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[meanjoegreen]

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

FBG obsession. This thread currently has 10,277 replies. Just one poster accounts for 728 of them.

I'd say record turnouts, particularly with younger college voters, might be a better indicator.

Not really being that Clinton has pulled in more people to vote as well. You are giving her no credit for bringing people out to vote too.

 

[cobalt_27]

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

FBG obsession. This thread currently has 10,277 replies. Just one poster accounts for 728 of them.

I'd say record turnouts, particularly with younger college voters, might be a better indicator.

Not really being that Clinton has pulled in more people to vote as well. You are giving her no credit for bringing people out to vote too.

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes. You are too biased to give Clinton any kind of credit.

 

[cobalt_27]

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes. You are too biased to give Clinton any kind of credit.

I was speaking more about young voters. And moderates.You have to admit, biased or not, Clinton ran an abysmal campaign. People have short memories, but it wasn't long ago that everyone just assumed that she would be facing the ® nominee for the GE. Obama's rise and her pitiful campaign conspired to put her where she is now.ETA: Just four months ago, Hillary held a 169-63 advantage on the SuperDelegates. Fast-forward to today, that split is now 272-271. I'd say that's anything but ordinary what he's done; and, to suggest otherwise probably reveals your own bias.

 

[meanjoegreen]

ETA: Just four months ago, Hillary held a 169-63 advantage on the SuperDelegates. Fast-forward to today, that split is now 272-271. I'd say that's anything but ordinary what he's done; and, to suggest otherwise probably reveals your own bias.

I'd say the black voters have made a huge difference in that, more than it is because Obama has had a terrific campaign. Obama has a hard time connecting with working class whites, and whenever November comes around, that will hurt Obama.

 

[the moops]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

I doubt the length of a footballguys post is a good indicator of what a politician is or is not.

I think it probably says quite a bit about the candidate.

 

[Trey]

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes. You are too biased to give Clinton any kind of credit.

Untrue. Obama needed a damn good campaign in order to win Iowa. If he doesn't win Iowa, he doesn't get the black votes on the scale that he did. His campaign came ready to play for the caucuses; Clinton's did not. Once he became viable, the black votes went way in his favor; but he had to get viable on his own first.Also, Obama probably ran one of the most fine tuned primary campaigns in this country's history. I believe that even Clinton's poor campaign would have held up against most ANY candidate except for Obama.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I saw that Obama is campaigning in Oregon. Has he decided to chalk West Virgina and Kentucky as loses and save his cash and time? Any locals of those areas with any insight?

Clinton could drop out today and campaign for Obama, and those two states would probably still be wins for her.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I saw that Obama is campaigning in Oregon. Has he decided to chalk West Virgina and Kentucky as loses and save his cash and time? Any locals of those areas with any insight?

Clinton could drop out today and campaign for Obama, and those two states would probably still be wins for her.

West Virginia, absolutely. The day he was born half black, was the day he had no shot at winning WV.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

I doubt the length of a footballguys post is a good indicator of what a politician is or is not.

I think it probably says quite a bit about the candidate.

Obviously.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

There's some serious revisionism taking place here. Pretty soon we'll get stories about how Barack Obama chopped down a cherry tree or something.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

There's some serious revisionism taking place here. Pretty soon we'll get stories about how Barack Obama chopped down a cherry tree or something.

Even better.Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and New York Public Interest Research Group before moving to Chicago in 1985 to take a job as a community organizer.

He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. His election in 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported. Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, then returned to Chicago where he headed a voter registration drive and began writing his first book, Dreams from My Father, a memoir published in 1995.

Between 1993 and 2002, Obama served on the board the Woods Fund of Chicago, a philanthropic organization providing grants to Chicago's disadvantaged people and communities.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This 78 year old blind guy just bowled a 300. What did Obama bowl again?

Hopefully a big fat 0. No need to waste time on something like bowling.

 

[cobalt_27]

Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

There's some serious revisionism taking place here. Pretty soon we'll get stories about how Barack Obama chopped down a cherry tree or something.

Which would you like to challenge, specifically?

 

[cobalt_27]

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes. You are too biased to give Clinton any kind of credit.

Untrue. Obama needed a damn good campaign in order to win Iowa. If he doesn't win Iowa, he doesn't get the black votes on the scale that he did. His campaign came ready to play for the caucuses; Clinton's did not. Once he became viable, the black votes went way in his favor; but he had to get viable on his own first.Also, Obama probably ran one of the most fine tuned primary campaigns in this country's history. I believe that even Clinton's poor campaign would have held up against most ANY candidate except for Obama.

And, that's coming from a Hillary supporter. Kudos for keeping an objective mind open to what we saw over the last 4-5 months.His early primary/caucus wins set the stage for folks getting excited and coming out in droves. But, it didn't happen by accident that he notched those early victories. His grassroots focus really generated a lot of excitement and trust that he could swing it with the big boys (and girl), which culminated in those early wins. He navigated the Wright stupidity with grace and turned it around in some ways to his advantage. If I have one complaint, it's that he has to be more extemporaneous in the debates, where I think he plods along by comparison to the energy he puts forth in his speeches.

 

[Josie Maran]

From a comment on some blog...

It's pretty much a known fact that Hillary's base is made up of chain email forwarders, people over 65, unmarried women over 45, and cat ladies.

I couldn't have put it any better.

 

[RedRaiders]

I saw that Obama is campaigning in Oregon. Has he decided to chalk West Virgina and Kentucky as loses and save his cash and time? Any locals of those areas with any insight?

Clinton could drop out today and campaign for Obama, and those two states would probably still be wins for her.

West Virginia, absolutely. The day he was born half black, was the day he had no shot at winning WV.

Kentucky is probably even worse. If she dropped out, he would still lose that primary by a landslide.

 

[phthalatemagic]

This 78 year old blind guy just bowled a 300. What did Obama bowl again?

Hopefully a big fat 0. No need to waste time on something like bowling.

I agree. I wish more people would be on that boat, instead of getting their panties wet when he is photographed playing basketball.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I saw that Obama is campaigning in Oregon. Has he decided to chalk West Virgina and Kentucky as loses and save his cash and time? Any locals of those areas with any insight?

Clinton could drop out today and campaign for Obama, and those two states would probably still be wins for her.

West Virginia, absolutely. The day he was born half black, was the day he had no shot at winning WV.

Kentucky is probably even worse. If she dropped out, he would still lose that primary by a landslide.

I don't know Kentucky well enough to say that. Which may be a good thing.

 

[Spiderman]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

I doubt the length of a footballguys post is a good indicator of what a politician is or is not.

I concur. But, calling him "just another politician" belies the obvious interest in his campaign. It suggests that his candidacy is ordinary and like all the rest. I'd say the evidence is clearly in the other direction. Love him or hate him, this politician is anything other than ordinary. Obama is clearly not "just another politician."One metric that sort of indicates this is how much discussion we've had about Obama in these here parts.

What are you talking about ?If the Democratic Primaries have proven anything, it's that he is a politican.Just because he calls for hope/change, and gives a good speech doesn't make him a uniter. He has no history of doing so, and is promoting a far left agenda that won't unite either, despite his inspiring speeches of hope/change.

 

[Spiderman]

Not really. She had the old guard, establishment vote already locked up. They were going to vote for her, anyway. And, probably more than anything because of her association with Bill, who was an extraordinary politician, himself. I don't think she did much to earn a lot of new votes(ers).Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes. You are too biased to give Clinton any kind of credit.

Untrue. Obama needed a damn good campaign in order to win Iowa. If he doesn't win Iowa, he doesn't get the black votes on the scale that he did. His campaign came ready to play for the caucuses; Clinton's did not. Once he became viable, the black votes went way in his favor; but he had to get viable on his own first.Also, Obama probably ran one of the most fine tuned primary campaigns in this country's history. I believe that even Clinton's poor campaign would have held up against most ANY candidate except for Obama.

I don't think black turnout would be any where near as high as it is if Obama were not in the race.I agree Obama has run a great campaign. In a race where two candidates are very similar on the issues, he is the more likable. He's gotten that out there, and Clinton is seen as a calculating figure.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

There's some serious revisionism taking place here. Pretty soon we'll get stories about how Barack Obama chopped down a cherry tree or something.

Which would you like to challenge, specifically?

The idea that Obama had no base of support and that he somehow came out of nowhere to unseat Clinton. 1. Obama was a frontrunner for the Presidency ever since he spoke at the DNC in 2004. Maybe not *the* frontrunner, but he had a very clear base of supporters once he was exposed to the national spotlight. 2. Hillary was always a weaker candidate than what people made her out to be. She doesn't have her husband's political skills, she's highly divisive, and it's just wrong to argue that Democrats weren't at least open to an appealing alternative, such as Obama. 3. On a lesser note, I'm not sure what you mean by Obama galvanizing a segment of the electorate. The last time I checked, blacks, young voters, and academics have tended to vote D for the past several decades. Kudos to Obama for stealing that coalition away from Hillary, but it's not some sort of magical accomplishment or anything. I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November. But as others have noted, the cult-like mentality of some of his disciples gets to be objectionable at times.

 

[snitwitch]

Obama, on the other hand, had no base to begin with. But, by virtue of running a smooth campaign, giving brilliant speeches, setting a different tone, etc., he was able to galvanize a segment of the electorate that came out and punk'd Hillary, when it was assumed that this whole nomination process was just a formality and that she would be the (D) nominee. It's not ordinary, in the least, what he accomplished here.

There's some serious revisionism taking place here. Pretty soon we'll get stories about how Barack Obama chopped down a cherry tree or something.

Which would you like to challenge, specifically?

The idea that Obama had no base of support and that he somehow came out of nowhere to unseat Clinton. 1. Obama was a frontrunner for the Presidency ever since he spoke at the DNC in 2004. Maybe not *the* frontrunner, but he had a very clear base of supporters once he was exposed to the national spotlight.

2. Hillary was always a weaker candidate than what people made her out to be. She doesn't have her husband's political skills, she's highly divisive, and it's just wrong to argue that Democrats weren't at least open to an appealing alternative, such as Obama.

3. On a lesser note, I'm not sure what you mean by Obama galvanizing a segment of the electorate. The last time I checked, blacks, young voters, and academics have tended to vote D for the past several decades. Kudos to Obama for stealing that coalition away from Hillary, but it's not some sort of magical accomplishment or anything.

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November. But as others have noted, the cult-like mentality of some of his disciples gets to be objectionable at times.

Hindsight makes the bolded seem more true than in it is in reality.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

5 more superdelegates today.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

 

[Josie Maran]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

McCain's a good value right now.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

McCain's a good value right now.

My mom has recently declared that Obama can't win.Looks like McCain is done.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

McCain's a good value right now.

My mom has recently declared that Obama can't win.Looks like McCain is done.

i love these people that say "so and so cannot win". makes me A - most people who make this statement that have no expert knowledge regarding the topic they are speaking about (no offense to your mom Mr P)B - saying "X cannot win" is an absolute statement. People who speak in absolutes are never worth speaking to (obvious sarcasm alert)C - I believe that most people who make these types of statement say them only to make themselves feel better/safer/more assured. For example, someone who is a desperate HRC supporter, and knows that the race is over, says "Barrack cannot win in November" to make themselves feel better about supporting the losing candidate.

 

[flufhed]

Obama could run a bad campaign and still get the majority of black votes.

Do you mean before or after he was considered "not black enough?"

 

[Gopher State]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West Virginia

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.

(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.

Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.

The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.

West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.

43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

 

[Voltaire]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

 

[timschochet]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

I'm sure a majority of these people actually favor Hillary,but I also think there is a bit of the "screw you" mentality here; they want their vote to mean something, and the only way it does is if the race is not over. Watch Hillary win every remaining state except Oregon in big numbers, which won't help her but will both embarrass and hurt Obama.

 

[gocolts]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

 

[shining path]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

Look, just because Obama and his supporters like me think we're better than you, doesn't make us elitist. It just makes you substandard.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

Look, just because Obama and his supporters like me think we're better than you, doesn't make us elitist. It just makes you substandard.

I love sore losers. They make winning so much sweeter

 

[Voltaire]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West Virginia

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.

(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.

Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.

The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.

West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.

43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

I was just so used to Hillary saying that only big states really mattered.

 

[Voltaire]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West Virginia

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.

(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.

Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.

The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.

West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.

43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

Look, just because Obama and his supporters like me think we're better than you, doesn't make us elitist. It just makes you substandard.

I love sore losers. They make winning so much sweeter

Speaking of sore losers. For anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

 

[gocolts]

Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West VirginiaFrom CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.(CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday's primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.43 point must be the biggest lead of any contest so far

I thought small states didn't matter?

To an elitist like BO they don't.

Look, just because Obama and his supporters like me think we're better than you, doesn't make us elitist. It just makes you substandard.

I love sore losers. They make winning so much sweeter

Hillary not getting the nomination is breaking my heart.No McCain getting the GOP nomination hurt.

 

[cubd8]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.

Obama isn't quite as awesome as Ron Paul on this issue. The market at InTrade predicts that we'll still have 132,160 troops in Iraq on June 30, 2010 if Obama wins (compared to 182,933 troops if McCain wins).

Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.

If Americans don't want government subsidized health care, they should vote for hope and change. As things currently stand, the American government spends more per person on health care than the French government does.

Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

I think McCain is the one who incorrectly thinks he can reduce gas prices, not Obama.

 

[Voltaire]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.

Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.

Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

I would like some specific examples here. It seems to be working pretty well for our Canadian and European friends. But I would seriously be willing to re-evaluate my position if there are rampant examples of countries that it didn't work.I disagree with your statement about Iraq almost as much as I agree with you about those odds being crazy. And that's a lot. No candidate is going to get a huge amount of the vote anyway and coupled with the fact that there could be a serious scandal or something, that would definitely be a bet worth examining more.

 

[adonis]

Rep. Tom Allen (D-ME) Endorses Obama; Delegate Countdown - 153 To Go

By Sam Graham-Felsen - May 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am EDT

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Breaking from the Portland Press Herald...

Democratic Rep. Tom Allen announced this morning that he is supporting Barack Obama for president.

"I have been friends for a very long time with former President Clinton and Sen. Clinton. I respect their service to our nation," Allen said in a written statement. He added that "most of the primary voters across the nation have now spoken. It is time to bring a graceful end to the primary campaign. We now need to unify the Democratic party and focus on electing Sen. Obama and a working majority in the United States Senate."

More on Rep. Allen's endorsement...

PORTLAND – Congressman and U.S. Senate candidate Tom Allen today pledged his support to Senator Barack Obama. Allen made his announcement during a 10:30 a.m. press conference at his campaign headquarters here.

Allen said he believes that both Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton are “supremely qualified to be president.”

“I have been friends for a very long time with former President Clinton and Senator Clinton. I respect their service to our nation. Hillary Clinton has run a vigorous campaign and has attracted a passionate following in Maine and around the country. She loves this country and is a true leader. For her service, I am grateful,” he said.

“Most of the primary voters across the nation have now spoken. It is time to bring a graceful end to the primary campaign. We now need to unify the Democratic Party and focus on electing Senator Obama and a working majority in the United States Senate. That is how we can change the direction of the country.

“I am running for the U.S. Senate because I believe Maine should lead the change this country needs. I share important priorities with Barack Obama: universal health care, reining in gas and food prices, greater independence from foreign oil, bringing our troops safely home from Iraq, creating jobs and strengthening the middle class.”

Allen said Obama is the embodiment of change for Maine and America.

“In February I watched a new generation of Mainers become involved in our nominating process because they were energized and hopeful about the future. I watched Independents and Democrats – and even a lot of Republicans -- in Maine enthusiastically support Barack Obama because they believe he can and will put America back on track,” he said.

Obama won Maine’s Democratic caucuses in February. His candidacy helped drive record turnout of some 45,000 participants.

Senator Obama said Maine needs Tom Allen in the U.S. Senate for the change we need. Obama’s full statement:

“Tom Allen understands the challenges this country is facing, and no one has worked harder to solve them. He knows that if we’re going to bring about the change this country needs, we’re going to have to change the way Washington works. That’s why he’s never been afraid to stand up to the special interests and demand accountability from our leaders.

“Like me, Tom opposed the war in Iraq from the start, and he’s been a tireless advocate for ending the war and reshaping our foreign policy to truly make this country safer and more respected. He’s fought for tax cuts for the middle class, health care for all, and a return to fiscal responsibility -- something this President and his allies in the Senate seem to have forgotten about completely.

“I’ve had the opportunity to meet voters from every corner of Maine, and they have spoken with one voice about the need for real change. There’s no question that Tom’s record of service, his tenacity, and his judgment will make him an excellent Senator. I’m thrilled to be working alongside him in this critical election, and I look forward to working with him as President.”

Senator Obama now needs 154 delegates to secure the nomination.

 

[Tigran Petrosian]

Obama now leading in superdelegates

Just incredible to think about this after the massive lead Hillary had starting out.

 

[cubd8]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.

Obama isn't quite as awesome as Ron Paul on this issue. The market at InTrade predicts that we'll still have 132,160 troops in Iraq on June 30, 2010 if Obama wins (compared to 182,933 troops if McCain wins).

Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.

If Americans don't want government subsidized health care, they should vote for hope and change. As things currently stand, the American government spends more per person on health care than the French government does.

Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

I think McCain is the one who incorrectly thinks he can reduce gas prices, not Obama.

Most polls show the Democrats positions are favored, but those same polls show that McCain beats all Democrats when you replace "Republican" and "Democrat" with "McCain" and "Obama/Clinton". Nobody is arguing that Republicans are not swinging the big stick these days, but we are saying that McCain is not running as the typical Republican and I have seen no poll results, either from you or from somebody else, that would imply that Obama is having success tying John McCain to the Republican Administration. All polls show McCain polling far better than the party.

 

[Johnnymac]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

That was my first question.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

That was my first question.

Perhaps your premise was wrong?

 

[Jeremy]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.

Obama isn't quite as awesome as Ron Paul on this issue. The market at InTrade predicts that we'll still have 132,160 troops in Iraq on June 30, 2010 if Obama wins (compared to 182,933 troops if McCain wins).

Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.

If Americans don't want government subsidized health care, they should vote for hope and change. As things currently stand, the American government spends more per person on health care than the French government does.

Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

I think McCain is the one who incorrectly thinks he can reduce gas prices, not Obama.

Most polls show the Democrats positions are favored, but those same polls show that McCain beats all Democrats when you replace "Republican" and "Democrat" with "McCain" and "Obama/Clinton". Nobody is arguing that Republicans are not swinging the big stick these days, but we are saying that McCain is not running as the typical Republican and I have seen no poll results, either from you or from somebody else, that would imply that Obama is having success tying John McCain to the Republican Administration. All polls show McCain polling far better than the party.

The latest polls show Obama winning head to head against McCain. Gallup +4 Obama, Rasmussen +1, LA times +6, all for Obama. And that's with McCain going through the last few months almost unscathed by the media, and with half of Hillary's supporters saying they won't vote for Obama in the GE. I think the conventional wisdom is that most of those Hillary supporters are going to warm up to Obama once Hillary finally bows out (or gets forced out). And McCain has some skeletons that haven't really been uncovered yet. But a lot can happen still between now and November.

 

[adonis]

Obama heading to Michigan and FloridaBy CHARLES BABINGTON and MATT APUZZO – 1 hour agoCHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — Barack Obama's surging presidential campaign announced Monday that he will visit politically neglected Florida and Michigan, as he focuses on a general election strategy with his primary race winding down.It will be Obama's first time in either state since signing a pledge nine months ago not to campaign in the two states that violated national party rules with early primaries. Obama will have to build relationships in the two critical general election battlegrounds if he wins the Democratic nomination.The Obama campaign announced a five-state tour over the next two weeks that includes stops in remaining primary states South Dakota and Oregon but is dominated by swing states where he hopes to run strong against Republican John McCain once the marathon Democratic race ends.Obama leads in delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination, even though he's expected to lose badly on Tuesday to rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in West Virginia. He'll try to move on from the loss by campaigning in Missouri, a state that President Bush won in 2000 and 2004.On Wednesday, he plans to make two stops in Michigan — the swing Macomb County and the GOP stronghold of Grand Rapids. He plans to spend three days starting May 21 in Florida, with stops in Tampa, Orlando, Palm Beach County and Miami. The area is a popular stop for political fundraising, but the Obama campaign says the candidate will mostly be appealing for votes."Our schedule reflects the fact that we are still fighting for votes and delegates in the remaining contests but also that we are going to places that are going to be competitive in the fall," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "John McCain has gone unchallenged for far too long, and we're going to make sure that voters in competitive states know the choice in this election between changing Washington and the third term of George Bush's failed policies that McCain is offering."All the Democratic presidential candidates agreed on boycotting Michigan and Florida. Clinton won both states, but no delegates were awarded. Restoring the delegates is a major part of Clinton's longshot strategy for the nomination.As she campaigned in West Virginia on Mother's Day, Clinton rejected any suggestion that she's dropping out of the race. She used campaign stops to remind voters of women who didn't give up in difficult situations, who fought for equal rights, broke into male-dominated professions and succeeded when others told them to quit.She quoted Eleanor Roosevelt, telling supporters: "A woman is like a tea bag. You never know how strong she is until she is in hot water."Earlier in the day, she read letters from supporters urging her not to give up, despite campaign math that's nearly impossible to work out in her favor.Looking only at West Virginia, this should be a confident time for the New York senator. She remains strong among working-class white voters, women and older Americans. Those demographics are expected to carry her to a triumph Tuesday and another in Kentucky next week.But Obama has a commanding lead in pledged delegates and has erased her lead among superdelegates, the party leaders who can side with any candidate.Clinton's last best hope is to use strong showings in West Virginia and Kentucky to make the case that Obama is weak among key Democratic constituents."Why can't Senator Obama beat Senator Clinton in West Virginia? Voters there have heard that he's the presumptive nominee," Clinton campaign strategist Howard Wolfson said on "Fox News Sunday." "They've seen the great press he's gotten in the past couple of days. Let's let them decide. They have an opportunity. They want to end this on Tuesday, they're perfectly capable of it."David Gergen, former White House adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton, said in an AP Broadcast interview in San Francisco, "She says 'full steam ahead,' (but) her problem is that she's running out of track.""She was the inevitable nominee and I think they misjudged what they were up against," Gergen added. "Along comes this phenomenon named Barack Obama and upsets everybody's calculations. The real problem in the (Clinton) campaign was that they weren't adaptable, they were not able to change game plan right in the middle once it looked like they had a real fight on their hands."

 

[gocolts]

Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............

There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.

I guess....he's just another politician...

If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?

Mainly because we didn't know squat about this guy when he started running. Now that people have had a glimpse into his life, there is plenty to discuss.

 

[cubd8]

I sort of like Obama, and I think he has to be heavily favored to be McCain in November.

About 61-39 according to Intrade.

Why so high? That's insane.Iraq....most Americans dont want to just pull everyone out like Obama wants...his position is unpopular.

Obama isn't quite as awesome as Ron Paul on this issue. The market at InTrade predicts that we'll still have 132,160 troops in Iraq on June 30, 2010 if Obama wins (compared to 182,933 troops if McCain wins).

Healthcare...most Americans dont want government subsidized healthcare realizing it didnt work in other places...its unpopular.

If Americans don't want government subsidized health care, they should vote for hope and change. As things currently stand, the American government spends more per person on health care than the French government does.

Economic...Obama is promising things he cant deliver. he cant stop gas prices, the mortgage cirsis, etc... and thats the problem of the economy. raising taxes on everyone isnt popular

I think McCain is the one who incorrectly thinks he can reduce gas prices, not Obama.

Most polls show the Democrats positions are favored, but those same polls show that McCain beats all Democrats when you replace "Republican" and "Democrat" with "McCain" and "Obama/Clinton". Nobody is arguing that Republicans are not swinging the big stick these days, but we are saying that McCain is not running as the typical Republican and I have seen no poll results, either from you or from somebody else, that would imply that Obama is having success tying John McCain to the Republican Administration. All polls show McCain polling far better than the party.

The latest polls show Obama winning head to head against McCain. Gallup +4 Obama, Rasmussen +1, LA times +6, all for Obama. And that's with McCain going through the last few months almost unscathed by the media, and with half of Hillary's supporters saying they won't vote for Obama in the GE. I think the conventional wisdom is that most of those Hillary supporters are going to warm up to Obama once Hillary finally bows out (or gets forced out). And McCain has some skeletons that haven't really been uncovered yet. But a lot can happen still between now and November.

Rasmussen's head to head in swing states have shown McCain smacking Obama around. What about those polls? Those are in States where all of those white, middle class voters he has to try and restrain himself from offending, are going to be critical. And that's where he is losing