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[NorvilleBarnes]

This is the speech Obama should have given instead of his race speech. He is still young, he'll learn.

You really think he shouldn't have addressed the Wright issue?

 

[DPRugby]

This must be "Kick Obama in the Balls" week.

I *hope* that as we get closer to the Pen primary that the tide turns the other way and HRC gets thrown under the bus for no good reason. Who's blank has she been blanking to get this kind of press?

 

[phthalatemagic]

Why are the speeches so long? I don't understand that. Can the guy have a short speech once in a while? If I remember correctly, some of the most famous and meaningful American political speeches are the short ones.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Why are the speeches so long? I don't understand that. Can the guy have a short speech once in a while? If I remember correctly, some of the most famous and meaningful American political speeches are the short ones.

I don't necessarily disagree with you at all ... but I think if he's a guy who's been criticized for not having any specific plans, this sort of detailed speech may help to quell that criticism?She-who-must-not-be-named has been playing the "speeches not solutions" angle for too long ... if the speech itself is a detailed solution she'll have to revert back to the fake "fighting for America for 35 years" stuff.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Why are the speeches so long?

Seems like a pretty standard length to me. Are you sure you're not just running out of things to criticize? It was a great speech on a very important topic that actually included substance.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

She-who-must-not-be-named

lol

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

This is the speech Obama should have given instead of his race speech. He is still young, he'll learn.

You really think he shouldn't have addressed the Wright issue?

He HAD to give that speech. It didnt do any harm as far as I am concerned. The people who are saying it wasnt enough etc., were not voting for him already (based on the Wright issue and an opinion of it already or something else). I think it WAS enough for those who got put back on the fence because of it, and I think that the overarching THEME of the speech and race relations in America was a necessary speech to be made and a great BEGINNING point for this nation to heal. That is, however, only going to happen if the media moves from Wright over to the America theme, although there will be no more movement or healing for this country if Obama isnt president, as the whole race thing will once again be ignored (unless of course Sweet J is right and we have riots like 68 and 91, although that would just prove Obama right again, i.e. that we only talk about race as a reaction (Katrina/OJ)).

 

[Alan Smithee]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

 

[Sinn Fein]

This is the speech Obama should have given instead of his race speech. He is still young, he'll learn.

You really think he shouldn't have addressed the Wright issue?

I do.I think it was a political mistake to give credence to the race issue. It was always going to be the elephant in the room. But, Obama should have spun it such that he was not going to waste time on the Wright issue, when there are so many more important issues confronting our country today. The conservative talking heads would still have had their moment, but then the story would have died.This is not to say race relations is not an important issue, but it is a divisive issue, when Obama had been preaching unity. From a political perspective, it is better to get elected first, and then tackle controversial issues. Now, he will have to fight very hard to avoid the perception that he is another Jessie Jackson. A black candidate focusing on "black" issues (many issues transcend race, but that will get lost in the message).I am not an Obama supporter, and I was on record several weeks ago that his campaign would struggle when the media stopped fawning over him. I do think he has potential. I don't think he has enough accomplishments to earn my support. But, he has a "leadership" quality that I think is critical in a president. However, a leader still must demonstrate good judgment. I don't have faith that he has that good judgment yet, or that he would surround himself with the right people.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

A 25 point win? Has Clinton ever won a state by more than 10%?

 

[fsword]

He's denounced Wright's statements in very clear terms on several different occasions, including the speech yesterday. Are you being willfully ignorant on this or what?

Has Obama ever stated specific comments he denounces and disagrees with? Or has he merely said he disagrees with some of Pastor Wrights statements? All I have seen from Obama, which isn't too much, are general type comments. These comments allow him to play both sides of the fence in an attempt to reassure "white America" (whatever that is) and not alienate his base in the civil rights movement.Is there a list of denounciations?

Why don't you just admit that nothing he can say will be enough to change your opinion of him?

I have no problem with Obama the man. I won't vote for him because of his policies.That said, I was simply seeking a list of specifics in order to learn more. Maybe posting a question here wasn't the best play, but it wasn't an attack.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Why are the speeches so long? I don't understand that. Can the guy have a short speech once in a while? If I remember correctly, some of the most famous and meaningful American political speeches are the short ones.

I don't necessarily disagree with you at all ... but I think if he's a guy who's been criticized for not having any specific plans, this sort of detailed speech may help to quell that criticism?She-who-must-not-be-named has been playing the "speeches not solutions" angle for too long ... if the speech itself is a detailed solution she'll have to revert back to the fake "fighting for America for 35 years" stuff.

Yeah, I guess. I am not one of those critics. Sure I have a laugh when people do the "Hope... change" stuff, but he defined everything I need to know, except exactly how he plans to tax me. I can understand why he doesn't make that perfectly clear though, it's probably a mix of not wanting to upset upper middle class folks and that he probably recognizes that it it too complicated to nail down to specific numbers this early.

Why are the speeches so long?

Seems like a pretty standard length to me. Are you sure you're not just running out of things to criticize? It was a great speech on a very important topic that actually included substance.

I am definately OUT of things to criticize becuase Obama is a great candidate. He would be greater if he gave some short and meaningful speeches as well, JMO.

 

[fsword]

He's denounced Wright's statements in very clear terms on several different occasions, including the speech yesterday. Are you being willfully ignorant on this or what?

Has Obama ever stated specific comments he denounces and disagrees with? Or has he merely said he disagrees with some of Pastor Wrights statements? All I have seen from Obama, which isn't too much, are general type comments. These comments allow him to play both sides of the fence in an attempt to reassure "white America" (whatever that is) and not alienate his base in the civil rights movement.Is there a list of denounciations?

Good grief. "Thank you for tuning in. I've posted highlighted transcripts of the Rev's speeches on my website. Yellow highlighting is agreement, red is disagreement...."

Link for the lost?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

A 25 point win? Has Clinton ever won a state by more than 10%?

OK, I looked it up. Clinton won Arkansas by 43%. Still, I don't see any way she approaches a 25% spread in PA.

 

[scoobygang]

This is the speech Obama should have given instead of his race speech. He is still young, he'll learn.

You really think he shouldn't have addressed the Wright issue?

He HAD to give that speech. It didnt do any harm as far as I am concerned. The people who are saying it wasnt enough etc., were not voting for him already (based on the Wright issue and an opinion of it already or something else). I think it WAS enough for those who got put back on the fence because of it, and I think that the overarching THEME of the speech and race relations in America was a necessary speech to be made and a great BEGINNING point for this nation to heal. That is, however, only going to happen if the media moves from Wright over to the America theme, although there will be no more movement or healing for this country if Obama isnt president, as the whole race thing will once again be ignored (unless of course Sweet J is right and we have riots like 68 and 91, although that would just prove Obama right again, i.e. that we only talk about race as a reaction (Katrina/OJ)).

I'm not sure that Obama HAD to make that speech. I do think that American needed to hear that speech, whether it was ready for it or not.I don't know whether it will hurt or help his campaign. It certainly made me feel better about the fact that he's the candidate that I support. The decision to give a speech like that was not self-evident. He probably could have easily pulled a Sistah Souljah and left it at that. He didn't.

 

[Alan Smithee]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

A 25 point win? Has Clinton ever won a state by more than 10%?

OK, I looked it up. Clinton won Arkansas by 43%. Still, I don't see any way she approaches a 25% spread in PA.

She's up 26% in the latest PA poll.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

A 25 point win? Has Clinton ever won a state by more than 10%?

OK, I looked it up. Clinton won Arkansas by 43%. Still, I don't see any way she approaches a 25% spread in PA.

The latest PA poll I've seen has her up by 16% and that was taken in the midst of the Wright furor. I'm thinking that's coming down a bit. Let's see if she keeps her promise to release her returns before the primary.

 

[timschochet]

Uh oh! The latest tape from Osama Bin Laden includes this chilling message:

"Obama is my homeboy. We spent a wild night in Tunis together a couple of years back; he provided the dope, and the lovemaking was passionate. I am hoping he will be elected, afterwards I will be the first guest to the White House. And I plan to stay overnight this time."

Obama has quickly responded:

"Have I heard Osama Bin Laden make these sort of outrageous comments in the past? I have. Do I disapprove of them? Strongly. But I could no more disown Bin Laden than I could my own grandmother, who once years ago strapped an AK-47 to her back and hijacked a train bound for Cuba."

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Uh oh! The latest tape from Osama Bin Laden includes this chilling message:"Obama is my homeboy. We spent a wild night in Tunis together a couple of years back; he provided the dope, and the lovemaking was passionate. I am hoping he will be elected, afterwards I will be the first guest to the White House. And I plan to stay overnight this time."Obama has quickly responded:"Have I heard Osama Bin Laden make these sort of outrageous comments in the past? I have. Do I disapprove of them? Strongly. But I could no more disown Bin Laden than I could my own grandmother, who once years ago strapped an AK-47 to her back and hijacked a train bound for Cuba."

 

[Alan Smithee]

Clinton has a huge lead in Pennsylvania. A ten point victory in Ohio translated to a gain of 230,000 votes for her. Since they're similarly sized, a 20 point win in Pennsylvania could result in a pickup of 460,000 votes. A 25 point win could equal a 575,000 vote margin. According to Real Clear Politics, including Florida and estimated caucus states that haven't reported, Obama's lead is now 409,000.

I don't see any large pools of net votes left for Obama in the remaining contests. His lead in NC is now down to one point. Presumably, Puerto Rico is a bastion of support for Clinton considering her popularity in the hispanic community. IN, KY and WV seem to be a lot like OH and PA in that they're filled with working class white voters, which would seem to give the advantage to Clinton. OR, MT, and SD probably lean Obama, but they're smaller states and not exactly democratic strongholds, so even if he wins big there, it won't translate to that many votes. So it's quite possible that she not only takes the popular vote lead, but maintains it to the convention.

What happens if Clinton goes to the convention winning the popular vote? Would nominating the winner of the popular vote be considered fair?

A 25 point win? Has Clinton ever won a state by more than 10%?

OK, I looked it up. Clinton won Arkansas by 43%. Still, I don't see any way she approaches a 25% spread in PA.

The latest PA poll I've seen has her up by 16% and that was taken in the midst of the Wright furor. I'm thinking that's coming down a bit. Let's see if she keeps her promise to release her returns before the primary.

Link. Realistically, she only has to win PA by 15 points to give herself a good shot at winning the popular vote. Fifteen points would net her somewhere in the neighborhood of 350,000 votes, cutting Obama's lead (including Florida and unreported caucuses) to 60,000. I guarantee you if she wins big in PA, all you'll hear about for weeks afterward is the popular vote total. It's a real possibility that she goes to the convention with the lead.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Anyone listen to Imus this morning?

He had a audio tape of a pastor in Harlem (I think) spliced with Rev. Wright and lpayed them together. Wright is insane, this is known. This other guy was flat out bat**** crazy the likes of which would make Britney Spears look perfect.

No transcript, and was driving to court, but basically, Barack is trash because he has a white mother, his father was out whoring when he met her, Obama is a pimp because at his speeches (which ones I have no idea) there are white women who have t-shirts on that say Obama across their chest and basically Obama isn't worth anything because he isn't fully black, or fully African I couldn't tell which.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Uh oh! The latest tape from Osama Bin Laden includes this chilling message:"Obama is my homeboy. We spent a wild night in Tunis together a couple of years back; he provided the dope, and the lovemaking was passionate. I am hoping he will be elected, afterwards I will be the first guest to the White House. And I plan to stay overnight this time."Obama has quickly responded:"Have I heard Osama Bin Laden make these sort of outrageous comments in the past? I have. Do I disapprove of them? Strongly. But I could no more disown Bin Laden than I could my own grandmother, who once years ago strapped an AK-47 to her back and hijacked a train bound for Cuba."

Well, at least you didn't start a brand new thread to post that.

 

[Josie Maran]

Anyone listen to Imus this morning?

He had a audio tape of a pastor in Harlem (I think) spliced with Rev. Wright and lpayed them together. Wright is insane, this is known. This other guy was flat out bat**** crazy the likes of which would make Britney Spears look perfect.

No transcript, and was driving to court, but basically, Barack is trash because he has a white mother, his father was out whoring when he met her, Obama is a pimp because at his speeches (which ones I have no idea) there are white women who have t-shirts on that say Obama across their chest and basically Obama isn't worth anything because he isn't fully black, or fully African I couldn't tell which.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=relatedCertifiably insane, my friend.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Certifiably insane, my friend.

That clip is hillarious until you realize that this guy is serious.

 

[Sweet J]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Certifiably insane, my friend.

That clip is hillarious until you realize that this guy is serious.

Sweet Christ.

 

[adonis]

This is the speech Obama should have given instead of his race speech. He is still young, he'll learn.

You really think he shouldn't have addressed the Wright issue?

I do.I think it was a political mistake to give credence to the race issue. It was always going to be the elephant in the room. But, Obama should have spun it such that he was not going to waste time on the Wright issue, when there are so many more important issues confronting our country today. The conservative talking heads would still have had their moment, but then the story would have died.

Cept that the elephant in the room wasn't sitting in the corner, it was enraged, running around and trampling people, enough that it jeopardized his campaign. He had to address it, imo, calm it down, and send it back to the corner.

This is not to say race relations is not an important issue, but it is a divisive issue, when Obama had been preaching unity. From a political perspective, it is better to get elected first, and then tackle controversial issues. Now, he will have to fight very hard to avoid the perception that he is another Jessie Jackson. A black candidate focusing on "black" issues (many issues transcend race, but that will get lost in the message).

Being a uniter isn't about ignoring divisive issues, it's about tackling them head on in ways that don't demonize the other side. It's about raising the level of dialogue on issues. You say it's better to get elected first and then tackle controversial issues, but odds are, his election chances would've been much lower had he not tackled the issue.

I am not an Obama supporter, and I was on record several weeks ago that his campaign would struggle when the media stopped fawning over him. I do think he has potential. I don't think he has enough accomplishments to earn my support. But, he has a "leadership" quality that I think is critical in a president. However, a leader still must demonstrate good judgment. I don't have faith that he has that good judgment yet, or that he would surround himself with the right people.

All candidate struggle when the media turns overtly negative on them. There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party. It's going to hurt him. The question is how much. He did his part to cut the flow of negatives by delivering a great speech on race. We'll see how it works for him.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Uh oh! The latest tape from Osama Bin Laden includes this chilling message:

"Obama is my homeboy. We spent a wild night in Tunis together a couple of years back; he provided the dope, and the lovemaking was passionate. I am hoping he will be elected, afterwards I will be the first guest to the White House. And I plan to stay overnight this time."

Obama has quickly responded:

"Have I heard Osama Bin Laden make these sort of outrageous comments in the past? I have. Do I disapprove of them? Strongly. But I could no more disown Bin Laden than I could my own grandmother, who once years ago strapped an AK-47 to her back and hijacked a train bound for Cuba."

hmm . . . where was that train coming from, and how was it going to get to Cuba??

 

[Yankee23Fan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Certifiably insane, my friend.

That clip is hillarious until you realize that this guy is serious.

Sweet Christ.

IF this was part of one of those spoof movies like the new superhero one coming out it would be gold.

 

[Orange Crush]

Not sure if this has ever been posted. Who knows if the story is true, but found it kind of interesting.

Wait. So Obama is a politician that didn't cheat on his wife when given an opportunity?!? This man does not belong in Washington!!!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

 

[Josie Maran]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

Seriously, what has been worse than this?

 

[adonis]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

Well, I'm waiting for an example of something that has been worse. Something that has received as much play, that has pulled poll numbers down so fast, so quickly, and that has been jumped on by news pundits so fervently as this?Will I also admit that Obama has received the most amount of positive press? Sure.But i'd like to hear a few instances of things in this campaign that have resulted in such controversy and conversation.ETA, I was talking specifically about this Wright issue.

 

[ericttspikes]

Anyone listen to Imus this morning?

He had a audio tape of a pastor in Harlem (I think) spliced with Rev. Wright and lpayed them together. Wright is insane, this is known. This other guy was flat out bat**** crazy the likes of which would make Britney Spears look perfect.

No transcript, and was driving to court, but basically, Barack is trash because he has a white mother, his father was out whoring when he met her, Obama is a pimp because at his speeches (which ones I have no idea) there are white women who have t-shirts on that say Obama across their chest and basically Obama isn't worth anything because he isn't fully black, or fully African I couldn't tell which.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=relatedCertifiably insane, my friend.

I thought it was Hannity in blackface.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

Well, I'm waiting for an example of something that has been worse. Something that has received as much play, that has pulled poll numbers down so fast, so quickly, and that has been jumped on by news pundits so fervently as this?Will I also admit that Obama has received the most amount of positive press? Sure.But i'd like to hear a few instances of things in this campaign that have resulted in such controversy and conversation.ETA, I was talking specifically about this Wright issue.

Actually, I was thinking about it, and you're right. The media have been terribly unfair to Obama and just keep hitting him with negative stories that other candidates don't have to face. For example, there was that time when the New York Times ran a story accusing him of having an affair with a lobbyist with absolutely no evidence at all to back it up. That was incredibly dirty. And then there was the time that Obama had to cut ties with Geraldine Ferraro after she made some controversial remarks. When is the press going to apply the same scrutiny to McCain and Clinton that they give to Obama? This is just so unfair.

 

[ericttspikes]

Why are the speeches so long? I don't understand that. Can the guy have a short speech once in a while? If I remember correctly, some of the most famous and meaningful American political speeches are the short ones.

Since his speeches have no substance, he just needs to cut out a few "blah, blah, blah's" and that should do the trick.

 

[adonis]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

Well, I'm waiting for an example of something that has been worse. Something that has received as much play, that has pulled poll numbers down so fast, so quickly, and that has been jumped on by news pundits so fervently as this?Will I also admit that Obama has received the most amount of positive press? Sure.But i'd like to hear a few instances of things in this campaign that have resulted in such controversy and conversation.ETA, I was talking specifically about this Wright issue.

Actually, I was thinking about it, and you're right. The media have been terribly unfair to Obama and just keep hitting him with negative stories that other candidates don't have to face. For example, there was that time when the New York Times ran a story accusing him of having an affair with a lobbyist with absolutely no evidence at all to back it up. That was incredibly dirty. And then there was the time that Obama had to cut ties with Geraldine Ferraro after she made some controversial remarks. When is the press going to apply the same scrutiny to McCain and Clinton that they give to Obama? This is just so unfair.

Oh cmon now. Those were two of the worst stories other than this, and they're not even close.The NYT story ended up doing more damage to the NYT than McCain, the story blew over in a few days and never really touched McCain. In fact, it could've been a net positive because it was the first time the conservative base rallied around him...in defense.The Ferraro statements were primarily focused on Ferraro herself, even though it was more damaging to Hillary than McCain's story. But the comments were not perceived to have been shared by Hillary herself. The worst thing regarding that was her association with the campaign, which was terminated, at which point the story went away mostly.The Samantah Power comments were worse than the Ferraro ones imo, but were at least equal in negative coverage.I know I'm a big obama supporter, but I believe I'm too often falsely accused of being ridiculously biased.I never attacked mccain for his NYT story, the ferraro thing was limited to ferraro, not clinton. I don't fly off the handle and attack on baseless things, and when it comes to Obama, I don't expect others to share my passion for his candidacy, but I simply ask others to withhold from condemning him hastily, or without due evidence. When people want to discuss issues regarding Obama, I'm almost always willing to do so, and without idealizing his comments.I understand people are more than willing to write me off as just as obama zealot, but aside from maybe a day or two of the Wright controversy, I've been balanced and fair in my discussions of all candidates, including Obama...even if most of my comments are focused on him for obvious reasons.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I know I'm a big obama supporter, but I believe I'm too often falsely accused of being ridiculously biased.

Okay.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

There's no denying that the criticisms of Obama so far, have been the most negative of the entire campaign for either party.

The reason why people talk to you like you're a cult follower is because you say stuff like this.

Well, I'm waiting for an example of something that has been worse. Something that has received as much play, that has pulled poll numbers down so fast, so quickly, and that has been jumped on by news pundits so fervently as this?Will I also admit that Obama has received the most amount of positive press? Sure.But i'd like to hear a few instances of things in this campaign that have resulted in such controversy and conversation.ETA, I was talking specifically about this Wright issue.

Actually, I was thinking about it, and you're right. The media have been terribly unfair to Obama and just keep hitting him with negative stories that other candidates don't have to face. For example, there was that time when the New York Times ran a story accusing him of having an affair with a lobbyist with absolutely no evidence at all to back it up. That was incredibly dirty. And then there was the time that Obama had to cut ties with Geraldine Ferraro after she made some controversial remarks. When is the press going to apply the same scrutiny to McCain and Clinton that they give to Obama? This is just so unfair.

You really think those two stories were bigger and/or more negative than the Rev Wright issue?

 

[Gopher State]

ELECTION 2008

Racists endorse Obama on candidate's website

New Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate

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Posted: March 18, 2008

9:33 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein

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Sen. Barack Obama addresses controversy over his pastor in Philadelphia speech today

Just as Sen. Barack Obama sought to distance himself from controversial racial remarks made by his pastor, an anti-American government, anti-white and virulently anti-Semitic black supremacist party has endorsed the presidential candidate on Obama's own website.

"Obama will stir the 'Melting Pot' into a better 'Molten America,'" states an endorsement from the New Black Panther Party, or NBPP, which is a registered team member and blogger on Obama's "MyObama" campaign website.

The NBPP is a controversial black extremist party whose leaders are notorious for their racist statements and for leading anti-white activism.

Malik Zulu Shabazz, NBPP national chairman, who has given scores of speeches condemning "white men" and Jews, confirmed his organization's endorsement of Obama in an interview with WND today.

"I think the way Obama responded to the attack on him and the attempt to sabotage his campaign shows true leadership and character. He had a chance to denounce his pastor and he didn't fall for the bait. He stood up and addressed real issues of racial discord," stated Shabazz.

Shabazz boasted he met Obama last March when the politician attended the 42nd anniversary of the voting rights marches in Selma, Ala.

"I have nothing but respect for Obama and for his pastor," said Shabazz, referring to Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor of nearly 20 years.

It is Wright's racially charged and anti-Israel remarks that were widely circulated last week, landing the presidential candidate in hot water and prompting Obama to deliver a major race speech in which he condemned Wright's comments but not the pastor himself.

Speaking to WND, Shabazz referred to Obama as a man with a "Muslim background, a man of color."

Shabazz's NBPP's official platform states "white man has kept us deaf, dumb and blind," refers to the "white racist government of America," demands black people be exempt from military service and uses the word "Jew" repeatedly in quotation marks.

Shabazz has led racially divisive protests and conferences, such as the 1998 Million Youth March in which a few thousand Harlem youths reportedly were called upon to scuffle with police officers and speakers demanded the extermination of whites in South Africa.

The NBPP chairman was quoted at a May 2007 protest against the 400-year celebration of the settlement of Jamestown, Va., stating, "When the white man came here, you should have left him to die."

He claimed Jews engaged in an "African holocaust," and he has promoted the anti-Semitic urban legend that 4,000 Israelis fled the World Trade Center just prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

When Shabazz was denied entry to Canada last May while trying to speak at a black action event, he blamed Jewish groups and claimed Canada "is run from Israel."

Canadian officials justified the action stating he has an "anti-Semitic" and "anti-police" record, but some reports blamed what was termed a minor criminal history for the decision to deny him entry.

He similarly blamed Jews for then-New York Mayor Rudi Giuliani's initial decision, later rescinded, against granting a permit for the Million Youth March.

The NBPP's deceased chairman, Khallid Abdul Muhammad, a former Nation of Islam leader who was once considered Louis Farrakhan's most trusted adviser, gave speeches referring to the "white man" as the "devil" and claiming that "there is a little bit of Hitler in all white people."

In a 1993 speech condemned by the U.S. Congress and Senate, Muhammad, lionized on the NBPP site, referred to Jews as "bloodsuckers," labeled the pope a "no-good cracker" and advocated the murder of white South Africans who would not leave the nation subsequent to a 24-hour warning.

All NBPP members must memorize the group's rules, such as that no party member "can have a weapon in his possession while drunk or loaded off narcotics or weed," and no member "will commit any crimes against other party members or black people at all."

The NBPP endorses Obama on its own page of the presidential candidate's official site that allows registered users to post their own blogs.

The group labels itself on Obama's site as representing "Freedom, Justice, and Peace for all of Mankind." It links to the official NBPP website, which contains what can be arguably regarded as hate material.

The NBPP racked up 396 Obama campaign points, which purportedly are points given to users who raise funds, sign up other supporters or score high user ratings.

While it appears anyone can initially sign up as a registered supporter on Obama's site, it isn't clear whether the campaign monitors the site or approves users. There is a link on each blog page for users to report any abusers, such as those who post controversial entries, to the administrator.

Obama's campaign did not return repeated phone calls seeking comment Monday and today.

 

[commisholio]

Here's the text of Obama's speech today...

The Cost of War University of Charleston Charleston, West Virginia Thursday, March 20, 2008Five years ago, the war in Iraq began. And on this fifth anniversary, we honor the brave men and women who are serving this nation in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world. We pay tribute to the sacrifices of their families back home. And a grateful nation mourns the loss of our fallen heroes.I understand that the first serviceman killed in Iraq was a native West Virginian, Marine 1st Lieutenant Shane Childers, who died five years ago tomorrow. And so on this anniversary, my thoughts and prayers go out to Lieutenant Childers' family, and to all who've lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.The costs of war are greatest for the troops and those who love them, but we know that war has other costs as well. Yesterday, I addressed some of these other costs in a speech on the strategic consequences of the Iraq war. I spoke about how this war has diverted us from fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and from addressing the other challenges of the 21st Century: violent extremism and nuclear weapons; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease.And today, I want to talk about another cost of this war – the toll it has taken on our economy. Because at a time when we're on the brink of recession – when neighborhoods have For Sale signs outside every home, and working families are struggling to keep up with rising costs – ordinary Americans are paying a price for this war.When you're spending over $50 to fill up your car because the price of oil is four times what it was before Iraq, you're paying a price for this war.When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war.When a National Guard unit is over in Iraq and can't help out during a hurricane in Louisiana or with floods here in West Virginia, our communities are paying a price for this war.And the price our families and communities are paying reflects the price America is paying. The most conservative estimates say that Iraq has now cost more than half a trillion dollars, more than any other war in our history besides World War II. Some say the true cost is even higher and that by the time it's over, this could be a $3 trillion war.But what no one disputes is that the cost of this war is far higher than what we were told it would be. We were told this war would cost $50 to $60 billion, and that reconstruction would pay for itself out of Iraqi oil profits. We were told higher estimates were nothing but "baloney." Like so much else about this war, we were not told the truth.What no one disputes is that the costs of this war have been compounded by its careless and incompetent execution – from the billions that have vanished in Iraq to the billions more in no-bid contracts for reckless contractors like Halliburton.What no one disputes is that five years into this war, soldiers up at Fort Drum are having to wait more than a month to get their first mental health screening – even though we know that incidences of PTSD skyrocket between the second, third, and fourth tours of duty. We have a sacred trust to our troops and our veterans, and we have to live up to it.What no one disputes is that President Bush has done what no other President has ever done, and given tax cuts to the rich in a time of war. John McCain once opposed these tax cuts – he rightly called them unfair and fiscally irresponsible. But now he has done an about face and wants to make them permanent, just like he wants a permanent occupation in Iraq. No matter what the costs, no matter what the consequences, John McCain seems determined to carry out a third Bush-term.That's an outcome America can't afford. Because of the Bush-McCain policies, our debt has ballooned. This is creating problems in our fragile economy. And that kind of debt also places an unfair burden on our children and grandchildren, who will have to repay it.It also means we're having to pay for this war with loans from China. Having China as our banker isn't good for our economy, it isn't good for our global leadership, and it isn't good for our national security. History teaches us that for a nation to remain a preeminent military power, it must remain a preeminent economic power. That is why it is so important to manage the costs of war wisely.This is a lesson that the first President Bush understood. The conduct of the Gulf War cost America less than $20 billion – what we pay in two months in Iraq today. That's because that war was prosecuted on solid grounds, and in a responsible way, and with the support of allies, who paid most of the costs. None of this has been the case in the way George W. Bush and John McCain have waged the current Iraq war.Now, at that debate in Texas several weeks ago, Senator Clinton attacked John McCain for supporting the policies that have led to our enormous war costs. But her point would have been more compelling had she not joined Senator McCain in making the tragically ill-considered decision to vote for the Iraq war in the first place.The truth is, this is all part of the reason I opposed this war from the start. It's why I said back in 2002 that it could lead to an occupation not just of undetermined length or undetermined consequences, but of undetermined costs. It's why I've said this war should have never been authorized and never been waged.Now, let me be clear: when I am President, I will spare no expense to ensure that our troops have the equipment and support they need. There is no higher obligation for a Commander-in-Chief. But we also have to understand that the more than $10 billion we're spending each month in Iraq is money we could be investing here at home. Just think about what battles we could be fighting instead of fighting this misguided war.Instead of fighting this war, we could be fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and who are plotting against us in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We could be securing our homeland and stopping the world's most dangerous weapons from falling into terrorist hands.Instead of fighting this war, we could be fighting for the people of West Virginia. For what folks in this state have been spending on the Iraq war, we could be giving health care to nearly 450,000 of your neighbors, hiring nearly 30,000 new elementary school teachers, and making college more affordable for over 300,000 students.We could be fighting to put the American dream within reach for every American – by giving tax breaks to working families, offering relief to struggling homeowners, reversing President Bush's cuts to the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, and protecting Social Security today, tomorrow, and forever. That's what we could be doing instead of fighting this war.Instead of fighting this war, we could be fighting to make universal health care a reality in this country. We could be fighting for the young woman who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford medicine for a sister who's ill. For what we spend in several months in Iraq, we could be providing them with the quality, affordable health care that every American deserves.Instead of fighting this war, we could be fighting to give every American a quality education. We could be fighting for the young men and women all across this country who dream big dreams but aren't getting the kind of education they need to reach for those dreams. For a fraction of what we're spending each year in Iraq, we could be giving our teachers more pay and more support, rebuilding our crumbling schools, and offering a tax credit to put a college degree within reach for anyone who wants one.Instead of fighting this war, we could be fighting to rebuild our roads and bridges. I've proposed a fund that would do just that and generate nearly two million new jobs – many in the construction industry that's been hard hit by our housing crisis. And it would cost just six percent of what we spend each year in Iraq.Instead of fighting this war, we could be freeing ourselves from the tyranny of oil, and saving this planet for our children. We could be investing in renewable sources of energy, and in clean coal technology, and creating up to 5 million new green jobs in the bargain, including new clean coal jobs. And we could be doing it all for the cost of less than a year and a half in Iraq.These are the investments we could be making, all within the parameters of a more responsible and disciplined budget. This is the future we could be building. And that is why I will bring this war to an end when I'm President of the United States of America.But we also know that even after this war comes to an end, the costs of this war will not. We'll have to keep our sacred trust with our veterans and fully fund the VA. We'll have to look after our wounded warriors – whether they're suffering from wounds seen or unseen. That must include the signature injuries of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – not just PTSD, but Traumatic Brain Injury. We'll have to give veterans the health care and disability benefits they deserve, the support they need, and the respect they've earned. This is an obligation I have fought to uphold on the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee by joining Jay Rockefeller to expand educational opportunities for our veterans. It's an obligation I will uphold as President, and it's an obligation that will endure long after this war is over.And our obligation to rebuild our military will endure as well. This war has stretched our military to its limits, wearing down troops and equipment as a result of tour after tour after tour of duty. The Army has said it will need $13 billion a year just to replace and repair all the equipment that's been broken or lost. So in the coming years we won't just have to restore our military to its peak level of readiness, and we won't just have to make sure our National Guard is back to being fully prepared to handle a domestic crisis, we'll also have to ensure that our soldiers are trained and equipped to confront the new threats of the 21 century and that our military can meet any challenge around the world. And that is a responsibility I intend to meet as Commander-in-Chief.So we know what this war has cost us – in blood and in treasure. But in the words of Robert Kennedy, "past error is no excuse for its own perpetuation." And yet, John McCain refuses to learn from the failures of the Bush years. Instead of offering an exit strategy for Iraq, he's offering us a 100-year occupation. Instead of offering an economic plan that works for working Americans, he's supporting tax cuts for the wealthiest among us who don't need them and aren't asking for them. Senator McCain is embracing the failed policies of the past, but America is ready to embrace the future.When I am your nominee, the American people will have a real choice in November – between change and more of the same, between giving the Bush policies another four years, or bringing them to an end. And that is the choice the American people deserve.Somewhere in Baghdad today, a soldier is stepping into his Humvee and heading out on a patrol. That soldier knows the cost of war. He's been bearing it for five years. It's the cost of being kept awake at night by the whistle of falling mortars. It's the cost of a heart that aches for a loved one back home, and a family that's counting the days until the next R&R. It's the cost of losing a friend, who asked for nothing but to serve his country.How much longer are we going to ask our troops to bear the cost of this war?How much longer are we going to ask our families and our communities to bear the cost of this war?When are we going to stop mortgaging our children's future for Washington's mistake?This election is our chance to reclaim our future – to end the fight in Iraq and take up the fight for good jobs and universal health care. To end the fight in Iraq and take up the fight for a world-class education and retirement security. To end the fight in Iraq and take up the fight for opportunity, and equality, and prosperity here at home.Those are the battles we need to fight. That is the leadership I want to offer. And that is the future we can build together when I'm President of the United States. Thank you.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Certifiably insane, my friend.

That clip is hillarious until you realize that this guy is serious.

Too bad he doesn't realize that 54DD would be a woman fatter than he is. I can see 34DD in the chicks in that video, but apparently the Reverend hasn't been checking bra tags lately (or ever).

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

ELECTION 2008Racists endorse Obama on candidate's websiteNew Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate

Hannity talked about this last night. The Obama campaign took down and refused the endorsement immediately.

 

[One]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Certifiably insane, my friend.

That clip is hillarious until you realize that this guy is serious.

"You don't have enough sense to poke piss out a boot." I've got to remember that one.

This guy's nuts.

 

[commisholio]

ELECTION 2008Racists endorse Obama on candidate's websiteNew Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted: March 18, 20089:33 pm EasternBy Aaron Klein© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Pretty sad that Clinton supporters are reduced to citing WorldNetDaily articles. I am beginning to see the light in the HJS approach. Conflagration, indeed.

 

[ericttspikes]

So far people are only assassinating his character instead of the actual thing, so maybe there is progress afterall.

The spin cycle of those 30 second Pastor clips and the obvious political ploy to morph Obama into Wright, has started to go past tough politics and into the realm of hate itself. I'd be curious to know how much higher his death threats are now.

Obama is no MLK. Different league, different game. I do hope it doesn't end up the same for Barack however. The hate thrown at Obama, for someone else's words no less, I'm afraid is a start of something that might get out of hand. There is no doubt knuckleheads out there who grow vein popping mad at the endless loop of Wright. The fact that many people think Iraq still had a hand in 9/11, 5 years later, I can only conclude that many think Obama and Wright are the same guy. One similarity Obama has to MLK, is the method of tearing each down as their popularity grew. MLK was painted as “colored communist sympathizer" as his name became a household word.

Hopefully the Democrats and Republicans who attack this guy on race can move back to issue based attacks soon.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

I'm not going to read 144 pages, so Obama blaming the state of the economy on the Iraq War (link) may have already been covered.

I'd have gone with Global Warming as the cause, but to each his own.

 

[commisholio]

I'm not going to read 144 pages, so Obama blaming the state of the economy on the Iraq War (link) may have already been covered.

I'd have gone with Global Warming as the cause, but to each his own.

That speech is on the same page as your post. I don't think your sentence accurately reflects the substance of the speech, either.

 

[Sweet J]

I'm not going to read 144 pages, so Obama blaming the state of the economy on the Iraq War (link) may have already been covered.

I'd have gone with Global Warming as the cause, but to each his own.

Wait, are you saying that 5 years of war haven't had a horrible negative effect on our economy?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

From the Obama site:

Response to Fox News "story"

By Sam Graham-Felsen - Mar 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm EDT

Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content

Apparently, today was a slow news day.

So Fox News evidently decided to pore through our millions of user-created pages on My.BarackObama.com and put a screenshot of inflammatory content on the front page of FoxNews.com.

You see, more than 700,000 people have created accounts on the system. You can create one right now if you choose, in about a minute -- anyone can.

Now, from time to time people get up to no good -- creating fake profiles (like one for Sean Hannity created today), or posting profane or inappropriate content. When they do, the community reports the offending content and if it violates our terms of service it is removed (as the Sean Hannity profile was).

My.BarackObama.com has been at the core of our bottom-up organizing strategy. The tools available have been put to work by a community of supporters that is bigger and more powerful than anything presidential politics has ever seen.

Evidently, Fox News didn't think it was a big deal that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Americans are participating in the democratic process creating groups and local events in communities all across the country.

But they did think it was a big deal that one random person on the Internet, without the knowledge of the Obama campaign, posted a profile in the system with the image of the New Black Panther Party on it.



When we were alerted of the existence of this page, we pulled it down. Yet even after we pulled the page, Fox News continues to disingenuously and prominently feature this "story" on their homepage.

If you have feedback for Fox News, you can email foxnewsonline@foxnews.com.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

So far people are only assassinating his character instead of the actual thing, so maybe there is progress afterall. The spin cycle of those 30 second Pastor clips and the obvious political ploy to morph Obama into Wright, has started to go past tough politics and into the realm of hate itself. I'd be curious to know how much higher his death threats are now. Obama is no MLK. Different league, different game. I do hope it doesn't end up the same for Barack however. The hate thrown at Obama, for someone else's words no less, I'm afraid is a start of something that might get out of hand. There is no doubt knuckleheads out there who grow vein popping mad at the endless loop of Wright. The fact that many people think Iraq still had a hand in 9/11, 5 years later, I can only conclude that many think Obama and Wright are the same guy. One similarity Obama has to MLK, is the method of tearing each down as their popularity grew. MLK was painted as “colored communist sympathizer" as his name became a household word. Hopefully the Democrats and Republicans who attack this guy on race can move back to issue based attacks soon.

If Clinton or McCain were supporters/followers/associates/friends/neighbors of David Duke, you know darned well they'd be raked over the coals as racists, also guilty by association.Besides, his resume can't be assassinated (since he doesn't have one), so all that leaves is his character. HTH