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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (3 Viewers)
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rdrouyn
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
And if he drinks the crap out of it you hit big.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I'm curious. If the comments are indeed manufactured (read: intentionally false), what do you percieve the intention to be? Do you see some financial gain or some underhanded increase in credibility that makes the author disparage Sankey in what you consider to be an unsupportable and untruthful manner ?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I like Sankey, and have not read Matt's comments, but labeling them "manufactured" shows more of a bias than Matt's analysis likely has.
I think Sankey can (will) be a successful back, but let's not pretend he doesn't have any flaws or that there's no possibility that he busts. Any analysis that takes place before a player hits the field is going to be subjective for the most part.
Matt is selling a product, surely he's not going to manufacture negative comments. It would be pretty counterproductive if Sankey went on to be a stud RB.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I agree with your post here entirely, even though I am a bit more skeptical about Sankey's likelihood to ascend to bellcow status. I see him much more likely as a 1a in a RBBC, much like I see Bernard. That means he'll still have very good value in most FF formats.
Hey Smiley Face and Howard Stern- listen to Grizzly Adams for yourself :
Go to 2:29:39
Matt ranked Sankey the #4 RB and #14 prospect... ZERO optimism in his comments.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I really don't care what was said. I'd like you to answer my question. What is Waldman's motivation for intentionally misrepresenting the facts about Sankey as you accused him of doing?
Of course schtick : )
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Thanks for admitting that. That's right - you don't know. But you're certainly willing to take that step off the edge, aren't you?
Your devotion to Sankey is commendable, right up to the point that it becomes completely irrational when you accuse others of stupidity at the least ramping up to accusations of unethical behavior when they don't follow your lead and utterly ignore anything remotely negative about him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I listened. Matt doesn't like Sankey, obviously - why is it manufactured (i.e. not genuine)?
And YOUR avatar is a smiley face??
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Heaven forbid - he ask himself "what am I missing?". He immediately - seconds after he is the first back off the board - says the Titans scouts are idiots for selecting him. Hearing that was very telling to me.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
That's your defense of your position? Picking at the avatar of the person on the other side of the discussion?
How old are you?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well what he says is that their scouts have missed on a lot of RBs ever since Eddie George retired, which is true - although he seems to lump Chris Johnson into the Chris Henry and Lendale White bucket which is perhaps a little "forced".
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Did Waldmann actually call the TEN staff idiots as was claimed? I'm at work and can't listen.
It would not surprise me, sadly, after watching him play the race card on Bridgewater dropping.
It's one thing if you have high confidence in your position and can support it, that you exhibit that confidence. It's entirely a different matter when you decide that you need to stoop to a personal level to diminish others only because their opinion is differing - and in something as subjective and unpredictable as projecting rookie success in the NFL opinions should be expected to differ, sometimes wildly differ.
It's especially disappointing that someone who is paid to be an expert shows such utter unprofessionalism - and Waldmann isn't the only FBG staff member claiming to be a draft expert who does this. If you're going to claim expertise and take pay to do so, expectations rise significantly.
That said, it's especially odd to watch brewtown complain relentlessly about it when he is even more egregiously exhibiting the same behavior with anyone who disagrees with him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No. He chuckled at the selection - all 3 FBG guys didn't like the pick. Then he took the route I stated above - saying while its a new regime in Tennessee they do likely employ the same scouts that were in favor of drafting guys like Henry, White, Javon Ringer.
massraider
Footballguy
I just learned everything I need to know about that guy.
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I'm not an avid Sankey advocate - obviously - but taking him where TEN did, knowing they have a power RB in place already that they seem to like, and having the O-line they do and wanting to help their QB with a stronger running game as well as a pass catcher, I have a hard time thinking the pick was outlandish.
Sankey wouldn't have been my pick there either, but I get why a staff might like him quite a bit and there's logic that I can see in the pick.
cstu
Footballguy
Back to the the "manufactured" issue, I'll reiterate what I've said before - everyone has biases. I've been guilty of not liking a player and finding (i.e. manufacturing) reasons to justify it. To one person those reasons would be "manufactured" and to another they would be fair.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Very true... the OP's constant barrage of pro-Sankey hyperbole is likely why my dislike of him has reached the point where I'll avoid drafting him for the rest of my fantasy career.
rdrouyn
Footballguy
lol wut? #4 running back is hate? you do realize there are other rbs in this class right?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Career?werdnoynek said:
werdnoynek
Footballguy
A career is normally defined as a period of time spent in a job... to expound on that, a job is normally defined as a the work that a person does regularly in order to earn money.
Given the above definitions - I'd say that if you spend a decent amount of time on fantasy football and make some money doing so... it would be considered a career.
Any other questions?
cstu
Footballguy
Forget who said it, 1 of these pundits on Espn i believe but said he's a mix of Rice/Doug Martin and watching alot of his highlights, thats exactly who he looks like. More so Ray Rice as far as build goes. He's def the 1st rookie back i'd be taking this year. Love the fact he's a 3-down back with great hands to boot. PPR leagues, this kid is already a legit RB2
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am pretty sure that is John Lennon not Howard Stern in your avatar?Dr. Octopus said:Brewtown said:
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
He doesn't know who Miles Davis is either...I am pretty sure that is John Lennon not Howard Stern in your avatar?Dr. Octopus said:Brewtown said:
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It is.I am pretty sure that is John Lennon not Howard Stern in your avatar?Dr. Octopus said:Brewtown said:
I hope this is schtick - but based on many past comments of yours I've read, I'm guessing it isn't.
Noah Davis
Footballguy
werdnoynek said:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
What round was he taken the year he was drafted into the circuit?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Ringer never got much of a chance and when he did, he played well.
Lendale did fine. He got fat and how were they to know? His offseason conditioning was non-existent and his laziness cast him out of the league. Drafting a 1000 yard back isn't a bad pick and shortly after 1000 he was a fine goalline back. That was it for him, quick career done so fast. I don't blame them for drafting a 1000 yard back. People here loved to bash on Lendale's weight and I get that part of human nature but he did produce some before he became so overweight.
Chris Henry was a horrible pick and I've never seen a RB lack vision as much as him. He about literally just ran straight ahead regardless if an offensive or defensive player was there.
Travis Henry was a bad free agent signing. They spent a bunch on him after George and he was damaged goods that wound up being damaged. Shonn Green has been eerily similar.
CJ has led to a whole lot of draft reviewers lying. Soooo many claim they had him as a top back and they flat out didn't. I don't recall where Matt stood on CJ. He was an excellent pick.
After Travis, they had two RB prospects that they sent to NFLE for some seasoning and they did very very well. I want to guess top and third best RB in NFLE that year. They seemed to have a good plan. Both RBs didn't receive much practice time and barely played in preseason. One had over 100 (with a long run) yards in a few minutes of play and there were articles how he'd get more time now. That followed with an injury that ended his career. I was annoyed with them. They spent some time on player development then didn't take the final step to see the results in a game. The other back signed with KC and IIRC he was on their roster a few years but never got a chance.
Jarrett Payton was not a good player but had a great attitude and demeanor. Fisher gave him too much love because of his father and...so be it. Maybe this was wrong but I bet there's a million NFL fans that would do the same with Walter's son.
I haven't noticed Matt's comments, but I saw some in the FBG email that were curious. One stood out to me that was something along the lines of a drafted QB wasn't going to do well and had no upside. That seemed harsh. I think it's the nature of the beast though. They evaluate players so much and then cast futures upon them and it just happens as a result. I think most of us do this in FF late in the summer too. Have you ever heard negativity on a 15th-18th round pick in an FF chat room? This seems similar.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I don't think I've ever agreed with everything a writer/analyst has said FBG or not. The best thing about Waldman is that he's so transparent... He puts all his reasoning out there. IIRC Waldman is Titans fan... He knows them and their ways. According to him, they took a guy they felt filled a need, but the situation may not as rosy as it seems. His reasoning is sound IMO. People continue to look past Sankey's abilities and more importantly his flaws and look at the seemingly perfect situation. It's clear he's going to get every opportunity to succeed but will he? I agree we need to think about Greene and more importantly McCluster. IMO, a (2013) Mathews role is is his ceiling in Tennessee this year. He's too uncreative to be a three down back in the NFL. Going with my gut, he's going to start out with the carries and opportunities, but they'll slowly ween him away when he doesn't impress. McCluster will play the Woodhead role and will be the back to own in PPR IMO. Greene will get the short yardage and goal line carries. Sankey will have a chance at yards but not much else. I'll go with under 750 yards and under 5 TDs, under 30 receptions.
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yes. I think he'll be going first 5 rounds come September, but #27 overall a bit steep. 27 overall you're taking him as your franchise core. Like most rookies coming into the league, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him as a supporting guy.
He was drafted as the 15th RB. JMO I think there's minimal chance he finishes at that mark in a non-PPR league. JMO He's more of a RB3/4 guy that you hope performs at RB2 level in a non-PPR league.
I thought Spiller was just as bad of pick a few picks later. I don't see Jackson going away on 3rds&goalline.
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Biabreakable
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Best thing about that is the links to all the cut ups of his games.
