Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

[Bamac]

Hey geniuses, how do you think Sankey will fare against the 8-men boxes he'll face this season?

Aw, shucks. I don't think anyone's ever called me a genius before. You just made my day.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Hey geniuses, how do you think Sankey will fare against the 8-men boxes he'll face this season?

with Hunter, Wright, Washington and Walker at WR/TE there won't be 8 men in the box often

Those guys with Locker throwing to them will scare DCs I guess.

 

[Catbird]

Note to self: Don't open with "Hey Geniuses ..." when hoping to convince others.

I think Locker throwing to that receiving crew will keep defenses honest. Sankey will have very good blocking and a prime opportunity to prove Brewtown and the believers right. I think the question of whether it takes an elite skill to be elite or you can get there by being good at everything but not looking great at anything is fascinating. Not an owner, but watching with great interest ...

 

[cstu]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

At 4:40 Terrell Davis compares him to McCoy.

 

[werdnoynek]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

Does that make is an accurate comparison? Davis is scouting now?

 

[cloppbeast]

Hey geniuses, how do you think Sankey will fare against the 8-men boxes he'll face this season?

Sankey eats 8-man boxes for breakfast.

Defenses need to put 11 men in the box if they want to contain him.

 

[cstu]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

He did actually play the game so maybe he knows a little something about the position.

 

[werdnoynek]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

That's a true statement but doesn't answer the first question.

 

[cstu]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

I've never seen Sankey do anything resembling what happens in between 0:50 and 1:00. Also what happens in 2:35-2:45 (I know, spin moves are often counterproductive. But still shows amazing agility)

My point being, I disagree that McCoy's film resembles Sankey's film.

We're still comparing Sankey to McCoy? McCoy was renowned for his burst and decisiveness at the point of attack, and then his vision and agility when he got to the 2nd level. The main knocks on McCoy were ball security, pass protection, and whether he had enough body to sustain a heavy workload.

There's no way you can watch Sankey run and see McCoy's strengths as the same favorable attributes in his game. In fact, his decisiveness at the point of attack is questionable and his lack of vision at the 2nd level is a weakness.

At 4:40 Terrell Davis compares him to McCoy.

Does that make is an accurate comparison? Davis is scouting now?

He did actually play the game so maybe he knows a little something about the position.

That's a true statement but doesn't answer the first question.

No idea but he's far more knowledgeable than yours truly making the comparison. Maybe he doesn't have a clue but he's seeing the same things I am in Sankey.

 

[Biabreakable]

They also compare Sankey to Doug Martin. A player I recall folks around here thought didn't look very 'special'

Honestly I feel dummer just trying to understand this "I don't like how he looks" argument. Nothing but real results is going to have any affect on these people and even if Sankey did as well as Doug Martin as a rookie they will likely still not like how he looks then too.

I am not saying he will get the touches to do as well as Martin as a rookie, just that it won't likely change this extremely myopic perspective.

 

[rdrouyn]

They also compare Sankey to Doug Martin. A player I recall folks around here thought didn't look very 'special'

Honestly I feel dummer just trying to understand this "I don't like how he looks" argument. Nothing but real results is going to have any affect on these people and even if Sankey did as well as Doug Martin as a rookie they will likely still not like how he looks then too.

I am not saying he will get the touches to do as well as Martin as a rookie, just that it won't likely change this extremely myopic perspective.

All that matters is results, which there aren't any because he hasnt played a snap in the NFL.

 

[Biabreakable]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

 

[Brewtown]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

There must be a lot of what you call arrogance here at Footballguys because NONE of their prospect/NFL Draft gurus think highly of Sankey..... Add in the many on this draft board and it puzzles me that supposed experts and others deeply entrenched in this hobby can't see just how talented of a runner Sankey is. Add in the high character and work ethic.....????I can't see how anyone would bet against his success....

I think he is going to be a stud and on the cover of many fantasy magazines in two years...

 

[voiceofunreason]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

Apparently not.

 

[MAC_32]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

i take it your point one is production based? Because that's where I disagree. Basing opinions off production in college is a fools game. How did he play? That's where my questions begin and end. I don't think he played that well. Opportunity means more than skill, but it also makes it easier to justify replacing.

 

[Brewtown]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

i take it your point one is production based? Because that's where I disagree. Basing opinions off production in college is a fools game. How did he play? That's where my questions begin and end. I don't think he played that well. Opportunity means more than skill, but it also makes it easier to justify replacing.

Mac - you are missing the boat on Sankey!

He played great - looked good doing it.

He was an absolute workhorse at Washington and he is going to make you and your comments look very bad.

 

[cstu]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

There must be a lot of what you call arrogance here at Footballguys because NONE of their prospect/NFL Draft gurus think highly of Sankey..... Add in the many on this draft board and it puzzles me that supposed experts and others deeply entrenched in this hobby can't see just how talented of a runner Sankey is. Add in the high character and work ethic.....????I can't see how anyone would bet against his success....

I think he is going to be a stud and on the cover of many fantasy magazines in two years...

Mayock had him #1 and said this about him:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said Sankey was his No. 1 back "since I put tape on." Mayock touted Sankey as the best three-down back in this draft and praised Sankey's quickness, his ability to make tacklers miss and his receiving acumen.

The knocks on him seem to be he doesn't cut as well as McCoy and 'only' runs a 4.49. All I can say to that is "so what?" when you factor in all the things he does well.

 

[Biabreakable]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

i take it your point one is production based? Because that's where I disagree. Basing opinions off production in college is a fools game. How did he play? That's where my questions begin and end. I don't think he played that well. Opportunity means more than skill, but it also makes it easier to justify replacing.

All of these categories could be broken down into detailed pieces of course. And we all have different perspectives on how to do that.

For me production from a college RB that I am looking for is how do they run, catch and block. I am looking for a RB who is involved in both the running and passing game because if that translates to the NFL level the RB will be more match up proof even in games where their team is behind.

You could also look at it from the level of competition they played. So I consider the argument that Sankey did not perform well against LSU to be a valid one. Although I did see Sankey make some good plays in that game, he was not able to overcome the adversity of playing against a superior opponent very well. This was also only the 2nd game of Sankey's sophomore season as the starter, and he did have 3 receptions for 30 yards is a losing 41-3 effort where nothing was working on offense for the Huskies.

He did pretty well as the starter in all of his remaining games aside from 3 somewhat bad games against the Trojans, Cougars, and Sun Devils. http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bishop-sankey-1/gamelog/

He was durable and used as a workhorse getting so many carries that some things I have read considered that a negative about him.

So from a production/college performance stand point, I find a lot to like about him.

 

[MAC_32]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

There must be a lot of what you call arrogance here at Footballguys because NONE of their prospect/NFL Draft gurus think highly of Sankey..... Add in the many on this draft board and it puzzles me that supposed experts and others deeply entrenched in this hobby can't see just how talented of a runner Sankey is. Add in the high character and work ethic.....????I can't see how anyone would bet against his success....

I think he is going to be a stud and on the cover of many fantasy magazines in two years...

Mayock had him #1 and said this about him:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said Sankey was his No. 1 back "since I put tape on." Mayock touted Sankey as the best three-down back in this draft and praised Sankey's quickness, his ability to make tacklers miss and his receiving acumen.

The knocks on him seem to be he doesn't cut as well as McCoy and 'only' runs a 4.49. All I can say to that is "so what?" when you factor in all the things he does well.

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes, you really need to have one or the other, if not both. I don't think Sankey has either of those traits. To make up for it he either needs to have home run potential or elite passing game skills. He doesn't have the former, so he is banking on the latter to carve out a career. Otherwise he'll be replaced or have his role decreased.

 

[Brewtown]

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

There must be a lot of what you call arrogance here at Footballguys because NONE of their prospect/NFL Draft gurus think highly of Sankey..... Add in the many on this draft board and it puzzles me that supposed experts and others deeply entrenched in this hobby can't see just how talented of a runner Sankey is. Add in the high character and work ethic.....????I can't see how anyone would bet against his success....

I think he is going to be a stud and on the cover of many fantasy magazines in two years...

Mayock had him #1 and said this about him:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said Sankey was his No. 1 back "since I put tape on." Mayock touted Sankey as the best three-down back in this draft and praised Sankey's quickness, his ability to make tacklers miss and his receiving acumen.

The knocks on him seem to be he doesn't cut as well as McCoy and 'only' runs a 4.49. All I can say to that is "so what?" when you factor in all the things he does well.

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes, you really need to have one or the other, if not both. I don't think Sankey has either of those traits. To make up for it he either needs to have home run potential or elite passing game skills. He doesn't have the former, so he is banking on the latter to carve out a career. Otherwise he'll be replaced or have his role decreased.

I was listening to Sirius before the draft and someone was interviewing a guy from Stats Inc. According to Stats Inc Bishop Sankey led the nation/NCAA in broken tackles last year. He does not go down easy!I've tried to look this stat up after I heard that interview and I could not find it...

 

[MAC_32]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

 

[cstu]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

If we were all always right then this would be a stupid game to play.

 

[MAC_32]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

If we were all always right then this would be a stupid game to play.

nobody is always right, but if you are right about the guys you pick then you will be successful.

 

[Brewtown]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

If we were all always right then this would be a stupid game to play.

nobody is always right, but if you are right about the guys you pick then you will be successful.

What if you are REALLY RIGHT and the guy turns out to be a superstar/fantasy stud for many years?

On the other side - Are you REALLY WRONG if you miss out on nabbing that superstar because you removed him from your board?

I say yes. There are degrees of right and wrong.

Hitting on your prospects is the most important thing a dynasty player can do. These are the important calls of fantasy that we have to make.

 

[Bronco Billy]

These diverse discussions are IMO one of the best parts about the offseason. Speculation is loads of fun, especially when opinions are so scattergun. I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[cloppbeast]

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes

This guys wishes Sankey went down easily.

I searched for a while but couldn't find any good footage of him putting on a decent juke, so you might be on to something there. To his credit, he rarely dances. I found plenty of examples of him getting yards after contact in the open field, one-on-one with a tackler. He doesn't put as much effort into evading tackles as he does getting a few extra yards. There's something to be said for that.

I still think Sankey has some agility though, but he uses it to weave through traffic rather than make moves on defenders. Couple that with his underrated vision and excellent burst, it's easy to see why he finds the second level often against a reasonable opposition. When the defense puts the focus on him though, he's up creek without a paddle. He doesn't handle it very well.

I would compare Sankey to an Emmitt Smith type of runner before a Barry Sanders type. (In style, not in caliber. Settle down.) Less about creating things on his own, more about finding whats blocked and getting further.

 

[rdrouyn]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

If we were all always right then this would be a stupid game to play.

nobody is always right, but if you are right about the guys you pick then you will be successful.

What if you are REALLY RIGHT and the guy turns out to be a superstar/fantasy stud for many years?

On the other side - Are you REALLY WRONG if you miss out on nabbing that superstar because you removed him from your board?

I say yes. There are degrees of right and wrong.

Hitting on your prospects is the most important thing a dynasty player can do. These are the important calls of fantasy that we have to make.

For every rookie evaluation there is basically the same check list.

1. How did they perform in college?

2. How did they perform at the combine?

3. How high were they drafted relative to other players at their position?

4. The situation and opportunity of the team that drafted the player.

Bishop Sankey has had positive results on all four of these evaluating criteria.

To dismiss all of that because in your singular view point that the players does not look special, when it is clear that many other people do like what they see when they watch Sankey?

That is arrogance in the extreme to think that what you see trumps all of the other information available to you.

There must be a lot of what you call arrogance here at Footballguys because NONE of their prospect/NFL Draft gurus think highly of Sankey..... Add in the many on this draft board and it puzzles me that supposed experts and others deeply entrenched in this hobby can't see just how talented of a runner Sankey is. Add in the high character and work ethic.....????I can't see how anyone would bet against his success....

I think he is going to be a stud and on the cover of many fantasy magazines in two years...

Mayock had him #1 and said this about him:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said Sankey was his No. 1 back "since I put tape on." Mayock touted Sankey as the best three-down back in this draft and praised Sankey's quickness, his ability to make tacklers miss and his receiving acumen.

The knocks on him seem to be he doesn't cut as well as McCoy and 'only' runs a 4.49. All I can say to that is "so what?" when you factor in all the things he does well.

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes, you really need to have one or the other, if not both. I don't think Sankey has either of those traits. To make up for it he either needs to have home run potential or elite passing game skills. He doesn't have the former, so he is banking on the latter to carve out a career. Otherwise he'll be replaced or have his role decreased.

What he said. I'd say that even having elite speed can be enough to have great seasons, see Chris Johnson for example. But even there Sankey does not check out 100% in the speed area, with his 1.59 10 yard dash.

For now I remain skeptical until I see him in an NFL context.

 

[rdrouyn]

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes

This guys wishes Sankey went down easily.

I searched for a while but couldn't find any good footage of him putting on a decent juke, so you might be on to something there. To his credit, he rarely dances. I found plenty of examples of him getting yards after contact in the open field, one-on-one with a tackler. He doesn't put as much effort into evading tackles as he does getting a few extra yards. There's something to be said for that.

I still think Sankey has some agility though, but he uses it to weave through traffic rather than make moves on defenders. Couple that with his underrated vision and excellent burst, it's easy to see why he finds the second level often against a reasonable opposition. When the defense puts the focus on him though, he's up creek without a paddle. He doesn't handle it very well.

I would compare Sankey to an Emmitt Smith type of runner before a Barry Sanders type. (In style, not in caliber. Settle down.) Less about creating things on his own, more about finding whats blocked and getting further.

The guy tackling him is supposedly 6'0" and 200 pounds? He looks smaller than Sankey...

Anyway since we are posting clips now, lets see Sankey's jukes and open field speed in action against Stanford. Doesn't look like great vision either.

That was kind of a cheap shot, but see that whole Stanford game, its pretty bad for Sankey.

 

[Biabreakable]

Sure here is that whole game- http://draftbreakdown.com/video/bishop-sankey-vs-stanford-2013/

At the 3 min mark or so of this video they are reaching the 3 min mark of the 1st half down by 10 points. This is when Sankey starts warming up as said by the announcer. He manages to get some nice runs and a couple 1st downs to extend the drive which he finishes with a TD so they are only down by 3 points going into the half. I saw him get skinny in a lot of traffic on that TD run. A defender is pursuing him in the backfield but he manages to hit the crease at just the right time so he was able to score the TD.

In the second half he starts out strong with a good run after the catch reception and then at the 4 min mark a big run where he makes some shifty moves and uses his blocker well, timing the play and showing good vision and a feel for where the defenders will be.

He has another nice run at the 5 min mark, after a bad run he tried to bounce outside.

Then at the 5:24 mark Sankey has another TD run where he uses his blockers well. Runs through a tackle but keeps his balance by using his hand (a similar technique you see people getting excited about from Christine Michael) to keep his knee from touching the ground and finishes the run for the TD.

On the next drive he has a nice run where he beats 3 downhill pursuers to the outside.

He has some more bad runs where he is being met by defenders in the backfield. On one of these t the 6 min mark he does make the 1st defender miss, to get back to the Los where he is met by another defender who takes him down.

At the 6:30 mark he has a run that only gets 4 yards, but he shifts and makes the 1st defender miss, to be fair that defender was getting blocked in the back a bit after he beat his man, setting up his blocks and showing good vision and effort again.

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

His stats in this game were 27 carries 125 yards 4.6ypc 2TD 5 receptions 21 yards 4.2ypc/ reception.

 

[Brewtown]

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes

This guys wishes Sankey went down easily.

I searched for a while but couldn't find any good footage of him putting on a decent juke, so you might be on to something there. To his credit, he rarely dances. I found plenty of examples of him getting yards after contact in the open field, one-on-one with a tackler. He doesn't put as much effort into evading tackles as he does getting a few extra yards. There's something to be said for that.

I still think Sankey has some agility though, but he uses it to weave through traffic rather than make moves on defenders. Couple that with his underrated vision and excellent burst, it's easy to see why he finds the second level often against a reasonable opposition. When the defense puts the focus on him though, he's up creek without a paddle. He doesn't handle it very well.

I would compare Sankey to an Emmitt Smith type of runner before a Barry Sanders type. (In style, not in caliber. Settle down.) Less about creating things on his own, more about finding whats blocked and getting further.

The guy tackling him is supposedly 6'0" and 200 pounds? He looks smaller than Sankey...

Anyway since we are posting clips now, lets see Sankey's jukes and open field speed in action against Stanford. Doesn't look like great vision either.

That was kind of a cheap shot, but see that whole Stanford game, its pretty bad for Sankey.

A memorable juke that I remember was his 2nd TD in the Fight Hunger Bowl game (his last college game). One of the replay angles showed the juke very well. Couple of guys were separated from their Jocks...His change of direction is second to none, and he makes it look easy...

Link below at 2:15 is the replay that I was referring to.

 

[Bronco Billy]

A memorable juke that I remember was his 2nd TD in the Fight Hunger Bowl game (his last college game). One of the replay angles showed the juke very well. Couple of guys were separated from their Jocks...

His change of direction is second to none, and he makes it look easy...

Well, if that's what you see there I understand completely why you have such a high opinion of Sankey.

 

[Brewtown]

A memorable juke that I remember was his 2nd TD in the Fight Hunger Bowl game (his last college game). One of the replay angles showed the juke very well. Couple of guys were separated from their Jocks...

His change of direction is second to none, and he makes it look easy...

Well, if that's what you see there I understand completely why you have such a high opinion of Sankey.

To each his own... I thought it was a very sweet juke to the right without stopping his progress.He showed Van Noy a foot - took it away and Van Noy (pretty good defensive player) chased where the foot was no longer - while Sankey ran into the end zone.

 

[MAC_32]

Hitting on your prospects is the most important thing a dynasty player can do. These are the important calls of fantasy that we have to make.

Exactly. I'm not convinced Sankey is a hit. So I didn't target him. You can bang the Sankey drum all you want, and you have, you're not going to change my mind right now. I imagine others that watched a lot of him in college too. I was not surprised he had a strong combine, that was a little better than I thought he would do though. I can't get past the game tape. Usually that's a good thing, but there are times it bites me. Figure out where I erred, make the correction, and move on.

Anyway, I've got to see how he translates to the NFL before putting any stock in him. If he is cheap enough in redrafts I'll consider him, but I don't expect that to happen. Maybe next year.

 

[cloppbeast]

I don't like running backs that go down easily and don't have jukes

This guys wishes Sankey went down easily.

I searched for a while but couldn't find any good footage of him putting on a decent juke, so you might be on to something there. To his credit, he rarely dances. I found plenty of examples of him getting yards after contact in the open field, one-on-one with a tackler. He doesn't put as much effort into evading tackles as he does getting a few extra yards. There's something to be said for that.

I still think Sankey has some agility though, but he uses it to weave through traffic rather than make moves on defenders. Couple that with his underrated vision and excellent burst, it's easy to see why he finds the second level often against a reasonable opposition. When the defense puts the focus on him though, he's up creek without a paddle. He doesn't handle it very well.

I would compare Sankey to an Emmitt Smith type of runner before a Barry Sanders type. (In style, not in caliber. Settle down.) Less about creating things on his own, more about finding whats blocked and getting further.

The guy tackling him is supposedly 6'0" and 200 pounds? He looks smaller than Sankey...

Anyway since we are posting clips now, lets see Sankey's jukes and open field speed in action against Stanford. Doesn't look like great vision either.

That was kind of a cheap shot, but see that whole Stanford game, its pretty bad for Sankey.

You must not have read my entire post.

 

[Bronco Billy]

A memorable juke that I remember was his 2nd TD in the Fight Hunger Bowl game (his last college game). One of the replay angles showed the juke very well. Couple of guys were separated from their Jocks...

His change of direction is second to none, and he makes it look easy...

Well, if that's what you see there I understand completely why you have such a high opinion of Sankey.

To each his own... I thought it was a very sweet juke to the right without stopping his progress.He showed Van Noy a foot - took it away and Van Noy (pretty good defensive player) chased where the foot was no longer - while Sankey ran into the end zone.

It sounds like I'm being flippant, which was not my intent. When I watch the play you cite in your link, I don't see anything special by Sankey. The play is designed to go inside and BYU collapses the whole left side. But the LB and the S overrun the play, with the LB stuck in the trash and the S stacked. That overrun created a gaping cutback lane which coincidentally was the only place for Sankey to go with the left side collapsed.

To his create, Sankey did recognize he had nowhere to go and shifted to the wide open lane to the right, but had not both the LB and the S not overplayed, they both would have been waiting there unblocked.

Sankey IMO did not create the overreaction by the second level D guys, the flow of the play did. Like I said, Sankey is a good enough runner that he took advantage where it was given, but on your cited play I see a situation where a lot of decent RBs score.

 

[cloppbeast]

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

I can really understand criticisms of Sankey's power and open field moves. He doesn't get around defenders often, and he will get stopped in his tracks. But I can't accept any knocks on his vision - it may be the only thing he has going for him.

 

[MAC_32]

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

I can really understand criticisms of Sankey's power and open field moves. He doesn't get around defenders often, and he will get stopped in his tracks. But I can't accept any knocks on his vision - it may be the only thing he has going for him.

I think those picking the vision battle are nitpicking. He is far from perfect, but he is ahead of where most runners are at this stage of their career.

 

[cloppbeast]

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

I can really understand criticisms of Sankey's power and open field moves. He doesn't get around defenders often, and he will get stopped in his tracks. But I can't accept any knocks on his vision - it may be the only thing he has going for him.

I think those picking the vision battle are nitpicking. He is far from perfect, but he is ahead of where most runners are at this stage of their career.

I loved his vision, before about 3 minutes ago. That's when I saw this play, where to me he misses an obvious MAC truck sized hole.

I used to like this kid before I re-re-watched the Stanford game. To be fair, it was by far his worst, against a good defense. But still...

 

[MAC_32]

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

I can really understand criticisms of Sankey's power and open field moves. He doesn't get around defenders often, and he will get stopped in his tracks. But I can't accept any knocks on his vision - it may be the only thing he has going for him.

I think those picking the vision battle are nitpicking. He is far from perfect, but he is ahead of where most runners are at this stage of their career.

I loved his vision, before about 3 minutes ago. That's when I saw this play, where to me he misses an obvious MAC truck sized hole.

I used to like this kid before I re-re-watched the Stanford game. To be fair, it was by far his worst, against a good defense. But still...

Inconsistent vision/instincts is a step up from where most are right now though. Development is the key, especially for a guy without special traits on the field. It's not something I usually bet on, which is another reason why I've steered clear.

 

[cstu]

This is the same game that Matt Waldman criticized in his article I posted earlier on in this thread. I have watched that game several times by now. That is why I take issue with his criticisms during that game. Because there are clear examples, at least to me that Sankey does have vision of defenders at the second level of the defense. Many of these plays are blown up in the backfield as the offensive line seems poorly matched for the defense.

I can really understand criticisms of Sankey's power and open field moves. He doesn't get around defenders often, and he will get stopped in his tracks. But I can't accept any knocks on his vision - it may be the only thing he has going for him.

I think those picking the vision battle are nitpicking. He is far from perfect, but he is ahead of where most runners are at this stage of their career.

I loved his vision, before about 3 minutes ago. That's when I saw this play, where to me he misses an obvious MAC truck sized hole.

I used to like this kid before I re-re-watched the Stanford game. To be fair, it was by far his worst, against a good defense. But still...

Inconsistent vision/instincts is a step up from where most are right now though. Development is the key, especially for a guy without special traits on the field. It's not something I usually bet on, which is another reason why I've steered clear.

Waldman pointed out a few bad plays from the Stanford game. Stanford had one of the best run defenses and allowed only 2.9 YPC last year. Despite that, Sankey had 27/145/2 (4.6 YPC) and 5 catches against them.

 

[Gandalf]

I am on board the Sankey train. I liked him in college, then he did well at the combine, and then he landed in a good spot. RB2 with upside.

 

[Brewtown]

A memorable juke that I remember was his 2nd TD in the Fight Hunger Bowl game (his last college game). One of the replay angles showed the juke very well. Couple of guys were separated from their Jocks...

His change of direction is second to none, and he makes it look easy...

Well, if that's what you see there I understand completely why you have such a high opinion of Sankey.

To each his own... I thought it was a very sweet juke to the right without stopping his progress.He showed Van Noy a foot - took it away and Van Noy (pretty good defensive player) chased where the foot was no longer - while Sankey ran into the end zone.

It sounds like I'm being flippant, which was not my intent. When I watch the play you cite in your link, I don't see anything special by Sankey. The play is designed to go inside and BYU collapses the whole left side. But the LB and the S overrun the play, with the LB stuck in the trash and the S stacked. That overrun created a gaping cutback lane which coincidentally was the only place for Sankey to go with the left side collapsed.

To his create, Sankey did recognize he had nowhere to go and shifted to the wide open lane to the right, but had not both the LB and the S not overplayed, they both would have been waiting there unblocked.

Sankey IMO did not create the overreaction by the second level D guys, the flow of the play did. Like I said, Sankey is a good enough runner that he took advantage where it was given, but on your cited play I see a situation where a lot of decent RBs score.

It's not a simple as you are making it seem. The quick cut/juke to the right was all Sankey. It happened real fast so you may have missed it.

Watch the replay from behind...

 

[Brewtown]

Spin Doctors: C.J. Spiller vs. Andre Ellington vs. Bishop Sankey

By Brad Evans

Jul 2, 2014 3:25 PM

Roto Arcade

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Scott believes Spiller won't be so toxic in 2014.

Decisions, decisions. Fantasy owners are constantly faced with them. In Rounds 3-4 of most 12-team drafts, owners interested in acquiring an RB2 will have to make a tough choice. In today's royal rumble, Scott Pianowski, Brad Evans and Brandon Funston go toe-to-toe over rushing curiosities C.J. Spiller, Andre Ellington and Bishop Sankey.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Let the body slams begin ...

Scotty snacks on some Buffalo wings: The first thing to recognize with Spiller is that we're chasing an established upside, not a theoretical one. He was fantasy's No. 7 back in 2012, averaging a ridiculous 6.0 yards a carry. We've seen how good he can be at his best. And entering his Age-27 season (and a contract year, if that matters to you), I'd like to be invested again.

Even a down season from Spiller is still pretty darn good. Although he was held back last year by a persistent ankle problem (not to mention Doug Marrone's learning curve in Buffalo), Spiller still averaged 4.6 yards per tote and was a reasonable flex play most weeks. And we started to see vintage Spiller down the stretch, when his body (and the Buffalo game plan) finally cooperated. He posted 157 total yards and two scores in Week 13 against Atlanta, and he threw 133 yards at the Patriots in the season finale. His YPC for the second half of the year was over five.

Fred Jackson is still around, but come on - he's 33. Bryce Brown is also in town, though his flaws were well exposed in Philadelphia (the Eagles gave him away for almost nothing). Just about everything that could go wrong for Spiller last year did. No worries, we'll enjoy the discount this time around.

Although Spiller won't get the cheap goal-line scores that many other backs do, he'll do enough from outside the 5 to keep you happy. This is the rare player who can score from anywhere on the field, in a variety of ways.

Spill the wine. Take that back.

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Defenders will be hard-pressed to catch Ellington this year

The Noise gets all hot and bothered in the desert: Nuclear in nature, generally unchallenged and slated to be a featured player in an emerging offense – Ellington possesses the most upside in this exercise.

The former sixth-round pick’s career changed Week 11 versus Atlanta. Against an unstable defense the rookie left Falcon after Falcon in his dust finishing with 162 yards and a touchdown on just 17 touches. The highlight: On a simple belly run, he shuttled toward the hole, saw two defenders, jump cut outside and was off to the races for an 80-yard scoring splash.

That seminal moment encapsulated what Ellington accomplished, in spurts, throughout 2013. According to Pro Football Focus, no rusher in the entire league, not Jamaal Charles, not LeSean McCoy, not Adrian Peterson had a higher percentage of his runs go for 15 or more yards (47.9 percent of his yards gained came on runs of 15-plus yards). Shifty, slippery and almost ghost-like in the open field, he also notched the fourth-best elusive rating among RBs with at least 100 attempts. Overall, his 0.32 fantasy points per snap ranked top-15 no matter position. Throw in his excellent receiving skills, and, suffice it to say, Ellington is an emerging three-down dreamboat.

Bruce Arians’ revelation in May his young rusher will receive 25-30 touches per game was steeped in sarcasm. The media, which has badgered the often snarky coach about Ellington’s workload, was merely throwing a bone. Additional speculation from the Cardinals' website the RB will log 20-22 carries per game is also a stretch. Though he has minimal competition, 16-18 touches per game are most realistic, with a significant chunk of that action coming in the pass game. If he nets roughly 5.0 yards per touch, an easy accomplishment considering what he achieved last year, you’re talking about a 1,400-1,500 total yard RB.

Yes, Arizona’s offensive line, even with the addition of Jared Veldheer, remains a work in progress, but the Cards’ stiff defense certainly helps Ellington’s cause. Having Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd to stretch the field also doesn’t hurt. Spiller and Sankey wish they had that kind of downfield firepower to alleviate the pressure. They would also kill for a competent QB.

Don’t worry about his smallish size and tough division, Andre is sure to be a fantasy giant this fall.

Funbags plays the homer card: Let's start this exercise off up-front with the guys that will be blocking for these running backs. Looking at last season's run blocking grades on ProFootballFocus, Tennessee netted out as the fourth-best unit in the league, whereas both Arizona and Buffalo finished among the bottom eight. It helps that the Titans are in a division where all three of the other teams ranked in the bottom 10 in the league in rushing yards per game allowed. It's a great situation for Sankey to land, and the fact that Shonn Greene, at age 29 and coming off two knee surgeries in the past 10 months, is Sankey's main competition for playing time makes things even better for the rookie.

Sankey, equipped with all the requisite skills to be a featured back, should be the favorite among this trio to lead in touches per game. And he's likely to get the key money carries down at the goal line that the other two backs most likely won't see. Last season, Spiller handle one carry inside the 5-yard line while teammate Fred Jackson amassed 15 such carries. As for Ellington, he didn't take a single handoff inside the 5 (that's out of 118 total carries). Expect Jonathan Dwyer to get the point blank shots for Arizona.

Sankey's not an abovious short yardage option given that he's only 5-foot-9, but he has at least 10 pounds on the other two, and as demonstrated with 26 bench press reps at the combine (second-best among all RBs), he's likely the strongest of these backs. Sankey was a strong between-the-tackles runner at the University of Washington, averaging more than 300 carries and scoring a total of 36 rushing touchdowns in the past two seasons.

I suspect that all three of these backs will compile comparable yards from scrimmage totals, but it's Sankey's higher TD upside that will carry him to a higher rung on the fantasy ladder.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/spin-doctors--c-j--spiller-vs--andre-ellington-vs--bishop-sankey-151628265.html

 

[Faust]

More on Bishop Sankey

 

[DropKick]

You trust him. Great. Go get him. We get it.

I don't. It's based on what I saw. I prefer to roster players I do trust.

It's perfectly normal and believe it or not ok to disagree, especially regarding a subjective game like football.

If we were all always right then this would be a stupid game to play.

nobody is always right, but if you are right about the guys you pick then you will be successful.

Obviously, you haven't met my wife...

 

[rdrouyn]

More on Bishop Sankey

Interesting read. Hadn't really thought about Tennessee's lack of success drafting RBs but it could be a counter to the whole first RB being drafted argument.

 

[Brewtown]

Lack of success drafting RBs?

They've had CJ2K for a while now... He was pretty good...

 

[John Paul]

That Tennessee OL is talented. I think CJ's lack of effort the last few seasons has sandbagged their prowess. If Sankey is determined, this could be a nice rookie season for him.

 

[cstu]

Lack of success drafting RBs?

They've had CJ2K for a while now... He was pretty good...

RB's drafted first 3 rounds in the last 20 years by the Titans:

Eddie George

Chris Brown - led the league in YPC his first year starting, career derailed by injuries

LenDale White - fat, still had an 1100 rushing season

Chris Henry - workout warrior with no college production who the Titans reached on

Chris Johnson

Bishop Sankey

 

[nirad3]

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