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**Official Bengals Offseason thread 09** (1 Viewer)
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Kirby
Footballguy
Does Housh come back? no
What do we do about the center position? Pray Mack makes it to th 38th spot in the draft.
Is Levi Jones done as a Bengal? yes
How is Palmers arm? It will be fine
will we go offense with the first rounder? If Oher, Smith or Crabtree drop to 6.
Will Benson be back? yes
What do we do about the center position? Pray Mack makes it to th 38th spot in the draft.
Is Levi Jones done as a Bengal? yes
How is Palmers arm? It will be fine
will we go offense with the first rounder? If Oher, Smith or Crabtree drop to 6.
Will Benson be back? yes
Balance
Footballguy
This could be the lamest thing in the nfl. You should get rid of it this offseason.
Pots
Footballguy
What is it even referring to?
cheese
Footballguy
Beer.As for the OP...Does Housh come back? NoWhat do we do about the center position? Really have no idea, but agreed that its a desperate situation that needs adressed.Is Levi Jones done as a Bengal? YesHow is Palmers arm? Finewill we go offense with the first rounder? Yes, a LT or Crabtree will make itWill Benson be back? DefinitelyWhat is it even referring to?
MaddHatter
Footballguy
I am not sure they can part ways with Levi Jones. While the o-line has been abysmal, he was not completely at fault. They should try to keep him IMHO.
Kirby
Footballguy
Anthony Collins is going to be good... Levi is gone.
Banger
Footballguy
I didn't watch a bunch of bengal games this year but it really seems as if their defense has finally turned the corner. How do the Bengal homers feel about the defense going forward?
To me, it seems as if they've solidified their defense, they can get Palmer back and address their line, they may be a candidate for a turnaround in '09. I've got Palmer on my radar for next year so I'll be watching the Bengals offseason closely.
To me, it seems as if they've solidified their defense, they can get Palmer back and address their line, they may be a candidate for a turnaround in '09. I've got Palmer on my radar for next year so I'll be watching the Bengals offseason closely.
cheese
Footballguy
The corners are great. One of the best pairs in the league when Joseph is healthy IMO. This makes the rest of the defense look pretty good as long as the other team actually needs to pass sometimes. The defensive line was hit and miss even though they clearly ended well. The safeties (specifically Ndukwe) should make a lot more plays next year as they seem to have limited responsibilities (in part due to the corners) and are getting better. I still think our linebackers miss a lot of tackles on the good running backs. We have some good Bengals homers on this board that can get more specific.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Ugh. I almost don't care any more.
Priorities
1 Improve the pass rush.
2 Improve the offensive line -- particulary center and tackle.
3 Make smart decisions about the offensive skill players (Housh, Benson, Henry) and coordinator.
Wildcards
1 Carson's health
2 Marvin and the locker room
3 Ocho Cinco
4 MLB presence
There's absolutely nothing in the past 20 years, including the nice 2005 season that would lead you to believe any of those things will be smartly handled.
With regard to NorrisB's post...
I would think Housh really doesn't want to be franchised. This is his chance at a big pay day and he's never been the healthiest player. Muscle strains, back problems, etc. I think he takes a big risk by chancing the Bengals franchising him. On the other hand, he's tough and I don't know that he'll take the Bengals lowballing him after all he's been through here. And what do you do if you're the Bengals? Big money for a WR on the wrong side of 30 who may be breaking down when you've got at least two other viable receivers? Let the most consistent offensive player you have walk and keep two huge question marks at his position? Tough call.
Center? Haven't looked at the free agent lists, but something has to be done here. Ghiaciuc can't handle the bigger defensive tackles in the AFCN and the team knew it at the end of 2007. Makes the Steinbach-Smith-Jones-Anderson decisions look worse every year.
Levi Jones? He's done as a Bengal -- checked out this season and hasn't been productive in over two years -- but his contract looms large. Have to hope a stud offensive tackle slips to six and that Anthony Collins progresses this offseason. Winning those last three games may put a huge dent in the ability to improve the tackle position.
The situation with Palmer's arm is a complete joke. You've got a ligament that could require surgery. Your team is going nowhere. Recovery after surgery isn't a lock, but the odds are strongly on your side. So you screw around all season, get an MRI three months later that determines your fate and introduces the possibility that you'll go another entire offseason without throwing to your WR -- many of whom could be new (again) -- if you do need surgery. It better be fine or the crack in the window is definitively closed with this group.
Benson should be back, hopefully at a reasonable price, with a RB drafted in the middle rounds to back him up and carry the load in the future. I've no confidence that any of those things will happen. I expect Brown to overpay to keep Benson, watch him return to mediocrity, screw up the draft pick or not take a back at all.
Priorities
1 Improve the pass rush.
2 Improve the offensive line -- particulary center and tackle.
3 Make smart decisions about the offensive skill players (Housh, Benson, Henry) and coordinator.
Wildcards
1 Carson's health
2 Marvin and the locker room
3 Ocho Cinco
4 MLB presence
There's absolutely nothing in the past 20 years, including the nice 2005 season that would lead you to believe any of those things will be smartly handled.
With regard to NorrisB's post...
I would think Housh really doesn't want to be franchised. This is his chance at a big pay day and he's never been the healthiest player. Muscle strains, back problems, etc. I think he takes a big risk by chancing the Bengals franchising him. On the other hand, he's tough and I don't know that he'll take the Bengals lowballing him after all he's been through here. And what do you do if you're the Bengals? Big money for a WR on the wrong side of 30 who may be breaking down when you've got at least two other viable receivers? Let the most consistent offensive player you have walk and keep two huge question marks at his position? Tough call.
Center? Haven't looked at the free agent lists, but something has to be done here. Ghiaciuc can't handle the bigger defensive tackles in the AFCN and the team knew it at the end of 2007. Makes the Steinbach-Smith-Jones-Anderson decisions look worse every year.
Levi Jones? He's done as a Bengal -- checked out this season and hasn't been productive in over two years -- but his contract looms large. Have to hope a stud offensive tackle slips to six and that Anthony Collins progresses this offseason. Winning those last three games may put a huge dent in the ability to improve the tackle position.
The situation with Palmer's arm is a complete joke. You've got a ligament that could require surgery. Your team is going nowhere. Recovery after surgery isn't a lock, but the odds are strongly on your side. So you screw around all season, get an MRI three months later that determines your fate and introduces the possibility that you'll go another entire offseason without throwing to your WR -- many of whom could be new (again) -- if you do need surgery. It better be fine or the crack in the window is definitively closed with this group.
Benson should be back, hopefully at a reasonable price, with a RB drafted in the middle rounds to back him up and carry the load in the future. I've no confidence that any of those things will happen. I expect Brown to overpay to keep Benson, watch him return to mediocrity, screw up the draft pick or not take a back at all.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Kirby
Footballguy
The D started to look really good, and only half of it was on the field. Geathers, Joseph, Rivers, and White were all out. I think Zimmer might be for real. Sims was getting better towards the end of the year, so they might be ok at DT. I'm not sure about Odoms, but I don't think they will do anything about it this year. Dahani did well but they need to draft his replacement. I'd like to see them resign Crocker... he was a nice spark.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
The corners and defensive tackle rotation are going in a very good direction. The young safeties got enough playing time to hope for a very good secondary next season.The linebacker situation is okay, but there's not a playmaker in the bunch. A presence in the middle would be very nice, as would some consistent tackling. The pass rush is non-existent and continues to expose the team on third down and keep the corners from making big plays.And there's very little depth anywhere.It was encouraging to see the improvement on third down late in the season and the trend of no longer giving up big plays. The defensive personnel and coordinator are pretty good right now. A consistent pass rush and MLB presence would be huge additions.
Banger
Footballguy
Ya, just looking strictly at the numbers they seem to have made a big jump in pass defense from 26th to 15th. Their run defense has stayed the same year on year. What's impressive though is that the defense made improvements while the normally strong offense tanked. I'd imagine if their offense could return to close to what it was their defense should improve due to less time on the field and the ability to play more one dimensional when they have a lead (which they didn't have very often this year). I'm not as sold as some are on Benson. He played pretty well and definitely better than expected but I view him as a stop gap and not part of a longer term solution. IMO I see him as a 50-50 starter next year and wouldn't be surprised if he stayed or was replaced by a FA or if they drafted someone.
NorrisB
Footballguy
I really like Rey Maualuga, he's had an off the field incident, and his style reminds me a little but of Odell Thurman in that he overpursues sometimes. However the guy is 265 LBs and runs side line to side line like an animal. The guy is one mean mofo, and hits like a truck, he brings much needed meanness to a Bengals defense that lacks an identity. He will be very coveted once the combine is over, and jump to a Patrick Willis like stature.
Anthony Collins looks like he'll be a solid OT, the question is RT, which we could move Whitworth there, and take a G and a C later in the draft.
Anyone hear anything about Brat?
Too much to ask for Marvin to get canned?
Anthony Collins looks like he'll be a solid OT, the question is RT, which we could move Whitworth there, and take a G and a C later in the draft.
Anyone hear anything about Brat?
Too much to ask for Marvin to get canned?
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
so far so good, but I'll feel better if we get Caldwell at pick #6 of round 3. Kinda funny that they did the surprise weight inspection on Andre 2 days ago (he was only about 7 pounds over his playing weight so that's encouraging).
Things I hope to see on day 2:
Caldwell with the 6th pick of round 3.
Crazy as it sounds if they have to draft Huber in round 5 I say do it - the kid's got a cannon for a leg.
A fullback at the top of round 6.
Should be able to get a decent RB and DE at the end of 3 and in early round 4.
Let's cross our fingers.
Who Dey!
-QG
Things I hope to see on day 2:
Caldwell with the 6th pick of round 3.
Crazy as it sounds if they have to draft Huber in round 5 I say do it - the kid's got a cannon for a leg.
A fullback at the top of round 6.
Should be able to get a decent RB and DE at the end of 3 and in early round 4.
Let's cross our fingers.
Who Dey!
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
if we go P last there won't be one worth taking there. Huber's the only guy that jumps out as draft-worthy.Btw, I predict either:1) we take him at 5.06or2) he's gone when it rolls around at 6.06just a feeling-QG
NorrisB
Footballguy
Well ML said he's high on Cook and Santucci so if worse comes to worse we can just go with them but I think one of Caldwell, Luigs or Shipley will be fine. Finding a 10 sack pass rusher later in the draft will be alot harder, no pass rush at all last season and Geathers is coming off micro fracture surgery.
Postradamus
Footballguy
Best 1st day I could ask for as a fan. The rest of the draft is just icing. I would love to have either Johnson or Shonn Green next pick. Caldwell might be there at the end of the round. What's with the punter talk? Did we not just get Plackemeyer?
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Wow, I really like the Bengals draft so far. I never thought those two defensive players would fall so far to them.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
3 great picks so far....Ringer at the end of round 3?
up to this point.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
They must have locked him in his room.
Annnnnd...we got a center! This is unreal.
Annnnnd...we got a center! This is unreal.
Kirby
Footballguy
x2 Probably has the highest floor of any player in the draft.I don't know if Luigs can hold his own vs the big NTs. We'll see. Would have rather had D.J. Moore there.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again. 
NorrisB
Footballguy
1.6. Andre Smith OT2.6. Rey Maualuga LB3.6. Michael Johnson DE3(comp). Chase Coffman TE4.6. Jonathan Luigs CHuge draft, I like every pick.This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
djmich
Footballguy
This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
As a tortured fan I'm glad to see they haven't Bungled this draft up. But these guys haven't put on the stripes yet....we'll see which one's they choose.
Kirby
Footballguy
Kool-aidThis is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I feel like Michael Corleone over here. A friend just woke me up, though. Told me that Mikey Brown was about to give me a kiss on the cheek and end it for good.So....how about this.Andre Smith is a head case that can't hack it outside Alabama. They'll use him at LT and destroy him.Rey Maualuga will never be a viable every down MLB.Michael Johnson will have fewer sacks than Reinard Wilson.Chase Coffman can't play because he can't block for Carson.And Luigs, despite being smarter and able to make the line calls, will still get tossed around like Ghiaciuc.I mean, that's how it's gonna go, right? RIGHT?This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Dominant draft for your boys.... well done.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
I feel like Michael Corleone over here. A friend just woke me up, though. Told me that Mikey Brown was about to give me a kiss on the cheek and end it for good.So....how about this.Andre Smith is a head case that can't hack it outside Alabama. They'll use him at LT and destroy him.Rey Maualuga will never be a viable every down MLB.Michael Johnson will have fewer sacks than Reinard Wilson.Chase Coffman can't play because he can't block for Carson.And Luigs, despite being smarter and able to make the line calls, will still get tossed around like Ghiaciuc.I mean, that's how it's gonna go, right? RIGHT?This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
None of that 'reality' stuff in here. Ask the nurse for a large Kool-aid and relax. 
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Done.I feel like Michael Corleone over here. A friend just woke me up, though. Told me that Mikey Brown was about to give me a kiss on the cheek and end it for good.So....how about this.Andre Smith is a head case that can't hack it outside Alabama. They'll use him at LT and destroy him.Rey Maualuga will never be a viable every down MLB.Michael Johnson will have fewer sacks than Reinard Wilson.Chase Coffman can't play because he can't block for Carson.And Luigs, despite being smarter and able to make the line calls, will still get tossed around like Ghiaciuc.I mean, that's how it's gonna go, right? RIGHT?This is the kind of crap that will get me to root for this team again.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
I'm liking the job Gruden is doing.
A punter, huh? Well, it was an area of need.
A punter, huh? Well, it was an area of need.
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