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Does "oppressive taxes" mean "any amount of taxes more than I'm currently paying"?Our country currently has a huge debt, failing many people in education, not investing in scientific research...basically, we're borrowing money from ourselves and throwing it out the window. What Obama wants to do is to buckle down and actually focus our spending on things that will put us in good shape for the future. Reforming education, rebuilding infrastructure, driving down costs of health care, etc.I realize that for some people it might mean more taxes, but in addition to thinking of them as taxes, it might help to consider them under an Obama presidency as partly an investment in the future of America.
Philosophically, I'm not opposed to this attitude. However, the Fed govt as I understand it is not supposed to pick up all of those jobs. Can you explain to me why, using The Constitution or whatever SCOTUS rulings you wish the Fed govt is obliged or even allowed to pay for all of these things liberals in general want them to pay for? Maybe I can be a full blown liberal if this is the case, I just don't understand that part though and I cannot get past it to embrace the general liberal ideas.
:goodposting:Congress' power to tax and levy for the welfare of the people down?Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1.
Don't be condescending Levin. So you are saying "provide for the general welfare" means the govt can spend the money on anything they wish? I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding the justification of that.
Yes - that is EXACTLY what it means.
Hmmm. I do not think this thread is for asking questions. If only there were a moderator around here to help facilitate respectful conversations.
 
Just to change the tone a little in this thread, I would like to thank Adonis for setting this up. VERY informative first post.

I voted for Clinton on his last term, Bush in 2000 and in 2004. This time around, Obama has won me over. :goodposting:

 
I may not agree with him, but I'll give Obama respek for having the cajones to say publicly (just saw it on the news from his speech today) that he would have us out of Iraq in 2009.

(edit for clarity)

 
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I have to give it to Obama...buying the Superdelegates is "Out-Clinton-ing" the Clintons.

Obama Buys the Superdelegates
This really just exposes how bad the idea of superdelegates are. The money talked about in the article comes from Hilary's and Obama's PACs. This money was given to Democratic candidates over the course of 3 years to help other Dems win elections. John McCain does the same thing with his Straight Talk America PAC. The only difference is that all the Dems elected in the House of Reps are superdelegates, as are many other elected Dem officials. You could actually make the argument that Obama has done a better job of supporting Democrats than Hilary, and neither of them knew at the time that they would be facing this battle for superdelegates that we have today.
Interesting. But also, couldn't they hire random superdelegates to be part of their campaign? Like Icles is a senior guy on Hillary's campaign, and theoretically he's getting paid a lot of money for his work. But he is also a Superdelegate.What's to stop one of them from hiring a 21 year old superdelegate to be a campaign "analyist" (thereby putting money directly into his pocket)? That would be legit under the rules, right? But it is also essentially buying the person off.
As far as I'm concerned, why shouldn't they buy the votes of the superdelegates? They buy the votes of all the other delegates, anyway. Every major campaign promise by both Barack and Hillary amount to a bribe: free medical care, free jobs, free everything and somebody else pays. I know this has always been the Democratic playbook, but I have never seen it as blatant as this election. So why shouldn't they just bribe the superdelegates as well? Might as well be consistent.
Will you agree that the Republicans buy votes with cash (in the form of a tax break/rebate/etc)?
See, this is the sort of question that a conservative would never ask.When you get a tax break, it means you are not having to pay YOUR MONEY to the government. This is not a favor the government is giving to you. It is not their money; it is yours. The philosophy of believing that the government is doing people favors whenever they tax less is exactly what's wrong with the Democratic party.

 
I have to give it to Obama...buying the Superdelegates is "Out-Clinton-ing" the Clintons.

Obama Buys the Superdelegates
This really just exposes how bad the idea of superdelegates are. The money talked about in the article comes from Hilary's and Obama's PACs. This money was given to Democratic candidates over the course of 3 years to help other Dems win elections. John McCain does the same thing with his Straight Talk America PAC. The only difference is that all the Dems elected in the House of Reps are superdelegates, as are many other elected Dem officials. You could actually make the argument that Obama has done a better job of supporting Democrats than Hilary, and neither of them knew at the time that they would be facing this battle for superdelegates that we have today.
Interesting. But also, couldn't they hire random superdelegates to be part of their campaign? Like Icles is a senior guy on Hillary's campaign, and theoretically he's getting paid a lot of money for his work. But he is also a Superdelegate.What's to stop one of them from hiring a 21 year old superdelegate to be a campaign "analyist" (thereby putting money directly into his pocket)? That would be legit under the rules, right? But it is also essentially buying the person off.
As far as I'm concerned, why shouldn't they buy the votes of the superdelegates? They buy the votes of all the other delegates, anyway. Every major campaign promise by both Barack and Hillary amount to a bribe: free medical care, free jobs, free everything and somebody else pays. I know this has always been the Democratic playbook, but I have never seen it as blatant as this election. So why shouldn't they just bribe the superdelegates as well? Might as well be consistent.
Will you agree that the Republicans buy votes with cash (in the form of a tax break/rebate/etc)?
See, this is the sort of question that a conservative would never ask.When you get a tax break, it means you are not having to pay YOUR MONEY to the government. This is not a favor the government is giving to you. It is not their money; it is yours. The philosophy of believing that the government is doing people favors whenever they tax less is exactly what's wrong with the Democratic party.
Long way to answer "no".
 
From Andrew Sullivan. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

Here's Victor Davis Hanson:

Under pressure to produce some facts and specifics, the Obama team is beginning to release a little on the economy, taxes, and new entitlements.

Now the reason I balk at this is that I actually sat through a long Obama speech on taxes last year in Washington. I couldn't get through the details there were so many. It bored the pants off me. The notion that Obama has not released details and specifics on economic policy is a fantasy. It's a product of pundit laziness. The cocoon right seems to believe that because they haven't done their homework, Obama hasn't.

And because Obama actually inspires with oratory, they also assume he doesn't have substance. The premise is that you cannot be inspiring and detailed at the same time. Two words: Why not?

What people fail to understand is that in politics, words are also substance. The ability to inspire people is not inherently a dangerous phenomenon. It is sometimes critical to effective governance. Conservatives used to understand this. Perhaps Churchill's greatest actual weapon was the English language. It did things no bureaucrat, soldier, armament, or policy could do. The core of Ronald Reagan's success was his rhetorical ability to reach over the heads of the Washington process to the people who can force Washington to change: the American people. And I don't recall conservatives decrying the rhetoric of hope reacting to George W. Bush's inspired speeches after 9/11.

Look: flim-flam and emotional hysteria are dangerous things. There are moments when Obama's rhetoric gets the better of his common sense. But the record shows that he also does have common sense - more common sense than Charles Krauthammer or me when it came to predicting the practical consequences of an Iraq occupation. And if a potential president has a head on his shoulders and is able to inspire millions, what on earth is wrong with that?
I like that guy. :goodposting:
 
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Does "oppressive taxes" mean "any amount of taxes more than I'm currently paying"?Our country currently has a huge debt, failing many people in education, not investing in scientific research...basically, we're borrowing money from ourselves and throwing it out the window. What Obama wants to do is to buckle down and actually focus our spending on things that will put us in good shape for the future. Reforming education, rebuilding infrastructure, driving down costs of health care, etc.I realize that for some people it might mean more taxes, but in addition to thinking of them as taxes, it might help to consider them under an Obama presidency as partly an investment in the future of America.
Philosophically, I'm not opposed to this attitude. However, the Fed govt as I understand it is not supposed to pick up all of those jobs. Can you explain to me why, using The Constitution or whatever SCOTUS rulings you wish the Fed govt is obliged or even allowed to pay for all of these things liberals in general want them to pay for? Maybe I can be a full blown liberal if this is the case, I just don't understand that part though and I cannot get past it to embrace the general liberal ideas.
:popcorn:Congress' power to tax and levy for the welfare of the people down?Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1.
Don't be condescending Levin. So you are saying "provide for the general welfare" means the govt can spend the money on anything they wish? I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding the justification of that.
Actually, Obama is proposing a publicly browsable database that shows where all of our tax dollars are going.
 
A little related, but not much...

I was hanging out with the obama girl tonight, damn is she FINE. The host was a couple, the wife is a Penthouse Executive stripper who is a representative for Tera Patrick :goodposting: . My buddy also tells me Bruce Willis just moved in next door to him in the Trump Tower on the UWS. yes my life sucks.

 
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McCain challenges Obama to keep his word on public financing

Sen. McCain challenged his Senate colleague to take public financing.

OSHKOSH, Wisconsin (CNN) – Nearly a year after Barack Obama called on all of his potential general election foes to sign on to a public financing pact, likely GOP nominee John McCain accused the Illinois senator of having a change of heart sparked by his massive fundraising haul.

“It was very clear to me that Sen. Obama had agreed to having public financing of the general election campaign if I did the same thing,” said McCain at a Wisconsin campaign stop Friday. “I made the commitment to the American people that if I were the nominee of my party I would go the route of public financing, I expect Sen. Obama to keep his word to the American people as well.”

Under the agreement, both men would have to forgo private donations entirely in favor of a publicly-funded campaign.

At this point, McCain stands to gain the most from a public financing pledge – Obama has raised nearly three times as much in general election funds. Under the guidelines, both men would be required to return any money they had raised for that contest.

On Friday, Obama seemed to avoid committing to the agreement. "It would be presumptuous of me to start saying now that I'm locking myself into something when I don't even know if the other side is going to agree to it."

Last year, both Obama and his campaign promised to “aggressively pursue” such an agreement with their Republican counterpart. No major party candidate has opted out of the public financing system for the general election since it was created more than three decades ago.

McCain had decided to accept public financing of his primary season campaign last summer – but eventually opted out of the system before accepting funds because it would have limited the amount he would be allowed to spend to $54 million until the Republican Party’s nominating convention this summer.

That scenario promised to seriously handicap his effort if he were to become his party’s nominee and face a well-funded opponent with no spending limits.

–CNN’s Tasha Diakides, Chris Welch and Rebecca Sinderbrand

Well one thing you have to say about Obama he is always changing his views

 
Well one thing you have to say about Obama he is always changing his views
:goodposting: He hasn't agreed or not agreed to anything yet. I think you're right that he'll flip-flop on this, because he would really be hurting himself by agreeing to it. But I don't think we should accuse him of doing so before he's even done anything.
 
McCain had decided to accept public financing of his primary season campaign last summer – but eventually opted out of the system before accepting funds because it would have limited the amount he would be allowed to spend to $54 million until the Republican Party’s nominating convention this summer.

Well one thing you have to say about Obama he is always changing his views
:lmao:
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
So your panties are riding up on you.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..

 
I'm surprised timschochet hasn't been offered a job by the McCain campaign yet. His eloquent apologias on behalf of the senator from Arizona have undoubtedly won the support of many undecided voters around here. If timschochet's gift for even-handed analysis could be harnassed on a national level, McCain could roll to victory in November.

 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
 
I'm surprised timschochet hasn't been offered a job by the McCain campaign yet. His eloquent apologias on behalf of the senator from Arizona have undoubtedly won the support of many undecided voters around here. If timschochet's gift for even-handed analysis could be harnassed on a national level, McCain could roll to victory in November.
I will take your compliments at face value and thank you for them. Senator McCain does not need me to win.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
Well, to each their own.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
Well, to each their own.
I did a parody campaign video for Hillary that suggests she's a deceitful lesbian. Perhaps that might tickle your funny bone.
 
I'm being constantly ripped for even daring to criticize Barack Obama on the McCain thread, and you guys post this slimy youtube video? LOL! If the gloves weren't off before, they are now. Only I will never attempt to misrepresent Obama's views by taking quotes completely out of context, the way this video does. I don't need to resort to this; the senator's own positions clearly stated are outrageous enough to warrant plenty of criticism by thoughtful people.
Panties riding up on you? It's a parody video.
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
Well, to each their own.
I did a parody campaign video for Hillary that suggests she's a deceitful lesbian. Perhaps that might tickle your funny bone.
Sir, since your name and picture remind me of the greatest and funniest parody of anything I have ever seen in my entire life, I'm quite sure I would enjoy anything you do along these lines.
 
LOL

They just had a video on CNN of Hillary at a rally in Wisconsin trying to start a "Yes we will!" chant with her crowd.

:lmao: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :lmao:

I mean, come on... is that the most original thing you can come up with?

 
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
Well, to each their own.
I did a parody campaign video for Hillary that suggests she's a deceitful lesbian. Perhaps that might tickle your funny bone.
Sir, since your name and picture remind me of the greatest and funniest parody of anything I have ever seen in my entire life, I'm quite sure I would enjoy anything you do along these lines.
Oh crap, way too much pressure. You're sure to be disappointed. Besides, I did this thing in late 2006 - it's not very timely.
 
LOL

They just had a video on CNN of Hillary at a rally in Wisconsin trying to start a "Yes we will!" chant with her crowd.

:banned: :lmao: :wub: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I mean, come on... is that the most original thing you can come up with?
I've gotten to where every time I see her speaking, I want to reach through the screen and punch her in the face. It's completely and totally irrational.
 
Oh it is not. It sends a message loud and clear. McCain is a ruthless warmonger who wants to be in Iraq forever and wants to bomb Iran. There is not a bit of humor in that video.
I'm pretty sure I giggled my a## off.
Seriously. If you can't laugh at the sign language chick giving the "We're f###ed" sign, I'm not sure you have a pulse.
That was the best part.
All right that part was sort of funny. But the overall message was so contrived.I'm not against a McCain parody if it is done well. The other day, on the Stephanie Miller radio show, I heard a tremendously hilarious parody of McCain, in a voice just like his, supposedly responding to a Barack Obama speech. It went something like:

"No we can't my friends, no we can't. You want hope? I'll give you straight talk about hope. Hope is a prostitute lying in the gutter near a Hanoi bomb shelter. I've been there, my friends, I've seen it. You want change? Change is when the guy torturing you decides to get new ropes that will cut into you better. It's happened to me, my friends, no we can't..."

I thought that was certainly in poor taste, but very funny..
Yeah, see, that's not funny at all...
Well, to each their own.
I did a parody campaign video for Hillary that suggests she's a deceitful lesbian. Perhaps that might tickle your funny bone.
Sir, since your name and picture remind me of the greatest and funniest parody of anything I have ever seen in my entire life, I'm quite sure I would enjoy anything you do along these lines.
Oh crap, way too much pressure. You're sure to be disappointed. Besides, I did this thing in late 2006 - it's not very timely.
Well it wasn't Spinal Tap. But it had it's moments. Overall :banned:
 
IvanKaramazov said:
I'm surprised timschochet hasn't been offered a job by the McCain campaign yet. His eloquent apologias on behalf of the senator from Arizona have undoubtedly won the support of many undecided voters around here. If timschochet's gift for even-handed analysis could be harnassed on a national level, McCain could roll to victory in November.
;)
 
bigbottom said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
LOL

They just had a video on CNN of Hillary at a rally in Wisconsin trying to start a "Yes we will!" chant with her crowd.

:ph34r: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I mean, come on... is that the most original thing you can come up with?
I've gotten to where every time I see her speaking, I want to reach through the screen and punch her in the face. It's completely and totally irrational understandable.
fixed
 
The Death of an Obasm

By czs

I am having trouble fully appreciating the phenomenon that is Senator Obama. Certainly, Obama’s overpowering charisma has an amazing effect on any listener, such as spontaneous tears or quasi-erotic tingling in one’s leg. (The latter phenomenon is dubbed the "Matthews syndrome” after a man whose capacity for rational thought has been completely destroyed by the syndrome’s effects.) For me, however, any such tingling is immediately recognized and countered by my brain, which forces the nascent Obasm to a premature and unsatisfying conclusion.

Usually, my brain counters the Obasm by asking difficult and disturbing questions. For example, I will begin trembling with excitement when the senator’s magnetic voice rings out with an inspiring, “Yes, we can.” However, as soon as the leg starts tingling, my brain quashes the excitement with nagging questions: “What, exactly, is it that you think we can do? Do you really think we can afford to do that right now? Shouldn’t we take care of our other responsibilities before we start doing it? How are we going to do it, anyway? Are we going to do it your way, like always, or can we do it my way for once?” (Interestingly, my wife uses a similar tactic to quell tingling sensations. She even uses some of the same questions.)

After hearing Obama’s speech this Wednesday at a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, however, I hoped my brain would finally have some satisfactory answers for its persistent questions (and thus permit me to experience more of that leg-tingling goodness). Obama decided to make a tentative foray into substance, laying out some details on where he wants to take the country economically. We learned that Obama’s grand vision of the economic future is… the past. Yes, “the next great chapter in America's story” is, apparently, a manufacturing economy reminiscent of the early twentieth century.

Obama’s foray into substance begins with a description of the utopian manufacturing economy we had once upon a time, in the long, long ago:

It was nearly a century ago that the first tractor rolled off the assembly line at this plant. The achievement didn't just create a product to sell or profits for General Motors. It led to a shared prosperity enjoyed by all of Janesville. Homes and businesses began to sprout up along Milwaukee and Main Streets. Jobs were plentiful, with wages that could raise a family and benefits you could count on.

Later in the speech, Sen. Obama (with trademark optimism) shows us how this utopia has fallen apart over “the last decades”:

[One of the] major economic challenge we have to address is the cost crisis facing the middle-class and the working poor. … It's the result of skyrocketing costs, stagnant wages, and disappearing benefits that are pushing more and more Americans towards a debt spiral from which they can't escape.

The contrast is beautifully rendered, as always – the old, unionized manufacturing economy offered “plentiful” jobs, wages to “raise a family” and benefits “you could count on,” but the modern, post-union service economy offers nothing but “stagnant wages,” “skyrocketing costs,” and “disappearing benefits.” Obama punctuates the message with some of his trademark inspiration, assuring the audience that the change in our economy is “pushing more and more Americans into a debt spiral from which they can’t escape”

(I am excited to see that Obama not only lent substance to his economic vision, but also rhetorically surpassed President Reagan himself. After all, Reagan only had the courage to ask us, “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” Obama has the nerve to go well beyond such short-sighted thinking. “Not only are you worse off than you were four years ago,” says Obama, “you are worse off then you were nearly a century ago.” It don’t know if this rhetoric is hopeful, but it is definitely audacious.)

Obama’s inspirational rhetoric of America’s decline put the tingle back in my leg – and oh, was it good. Unfortunately, my brain was not satisfied, and started picking away with typical Washington-style cynicism (also called “research”). In 1919, the year in which “the first tractor rolled off the assembly line” at the Janesville plant and ushered in the apex of the American economy, the average wage for automobile workers was $0.67 per hour. This equates to an annual salary of approximately $14,000 in today's dollars.

When my brain discovered this, there was hell to pay. “So,” asks my brain, “Is Sen. Obama stating that we were better off in the economy of the early 1900’s? Is $14,000 a year is a wage ‘that could raise a family’? Did 1919 auto workers have ‘benefits you can count on?’”

“No,” I argue to my brain, “Sen. Obama could not be that dense and disingenous. He went to Harvard Law!”

So my brain gives Sen. Obama the benefit of the doubt (as so many do, these days) and assumes that he was actually referring to a later, more prosperous era of the American auto worker. After all, the brain notes, by 1959 the UAW had raised the wage of the auto worker to $2.66 an hour – a salary of $39,000 in today's dollars. That is a wage that could arguably “raise a family” and a job with “benefits you could count on.”

“See,” I say, “Sen. Obama wants to bring the auto workers back to this golden era, before the stagnant wages and skyrocketing costs caused by the Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest and Cheney’s subsidization of corporate greed!”

My brain responds quietly, pointing out that today the average line worker at GM makes $60,000 a year and is granted a staggering array of benefits. “In fact,” states the brain, “we haven’t moved away from some golden era of ‘shared prosperity.’ Auto workers are paid far better now than they ever were.”

“But”, I stammer, “maybe the workers are doing better, but the fat cats that own GM are taking more than their share. Obama said so in the speech: the new economy is one where ‘only a few prosper’ and we need to return to a ‘shared prosperity’ by restoring ‘balance and fairness.’”

My brain responds that that GM lost $2 billion dollars in 2006 and $39 billion in 2007, and asks what profits, exactly, the fat cats should be sharing. “Maybe,” my brain asks, “Obama thinks workers should take pay cuts to help offset the losses. After all, he does talk about ‘shared sacrifice.’”

At this point, my leg stops tingling.

Sensing an opening, my brain goes in for the kill: “The truth is,” sneers my brain, “this is nothing new. Democratic candidates from Teddy Kennedy to Gary Hart to Mike Dukakis have tried to prop up the old manufacturing economy, with its promise of lifelong employment at comfortable middle-class wages. They largely succeeded in their short-term goals, bolstering the unions, increasing wages regardless of corporate performance, and ensuring job security regardless of the quality of the work.”

“But you can’t create a quality product with a government mandate, you can’t unionize workers into productivity, and you can’t regulate an industry into competitiveness. So, the quality of the American auto product declined and the industry lost whatever competitive edge it had. Declining revenue, exacerbated by the burden of oppresive union contracts, eliminated industry profits, and when the profits left, the jobs left with them. The truth is, we simply can’t sustain or create jobs in this country unless we sustain and encourage the profits needed to fund those jobs.”

I know there is a comeback to this. I heard it in Obama's speech. Suddenly, I remember the counter-argument. “Yes, we can,” I proclaim proudly.

“No, you can’t,” my brain sighs.

I had nothing more, and my Obasm died right on the vine - foiled by the pesky logic my brain insists on applying. Obama rightly attacks such logic in his stump speech, referring to it with derision and disgust as “the politics of fear.” However, until my brain can see fit to join Obama's movement and abandon the failed philosophies of the past (i.e. logic and evidence-based argument), I guess I’ll just have to keep taking cold showers and thinking about John McCain.

That will take the tingle out of anybody.

 
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UPDATE: Since we have a pretty good group of FBG's who are Obama supporters, I got a suggestion that we start an FBG campaign donation group that is hosted on Obama's website. Here is the link to donate as an FBG, which will be counted as part of our group of supporters. No benefits go to me for setting it up, or to anyone, but it might be cool to see how we as a group can contribute financially to him getting the nomination and eventually the presidency. We're starting out with a goal of raising $1,000 which isn't that much if we each just chip in a little bit. I know I've donated individually, as well as many of you, but in the future, if we all click through this link above, we can track our impact, so donate today!
If you're so inclined, it'd be cool to have everyone here contribute through that link. Again, I get nothing from this, financially or otherwise.
 

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