubled on a hard infield line drive. It must be surreal for him and his coaches to look back and realize the extent of their collective blunder on this play. The number of improbable events that all had to come through in the 9th inning alone is uncanny. Fantastic series.
Even with being cautious not to get doubled up on a line drive you can still extend and read off the bat. Rule of thumb in that situation is step back (and keep going) until line drive is thru the infield. No reason to get that good a jump on a line drive that might be caught. It's the runner's job (and he is a major leaguer after all) to be able to still get off as far as the 3B-man and read the ball off the bat to get a proper lead. That excuse is BS.
I agree completely. If the coaches tell you to be aware of the line drive double play, that doesn't mean to sit on the bag. Take what the 3rd base gives you and just freeze on a line drive. It's bizarre to see that at this level.
 
The secondary lead and/or simply running through home. And he forgets both?! That is stuff you learn in little league.

Why are we questioning this so much? Guys slide into home for plays at the plate all the time.
For starters, they could've won the World Series by executing a very basic option better. Why shouldn't that be questioned?

Is your argument that since it's often done incorrectly (dumb), it should not be questioned?
 
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Interrupting the dissection of game 7 for a couple of the interesting 2026 items

The Braves buck the new school managerial trend by promoting bench coach Walt Weiss, who previously managed the Rockies with no great success.

The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
 
Yu Darvish to miss next season following elbow surgery.

The Padres rotation is in a shambles right now. There's just Nick Pivetta. Joe Musgrove hasn't pitched for a year. Cease and Michael King are free agents. The prospects cupboard has pretty much been cleared out.

A.J. Preller is always an aggressive hot stove leaguer but he'll really need to be this time.
 
The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
A qualifying offer seems to be the logical next move. That's 22 million for 2026.

The Cubs seemed uncertain whether Imanaga's struggles are a correctable issue or if he has plateaued.

If Imanaga accepts the QO, the team can spend the year figuring it out. If the issue is fixed then the Cubs can work out a long-term deal. If not, they can cut him loose.
 
The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
A qualifying offer seems to be the logical next move. That's 22 million for 2026.

The Cubs seemed uncertain whether Imanaga's struggles are a correctable issue or if he has plateaued.

If Imanaga accepts the QO, the team can spend the year figuring it out. If the issue is fixed then the Cubs can work out a long-term deal. If not, they can cut him loose.

I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.

There are some definite yellow flags in his second half performance but everybody needs starting pitching.
 
The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
A qualifying offer seems to be the logical next move. That's 22 million for 2026.

The Cubs seemed uncertain whether Imanaga's struggles are a correctable issue or if he has plateaued.

If Imanaga accepts the QO, the team can spend the year figuring it out. If the issue is fixed then the Cubs can work out a long-term deal. If not, they can cut him loose.

I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.

There are some definite yellow flags in his second half performance but everybody needs starting pitching.
Padres and Giants seem like good candidates to pay him.
 
The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
A qualifying offer seems to be the logical next move. That's 22 million for 2026.

The Cubs seemed uncertain whether Imanaga's struggles are a correctable issue or if he has plateaued.

If Imanaga accepts the QO, the team can spend the year figuring it out. If the issue is fixed then the Cubs can work out a long-term deal. If not, they can cut him loose.

I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.

There are some definite yellow flags in his second half performance but everybody needs starting pitching.
Padres and Giants seem like good candidates to pay him.

Eithers' home ballparks would be more forgiving of his flyball tendencies
 
I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.
A Cubs writer suggested that the team is more interested in getting a compensation draft pick from the team that signs Imanaga than they are with him accepting the QO.

I guess that shows what the Cubs feel about him.
 
I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.
A Cubs writer suggested that the team is more interested in getting a compensation draft pick from the team that signs Imanaga than they are with him accepting the QO.

I guess that shows what the Cubs feel about him.

The value of a Competitive Balance B round pick is a little over $1M
 
I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.
A Cubs writer suggested that the team is more interested in getting a compensation draft pick from the team that signs Imanaga than they are with him accepting the QO.

I guess that shows what the Cubs feel about him.
I think the Cubs have the pitching depth to let him go. Cubs fan here, I could be on board with bringing him back if it wasn't a ridiculous amount of coin.
 
I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.
A Cubs writer suggested that the team is more interested in getting a compensation draft pick from the team that signs Imanaga than they are with him accepting the QO.

I guess that shows what the Cubs feel about him.
I think the Cubs have the pitching depth to let him go. Cubs fan here, I could be on board with bringing him back if it wasn't a ridiculous amount of coin.

Nobody has enough pitching depth in this day and age, especially the Cubs who were throwing bullpen games in the playoffs.

Cubs have Horton who seems like a big regression risk and Boyd and Taillon who are both old. The club holds a reasonable option on Colin Rea but he's old too. Post-TJ Justin Steele isn't a sure thing and there's no immediate rotation help in Iowa.
 
Cubs have Horton who seems like a big regression risk and Boyd and Taillon who are both old. The club holds a reasonable option on Colin Rea but he's old too. Post-TJ Justin Steele isn't a sure thing and there's no immediate rotation help in Iowa.
Assad will be at full strength next season.

I still have faith in Ben Brown--if he can develop a third pitch in even a mediocre way, he can become a solid #3.
 
Yu Darvish to miss next season following elbow surgery.

The Padres rotation is in a shambles right now. There's just Nick Pivetta. Joe Musgrove hasn't pitched for a year. Cease and Michael King are free agents. The prospects cupboard has pretty much been cleared out.

A.J. Preller is always an aggressive hot stove leaguer but he'll really need to be this time.
Maybe they're serious about giving Mason Miller a shot in the rotation.
 
The Cubs decided not to extend LHP Shota Imanaga making him a free agent. He had problems with the long ball but has been an above average starter since coming over from Japan in 2024.
A qualifying offer seems to be the logical next move. That's 22 million for 2026.

The Cubs seemed uncertain whether Imanaga's struggles are a correctable issue or if he has plateaued.

If Imanaga accepts the QO, the team can spend the year figuring it out. If the issue is fixed then the Cubs can work out a long-term deal. If not, they can cut him loose.

I don't see Imanaga taking the QO. He's 32 years old and this could be his last chance to cash in a long-term deal.

There are some definite yellow flags in his second half performance but everybody needs starting pitching.
Padres and Giants seem like good candidates to pay him.

Eithers' home ballparks would be more forgiving of his flyball tendencies
The drop off in strike out rate would keep me from throwing serious money at him.
 
Yu Darvish to miss next season following elbow surgery.

The Padres rotation is in a shambles right now. There's just Nick Pivetta. Joe Musgrove hasn't pitched for a year. Cease and Michael King are free agents. The prospects cupboard has pretty much been cleared out.

A.J. Preller is always an aggressive hot stove leaguer but he'll really need to be this time.
Maybe they're serious about giving Mason Miller a shot in the rotation.

It's worth a shot I guess but then they'd have a hole in the bullpen because Robert Suarez opted out.
 
Bieber really must have enjoyed his time in Toronto. I didn't expect him to exercise his option. Surely he would have gotten more elsewhere. Maybe just betting on himself to show he's back and can sign a much larger contract next year. Great start to the offseason for the Jays, regardless.
 
Bieber really must have enjoyed his time in Toronto. I didn't expect him to exercise his option. Surely he would have gotten more elsewhere. Maybe just betting on himself to show he's back and can sign a much larger contract next year. Great start to the offseason for the Jays, regardless.
Sorry to see Biebs pick up his option. Was hoping the Red Sox targeted him.
 
Not a surprise, but Dodgers are picking up Max Muncy’s $10m option for next year. They’re going to have a 40-man roster crunch this offseason and will need to make some room for everyone.

ETA - also picking up Alex Vesia’s option for $3.5m too.
 
Not a surprise, but Dodgers are picking up Max Muncy’s $10m option for next year. They’re going to have a 40-man roster crunch this offseason and will need to make some room for everyone.

ETA - also picking up Alex Vesia’s option for $3.5m too.
I don't really see this. They have room for Stone, Phillips, Gonsolin, and Rivers to come back.

Not a lot of need for moves. Another outfielder, a utility guy and some bullpen help would be nice.
 
The Rockies hire Paul DePodesta to run their front office. How much do you have to nail the job interview when your current position is Chief Strategy Officer for the Cleveland Browns?

I hadn't seen much of Jonah Hill these days. (In all seriousness; I hope Jonah Hill is okay.)
 
Not a surprise, but Dodgers are picking up Max Muncy’s $10m option for next year. They’re going to have a 40-man roster crunch this offseason and will need to make some room for everyone.

ETA - also picking up Alex Vesia’s option for $3.5m too.
I don't really see this. They have room for Stone, Phillips, Gonsolin, and Rivers to come back.

Not a lot of need for moves. Another outfielder, a utility guy and some bullpen help would be nice.
Gonsolin DFA'd. Grove and Dean waived. Dodgers add Ryan Ward and Robinson Ortiz (who?) to their 40-man roster
 
Munetaka Murakami posted today and his 45 day negotiating window starts tomorrow . Originally I thought it was a slam dunk that he would end up on the Dodgers but with Muncy back and Freeman I don’t think that’s the case. Still wouldn’t shock me
 
Not a surprise, but Dodgers are picking up Max Muncy’s $10m option for next year. They’re going to have a 40-man roster crunch this offseason and will need to make some room for everyone.

ETA - also picking up Alex Vesia’s option for $3.5m too.
Glad they're picking up Alex; sad that he missed the series and for what he's going through.

Gut wrenching.
 
Andy Pages swinging at just about anything helps expose gambling ring. LOL. Gamblers lost $8,000 live betting when Emmanuel Clase was supposed to purposely throw a ball...and did. A nearly unhittable pitch down and outside. Pages swung anyway, so it was a strike.
 

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