Official: Arian Foster haters LOSE (1 Viewer)

[plyka]

I think we can officially claim that the Arian Foster haters over the preseason were DEAD WRONG and i do mean DEAD WRONG. Why? The Chris Johnson owner in my league just offered me Chris Johnson for my 37th overall pick, Arian Foster. If Foster's value is as high as CJ, then clearly all the Arian hypers were right! But 1 man in my league is hardly conclusive. So I decided to have a poll and see what the sharkpool believe.

Who would you rather have for the rest of the season in a non-ppr redraft league, Arian Foster or Chris Johnson. Don't be shy, please vote. And be honest, don't vote for Arian because you own him or CJ because you own him. Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

 

[jafo]

Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

Finley.

 

[Cassius]

CJ.

 

[ttea]

Um, I don't see what Chris Johnson has to do with Arian Fosters success.

But anyways, 4 weeks of Arian Fosters success doesn't mean he's better or should be drafted ahead of Chris Johnson.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think we can officially claim that the Arian Foster haters over the preseason were DEAD WRONG and i do mean DEAD WRONG. Why? The Chris Johnson owner in my league just offered me Chris Johnson for my 37th overall pick, Arian Foster. If Foster's value is as high as CJ, then clearly all the Arian hypers were right! But 1 man in my league is hardly conclusive. So I decided to have a poll and see what the sharkpool believe.Who would you rather have for the rest of the season in a non-ppr redraft league, Arian Foster or Chris Johnson. Don't be shy, please vote. And be honest, don't vote for Arian because you own him or CJ because you own him. Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

I'd put Arian Foster as my No.3 back right now behind CJ and ADP. Arian Foster could possibly finish 1,2, or 3, he's good enough but I wouldn't rank him their now because he hasn't done it for a full season before, where CJ and ADP has. If those two were off the board, knowing that he hasn't done it for a season wouldn't keep me from taking him over the rest of the Rb's in the league.

 

[HellToupee]

 

[Bad_Mo]

rookie wall looks something like this...

 

[ChuckLiddell]

rookie wall looks something like this...

Good thing he is not a rookie.CJ, but I had to ponder it for a few minutes. Sample size is definitely too small on Foster to take him over a guy who had 2K last year.

 

[Bad_Mo]

rookie wall looks something like this...

Good thing he is not a rookie.CJ, but I had to ponder it for a few minutes. Sample size is definitely too small on Foster to take him over a guy who had 2K last year.

Rookie starting RB

 

[nysportsfan]

Both, because you let me.

But CJ.

 

[jon_mx]

rookie wall looks something like this...

Good thing he is not a rookie.CJ, but I had to ponder it for a few minutes. Sample size is definitely too small on Foster to take him over a guy who had 2K last year.

Rookie starting RB

There are a string of rookie running backs who have had monster years. Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, Curtis Martin, Billy Sims....just to name a few who come in mind without looking anything up.

 

[Londo]

Through the first quarter of a season (almost 1/3 of the fantasy regular season):

Quantitatively speaking:

- Foster is the #1 RB by a wide margin (30 points in my non-ppr league).

- Johnson has 9 more carries but a significantly lower ypc (3.8 to 6.3).

- Foster has 1 more total TD, and 1 less fumble than Johnson.

- Foster has 11 Receptions for 152 and a TD (13.8 avg), Johnson has 12 receptions for 38 yards (3.2) and no TDs.

- Foster is on the better team by a significant margin, with better talent on O-line, QB, and WR.

Qualitatively speaking:

- Foster has looked better than Johnson.

- Johnson led the league in rushing attempts last year and is on pace to do it again, he also rushed for over 2K last year. Historically, these are not necessarily good things for year X+1.

- Johnson could easily break one off from anywhere on the field, but I think Foster proved he was more than capable of the same last week.

- Foster isn't a rookie starter. He started several games last year with mixed results. He fumbled his way out of his first start, but when called upon agian at the end of the year, he torched two good defenses who were in the playoff hunt, even though Houston had little to play for at the time.

- For what it's worth, MJD pegged him as a super sleeper before the season too. On his radio show, he lauded Foster's talent+opportunity as something that could be special. I trust the opinion of someone in the same position (ie, a really good NFL RB).

I'll take Foster in a redraft this year. I wouldn't trade him for CJ straight up today. Could this situation easily reverse itself, and leave me kicking myself six ways to Sunday? you bet. But this is a wacky game, and I like my chances with Foster right now.

 

[CB31]

I voted for CJ. I do like Foster, but I feel as though the main warts on him entering this year's fantasy drafts are still there -- the injury concerns being #1. Plus, I dunno how long CJ's sub-4.0 ypc and Foster's 6.0+ ypc will last. Very close, and both are top 5-10 backs, but I still like CJ more.

 

[damageinc]

Lets put it this way. I have Foster and I would not trade him straight up for CJ. Ofcourse as said above that opinion could change in 4 weeks but as of "this moment" I would rather have Foster. In a redraft its still CJ but again at the season end that could also be different. If Foster keeps this up he could be the #1 pick or atleast we can be discussing CJ-AD-Foster as possible #1 picks.

In my league Foster is 30 points ahead of the closet back ( Best) in points and 40ish over CJ.He is averaging over 25 points a game. you cant buy that kind of production. the best part is its not skewed buy 1 huge performance. hes is steady 20+ points a week. I will take that over CJ getting 10 huge games and 6 clunkers to make up the points. Why I always loved guys like who were just steady points a week VS guys like Lee Evans or Santana Moss who have 6-7 blow up games and the rest are like 2-25 games.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

what an incredibly pointless thread

 

[Warrior]

I think we can officially claim that the Arian Foster haters over the preseason were DEAD WRONG and i do mean DEAD WRONG. Why? The Chris Johnson owner in my league just offered me Chris Johnson for my 37th overall pick, Arian Foster. If Foster's value is as high as CJ, then clearly all the Arian hypers were right! But 1 man in my league is hardly conclusive. So I decided to have a poll and see what the sharkpool believe.Who would you rather have for the rest of the season in a non-ppr redraft league, Arian Foster or Chris Johnson. Don't be shy, please vote. And be honest, don't vote for Arian because you own him or CJ because you own him. Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

So because some loon in your league offered CJ for AF, you assume this means they have the same value?What I take out of this is that you should join a more competitive league. CJ >> AF.

 

[damageinc]

Right now after 4 games in "Fantasy Football" Arian Foster > CJ. You get no points from last year so matter little how great CJ was last year and you can predict what will happen 4 games down the road. Ofcourse in real football CJ is a better RB then AF ( then again hes better then 99% of the league) but in Fantasy Football 2010 AF >>>> CJ by a lot right now.

 

[DoubleG]

I think we can officially claim that the Arian Foster haters over the preseason were DEAD WRONG and i do mean DEAD WRONG. Why? The Chris Johnson owner in my league just offered me Chris Johnson for my 37th overall pick, Arian Foster. If Foster's value is as high as CJ, then clearly all the Arian hypers were right! But 1 man in my league is hardly conclusive. So I decided to have a poll and see what the sharkpool believe.Who would you rather have for the rest of the season in a non-ppr redraft league, Arian Foster or Chris Johnson. Don't be shy, please vote. And be honest, don't vote for Arian because you own him or CJ because you own him. Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

So because some loon in your league offered CJ for AF, you assume this means they have the same value?What I take out of this is that you should join a more competitive league. CJ >> AF.

40% of the SP says And historically, if someone offers you player A for player B, they actually think player B has slightly more value. (If they were equal, why make the trade?).Please note: the question is not which one is better, then question is which one has more FF value in a non-ppr league going forward. I can't help but wonder how many voting for CJ are CJ owners and are simply hoping they are "correct". Incidentally, I own neither, but if someone told me I had to give up my #1 RB for the rest of the season and choose between the two, I'd take Foster.

 

[Kenny Powers]

If I were to draft today Id have them ranked

1) ADP

2) Foster

3) Gore

4) CJ

 

[emge]

Tell us honestly who you would rather have for the rest of the season.

Finley.

Gates all day long!

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

The difference between CJ and Foster would be greater if the OP could figure out how to not let us vote for both. I bet at least 40% of the Foster voters voted for him and CJ.

 

[thatguy]

The difference between CJ and Foster would be greater if the OP could figure out how to not let us vote for both. I bet at least 40% of the Foster voters voted for him and CJ.

A grand total of 3 people have voted for both. 3.

 

[plyka]

Um, I don't see what Chris Johnson has to do with Arian Fosters success.But anyways, 4 weeks of Arian Fosters success doesn't mean he's better or should be drafted ahead of Chris Johnson.

The relationship between the two is that CJ is widely recognized as the #1 player in fantasy. For Arian Foster to be in the same sentence as CJ or Adrian Peterson, means that Foster is now recognized as a possible #1 fantasy player!

 

[Black]

Were there alot of haters or just people who wanted to have a larger sample size of his playing before spending a draft pick on him?

I don't get why people get all worked up. You can't draft every player.

 

[thatguy]

Were there alot of haters or just people who wanted to have a larger sample size of his playing before spending a draft pick on him?I don't get why people get all worked up. You can't draft every player.

There were quite a few people saying that he would more or less be a wasted pick, even at his ADP. Saying that he'd be yanked as soon as he fumbled the ball. Saying that Slaton would eventually become the bell cow again. Most people who were somewhat down on him, like you said, just wanted to see him produce for a longer period of time than just a couple of games at the end of last season. But there were those who firmly believed he would be worthless.

 

[Aardvarks]

Imagine Johnson ripping a 47-yd td run on the opening drive tomorrow, it would be like a giant windshield wiper swooping across this muddy, dumb thread.

 

[footballnerd]

Don't have either, voted CJ.

That being said I thought Foster was excellent value where he was being drafted in the 3rd through 4th, tried to get him but always missed out.

CJ is still worth the 1st rounder and I would not trade CJ for Foster. Season is still young and although Foster is having a great year, he did score all his TDs vs the Colts and the Raiders. So well see how it pans out.

 

[DoubleG]

Imagine Johnson ripping a 47-yd td run on the opening drive tomorrow, it would be like a giant windshield wiper swooping across this muddy, dumb thread.

Ahhh, this is like the inverse of "if you just take off that 1 big play" logic. Also, even if he did, that still wouldn't put him within 120 rushing yards (or 250 total from scrimmage) of Foster in 4 games, so no, not really.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

The difference between CJ and Foster would be greater if the OP could figure out how to not let us vote for both. I bet at least 40% of the Foster voters voted for him and CJ.

A grand total of 3 people have voted for both. 3.

That is incorrect

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

A grand total of 3 people d*****bags have voted for both. 3.

FYP

 

[Titus Pullo]

In redraft non-ppr who would you rather have for the rest of the year, CJ or Arian Foster?

Arian Foster [ 93 ] ** [41.15%]

Chris Johnson [ 133 ] ** [58.85%]

 

[meatwad1]

Looks like this is another failed topic. Always go with the guy who actually has a track record longer than 4 -6 games.

 

[Go deep]

In redraft non-ppr who would you rather have for the rest of the year, CJ or Arian Foster?

Arian Foster [ 93 ] ** [41.15%]

Chris Johnson [ 133 ] ** [58.85%]

Wow, i dont know what else to say.

 

[Aardvarks]

Funny -you could have seen this outcome from a mile away

OL Eugene Amano's ticky-tacky holding call vs Pittsburgh -killing a 85-yd score -is the only thing keeping CJ2K from this stat line after 5 gms:

114 carries 570 yards 7 tds

I'm too dumb to figure out how that projects thru 16 games but I bet it's awfully similar to to his 2009 #s.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

What did the Arian Foster haters lose?

Voted both BTW.

 

[DoubleG]

Looks like this is another failed topic. Always go with the guy who actually has a track record longer than 4 -6 games.

I must of have misunderstood the poll. I thought it said "rest of the season", not "rest of the week". In that case, I'll trade you Alex Smith straight up for Peyton Manning. He's twice as good!!!!

 

[shnikies]

Looks like this is another failed topic. Always go with the guy who actually has a track record longer than 4 -6 games.

I must of have misunderstood the poll. I thought it said "rest of the season", not "rest of the week". In that case, I'll trade you Alex Smith straight up for Peyton Manning. He's twice as good!!!!

So Chris Johnson is the Alex Smith of running backs? You'd really rather have Foster than Johnson?

 

[DoubleG]

Looks like this is another failed topic. Always go with the guy who actually has a track record longer than 4 -6 games.

I must of have misunderstood the poll. I thought it said "rest of the season", not "rest of the week". In that case, I'll trade you Alex Smith straight up for Peyton Manning. He's twice as good!!!!

So Chris Johnson is the Alex Smith of running backs? You'd really rather have Foster than Johnson?

No - it's called an analogy - and an exaggerated one to make the point. Yes, really (for FF - which is what this thread is about). Sorry if that hurts the CJ owner's feelings. While Chris Johnson is a great RB, his team and overall offensive situation, is not as good as Houston. So, yes, from a FF stand point, for this season only (but for the entire rest of it) - I would take Foster over CJ.

 

[Concept Coop]

Imagine Johnson ripping a 47-yd td run on the opening drive tomorrow, it would be like a giant windshield wiper swooping across this muddy, dumb thread.

Ahhh, this is like the inverse of "if you just take off that 1 big play" logic. Also, even if he did, that still wouldn't put him within 120 rushing yards (or 250 total from scrimmage) of Foster in 4 games, so no, not really.

I thought it was from this point foward, no? In wich case Foster is actually 105 yards and 2 TDs behind.

 

[joffer]

bees are on the what now?

 

[jmo87usc]

No - it's called an analogy - and an exaggerated one to make the point. Yes, really (for FF - which is what this thread is about). Sorry if that hurts the CJ owner's feelings. While Chris Johnson is a great RB, his team and overall offensive situation, is not as good as Houston. So, yes, from a FF stand point, for this season only (but for the entire rest of it) - I would take Foster over CJ.

That was a really bad analogy. Manning has a 12 year history so 1 bad game is less than 1% of his great career. Foster has had 4 good weeks so 1 bad game is 20% of his career. Gimme the guy with the longer track record. I guess I'm biased as a CJ owner, but it would take alot more than Foster to get him from me.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

CJ owners are going to have to come to terms with the fact that Foster is going to crush him going forward.

 

[DoubleG]

No - it's called an analogy - and an exaggerated one to make the point. Yes, really (for FF - which is what this thread is about). Sorry if that hurts the CJ owner's feelings.

While Chris Johnson is a great RB, his team and overall offensive situation, is not as good as Houston. So, yes, from a FF stand point, for this season only (but for the entire rest of it) - I would take Foster over CJ.

That was a really bad analogy. Manning has a 12 year history so 1 bad game is less than 1% of his great career. Foster has had 4 good weeks so 1 bad game is 20% of his career. Gimme the guy with the longer track record. I guess I'm biased as a CJ owner, but it would take alot more than Foster to get him from me.

HTH. Just for the record, I don't own either in any league - but if given the choice of 1 of the two as my RB1 for the rest of the season, I'd take Foster.

 

[skillz]

Interesting to read this thread two months later.

 

[mizat000]

FF is a fast-changing environment. Tough to shake the bias and think objectively sometimes. With that said, this is a lost year for the Titans and CJ. Will he be a top 5 back ever again? Probably. Should Foster be a top 5 draft pick next year? Without a doubt. I would take him either #1 or #2, no question.