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[BuddyKnuckles]

Hillary Clinton 38,401 53.24% 0 Barack Obama 33,723 46.76% 0

this includes 22% of Philly reporting. Not a great sign that even his area of strength is not pushing him into the lead. I guess the miracle victory is out of the question. But, i will be happy with any result within 10 pts

 

[Hammered Finz]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

 

[RedRaiders]

Obama's failure to win the popular vote in a single big state outside of Illinois has GOT to make the Democrats very nervous...

You think NY and CA would go Republican? No chance.The fundraising dollars Obama has raised from those two states compared to Clinton of late is impressive.

 

[adonis]

Hillary Clinton 76,544 51.92% 0

Barack Obama 70,881 48.08% 0

7%

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

if not for the cheesesteaks, i would not have one regret for having moved out of that hellhole of a state

 

[Trey]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

We eventually got our act together and ousted that dbag.I was extremely happy for my first vote ever cast to be for Senator Casey.

 

[cobalt_27]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

if not for the cheesesteaks, i would not have one regret for having moved out of that hellhole of a state

I hope the Caps take down the Flyers tonight to send a message. DC, future home of Obama, fittingly sticking it to Philly, who doesn't know squat about how to pick a candidate for president.

 

[adonis]

eek

Clinton 112,145 55% 28

Obama 93,488 45% 0

10% reporting

 

[ConstruxBoy]

You guys sound like huckabee. Did y'all major in miracles and not math too?

This crap is always what gives me the giggles with democrats.There is a number of delegates that they have to hit to win the nomination. Can he get there without the supers? Can she?Basically, the Obama camp is of the collective opinion that no matter the rules, laws, policies or processes in place, when they want something really bad, they should just be allowed to do it, everyone should accept it and get out of the way, and the world would be a better place.Isn't that close to what you all say you hate about the current guy?

Umm, first, I'm an independent.Secondly, the republicans did it too with huckabee staying in despite the "math" saying he wouldn't win it. He replied that he majored in miracles in college, not math. He lost. Other republicans urged him to drop out.This isn't a republican/democrat issue. It's an issue of politicians not knowing when to call it a game. Huckabee wasn't dividing his party, or being nearly as critical of McCain as Hilary is being of Obama. If Huckabee was causing more trouble, the calls for him to leave would've been louder.

This is really an issue about a guy complaining on a message board that his favorite candidate is having a difficult path, despite the system being exactly what it is. If it's really as obvious as you say it is, then we wouldn't have even needed a primary in Pennsylvania. Stop throwing a fit about a close race.And I'd really like to know what sets you apart from a Democrat. You are an independent? How? You drink up everything Obama says, which is right from a "how to be a Democrat" rulebook.

I think Obama supporters like to give the impression that they are following his lead, being more interested in change and hope and being above the political fighting. That way, they can around having to discuss his political believes or his controversial preacher, etc. In reality, Obama is a left wing Democrat who has no history of being anything other than that, and people are fooling themselves by thinking he's going to get conservatives to buy into his left wing agenda.

This depends on what you mean by conservatives. The social conservatives won't vote for him and weren't going to vote for Clinton either. In fact if they vote for McCain it will be while holding their noses since they were primarily the ones flocking to Huckabee. There are plenty of self-described fiscal conservatives out there who are very much in play for Obama, and there are several examples on this board.

I would question if these people are conservatives then because there's nothing on Obama's policy that isn't liberal.

I'm a conservative and I like Obama. I would vote for him if I wasn't staunchly pro-third party. It's not always about the issues that you see. Some people, like me look for integrity and look to elect people they think won't take advantage of our government.

Glad to see there are other people that don't think a couple of issues should determine their vote.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

eekClinton 112,145 55% 28 Obama 93,488 45% 0 10% reporting

Exactly as expected - 10%.

 

[SofaKings]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win." If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

It definitely allows the seed that has already been planted by his gaffes to germinate.

 

[adonis]

eekClinton 112,145 55% 28 Obama 93,488 45% 0 10% reporting

Exactly as expected - 10%.

Clinton 112,145 55% 28 Obama 93,488 45% 0 10% reporting

 

[SofaKings]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

 

[cobalt_27]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

 

[cobalt_27]

53C/47O; 11%

 

[Hammered Finz]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Per CNN-Super Delegate count so far- Clinton 254 Obama 238

It's not over...

 

[SofaKings]

So it's about 7 or 8 states left and Puerto Rico?

 

[adonis]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Per CNN-Super Delegate count so far- Clinton 254 Obama 238

It's not over...

Super delegates haven't changed since yesterday, correct?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

How did me stating the fact that they put Rick Santorum into office paint anything? Its a reflection upon them. I added no adjectives. Its all there to be seen at face value. Good or bad.

 

[cobalt_27]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Per CNN-Super Delegate count so far- Clinton 254 Obama 238

It's not over...

It is over.But, out of curiosity, would you like to document what the SD count was back in early February?

TIA

 

[timschochet]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

 

[Bamboo Bill]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

 

[Hammered Finz]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

The Supers aren't pledging their support for a reason, and I GUARANTEE they know more than we do...

 

[EBF]

She's going to get slobberknocked in a heads up battle with McCain. I know if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her in November.

Obama might also be facing an uphill battle against McCain, but I think he's much more capable of overcoming a deficit. There are a lot of people like myself who flat out won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

 

[adonis]

I like listening to Rove.

 

[SofaKings]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

Lesser of two evils. I may even stay home depending on who McCain chooses as a running mate. Ideologically I cannot support either Dem.

 

[adonis]

53% 223,967 Clinton

47% 198,908 Obama

% i forgot

 

[cobalt_27]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

What other victories were there to be had after Wright?Every polling shows this is a tired, non-issue. Only McCain supporters and Hillary backers want to keep this dream alive.

ETA: Hillary was polling at a 15pt margin of victory in PA before the whole Wright thing came up. If the results of today remain unchanged or are lower than those previous estimates, will you concede that that issue is irrelevant? (I suppose you won't, but it's a good question how you keep a barometer of its significance)

 

[adonis]

I like listening to Rove.

He's a cocky *******.Watching him on live webstream on foxnews, he's not on TV but is arguing with a dem strategist...good stuff Great stuff really.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This Megan Kelly chick on Fox could get me to vote for a democrat.

 

[SofaKings]

I like listening to Rove.

He's a cocky *******.Watching him on live webstream on foxnews, he's not on TV but is arguing with a dem strategist...good stuff Great stuff really.

Like him or not, he's a smart dude and knows how to break stuff down. Listening to him and Carville and Carville's sidekick whose name I can't recall is a lot of fun!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

56% of Pennsylvania residents are on very very strong, mind altering drugs.

Ok, the poll was, Is Hillary Clinton trustworthy? But it's the same thing.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

Lesser of two evils.

The GWB excuse lives on. Seriously though, you think Barack Obama (the man himself) is evil?

 

[timschochet]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

What other victories were there to be had after Wright?Every polling shows this is a tired, non-issue. Only McCain supporters and Hillary backers want to keep this dream alive.

ETA: Hillary was polling at a 15pt margin of victory in PA before the whole Wright thing came up. If the results of today remain unchanged or are lower than those previous estimates, will you concede that that issue is irrelevant? (I suppose you won't, but it's a good question how you keep a barometer of its significance)

The polling you're referring to is among Democrats. We don't know how it plays out among independents. In truth, we won't know until November.

 

[timschochet]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

Lesser of two evils. I may even stay home depending on who McCain chooses as a running mate. Ideologically I cannot support either Dem.

Better the lesser of two evils, than the evil of two lessers (which is how I see most elections.)

 

[adonis]

I like listening to Rove.

He's a cocky *******.Watching him on live webstream on foxnews, he's not on TV but is arguing with a dem strategist...good stuff Great stuff really.

Like him or not, he's a smart dude and knows how to break stuff down. Listening to him and Carville and Carville's sidekick whose name I can't recall is a lot of fun!

Yep. I'd actually rather listen to the "war room" or "strategy room" whatever it is than the regular broadcast. Back to 53/47 now. 24% reporting

 

[Mark Davis]

She's going to get slobberknocked in a heads up battle with McCain. I know if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her in November. Obama might also be facing an uphill battle against McCain, but I think he's much more capable of overcoming a deficit. There are a lot of people like myself who flat out won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

This is a worse phenomenon for Obama than it is for Clinton currently according to the PA exit polls. 25% of Clinton voters would vote McCain or not vote at all in November if Obama wins. 18% of Obama supporters said the same about Clinton if she is the nominee.

 

[adonis]

I like listening to Rove.

He's a cocky *******.Watching him on live webstream on foxnews, he's not on TV but is arguing with a dem strategist...good stuff Great stuff really.

Like him or not, he's a smart dude and knows how to break stuff down. Listening to him and Carville and Carville's sidekick whose name I can't recall is a lot of fun!

Yep. I'd actually rather listen to the "war room" or "strategy room" whatever it is than the regular broadcast. Back to 53/47 now. 24% reporting

A lot of fun watching them prepare to be on TV...get goofy faces like they're about to pass gas. Cameras move all around, etc.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

Lesser of two evils.

The GWB excuse lives on. Seriously though, you think Barack Obama (the man himself) is evil?

Evil? No.I still don't want him in any position of power over policy in this country.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

She's going to get slobberknocked in a heads up battle with McCain. I know if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her in November. Obama might also be facing an uphill battle against McCain, but I think he's much more capable of overcoming a deficit. There are a lot of people like myself who flat out won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

This is a worse phenomenon for Obama than it is for Clinton currently according to the PA exit polls. 25% of Clinton voters would vote McCain or not vote at all in November if Obama wins. 18% of Obama supporters said the same about Clinton if she is the nominee.

Women scorned. Not good.

 

[adonis]

Hummm, Clinton gets new arguments from these results. Punks.

Gonna compare Obama to Dukakus? Interesting.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

do we really have to have the same debate over and over. This same topic of winning the battleground states has been brought up countless times in this thread alone. And each time it has been shown to mean absolutely nothing. There have been a number of examples in past primaries where the eventual nominee did not win a state, but then won it in the General. It means nothing. It is just Clintonian spin and its a shame (supposedly) intelligent people like you are falling for it

 

[adonis]

Still holding on to about a 10% lead. Curses!

31% in.

 

[EBF]

She's going to get slobberknocked in a heads up battle with McCain. I know if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her in November. Obama might also be facing an uphill battle against McCain, but I think he's much more capable of overcoming a deficit. There are a lot of people like myself who flat out won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

This is a worse phenomenon for Obama than it is for Clinton currently according to the PA exit polls. 25% of Clinton voters would vote McCain or not vote at all in November if Obama wins. 18% of Obama supporters said the same about Clinton if she is the nominee.

The thing about Obama is that he has the capacity to win people over. Did anyone expect him to be ahead when he first announced his intentions to run for President? Now he's going to win the nomination. He's a political phenom. I think you can make a poker analogy. Hillary was like the bad player with the big stack. Obama was like the good player with the short stack. He started out behind, but once they started playing he pulled ahead. I think the same sort of thing could happen in a heads up battle with McCain, whereas I think Hillary would have a zero chance of beating him.

 

[cobalt_27]

She has an argument. You might not like it, but she does. It involves the Superdelegates, and it's a very simple argument, three words she will say over and over: "He can't win."

If I was a superdelegate, this victory would make me wonder. Can he?

Wait a minute. Think of how stupid that sounds (not you...just that sentiment). She is still way down on the delegate count.

She is still way down on the popular vote count.

Why on earth would she think that SHE can win when she can't even assemble the majority support across the country?

Two reasons:1. She's winning the battleground states. The general election is all about the electoral college. If Obama can't win Jews, Hispanics, or blue collar white voters, he loses Florida, the Southwest, maybe Ohio- you get the picture.

2. All of his victories come before Wright. Now his victories will only come in "black" states. She'll argue that if the earlier states had the chance to vote again, the results would be different.

Not saying I agree with this. But they could be convincing arguments.

What other victories were there to be had after Wright?Every polling shows this is a tired, non-issue. Only McCain supporters and Hillary backers want to keep this dream alive.

ETA: Hillary was polling at a 15pt margin of victory in PA before the whole Wright thing came up. If the results of today remain unchanged or are lower than those previous estimates, will you concede that that issue is irrelevant? (I suppose you won't, but it's a good question how you keep a barometer of its significance)

The polling you're referring to is among Democrats. We don't know how it plays out among independents. In truth, we won't know until November.

Wait a minute. Are you seriously implying that the Wright flap would produce REPUBLICANS who would have voted for Hillary or Obama, but now...not Obama because of this? Shirley, you can't be serious.

 

[timschochet]

MSNBC says only 53% of Clinton voters would vote for Obama in the general, vs. 69% of Obama voters would vote for Clinton. This is not good for Obama, if it holds up.

 

[Mark Davis]

She's going to get slobberknocked in a heads up battle with McCain. I know if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her in November. Obama might also be facing an uphill battle against McCain, but I think he's much more capable of overcoming a deficit. There are a lot of people like myself who flat out won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance.

This is a worse phenomenon for Obama than it is for Clinton currently according to the PA exit polls. 25% of Clinton voters would vote McCain or not vote at all in November if Obama wins. 18% of Obama supporters said the same about Clinton if she is the nominee.

Women scorned. Not good.

More than women in the PA polling, seems to be Catholics. It would be interesting to see exit polling by county.

 

[SofaKings]

CNN calling a Clinton victory.. also said Obama didn't do as well in Philadelphia as expected, and many rural counties are yet to report...

Sounds about right. More of the same from the people who put Rick Santorum into office.

As a McCain supporter please continue to paint the electorate as stupid!

Why are you a McCain supporter?

Lesser of two evils.

The GWB excuse lives on. Seriously though, you think Barack Obama (the man himself) is evil?

I believe that his ideas of big gov't is not what this nation needs.