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*****Official Baltimore vs. New England thread***** (1 Viewer)

How did the league not schedule this one for PrimeTime?

I like the Ravens by 4 but, I'm a Bmore homer. That's my in-depth analysis, what's yours? (kidding, i'll offer my breakdown when I'm sober)

 
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I'd have to say the Jets-Saints would be the matchup of the week
I think it's Vikings/Packers. Division game, 3-0 vs. 2-1, and Favre against the Pack. I heard it will be the highest rated Monday Night game ESPN has ever had.
for you, I fixed the post...it now reads sunday game of the week. But really, if Minn doesn't pound the Packer's make-shift Oline into the ground they should be dismissed as true contenders. The GB Oline is in shambles.
 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.

Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.

 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.
Just watch the Jets game for the blueprint to beat the Pats. Amazing the Falcons didn't hit Brady that much. If they had, they might have won today.Baltimore should win this game, but their D is suspect this year. This should be a good test for them.
 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.
Just watch the Jets game for the blueprint to beat the Pats. Amazing the Falcons didn't hit Brady that much. If they had, they might have won today.Baltimore should win this game, but their D is suspect this year. This should be a good test for them.
If only the Ravens had someone to fill the roles that Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard played in that game, than they can follow that plan.:mellow:I am very curious to see how this game looks. On paper, one of the greatest passing offenses and one of the greatest passing defenses. But both have been underwhelming so far. Very intriguing game.
 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.
Just watch the Jets game for the blueprint to beat the Pats. Amazing the Falcons didn't hit Brady that much. If they had, they might have won today.Baltimore should win this game, but their D is suspect this year. This should be a good test for them.
If only the Ravens had someone to fill the roles that Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard played in that game, than they can follow that plan.:thumbup:I am very curious to see how this game looks. On paper, one of the greatest passing offenses and one of the greatest passing defenses. But both have been underwhelming so far. Very intriguing game.
I mentioned in another thread that the safety play for Bmore is a key. Landry is a better safety and football player than Leonhard. He finally played like it in week 3. Actually Reed and Landry showed up for the first time this season. If those two play well, and Bmore brings LB in the blitz rather than undersized DBs, they've got a really good chance to win this game. For the first time in 15 years, Bmore can hang offensively with the big boys. I'm looking forward to this game and hoping bmore plays the way it can on both sides of the ball.
 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.
Just watch the Jets game for the blueprint to beat the Pats. Amazing the Falcons didn't hit Brady that much. If they had, they might have won today.
:rolleyes:
 
The 2007 game where Baltimore felt like it got jobbed by the refs is not that far away. I'm confident that the boys from da U will have murder on their minds.

Having said that, the Ravens are still great at Red Zone defense and the Pats are struggling with Red Zone offense.

Conversely, the Pats defense is underrated having surrended only 3 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD in 3 games.

Expect a field goal war. SLIGHT edge to the Pats at home, and I'll feel a LOT better if Welker plays.

Note to Tom: Quit CRYING about Galloway until you stop throwing floaters.

 
To have a chance in this one, the Ratbirds may need to weather an early storm and give their offensive line a chance to take over. The OL has been pretty good so far. If they can get into a rhythm and run the ball effectively, it'll give Flacco a chance to hit some shots downfield when he needs to.

I look for the Pats' best effort so far in this one. If Brady gets hot, they could win by a couple of scores. But I think this one goes into the fourth quarter close.

 
If the Ravens get consistent pressure on Brady they have a great shot of winning. If they don't, well as Emmitt Smith says "They goin to get blowed out."

 
If the Ravens get consistent pressure on Brady they have a great shot of winning. If they don't, well as Emmitt Smith says "They goin to get blowed out."
Barring injury (on either side of the ball) this Ravens team ain't going to get blowed out by ANYONE this year. They haven't played any defensive stalworts but they are averaging 400+ yds and 30+ pts a game.
 
If the Ravens get consistent pressure on Brady they have a great shot of winning. If they don't, well as Emmitt Smith says "They goin to get blowed out."
This is how I see it, too. The Ravens DBs will get eaten up by Moss et al if the Golden Boy has all day to throw. Baltimore appeared to blitz more yesterday than they did the first two weeks, but it'll be interesting to see how they attack the Pats - if they blitz Brady & don't get to him, he'll have a field day.It's the other side of the ball that has me scratching my head. I don't think the Pats D is as good as it was earlier in the decade & the Ravens O certainly is improved, but Belechick vs Flacco scares the snot out of me. Cam's once again gonna have to earn his paycheck.
 
If only the Ravens had someone to fill the roles that Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard played in that game, than they can follow that plan.
Both Leonhard & Scott are missed, though where I think not having Leonhard hurts the most is as a return man. Dawan Landry is as good, if not better, a SS as Leonhard. Scott's spot is being platooned somewhat by Gooden & Barnes, and some of his former responsibilites have passed over to Jarret Johnson.
 
I'm not sure if I'm really understanding why people seem to think that the Pats passing game has an edge over the Ravens pass D in this game......

The Pats are 23rd best in the league in yards per pass attempt. The fact that they accumulate huge bulk passing numbers has much more to do with how often they pass rather than the quality of their passing attack(at least so far). Moreover, they've put up a mediocre 3 TDs to 2 INTs in the passing game.

The Ravens, meanwhile, had one bad game on the road against a top tier passing offense. However, they were very solid in their other two games against weaker competition:

Week 1

B Croyle- 16/24, 177 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT

Week 2

P Rivers- 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDS, 2 INTs

Week 3

D Anderson- 11/19, 92 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

B Quinn- 6/8, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Last season, the Baltimore Ravens ranked 2nd in the entire league with only 179.7 passing yards allowed per game. Are we really saying that one poor game that was on the road against the SD Chargers is causing us to completely change our views of their pass D?

 
I'm not sure if I'm really understanding why people seem to think that the Pats passing game has an edge over the Ravens pass D in this game......

The Pats are 23rd best in the league in yards per pass attempt. The fact that they accumulate huge bulk passing numbers has much more to do with how often they pass rather than the quality of their passing attack(at least so far). Moreover, they've put up a mediocre 3 TDs to 2 INTs in the passing game.

The Ravens, meanwhile, had one bad game on the road against a top tier passing offense. However, they were very solid in their other two games against weaker competition:

Week 1

B Croyle- 16/24, 177 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT

Week 2

P Rivers- 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDS, 2 INTs

Week 3

D Anderson- 11/19, 92 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

B Quinn- 6/8, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Last season, the Baltimore Ravens ranked 2nd in the entire league with only 179.7 passing yards allowed per game. Are we really saying that one poor game that was on the road against the SD Chargers is causing us to completely change our views of their pass D?
On what planet is allowing Brodie Croyle to go on the road, average 7.4 yards per pass, throw 2 TDs and 0 INTs, a solid performance? I think the loss of Rex Ryan and Bart Scott raise some questions about the quality of the '09 Ravens pass D. The '08 Ravens had the 2nd best D in the NFL. It was terrific. But so far they let Brodie Croyle play about 10X better than anyone expected, and were shredded by Philip Rivers.

Do you think Tom Brady is more like Philip Rivers or Derek Anderson?

I'm not saying the Ravens pass D is bad, or will be mediocre this year.... just that we don't know. At this point, there isn't evidence to suggest that the Ravens pass D will be above average this season, besides what happened last year.

I agree, of course, that the Pats passing O looks much worse than usual, too.

 
I guess people still aren't buying into the Ravens offense. I think that even if the D gives up 28pts or so, there's a good chance that the offense will score more than that. Their OL looks great this year, they can run, throw, trick plays, whatever. Aside from being at home, I have a hard time seeing how the Patriots win this game.

 
I'm not sure if I'm really understanding why people seem to think that the Pats passing game has an edge over the Ravens pass D in this game......

The Pats are 23rd best in the league in yards per pass attempt. The fact that they accumulate huge bulk passing numbers has much more to do with how often they pass rather than the quality of their passing attack(at least so far). Moreover, they've put up a mediocre 3 TDs to 2 INTs in the passing game.

The Ravens, meanwhile, had one bad game on the road against a top tier passing offense. However, they were very solid in their other two games against weaker competition:

Week 1

B Croyle- 16/24, 177 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT

Week 2

P Rivers- 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDS, 2 INTs

Week 3

D Anderson- 11/19, 92 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

B Quinn- 6/8, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Last season, the Baltimore Ravens ranked 2nd in the entire league with only 179.7 passing yards allowed per game. Are we really saying that one poor game that was on the road against the SD Chargers is causing us to completely change our views of their pass D?
Which of these is more like NE for the Ravens?A) KC & Cleveland at home

B) SD on the road

Look, I'm not saying that Ravens can't or won't win - I think they have a damned good shot even if Brady goes off - but they've yet to show they can lock down a good passing game this season.

 
I guess people still aren't buying into the Ravens offense. I think that even if the D gives up 28pts or so, there's a good chance that the offense will score more than that. Their OL looks great this year, they can run, throw, trick plays, whatever. Aside from being at home, I have a hard time seeing how the Patriots win this game.
I buy the Ravens O. I said last year that I thought Flacco was overrated in '08, but would be underrated in '09. I wasn't surprised at all to see him play poorly in the playoffs last year, but I expect him to be very good for years to come.
 
I'm not sure if I'm really understanding why people seem to think that the Pats passing game has an edge over the Ravens pass D in this game......

The Pats are 23rd best in the league in yards per pass attempt. The fact that they accumulate huge bulk passing numbers has much more to do with how often they pass rather than the quality of their passing attack(at least so far). Moreover, they've put up a mediocre 3 TDs to 2 INTs in the passing game.

The Ravens, meanwhile, had one bad game on the road against a top tier passing offense. However, they were very solid in their other two games against weaker competition:

Week 1

B Croyle- 16/24, 177 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT

Week 2

P Rivers- 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDS, 2 INTs

Week 3

D Anderson- 11/19, 92 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

B Quinn- 6/8, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Last season, the Baltimore Ravens ranked 2nd in the entire league with only 179.7 passing yards allowed per game. Are we really saying that one poor game that was on the road against the SD Chargers is causing us to completely change our views of their pass D?
On what planet is allowing Brodie Croyle to go on the road, average 7.4 yards per pass, throw 2 TDs and 0 INTs, a solid performance? I think the loss of Rex Ryan and Bart Scott raise some questions about the quality of the '09 Ravens pass D. The '08 Ravens had the 2nd best D in the NFL. It was terrific. But so far they let Brodie Croyle play about 10X better than anyone expected, and were shredded by Philip Rivers.

Do you think Tom Brady is more like Philip Rivers or Derek Anderson?

I'm not saying the Ravens pass D is bad, or will be mediocre this year.... just that we don't know. At this point, there isn't evidence to suggest that the Ravens pass D will be above average this season, besides what happened last year.

I agree, of course, that the Pats passing O looks much worse than usual, too.
Now, on to you.......Losing Scott isn't as big as you seem to think. IMO, it's not zero-sum & the Jets get more out of him than the Ravens lose. Ryan's a different story, though, and it remains to be seen how much Baltimore slips - if at all - with Mattison.

As for Croyle - did you see the game? The Chiefs didn't get a first down until the 2nd quarter & had 3/4 of their yardage on 2 late drives - it wasn't like Croyle was carving them up all game. He looked bad for most of it, got hot in the 4th (when he compiled all of his stats) in desperation time, and admittedly played well then. The Ravens played him about as vanilla as I've seen them play in 10 years - still not sure why - but they turned up the heat last weekend so we'll see how they are moving forward.

 
On what planet is allowing Brodie Croyle to go on the road, average 7.4 yards per pass, throw 2 TDs and 0 INTs, a solid performance?
Did you watch the game? The Baltimore defense was ridiculously good in the 1st half, but special teams turnovers and INTs kept KC in the game, and Croyle was able to move the ball finally in the 4th quarter. Otherwise, the Ravens would've won by a lot more than the 14 points they did. Here check outKansas City - 14:53

1st-10, KC26 14:53 L. Johnson rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain

2nd-5, KC31 14:17 L. Johnson rushed to the right for 4 yard loss

3rd-9, KC27 13:52 B. Croyle incomplete pass to the right

4th-9, KC27 13:35 D. Colquitt punt. C. Carr returned punt for no gain. BAL committed 10 yard penalty

Kansas City - 10:10

1st-10, KC25 10:10 B. Croyle passed to J. Charles to the left for 1 yard gain

2nd-9, KC26 9:35 B. Croyle sacked by J. Johnson

3rd-15, KC20 9:06 B. Croyle incomplete pass to the right

4th-15, KC20 8:48 D. Colquitt punt. C. Carr returned punt for 7 yards

Kansas City - 1:58

1st-10, KC16 1:58 L. Johnson rushed to the right for 1 yard loss

2nd-11, KC15 1:18 B. Croyle passed to L. Johnson to the left for 6 yard gain

3rd-5, KC21 1:02 B. Croyle passed to M. Bradley to the left for 4 yard gain

4th-1, KC25 0:36 D. Colquitt punt. E. Reed returned punt for 2 yards. BAL committed 8 yard penalty

Kansas City - 13:17

1st-10, KC29 13:17 L. Johnson rushed to the right for 3 yard gain

2nd-7, KC32 12:37 T. Thigpen rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

3rd-5, KC34 12:04 J. Charles rushed to the left for no gain

4th-5, KC34 11:29 D. Colquitt punt, no return

They finally got their very first 1st down of the entire game on a meaningless drive at the end of the half that resulted in zero points:

Kansas City - 3:49

1st-10, KC31 3:49 KC committed 5 yard penalty

1st-15, KC26 3:49 L. Johnson rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain

2nd-8, KC33 3:12 J. Charles rushed to the left for 3 yard loss

3rd-11, KC30 2:39 B. Croyle passed to B. Engram to the right for 11 yard gain

1st-10, KC41 2:00 J. Charles rushed to the right for 10 yard gain

1st-10, BAL49 1:38 J. Charles rushed to the right for 1 yard gain

2nd-9, BAL48 1:10 B. Croyle passed to J. Charles to the right for 1 yard gain

3rd-8, BAL47 0:34 J. Battle rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

4th-9, BAL48 0:01 B. Croyle passed to J. Charles to the left for 20 yard gain

One of Croyle's TDs came on a drive that they started on the Baltimore 6 yard line(due to an INT by Flacco). In reality, the Chiefs had success passing the ball on one drive the entire game(they also had one 50 yard pass play on another drive which resulted in a FG, but they didn't have success passing the ball the rest of that drive):

Kansas City - 8:10

1st-10, KC20 8:10 B. Croyle passed to B. Engram to the left for 8 yard gain

2nd-2, KC28 7:32 BAL committed 15 yard penalty

1st-10, KC43 7:27 B. Croyle incomplete pass to the left

2nd-10, KC43 7:23 B. Croyle passed to M. Bradley to the right for 14 yard gain

1st-10, BAL43 6:52 B. Croyle passed to D. Bowe down the middle for 24 yard gain

1st-10, BAL19 6:10 B. Croyle passed to D. Bowe to the right for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, BAL10 5:21 B. Croyle passed to S. Ryan down the middle for 10 yard touchdown. R. Succop made PAT

And on the most important drive of the game, here is how they did:

Kansas City - 2:00

1st-10, KC21 2:00 B. Croyle sacked by J. Johnson

2nd-18, KC13 1:49 B. Croyle incomplete pass to the left

3rd-18, KC13 1:45 B. Croyle incomplete pass to the right

4th-18, KC13 1:34 B. Croyle sacked by T. Pryce. B. Croyle fumbled. B. Albert recovered fumble

I watched this game in it's entirety twice(probably one of the few who can make that claim about a KC/Balt game), and I did not think that Baltimore's pass defense looked weak, nor did I think the Chiefs had much success throwing the ball. They had one 50 yard pass play which set up a FG(otherwise the pass game did nothing on that drive), and then they had that one nice drive which I mentioned above. Otherwise, the pass game was non-existent, as KC didn't even get a first down until after the 2 minute warning.

I think the loss of Rex Ryan and Bart Scott raise some questions about the quality of the '09 Ravens pass D.
Rex Ryan is doing a great job in NY, but I think you're greatly overestimating the impact of his loss upon a veteran Baltimore D who have played together for quite a while. Bart Scott was at best the Ravens 3rd best defensive player. Theres no way that those two losses are big enough to cause the 2nd best pass defense in the league to all of a sudden be anything but above average or better imho.
The '08 Ravens had the 2nd best D in the NFL. It was terrific. But so far they let Brodie Croyle play about 10X better than anyone expected, and were shredded by Philip Rivers.
Please go back and re-watch that Chiefs game because it seems to me like you're 100% going off of stats and not analyzing it for yourself at all(I do agree stats have their value though). Also why are you completely ignoring the Cleveland game? Especially since that is the most recent game, I don't see how you can consider your analysis complete if you ignore it.
Do you think Tom Brady is more like Philip Rivers or Derek Anderson?
So far this year(post injury) hes been a lot more like Derek Anderson:Brady in 2009: 6.1 ypa, 3 TDs, 2 INTs

DA career numbers: 6.6 ypa, 43 TDs, 38 INTs

Rivers career numbers: 7.6 ypa, 81 TDs, 39 INTs

continued on next post because I'm using too many quotes to fit in one post.....

 
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I'm not saying the Ravens pass D is bad, or will be mediocre this year.... just that we don't know
But losing the 3rd or 4th best defender and your coordinator isn't nearly enough to cause all of our data from 2008 to be meaningless, so I don't see why you act as if it is. Moreover, so far the Pats passing offense has been very bad. So even if we do assume that the Ravens pass D is an unknown, then why would people single out this matchup as the one that is the most lopsided? What about NE's completely average run D(only 15 teams have given up more than the Pats 4.0 yards per rush allowed, which puts them right around average) against the top rushing attack from last year that looks even better(and more balanced with a complimentary passing attack) this year?

At this point, there isn't evidence to suggest that the Ravens pass D will be above average this season, besides what happened last year.
I guess we agree here, although I still think its silly to dismiss last year due to the loss of one non-star player and the DC.
I'm not sure if I'm really understanding why people seem to think that the Pats passing game has an edge over the Ravens pass D in this game......

Week 2

P Rivers- 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDS, 2 INTs
Nice one game sample size there.
 
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Look, I'm not saying that Ravens can't or won't win - I think they have a damned good shot even if Brady goes off - but they've yet to show they can lock down a good passing game this season.
And you're basing this off of a one game sample size. Don't you think last year's 16 game(plus playoffs) sample size gives us a better idea even if we have to adjust for the loss of Scott/Ryan?

Moreover there is a correlation between how a team plays against bad offenses and how they play against good offenses. There are very few teams in the history of the league that will dominate bad offenses but then turn around and be below average(or worse) against good offenses...or if they do exist then it probably has more to do with the variance of a short 16 game season that the actual truth about their defense.

Therefore, we can indeed learn something about how the Ravens will play against top passing offenses(which I'm still not convinced NE is) by studying how they did against the Chiefs and Browns. It would be foolish to simply dismiss those games in our analysis.

 
And you're basing this off of a one game sample size. Don't you think last year's 16 game(plus playoffs) sample size gives us a better idea even if we have to adjust for the loss of Scott/Ryan?
No, I'm basing in 10 years of watching this Ravens D & these CBs against big WRs when Baltimore doesn't get pressure. And I have no doubt that the Ravens will end up highly ranked as a pass D by the end of the season. But this is a different team thatn last year's ( I realize the contradiction) & I want to see them shut down an elite passing unit before I annoint them.
 
And you're basing this off of a one game sample size. Don't you think last year's 16 game(plus playoffs) sample size gives us a better idea even if we have to adjust for the loss of Scott/Ryan?
No, I'm basing in 10 years of watching this Ravens D & these CBs against big WRs when Baltimore doesn't get pressure. And I have no doubt that the Ravens will end up highly ranked as a pass D by the end of the season. But this is a different team thatn last year's ( I realize the contradiction) & I want to see them shut down an elite passing unit before I annoint them.
Over the past ten full seasons, in terms of yards allowed (the official NFL rank of pass defense), the Ravens are:(2008) 2, 20, 6, 8, 10, 4, 26, 8, 8, 6 (1999)So two seasons in the top five, six seasons from 6-10, but also a 20th and 26th place finish.
 
well, the ravens successfully beat up 2 of the worst teams in the league, so I think it's safe to assume they'll do the same against the pats.

:lmao: :lmao:

 
If you think you saw a lot of Brady whining last week, wait until Baltimore gets a hold of him. I predict a Brady / Moss sideline meltdown :confused:

 
Hey NE homers, I'm hearing rain for this game. What are you hearing?

Baltimore is definitely healthier coming into the game, the biggest question mark for them seems to be if rookie pass rushing undersized DE/LB Paul Kruger will be active or continue to ride the pine.

NE is always secretive about its injuries but has some playmakers dinged going into this game: Welker? Mayo? Wilfork? Moss is listed but will almost certainly play. If Wilfork is limited due to the ankle and Mayo isn't ready, the Ravens rushing attack is looking very good. If Welker isn't ready yet, it allows more over-under attention directed toward Moss.

I certainly hope Baltimore starts bringing speedy backers like AyanBAD-ASSdejo in on the blitz rather than undersized DBs like they have been doing. Ayanbadejo is having a breakout season, much like Thomas did a few years ago, much like Ngata did last year. He's undersized, but speedy and playing like a beast. On offense it will be interesting to see if Washington has something to prove to his former team. No rain, advantage slightly to Bmore. Rain, not sure but I think to Bmore with it's rushing attack. Wilfork is a key IMO.

 
Ravens have a bit to prove, and I'm sure Ravens fans would be the first to say that. Beating the Chiefs and Browns doesn't impress anyone, and they got carved up by Philip Rivers and outgained by over 150 yards in their only other game. Ravens could end up being terrific, but they're much more of an unknown at this point than most teams IMO.Pats have been throwing, throwing and throwing in their three games so far. Against the Ravens, I can't see that formula changing. So if Brady throws 45 passes, how many yards and TDs does he score on Baltimore? Ravens pass D looks much worse since Rex Ryan left, but that's based on just one game so far. With games against NE, CIN and MIN coming up, we should know a lot more about the Ravens in three weeks.
I wouldn't exactly say the Ravens are an unknown at this point as they've moved in at 6/1 odds, giving them current favoritism to win the Super Bowl... money is talking...
 
Looks like the rain should be out of the area, for the most part, by Saturday. Calling for mix of clouds and sun, highs in lower 70s, minimal winds.

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Many that have posted in this thread have a serious concern about this year's version of the Ravens' pass D. A couple of things to keep in mind that haven't been mentioned: Leonhard only played last year after Landry suffered a spinal cord injury. Ed Reed really didn't turn things on last year until he had a few games under his belt. NG Kelly "Buddy Lee" Gregg was on IR last year. Bart Scott was horrid in pass coverage last year, he was however, very good stopping the run. This year Suggs was injured very early in training camp. He has been attempting to play himself back into shape, with 3 games under his belt he is getting closer. The defensive backfield needs time to gel; Foxworth is replacing Samari Rolle and Landry is replacing Leonhard. The backfield communication looks to be improving, of course playing Cleveland makes everything look good. Both Foxworth and Fabian Washington can run with anyone in the league so, if Reed and Landry play like they have in the past, this D should be fine. The key really is safety play. Both need to stay back in pass coverage and allow the beastly Dline to shut down the run. Reed and Landry have to use their height to come over the top in pass coverage since Foxworth and Washington are both short. I expect to see a lot more of the speedy but undersized special teams standout LB Ayanbadejo in the Ravens base D. At 6'1" and only 225 lbs he is small but, boy can he run. If the Dline and RLewis can handle the run, Ayandadejo can either drop in pass coverage or bring heat on Brady. Part of the problem with the Ravens blitz this year is that they're sending undersized dime DBs that are getting picked up by blockers or are so small in stature that QBs aren't being brought down. If they can incorporate Ayanbadejo, the QB will go down. They're just not getting it done with a dinged Suggs getting double teamed and a bunch of run-stopping Dlinemen. Sending harder hitting S Landry rather than Nakamura and Zbikowski should also be more effective. You almost have to have the ball-hawking Reed in centerfield rather than blitzing in pressure packages as well, as turnovers are a huge part of the past defensive success.

On the other side of the ball, the Pats are in trouble if Wilfork is limited or out. Same goes for Mayo, but Wilfork is the key. The Ravens have a big athletic offensive line that can push a D around. Without Wilfork, the Ravens will pick up huge chunks of yardage running with the bruising McClain and McGahee. Mayo will have more of an affect on Ray Rice, IMO.

If the Ravens are successful this week, I expect big games from Ayanbadejo on D and McClain, McGahee and former Patriot Kelly Washington on offense.

I'd love to hear from Yudkin on this game and, the other Pats fans here.

 
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Boston's 98.5 FM The Sport's Hub just reported that Welker, Wilfork and Moss practicing today. Also said that Mayo was dressed and jogging at practice. Welker and Moss practiced fully.

 
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- The Patriots enter Week 4 as the only NFL team that has yet to fumble (everybody else has at least two).

- One more note on fumbles: New England’s defense has forced a fumble on 3.02% of opponent “touches” this season, the highest percentage in the league. Seattle ranks 2nd at 2.55%.

- The Patriots once again are kings of the long drive with 11 drives of 10+ plays this season, ahead of Miami and the Giants (9 each) and this week’s foe Baltimore (8). Last week against Atlanta, the Patriots had 5 such drives but managed only 4 field goals on those drives.

- Success on 3rd down is vital to teams ability to maintain long drives and the Pats are no exception. They have gotten into 3rd and short (1 to 3 yards to go) 18 times (most in the league) and converted 13 of them (72%; 4th). Baltimore has taken a different route to 3rd down success, converting a league best 48% (11 of 23) on 3rd and long (6 or more yards to go).

- Another 3rd down note: On defense, NE has allowed just 4 conversions in 13 tries (31%) on 3rd and 5 or less to go, the lowest percentage in the NFL so far. Quite an improvement after allowing 62% (27 for 44) in that situation over the final five games of last season.

- An NFL-high 50.9% of the Ravens pass plays have come against a blitz this season and they’ve averaged 7.79 yards per pass play against those blitzes (7th).

- While neither team has been gangbusters at kickoff returns, the Patriots have been brutal at defending kickoff returns this season. They’ve allowed 6 of 13 (46%) to be returned for 30+ yards, the highest percentage in the NFL.
 
Boston's 98.5 FM The Sport's Hub just reported that Welker, Wilfork and Moss practicing today. Also said that Mayo was dressed and jogging at practice. Welker and Moss practiced fully.
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This is very misleading. The Pats had a no contact practice today in shorts and shells and a walkthrough. So sure, Welker "participated fully," but it's not like he had to do anything strenuous. I still do not have much confidence in Welker this week and he will again be a GTD.
 
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Boston's 98.5 FM The Sport's Hub just reported that Welker, Wilfork and Moss practicing today. Also said that Mayo was dressed and jogging at practice. Welker and Moss practiced fully.
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This is very misleading. The Pats had a no contact practice today in shorts and shells and a walkthrough. So sure, Welker "participated fully," but it's not like he had to do anything strenuous. I still do not have much confidence in Welker this week and he will again be a GTD.
Good to know, i realize this is a new station in the Boston area. They later reported that the Pats practice consisted of an offensive walkthrough in shells and special teams in shells (helmets), shoulder pads, and sweats. Welker they said practiced fully. Mayo was in on kick-offs only and jogged (consensus seamed to be that Mayo was still a few weeks away). Moss evidentally was extremely limited earlier in the week and at least showed up for the walkthroughs. Wilfork also participated fully today but, WTF is he on special teams LOL? Was just passing along what I heard, streaming from Bmore. Thanks for the further insight, you have the BEST insight on the Pats, period!
 
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Many that have posted in this thread have a serious concern about this year's version of the Ravens' pass D. A couple of things to keep in mind that haven't been mentioned: Leonhard only played last year after Landry suffered a spinal cord injury. Ed Reed really didn't turn things on last year until he had a few games under his belt. NG Kelly "Buddy Lee" Gregg was on IR last year. Bart Scott was horrid in pass coverage last year, he was however, very good stopping the run. This year Suggs was injured very early in training camp. He has been attempting to play himself back into shape, with 3 games under his belt he is getting closer. The defensive backfield needs time to gel; Foxworth is replacing Samari Rolle and Landry is replacing Leonhard. The backfield communication looks to be improving, of course playing Cleveland makes everything look good. Both Foxworth and Fabian Washington can run with anyone in the league so, if Reed and Landry play like they have in the past, this D should be fine. The key really is safety play. Both need to stay back in pass coverage and allow the beastly Dline to shut down the run. Reed and Landry have to use their height to come over the top in pass coverage since Foxworth and Washington are both short. I expect to see a lot more of the speedy but undersized special teams standout LB Ayanbadejo in the Ravens base D. At 6'1" and only 225 lbs he is small but, boy can he run. If the Dline and RLewis can handle the run, Ayandadejo can either drop in pass coverage or bring heat on Brady. Part of the problem with the Ravens blitz this year is that they're sending undersized dime DBs that are getting picked up by blockers or are so small in stature that QBs aren't being brought down. If they can incorporate Ayanbadejo, the QB will go down. They're just not getting it done with a dinged Suggs getting double teamed and a bunch of run-stopping Dlinemen. Sending harder hitting S Landry rather than Nakamura and Zbikowski should also be more effective. You almost have to have the ball-hawking Reed in centerfield rather than blitzing in pressure packages as well, as turnovers are a huge part of the past defensive success.

On the other side of the ball, the Pats are in trouble if Wilfork is limited or out. Same goes for Mayo, but Wilfork is the key. The Ravens have a big athletic offensive line that can push a D around. Without Wilfork, the Ravens will pick up huge chunks of yardage running with the bruising McClain and McGahee. Mayo will have more of an affect on Ray Rice, IMO.

If the Ravens are successful this week, I expect big games from Ayanbadejo on D and McClain, McGahee and former Patriot Kelly Washington on offense.

I'd love to hear from Yudkin on this game and, the other Pats fans here.
Good post, UG. I agree that the heat has to come from the LBs - Ayan or Johnson are the two most likely. I've never liked Landry blitzing; he doesn't take good angles & I want him helping out in the back anyway. I'm having one helluva time handicapping this sucker. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at who won.

Oh, and Derrick Mason's listed as questionable with the flu but he'll play. Nothing short of hospitalization will keep him out.

 
If Moss & Welker are both out...Baltimore wins running away. What is the word on Moss playing this week? If neither he nor Welker you may as well play your backup QBs...no matter who they are.

 

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