Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (2 Viewers)

[jurb26]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

Exactly. Also Sankey had the best 3 cone dril of all the RB's at the combine and his 3 cone drill was better than most WR's including Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, O'Dell Beckham and company. Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

Running backs have taken a value hit by most NFL teams as far as where and when they are drafted in the NFL draft. I think this has directly related to the questions and concerns fantasy owners have with how good a RB is or might be in the NFL. Many felt Eddy Lacy should have been a 1st round pick yet he fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL draft. Running backs just don't seem to have the value they once did to an NFL franchise. Many teams would rather wait on a rb rather than draft guys in the 1st round and miss like rRchardson, Ingram, Wilson and company.

The truth is Sankey is every bit as good as any rookie RB to come out in the last while as far as being a complete package. He passes all of the tests and anyone trying to claim other wise either has an agenda and or are searching for there "I told you so" moment. In one of the deepest drafts in recent memories, with running backs value at an all time low Sankey was the 1st running back taken and the 54th player off the board. There are plenty of good reasons that have been stated time and time again throughout this thread that explain why. There really does not seem to be much of a counter argument other than subjective feelings about Sankey stating why he won't be good.

It can also be argued that Sankey as far as offensive skill players go is as much of a can't miss prospect as anyone coming out of this draft class including Watkins. Now, I don't think this means Sankey should have been a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, but more so his bust potential is extremely low and his chance of being really good is quite high.

 

[Bob Magaw]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

Exactly. Also Sankey had the best 3 cone dril of all the RB's at the combine and his 3 cone drill was better than most WR's including Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, O'Dell Beckham and company. Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps. Running backs have taken a value hit by most NFL teams as far as where and when they are drafted in the NFL draft. I think this has directly related to the questions and concerns fantasy owners have with how good a RB is or might be in the NFL. Many felt Eddy Lacy should have been a 1st round pick yet he fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL draft. Running backs just don't seem to have the value they once did to an NFL franchise. Many teams would rather wait on a rb rather than draft guys in the 1st round and miss like rRchardson, Ingram, Wilson and company.

The truth is Sankey is every bit as good as any rookie RB to come out in the last while as far as being a complete package. He passes all of the tests and anyone trying to claim other wise either has an agenda and or are searching for there "I told you so" moment. In one of the deepest drafts in recent memories, with running backs value at an all time low Sankey was the 1st running back taken and the 54th player off the board. There are plenty of good reasons that have been stated time and time again throughout this thread that explain why. There really does not seem to be much of a counter argument other than subjective feelings about Sankey stating why he won't be good.

It can also be argued that Sankey as far as offensive skill players go is as much of a can't miss prospect as anyone coming out of this draft class including Watkins. Now, I don't think this means Sankey should have been a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, but more so his bust potential is extremely low and his chance of being really good is quite high.

We have to be careful about categorizing opinions as ones that agree with you, and biased or wrong ones. I intend that as a personal observation/suggestion coming from a fellow poster, not a mod warning. I don't number you among that class, but there is a fortunately small, but unfortunately vocal minority that can create a nuisance/irritant factor, even (especially?) when unconscious, by consistently implying that opinions should be divided into, those that agree with mine, and those of dumb people, which are to be marginalized in a patronizingly dismissive manner. Instead of opening up and expanding new paths of learning, it tends to shut them down (maybe if only because that can create an atmosphere and climate in which some people aren't comfortable venturing an opinion that could be subjected to derision). Have you ever made a mistake on players you thought were can't miss?

Billy didn't say he would be an abject failure, just that he viewed him as a RB2-type. That is about what Bernard finished as, and they are oft-compared. It's asking a lot for any rookie at any position to be a top 5 player, maybe he can be top 10 if he gets a big workload, but we don't know with certainty what that will be. Will he be able to withstand the beating from bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic defenders, there is almost always some uncertainty associated with the jump up in competition at the next level.

Admittedly I didn't study Sankey too heavily (Clockwork Orange conditioned to get violently ill when hearing the name Sank - urp, urp, like Malcolm McDowell was to ultra-violence ), but what I did see of him, didn't make me think of McCoy (and I mean at Pittsburgh, not in PHI). That guy was a ghost ninja. Take former boxer Pernell Whitaker's feet (among the quickest I ever saw) and lower body quickness, and graft on Pai Mei's contortionist upper body agility and lightning fast reflexes on display in Uma Thurman's Kung Fu lessons, and that begins to describe and convey an inkling of what I saw at the time. Defenders had a hard time even touching him even if they were in close proximity.

I agree with your take on Watkins, but not in linking Sankey with him. I know you know how rare Watkins is (only WR in NCAA history to be AP first team All-American as a true Freshman). When I saw Watkins, I thought he could be a serial Pro Bowler with upside, can't say that in Sankey's case, personally.

There are very few players that I can say in retrospect I thought were "can't miss" at the time, and many of them tend to fall into the Player 0, among the best in the league at their respective position, serial Pro Bowler, potential future Hall of Fame-types. Below are prospects I saw in about the past decade.

QB - Andrew Luck

RB - Adrian Peterson

WR - Calvin Johnson

TE - Vernon Davis

LT - Greg Robinson

OG - Jonathan Cooper

C - ?

DE - Jadeveon Clowney

DT - Ndamukong Suh (though Donald could give him a run for his money)

LB - Luke Kuechly

CB - Patrick Peterson

S - The late, great Sean Taylor

Those were can't miss prospects at the time I thought.

Maybe a notch below, players like A.J. Green and Julio Jones.

The question may not even need to be, will Sankey bust, but, will he have more of a RB1 or RB2 profile, health permitting.

Can he become a RB1? Possibly. Can he fall short of that lofty standard? Absolutely, unless you think he is a can't miss prospect on the level of an Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson (and I don't think you think that).

* Things I like about Sankey, in terms of situational context.

Good OL (though I have doubts Lewan can be plugged in and do as well as Roos in a year), Warmack is a stud interior OL, and, along with Cooper, the first top 10 guards since Ditka drafted Chris Naeole for NO in over a decade and a half ('97).

Wright and Hunter are a good looking young WR tandem.

Locker is a concern, but I won't be surprised if Mettenberger is starting in the next year or two, and think he could be the best QB in the class after the top 3.

Bernard is probably as good a comp as any, I actually like Gio more, just speaking of talent, but appreciate and acknowledge Sankey's opportunity. Not to imply Sankey is a stiff or a bum, but if the situation is close, I am generally reluctant to weight opportunity over talent in dynasty, because it can change quickly. We need look no further than Bernard, for instance. I actually think Jeremy Hill is the most talented RB in this class, with Hyde and Mason not far behind. Hill's yard per carry average broke Garrison Hearst's SEC record that stood for several decades. Hyde broke some of Eddie George's Ohio State records, and was only stopped for a loss 2-3 times all season. Lacy wasn't exactly a workout warrior, but he was Rookie of the Year, and of all the RBs in the class, Hyde's skill set and game resembles his most.

Speed as measured in the 40 at the combine isn't the whole story when it comes to field/game speed. Terrell Suggs is "slow", but like Rex Ryan said at the time in BAL (DC?) when he was drafted, he didn't expect Suggs would be running 40 yards too much to get to the QB.

The combine 40 doesn't test (or therefore measure) reactions/reflexes. In other words, the clock starts ticking only after first movement. There is no gun like in competitive sprints. Each time a defensive player makes a move or positions himself to tackle Sankey and forces him to make an adjustment, that is like the gun going off (SHOTS FIRED! ) testing his reactions/reflexes. Not to say he isn't good at it, just noting it is another layer or level of information to look at, in addition to his impressive 40 time. Some RBs, like Alfred Morris, aren't particularly fast or athletic, but some of their success can be traced to things discussed here like vision and instincts (patience is a related positive attribute).

I've always thought those terms were kind of conceptual black boxes, in which having one word could trick us into thinking it describes one thing, when the word in actuality may be a stand in for a hazily perceived and understood cluster of traits and skills that are bundled together and difficult to delineate. Reactions and reflexes could be related to and among these bundled, tangled, difficult to delineate clusters of traits and attributes we call vision and instincts. Significant differences among prospects could be related to variance in the population at the nervous system level.

What we commonly call explosiveness could also be tied in to reactions/reflexes. A skeleton key for scouting linemen is, once the ball is snapped, see who moves first. Aaron Donald almost always moves first, sometimes he is exploding into and gaining leverage on the hapless OL tasked with blocking him even before they have fully emerged from their stance. The scary thing about him to opposing offenses, despite lacking prototypical size for the DT position, I think his combo of speed + quickness + power + athleticism + instincts (oops, I just did the black box thing) will be as good as advertised, and the Randle, Sapp, Glover, Atkins-LIKE comps vindicated.

I believe Biabreakable alluded to this upthread, in thinking about what even the beginning of an approach to making breaking down vision more "empirical" and less subjective might look like structurally. Even if that structure ended up being provisional and subject to change, imo it is important to think about things like this.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Thanks for the insightful post Bob.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Thanks for the insightful post Bob.

De nada, Carter, thanks for prompting the thoughts and stimulating the conversation.

 

[werdnoynek]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

Exactly. Also Sankey had the best 3 cone dril of all the RB's at the combine and his 3 cone drill was better than most WR's including Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, O'Dell Beckham and company. Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

Running backs have taken a value hit by most NFL teams as far as where and when they are drafted in the NFL draft. I think this has directly related to the questions and concerns fantasy owners have with how good a RB is or might be in the NFL. Many felt Eddy Lacy should have been a 1st round pick yet he fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL draft. Running backs just don't seem to have the value they once did to an NFL franchise. Many teams would rather wait on a rb rather than draft guys in the 1st round and miss like rRchardson, Ingram, Wilson and company.

The truth is Sankey is every bit as good as any rookie RB to come out in the last while as far as being a complete package. He passes all of the tests and anyone trying to claim other wise either has an agenda and or are searching for there "I told you so" moment. In one of the deepest drafts in recent memories, with running backs value at an all time low Sankey was the 1st running back taken and the 54th player off the board. There are plenty of good reasons that have been stated time and time again throughout this thread that explain why. There really does not seem to be much of a counter argument other than subjective feelings about Sankey stating why he won't be good.

It can also be argued that Sankey as far as offensive skill players go is as much of a can't miss prospect as anyone coming out of this draft class including Watkins. Now, I don't think this means Sankey should have been a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, but more so his bust potential is extremely low and his chance of being really good is quite high.

Agendas aside, he just doesn't look like anything special when he's actually playing the game. Call it what you want to call it. But I don't think it's going out on a limb predicting he's going to be very anticlimactic in the NFL too.

ETA: When it comes to puff pieces in the SP, you're one of the top posters. Could you maybe mix it up a bit and tell us what you don't like about certain people maybe?

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Could Bishop Sankey Be Any More Bishop Sankey?

Bishop Sankey, in all of his Bishop Sankey-ness, has us all Bishop Sankey. Last year, Bishop Sankey was actually Bishop Sankey. Then, Bishop Sankey was drafted by Bishop Sankey and now he's on pace to be Bishop Sankey. Bishop Sankey has all the intangibles found in Bishop Sankeys: Bishop, Sankey, and most importantly... Bishop Sankey.

Bishop Sankey, of Bishop Sankey, says "Bishop Sankey should be one heck of a Bishop Sankey". Bishop Sankey agrees.

After the season, we'll see if Bishop Sankey is really Bishop Sankey.

http://bishopsankey.bishopsankey

Holy spit, that is some funny stuff right there!! A++ posting!!

 

[Greggity]

Sankey is obviously pretty damn awesome since im seeing him go early 3rd in dynasty drafts before guys like demarco and lynch....

 

[werdnoynek]

Sankey is obviously pretty damn awesome since im seeing him go early 3rd in dynasty drafts before guys like demarco and lynch....

 

[Leonidas]

Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

I wonder how many people realize how hard it is for ANYBODY to bench 225x26...let alone somebody his size...AND his age...AND in a drug tested league.

As a guy who lifts weights and talks regularly on forums with others who do the same...26 reps is insanely strong for him.

Though I'd be more interested in seeing him squat.

 

[cstu]

Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

I wonder how many people realize how hard it is for ANYBODY to bench 225x26...let alone somebody his size...AND his age...AND in a drug tested league.

As a guy who lifts weights and talks regularly on forums with others who do the same...26 reps is insanely strong for him.

Though I'd be more interested in seeing him squat.

Sankey @ 209 lbs. - 26 reps

Christine Michael @ 220 lbs. - 28 reps

Le'Veon Bell @ 230 lbs. - 24 reps

Doug Martin @ 220 lbs. - 28 reps

Robert Turbin @ 222 lbs. - 28 reps

Ben Tate @ 220 lbs. - 26 reps

There were some backs his size with similar benches:

Vereen @ 210 lbs. - 31 reps

Todman @ 203 lbs. - 25 reps

Hunter @ 199 lbs. - 24 reps

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

Exactly. Also Sankey had the best 3 cone dril of all the RB's at the combine and his 3 cone drill was better than most WR's including Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, O'Dell Beckham and company. Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

Running backs have taken a value hit by most NFL teams as far as where and when they are drafted in the NFL draft. I think this has directly related to the questions and concerns fantasy owners have with how good a RB is or might be in the NFL. Many felt Eddy Lacy should have been a 1st round pick yet he fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL draft. Running backs just don't seem to have the value they once did to an NFL franchise. Many teams would rather wait on a rb rather than draft guys in the 1st round and miss like rRchardson, Ingram, Wilson and company.

The truth is Sankey is every bit as good as any rookie RB to come out in the last while as far as being a complete package. He passes all of the tests and anyone trying to claim other wise either has an agenda and or are searching for there "I told you so" moment. In one of the deepest drafts in recent memories, with running backs value at an all time low Sankey was the 1st running back taken and the 54th player off the board. There are plenty of good reasons that have been stated time and time again throughout this thread that explain why. There really does not seem to be much of a counter argument other than subjective feelings about Sankey stating why he won't be good.

It can also be argued that Sankey as far as offensive skill players go is as much of a can't miss prospect as anyone coming out of this draft class including Watkins. Now, I don't think this means Sankey should have been a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, but more so his bust potential is extremely low and his chance of being really good is quite high.

Agendas aside, he just doesn't look like anything special when he's actually playing the game. Call it what you want to call it. But I don't think it's going out on a limb predicting he's going to be very anticlimactic in the NFL too.

ETA: When it comes to puff pieces in the SP, you're one of the top posters. Could you maybe mix it up a bit and tell us what you don't like about certain people maybe?

Well that settles it then.

 

[rdrouyn]

Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

I wonder how many people realize how hard it is for ANYBODY to bench 225x26...let alone somebody his size...AND his age...AND in a drug tested league.As a guy who lifts weights and talks regularly on forums with others who do the same...26 reps is insanely strong for him.

Though I'd be more interested in seeing him squat.

I dont understand why they don't do

some type of squat or leg press to see how much power they have in their legs. Bench press is not as relevant for what a RB does. He does keep himself in top shape so kudos to him

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

I wonder how many people realize how hard it is for ANYBODY to bench 225x26...let alone somebody his size...AND his age...AND in a drug tested league.As a guy who lifts weights and talks regularly on forums with others who do the same...26 reps is insanely strong for him.

Though I'd be more interested in seeing him squat.

I dont understand why they don't do

some type of squat or leg press to see how much power they have in their legs. Bench press is not as relevant for what a RB does. He does keep himself in top shape so kudos to him

That is what the jumps are measuring. The vert and broad jump help to gauge explosiveness.

 

[jurb26]

Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps.

I wonder how many people realize how hard it is for ANYBODY to bench 225x26...let alone somebody his size...AND his age...AND in a drug tested league.As a guy who lifts weights and talks regularly on forums with others who do the same...26 reps is insanely strong for him.

Though I'd be more interested in seeing him squat.

I dont understand why they don't do

some type of squat or leg press to see how much power they have in their legs. Bench press is not as relevant for what a RB does. He does keep himself in top shape so kudos to him

2 things. First I think you guys are severely overestimating the efficiency of the performance enhancing drug testing in the NFL, and NCAA for that matter. Not trying to take away from Sankey.

Second, I'd imagine the squat isn't used because of injury risk and the fact that the mobility drills gage lower body explosiveness in a far more functional way.

 

[cstu]

Sankey is obviously pretty damn awesome since im seeing him go early 3rd in dynasty drafts before guys like demarco and lynch....

If you're willing to sacrifice one year I don't think there's any way you buy Sankey with Murray or Lynch next year.

IMO he's a top 10 dynasty back next year even putting Gurley and Gordon ahead of him.

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I appreciate the video cut up.

I just don't see anything special when he runs and he doesn't seem to have exceptional speed. I hope it works out for him since I own him in one league but I have doubts.

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I appreciate the video cut up.

I just don't see anything special when he runs and he doesn't seem to have exceptional speed. I hope it works out for him since I own him in one league but I have doubts.

Neither do I but I don't think it matters. He has enough things going for him that the fact he's not 'special' isn't important.

McCoy certainly wasn't:

NegativesFF Toolbox: Did not run through the tackles well, or even often, in college

Mocking The Draft: Must hold the ball better to avoid fumbles, must be a better pass blocker

NFL Draft Dog: Top end speed, upper body strength, pass protection

 

[rdrouyn]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I appreciate the video cut up.

I just don't see anything special when he runs and he doesn't seem to have exceptional speed. I hope it works out for him since I own him in one league but I have doubts.

Neither do I but I don't think it matters. He has enough things going for him that the fact he's not 'special' isn't important.

McCoy certainly wasn't:

NegativesFF Toolbox: Did not run through the tackles well, or even often, in college

Mocking The Draft: Must hold the ball better to avoid fumbles, must be a better pass blocker

NFL Draft Dog: Top end speed, upper body strength, pass protection

McCoy has great elusiveness and agility on the field, Sankey does not. He could develop as well as McCoy has developed, not sure if his case is very common though.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I appreciate the video cut up.I just don't see anything special when he runs and he doesn't seem to have exceptional speed. I hope it works out for him since I own him in one league but I have doubts.

Neither do I but I don't think it matters. He has enough things going for him that the fact he's not 'special' isn't important.

McCoy certainly wasn't:

Negatives

FF Toolbox: Did not run through the tackles well, or even often, in college

Mocking The Draft: Must hold the ball better to avoid fumbles, must be a better pass blocker

NFL Draft Dog: Top end speed, upper body strength, pass protection

McCoy has great elusiveness and agility on the field, Sankey does not. He could develop as well as McCoy has developed, not sure if his case is very common though.

McCoy was widely considered nothing special after his first season. Same with Ray Rice (Until the unstoppable hype train took off). I think we sometimes forget that players do develop and grow. It isn't fair to compare an established pro's NFL tape to a rookie's college tape though I understand why it happens.

 

[nirad3]

Why does he have to be "special"? Why does he have to be compared to McCoy?

Why can't we compare him to, say, Matt Forte? Forte isn't "special", but the guy's an excellent fantasy RB, especially in PPR formats.

I'm not Brewtowning the guy, but I'm a huge buyer of Sankey.

 

[bagger]

People keep repeating that his combine numbers are great like some type of mantra. Yes his 40 yard time is good but why is everyone ignoring his 10 yard dash numbers?. His 10 yard dash is 1.59 which is worse than Tre Mason (1.50), Isiah Crowell (1.55), Charles Sims (1.57), Jeremy Hill (1.56), Jerrick McKinnon (1.46) and the same as Devonta Freeman and Terrance West.

There are a few talent evaluators that swear by the 10 yard dash being one of the most accurate measures of speed for a running back, since they very rarely carry for more than 10 yards in the NFL. Everyone has their own metrics but this one makes a lot of sense to me.

His 40 wasn't the most impressive thing. It was his 40 in conjunction with his jumps. Puts his jumps and his 40/10 yds times together and you have a guy with clear lower body explosiveness. It's the combination of drills that makes his combine impressive. Not just one or the other.

Exactly. Also Sankey had the best 3 cone dril of all the RB's at the combine and his 3 cone drill was better than most WR's including Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, O'Dell Beckham and company. Furthermore, I don't know if some of you realize how hard it is for a 21 year old kid to bench press 225 lbs for a total of 26 reps. Running backs have taken a value hit by most NFL teams as far as where and when they are drafted in the NFL draft. I think this has directly related to the questions and concerns fantasy owners have with how good a RB is or might be in the NFL. Many felt Eddy Lacy should have been a 1st round pick yet he fell to the end of the 2nd round in the NFL draft. Running backs just don't seem to have the value they once did to an NFL franchise. Many teams would rather wait on a rb rather than draft guys in the 1st round and miss like rRchardson, Ingram, Wilson and company.

The truth is Sankey is every bit as good as any rookie RB to come out in the last while as far as being a complete package. He passes all of the tests and anyone trying to claim other wise either has an agenda and or are searching for there "I told you so" moment. In one of the deepest drafts in recent memories, with running backs value at an all time low Sankey was the 1st running back taken and the 54th player off the board. There are plenty of good reasons that have been stated time and time again throughout this thread that explain why. There really does not seem to be much of a counter argument other than subjective feelings about Sankey stating why he won't be good.

It can also be argued that Sankey as far as offensive skill players go is as much of a can't miss prospect as anyone coming out of this draft class including Watkins. Now, I don't think this means Sankey should have been a top 5 pick in the NFL draft, but more so his bust potential is extremely low and his chance of being really good is quite high.

as soon as running around cones becomes part of an actual nfl game, who cares.Does he look good on game film or not is all that matters.

 

[az_prof]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

 

[MAC_32]

His college game film all looks like that, prof.

He fits the metrics, but he is just so...average.

Passed in rookie drafts easily, trying to keep an open mind in redrafts though.

 

[Mingooch]

I too see nothing exceptional, but one thing I do like is he moves just enough to not take solid hits. That will keep him healthy. And no matter the talent, you don't get any points if they don't play on a given week.

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

 

[Brewtown]

His college game film all looks like that, prof.

He fits the metrics, but he is just so...average.

Passed in rookie drafts easily, trying to keep an open mind in redrafts though.

I don't get this line of thinking...

 

[rdrouyn]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

 

[MAC_32]

His college game film all looks like that, prof.

He fits the metrics, but he is just so...average.

Passed in rookie drafts easily, trying to keep an open mind in redrafts though.

I don't get this line of thinking...

Of course you don't.

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

 

[KellysHeroes]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

I thought he looked good on a lot of those plays, clearly not a homerun hitter but does a lot of little jukes to gain a few extra feet

 

[humpback]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

That's fine, but why bother linking very pedestrian "highlights"?

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

That's fine, but why bother linking very pedestrian "highlights"?

It doesn't matter what I link to - you will find all of them pedestrian. Here's my favorite but it's probably pedestrian.

 

[humpback]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

That's fine, but why bother linking very pedestrian "highlights"?

It doesn't matter what I link to - you will find all of them pedestrian. Here's my favorite but it's probably pedestrian.

What are you talking about? I'm not a Sankey "hater", I'm simply commenting on these highlights. I have to believe there are better choices because I see nothing spectacular in there at all. This last one is the best IMO but still not close to worthy IMO.

 

[cstu]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

That's fine, but why bother linking very pedestrian "highlights"?

It doesn't matter what I link to - you will find all of them pedestrian. Here's my favorite but it's probably pedestrian.

What are you talking about? I'm not a Sankey "hater", I'm simply commenting on these highlights. I have to believe there are better choices because I see nothing spectacular in there at all. This last one is the best IMO but still not close to worthy IMO.

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

 

[az_prof]

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

I don't agree. I find McCoy's tape much more impressive. He has far superior cutting and juking skills--he does make people miss.

 

[cstu]

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

I don't agree. I find McCoy's tape much more impressive. He has far superior cutting and juking skills--he does make people miss.

Easy to say now, but in 2009 McCoy was going after Wells, Moreno and Brown in rookie drafts.

 

[Bronco Billy]

We're really using McCoy as a comp for Sankey?

Post edit - sorry about substituting Westbrook in, which had a lot to do with where McCoy was drafted in FF drafts. A proven stud in the way does that

 

[humpback]

What are you talking about? I'm not a Sankey "hater", I'm simply commenting on these highlights. I have to believe there are better choices because I see nothing spectacular in there at all. This last one is the best IMO but still not close to worthy IMO.

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

Fair enough. I guess I was just confused by the and .

 

[cstu]

We're really using McCoy as a comp for Sankey?

Post edit - sorry about substituting Westbrook in, which had a lot to do with where McCoy was drafted in FF drafts. A proven stud in the way does that

Westbrook was 30 the year McCoy was drafted and was coming off a down year at 29 so everyone knew the clock was ticking on him. Same as with Gore this year.

Sankey isn't McCoy (or Gio for that matter) but he's a similar type of back in the best situation you could ask for. I won't be surprised if he duplicates Chris Johnson's numbers from last year.

 

[Brewtown]

His college game film all looks like that, prof.

He fits the metrics, but he is just so...average.

Passed in rookie drafts easily, trying to keep an open mind in redrafts though.

I don't get this line of thinking...

Of course you don't.

He is a STUD!! Doubt him all you want....

You are wrong calling him pedestrian!

 

[MAC_32]

His college game film all looks like that, prof.

He fits the metrics, but he is just so...average.

Passed in rookie drafts easily, trying to keep an open mind in redrafts though.

I don't get this line of thinking...

Of course you don't.

He is a STUD!! Doubt him all you want....

You are wrong calling him pedestrian!

just because watching you blow a gasket sounds like fun...I had the opportunity to pick him, but opted to trade down and get Davante Adams and a future one instead. I then chose Devonta Freeman with one of my other ones. I think all of them will be better.

 

[rdrouyn]

How many catches did he have in college? Pass protector?

I cut 6 games of all his pass receptions for 2013......I'll do the rest if I get around to it.

http://youtu.be/6qQ5CH3chE8

This why I believe people are missing the boat on Sankey. Stud PPR RB's today are Sankey's size with outstanding receiving ability. Add him to a team with a great, young OL and a coach who loves to throw to RB's and you have the recipe for a fantasy success.

I watched this video expecting to be impressed. I wasn't. So many catches, and so little RAC. He almost never makes anyone miss with jukes or broken tackles and his speed is not going to get him free and clear outside very often. Pedestrian.

I was thinking about targeting him because he does have a great situation, but...I think I'll pass.

Watching Sankey is like this:

<_<

Link

Link

One play he takes it to the outside, another one he gets good blocking and is barely touched. That is fine, but not indicative of consistent success in the NFL level because a hole that open is not common. It does show that he has good straight line speed, which is consistent with his combine numbers.

The Titans OL was 4th in the league in run blocking and look like they will be even better this year. I believe they will make holes for him and he has the vision and quickness to get through them. Add in that he catches the ball well, has little competition and I'm not sure what else you want out of a RB*

*Besides being built like Todd Gurley.

That's fine, but why bother linking very pedestrian "highlights"?

It doesn't matter what I link to - you will find all of them pedestrian. Here's my favorite but it's probably pedestrian.

That double jump cut is pretty sweet, I got to admit.

 

[rdrouyn]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

I've never seen Sankey do anything resembling what happens in between 0:50 and 1:00. Also what happens in 2:35-2:45 (I know, spin moves are often counterproductive. But still shows amazing agility)

My point being, I disagree that McCoy's film resembles Sankey's film.

 

[cstu]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

McCoy's highlights were just as pedestrian. Like McCoy, I think Sankey is the total package and more than a sum of his parts.

I've never seen Sankey do anything resembling what happens in between 0:50 and 1:00. Also what happens in 2:35-2:45 (I know, spin moves are often counterproductive. But still shows amazing agility)

My point being, I disagree that McCoy's film resembles Sankey's film.

This is not quite a McCoy move but it makes a guy miss.

Here's another nice move. Again not flashy, but these are NFL type moves.

 

[Brewtown]

I said this before :

I am more confident in Sankey's prospects coming out of college than I was in McCoy's prospects coming out back in 2009.

That's not a comment comparing the two or a comment saying Sankey is going to be better than McCoy. It's a comment that simply states a fact about how I feel/felt about both of them coming out.

Sankey has a lot of work ahead of him, but I like what he has done up until this point and the track that he is on.

 

[Bronco Billy]

It's not an attack on you - his highlights fairly pedestrian. There really aren't better choices.

We're still comparing Sankey to McCoy? McCoy was renowned for his burst and decisiveness at the point of attack, and then his vision and agility when he got to the 2nd level. The main knocks on McCoy were ball security, pass protection, and whether he had enough body to sustain a heavy workload.

There's no way you can watch Sankey run and see McCoy's strengths as the same favorable attributes in his game. In fact, his decisiveness at the point of attack is questionable and his lack of vision at the 2nd level is a weakness.

 

[Eminence]

Hey geniuses, how do you think Sankey will fare against the 8-men boxes he'll face this season?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hey geniuses, how do you think Sankey will fare against the 8-men boxes he'll face this season?

with Hunter, Wright, Washington and Walker at WR/TE there won't be 8 men in the box often