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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (2 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Mayflower grain is the company whose bod he met with along with joe Kennedy. And Kennedy has dewars locked up etc.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Right - but was that a real company? I doubt it, but if it was I was going to try and spoil myself to see what happened to it irl.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Seemed like they've intimated that she got started with the Commodore at an early age (and that Nucky was responsible for the hook up) since pretty early on in the show.
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Balco
Footballguy
Correct. I believe she was 13 when the Commodore molested her.
I said earlier, but I feel like the theme of this season is "Making Amends". Nucky will try to make up for all his wrongs. Doing something for Margaret and Jillian. Chalky tried to save his mistress and her child. I get the feeling Eli is going to die for his son. Still not sure if I think Nucky will die or not.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Wat?
Madeleine Rose Yen plays young Jillian.
Gretchen Mol...Their first child, Ptolemy John Williams, was born September 10, 2007.
On February 17, 2011, Mol gave birth to their second child, daughter Winter Morgan Williams.
jamny
Footballguy
I had mentioned to my wife when we watched it that the girl was doing a great job with her speech and mannerisms. I just told her a few minutes ago it was because it was her daughter.BigSteelThrill said:Wat?Dan Lambskin said:
Madeleine Rose Yen plays young Jillian.
Gretchen Mol...Their first child, Ptolemy John Williams, was born September 10, 2007.
On February 17, 2011, Mol gave birth to their second child, daughter Winter Morgan Williams.
Thanks Dan!
Wingnut
Footballguy
Why would someone post that she is without actually knowing? Googling takes like a minute tops.BigSteelThrill said:Wat?Dan Lambskin said:
Madeleine Rose Yen plays young Jillian.
Gretchen Mol...
Their first child, Ptolemy John Williams, was born September 10, 2007.
On February 17, 2011, Mol gave birth to their second child, daughter Winter Morgan Williams.
Yeah I seem to remember that as well. Or I think the Commodore saw her and sent Nucky to fetch her. Perhaps that will still happen.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Probably. This more in depth relationship does not make sense in the context of any other season though.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Why would someone post that she is without actually knowing? Googling takes like a minute tops.BigSteelThrill said:Wat?Dan Lambskin said:
Madeleine Rose Yen plays young Jillian.
Gretchen Mol...
Their first child, Ptolemy John Williams, was born September 10, 2007.
On February 17, 2011, Mol gave birth to their second child, daughter Winter Morgan Williams.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Thought that was pretty awesome. They did a great job kinda hiding Tommy in the background throughout the season. They showed him just enough to establish him as not just some random but didn't really give any hints about who he was or why he was important.
Really liked the finale and most of the final season in general. The flashbacks were really key in tying the whole thing together. Nucky was never even close to the most interesting character on the show, but using the flash backs to flesh out his origin story was really well done.
Really liked the finale and most of the final season in general. The flashbacks were really key in tying the whole thing together. Nucky was never even close to the most interesting character on the show, but using the flash backs to flesh out his origin story was really well done.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The Ref
Footballguy
Considering what they had to work with and considering the amount of time they had this was a good season. It has some holes no doubt. I mean how much of a waste of time was the Dr. now? But all and all not bad.
I'll still remember this as the HBO show that had two awesome seasons, two horrific ones, and then finished it out with a decent showing.
I'll still remember this as the HBO show that had two awesome seasons, two horrific ones, and then finished it out with a decent showing.
The Ref
Footballguy
Kind of disappointed I had the same reaction, should have saw this one coming. It also explains the jump forward in time (well that and they got to walk away from all the ####ty plot lines they had going).
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
And so "Boardwalk Empire" died as it lived: with a tightly-plotted installment that paid off many storylines from both the final season and the entire series, and one where the most memorable, powerful scene involved someone other than Nucky Thompson.
Although the Nucky material was pretty damn powerful and satisfying in its own right.
The most powerful scene in question: Al Capone telling his son about his impending prison sentence, and the boy not only offering to help his dad, but putting up his dukes as a reminder of the boxing lesson his dad tried to give him all those years before (in season 3's "Blue Bell Boy"). It's a perfect example of the patience and sense of its own history that "Boardwalk Empire" displayed throughout its run, and another heartbreaking moment from Stephen Graham, who has consistently managed to find the vulnerability beneath Al's monstrous, homicidal bluster. Capone has more than earned his fate — legally, he's getting off lightly, as tax evasion was the only charge the government could easily prove — but we've also gotten to know the man behind the scarface over these years, and seeing his private human side as he prepares for the end of his public reign of terror was incredibly moving.
The challenge with "Boardwalk Empire" was always in trying to make the show's fictional criminals as vivid and compelling as the real ones. Often, the show succeeded, as we saw at various points with Jimmy, Chalky, Richard and Narcisse. Other prominent characters like Owen came and went without leaving a huge impression. And always there was Nucky Thompson: the still, mysterious center of the series, who at times deserved his first-among-equals position and at others made one wish we could just get back to Cicero or Manhattan or the north side of Atlantic City.
The Nucky we've known all these years is actually absent for a good chunk of the finale, which opens with a visual wink at the title sequence: instead of a fully-dressed Nucky watching the surf pound against the shore, we see Nucky's clothes piled atop the sand as the man swims out to sea, going so far that it's unclear if he might ever come back.
But this season has given us more than one Nucky to follow, as part of an attempt to help us better understand the show's main character before we learned his final fate. And the flashbacks have done their job, particularly once we shifted to 1897 and got to watch Marc Pickering's remarkable Steve Buscemi impression (along with striking young versions of the Commodore and Gillian). Nucky has told us about his history before, but the showing has been vastly more potent than the telling, never more than when we got to meet young Gillian and see the bright, promising young girl she was before Nucky delivered her to the Commodore. We've only known the emotionally damaged schemer that Gretchen Mol has been playing, and while it's easy to feel sympathy for her in the abstract, in practice we've just seen the ruinous effect she had on Jimmy, and potentially on Tommy. (And much more on him in a bit.) Getting that visceral sense of what Nucky did to Gillian, and how that original sin reverberated through generations of the Darmody family, made clear why Nucky's story was likely going to end up the way that it did, and the flashbacks as a whole gave us a much richer sense of who Nucky was before the Commodore manipulated him into becoming his new pimp.
When Nucky asks Gillian to trust him in the flashback — a scene devastatingly intercut with the final moments of Nucky's life, and one that had me yelling at the TV in hopes that the characters' history could be rewritten at this late date — we realize that both their lives were irrevocably damaged the moment their hands touched.
There's a brief moment earlier in the hour, when Nucky and Margaret enjoy a slow dance in the famous apartment building that gives the episode its title, where it seems like he may, in fact, get to live happily ever after with the woman he loves, and who seems willing to take him back and accept that they both did wrong in their time together (even if his wrongs were more numerous and greater than hers). But the moment's ruined by the arrival of another pair of potential renters, and then family obligations bring Nucky back to Atlantic City — just as those obligations kept him in the town he hated for so very long — and once there, the obligation he feels for "Joe," and the many sins he committed against the Darmody family(*) are returned in kind. As many of you had predicted (and as I was starting to believe until last week), Joe is, indeed, a teenage Tommy Darmody, come to meet the man his meemaw told him so many stories about before he was taken away from her, and though he doesn't know all the details of his father's murder, he winds up shooting Nucky in the same spot under the eye where the fatal bullet hit Jimmy all those years ago.
(*) We can see in the way young Nucky bridles at the favoritism the Commodore shows to Neary and others the same frustration that started Jimmy on the path against Nucky back in season 1.
Though Terence Winter came out of "The Sopranos," "Boardwalk Empire" was its own kind of show: neat and tidy where its predecessor was defiantly messy, and cathartic where "Sopranos" proudly avoided closure. The series occasionally dabbled in dream sequences and other elliptical storytelling devices favored by HBO's previous Jersey mob drama, but for the most part it was a precision engine, confidently moving towards the finish line of each seasonal race, and the closer it got to that finish line, the less time there usually was for anything that wasn't strictly about wrapping up the plot and the character arcs.
But "Eldorado" put the story on pause for the marvelously strange interlude where a boardwalk barker — who claims to be "from the future" — leads Nucky into her tent. This is not the set-up for his murder, but a chance for Nucky to get a glimpse of the actual future(**), in the form of a primitive television set that shows the future woman singing "Twinkle Twinkle."
(**) I thought it was a nice touch that the score in that scene evoked the opening notes of the original "Star Trek" theme.
This is all Nucky will ever see of what's to come, however. He has a date with a bullet from Tommy's gun, and the future will belong to Luciano and Lansky in the criminal world, and Joe Kennedy in the more legitimate world. Margaret and a few other people might remember Nucky, but he'll be forgotten by almost everyone else — a footnote at best in a biography of Lucky or Al.
When the Commodore fires Nucky — a brilliant, cruel setup for the moment when Whitlock will then offer a new badge to the desperate Nucky in exchange for Gillian — he wonders, as many of us have at different points of the series, exactly who and what our inscrutable main character is. This final season has done more than the previous four combined to help us understand this man we've been watching mingle with history — and made his ultimate fate much more potent than it would have been had he remained Sphinx-like. The answer to the Commodore's question is a fairly simple one: Nucky Thompson was a good man born into a bad circumstance, who decided he would do anything to escape it and build a life that would put his father's to shame. But his own family situation never works out for long (at various points he loses biological children, adopted ones and surrogate ones), and the empire he built is simply absorbed into Luciano's far greater one. He has a chance to start over with Margaret and the fortune they made on the Mayflower deal, but Nucky made too many mistakes along the way to get a happily ever after.
The woman on the boardwalk claims to have traveled from the future that Nucky won't get to see, while Tommy Darmody — who never resembled his old man more than in this episode — is a time traveler from Nucky's past, here to remind him of where he came from and all the people he hurt and destroyed to get to this moment. It's a definitive end to Nucky's story(***), and an effective one.
(***) As Jimmy and Richard did before him, Nucky disappears not into eternity, but into a dream of the thing he wanted most. For Jimmy, it was to be back in the trenches with the boys, while Richard wanted a peaceful life with Julia and Tommy. Nucky? Nucky's that little boy again, finally grabbing hold of the gold coin he couldn't quite get to in life — a representative for all of the things (family and respectability chief among them) that always remained just beyond his reach.
"Boardwalk Empire" had its flaws and rough edges, and this compressed final season was at times rougher than most. But when this show clicked (as in many of the moments embedded below), it was extraordinary. And "Eldorado" was a fine, appropriate capper to the series — one last example of how well Winter, Howard Korder, Tim Van Patten and company knew how to bring stories to a satisfying close.
Some other thoughts:
* Nucky's meeting with Gillian in 1931 isn't quite as brutal as the concluding sequence with the Gillian of 1897, but the realization that she has become another guinea pig of Dr. Cotton, and that she'll remain in that hospital, was pretty crushing in its own right. (It reminded me of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"; Gillian has more reason for being in a mental hospital than McMurphy did, but in both cases, what seemed like it would be a good alternative to a prison stretch instead became an ongoing horror show.) With Tommy apparently being dragged off by feds (who, per Winter, were trailing Nucky in hopes of duplicating the success of the Capone operation), Nucky has helped destroy three generations of this family.
* Of all our fictional characters, Margaret comes out of the series in the best shape, having made a good amount of money on the Mayflower deal, and having impressed Joe Kennedy enough to become his new broker. Also, I appreciated that in the Elodrado scene, Margaret didn't try to absolve herself of responsibility for her time with Nucky, since she gladly took all the things he offered, even knowing the sins that produced them.
* Lucky and Meyer's triumph was as absolute as depicted here, as they would transform the structure of organized crime in America, and rule it for several decades, even after Luciano went to jail and was later deported to Italy. (If you want a laugh, watch "Mobsters," the awful 1991 movie starring Christian Slater as Luciano, Patrick Dempsey as Lansky, Richard Grieco as Bugsy Siegel and Costas Mandylor as Frank Costello (never featured on "Boardwalk"), a misguided attempt to do "Young Guns" with wiseguys.) Though Lucky was around for the entire run of the series — at one point in the finale, he recalls the meeting with Nucky and Big Jim that took place in the pilot episode — I don't know that the show ever gave us the opportunity to get to know him as a man in the way we did Capone. He and Meyer and Benny climbed the ladder, slowly but surely, and Vincent Piazza was convincing as the boss of all bosses by the end, but he's a character who surely would have benefited from a longer final season.
* Capone's story basically ends with him turning himself into the authorities, as he would spend most of the '30s in prison, then spend years suffering from dementia and other long-term effects of syphillis, before dying in 1947.
* Chalky doesn't live to see it, but Luciano's goons take out Dr. Narcisse, who pridefully tries to get to his feet after the initial attack and takes some more bullets for his trouble. Not the grandest of ends for one of the show's best villains — in some ways, I'd have been fine with our last glimpse of Narcisse being him in the alley with Chalky — but another sign of Luciano trying to clean up loose ends.
* Given that Mabel's headstone, seen earlier in the series, put her suicide in 1913, some of you wondered if the show was changing up the timeline to make her pregnant in 1897. Instead, this pregnancy ends in a "mishap," and the idea was that they continued struggling to conceive for years, until the death of the one child she successfully carried to term pushed Mabel over the edge. That said, Winter admitted that the 1885 birthdate on that tombstone was a mistake, given that it would make her 12 years old in these flashbacks.
* Fun with inflation calculators: in today's dollars, Nucky would have made nearly $36 million on the Mayflower stock deal, while Margaret would have made $440,000.
* We don't get a sense of what life will be like for Eli, other than that he has a sack full of cash from his big brother, along with a razor to try to make himself look presentable. As we saw with Van Alden, it was easier to craft a new identity for yourself in this era than it would be today, but I doubt June would want to go along with him once she factors in the Sigrid affair along with the downsides of life with a fugitive.
That's it for "Boardwalk Empire," folks, though many of the creative people involved have now moved on to the '70s music series Winter, Scorsese and company are making. HBO hasn't officially ordered it to series yet, but I'm guessing that's only a matter of time.
Although the Nucky material was pretty damn powerful and satisfying in its own right.
The most powerful scene in question: Al Capone telling his son about his impending prison sentence, and the boy not only offering to help his dad, but putting up his dukes as a reminder of the boxing lesson his dad tried to give him all those years before (in season 3's "Blue Bell Boy"). It's a perfect example of the patience and sense of its own history that "Boardwalk Empire" displayed throughout its run, and another heartbreaking moment from Stephen Graham, who has consistently managed to find the vulnerability beneath Al's monstrous, homicidal bluster. Capone has more than earned his fate — legally, he's getting off lightly, as tax evasion was the only charge the government could easily prove — but we've also gotten to know the man behind the scarface over these years, and seeing his private human side as he prepares for the end of his public reign of terror was incredibly moving.
The challenge with "Boardwalk Empire" was always in trying to make the show's fictional criminals as vivid and compelling as the real ones. Often, the show succeeded, as we saw at various points with Jimmy, Chalky, Richard and Narcisse. Other prominent characters like Owen came and went without leaving a huge impression. And always there was Nucky Thompson: the still, mysterious center of the series, who at times deserved his first-among-equals position and at others made one wish we could just get back to Cicero or Manhattan or the north side of Atlantic City.
The Nucky we've known all these years is actually absent for a good chunk of the finale, which opens with a visual wink at the title sequence: instead of a fully-dressed Nucky watching the surf pound against the shore, we see Nucky's clothes piled atop the sand as the man swims out to sea, going so far that it's unclear if he might ever come back.
But this season has given us more than one Nucky to follow, as part of an attempt to help us better understand the show's main character before we learned his final fate. And the flashbacks have done their job, particularly once we shifted to 1897 and got to watch Marc Pickering's remarkable Steve Buscemi impression (along with striking young versions of the Commodore and Gillian). Nucky has told us about his history before, but the showing has been vastly more potent than the telling, never more than when we got to meet young Gillian and see the bright, promising young girl she was before Nucky delivered her to the Commodore. We've only known the emotionally damaged schemer that Gretchen Mol has been playing, and while it's easy to feel sympathy for her in the abstract, in practice we've just seen the ruinous effect she had on Jimmy, and potentially on Tommy. (And much more on him in a bit.) Getting that visceral sense of what Nucky did to Gillian, and how that original sin reverberated through generations of the Darmody family, made clear why Nucky's story was likely going to end up the way that it did, and the flashbacks as a whole gave us a much richer sense of who Nucky was before the Commodore manipulated him into becoming his new pimp.
When Nucky asks Gillian to trust him in the flashback — a scene devastatingly intercut with the final moments of Nucky's life, and one that had me yelling at the TV in hopes that the characters' history could be rewritten at this late date — we realize that both their lives were irrevocably damaged the moment their hands touched.
There's a brief moment earlier in the hour, when Nucky and Margaret enjoy a slow dance in the famous apartment building that gives the episode its title, where it seems like he may, in fact, get to live happily ever after with the woman he loves, and who seems willing to take him back and accept that they both did wrong in their time together (even if his wrongs were more numerous and greater than hers). But the moment's ruined by the arrival of another pair of potential renters, and then family obligations bring Nucky back to Atlantic City — just as those obligations kept him in the town he hated for so very long — and once there, the obligation he feels for "Joe," and the many sins he committed against the Darmody family(*) are returned in kind. As many of you had predicted (and as I was starting to believe until last week), Joe is, indeed, a teenage Tommy Darmody, come to meet the man his meemaw told him so many stories about before he was taken away from her, and though he doesn't know all the details of his father's murder, he winds up shooting Nucky in the same spot under the eye where the fatal bullet hit Jimmy all those years ago.
(*) We can see in the way young Nucky bridles at the favoritism the Commodore shows to Neary and others the same frustration that started Jimmy on the path against Nucky back in season 1.
Though Terence Winter came out of "The Sopranos," "Boardwalk Empire" was its own kind of show: neat and tidy where its predecessor was defiantly messy, and cathartic where "Sopranos" proudly avoided closure. The series occasionally dabbled in dream sequences and other elliptical storytelling devices favored by HBO's previous Jersey mob drama, but for the most part it was a precision engine, confidently moving towards the finish line of each seasonal race, and the closer it got to that finish line, the less time there usually was for anything that wasn't strictly about wrapping up the plot and the character arcs.
But "Eldorado" put the story on pause for the marvelously strange interlude where a boardwalk barker — who claims to be "from the future" — leads Nucky into her tent. This is not the set-up for his murder, but a chance for Nucky to get a glimpse of the actual future(**), in the form of a primitive television set that shows the future woman singing "Twinkle Twinkle."
(**) I thought it was a nice touch that the score in that scene evoked the opening notes of the original "Star Trek" theme.
This is all Nucky will ever see of what's to come, however. He has a date with a bullet from Tommy's gun, and the future will belong to Luciano and Lansky in the criminal world, and Joe Kennedy in the more legitimate world. Margaret and a few other people might remember Nucky, but he'll be forgotten by almost everyone else — a footnote at best in a biography of Lucky or Al.
When the Commodore fires Nucky — a brilliant, cruel setup for the moment when Whitlock will then offer a new badge to the desperate Nucky in exchange for Gillian — he wonders, as many of us have at different points of the series, exactly who and what our inscrutable main character is. This final season has done more than the previous four combined to help us understand this man we've been watching mingle with history — and made his ultimate fate much more potent than it would have been had he remained Sphinx-like. The answer to the Commodore's question is a fairly simple one: Nucky Thompson was a good man born into a bad circumstance, who decided he would do anything to escape it and build a life that would put his father's to shame. But his own family situation never works out for long (at various points he loses biological children, adopted ones and surrogate ones), and the empire he built is simply absorbed into Luciano's far greater one. He has a chance to start over with Margaret and the fortune they made on the Mayflower deal, but Nucky made too many mistakes along the way to get a happily ever after.
The woman on the boardwalk claims to have traveled from the future that Nucky won't get to see, while Tommy Darmody — who never resembled his old man more than in this episode — is a time traveler from Nucky's past, here to remind him of where he came from and all the people he hurt and destroyed to get to this moment. It's a definitive end to Nucky's story(***), and an effective one.
(***) As Jimmy and Richard did before him, Nucky disappears not into eternity, but into a dream of the thing he wanted most. For Jimmy, it was to be back in the trenches with the boys, while Richard wanted a peaceful life with Julia and Tommy. Nucky? Nucky's that little boy again, finally grabbing hold of the gold coin he couldn't quite get to in life — a representative for all of the things (family and respectability chief among them) that always remained just beyond his reach.
"Boardwalk Empire" had its flaws and rough edges, and this compressed final season was at times rougher than most. But when this show clicked (as in many of the moments embedded below), it was extraordinary. And "Eldorado" was a fine, appropriate capper to the series — one last example of how well Winter, Howard Korder, Tim Van Patten and company knew how to bring stories to a satisfying close.
Some other thoughts:
* Nucky's meeting with Gillian in 1931 isn't quite as brutal as the concluding sequence with the Gillian of 1897, but the realization that she has become another guinea pig of Dr. Cotton, and that she'll remain in that hospital, was pretty crushing in its own right. (It reminded me of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"; Gillian has more reason for being in a mental hospital than McMurphy did, but in both cases, what seemed like it would be a good alternative to a prison stretch instead became an ongoing horror show.) With Tommy apparently being dragged off by feds (who, per Winter, were trailing Nucky in hopes of duplicating the success of the Capone operation), Nucky has helped destroy three generations of this family.
* Of all our fictional characters, Margaret comes out of the series in the best shape, having made a good amount of money on the Mayflower deal, and having impressed Joe Kennedy enough to become his new broker. Also, I appreciated that in the Elodrado scene, Margaret didn't try to absolve herself of responsibility for her time with Nucky, since she gladly took all the things he offered, even knowing the sins that produced them.
* Lucky and Meyer's triumph was as absolute as depicted here, as they would transform the structure of organized crime in America, and rule it for several decades, even after Luciano went to jail and was later deported to Italy. (If you want a laugh, watch "Mobsters," the awful 1991 movie starring Christian Slater as Luciano, Patrick Dempsey as Lansky, Richard Grieco as Bugsy Siegel and Costas Mandylor as Frank Costello (never featured on "Boardwalk"), a misguided attempt to do "Young Guns" with wiseguys.) Though Lucky was around for the entire run of the series — at one point in the finale, he recalls the meeting with Nucky and Big Jim that took place in the pilot episode — I don't know that the show ever gave us the opportunity to get to know him as a man in the way we did Capone. He and Meyer and Benny climbed the ladder, slowly but surely, and Vincent Piazza was convincing as the boss of all bosses by the end, but he's a character who surely would have benefited from a longer final season.
* Capone's story basically ends with him turning himself into the authorities, as he would spend most of the '30s in prison, then spend years suffering from dementia and other long-term effects of syphillis, before dying in 1947.
* Chalky doesn't live to see it, but Luciano's goons take out Dr. Narcisse, who pridefully tries to get to his feet after the initial attack and takes some more bullets for his trouble. Not the grandest of ends for one of the show's best villains — in some ways, I'd have been fine with our last glimpse of Narcisse being him in the alley with Chalky — but another sign of Luciano trying to clean up loose ends.
* Given that Mabel's headstone, seen earlier in the series, put her suicide in 1913, some of you wondered if the show was changing up the timeline to make her pregnant in 1897. Instead, this pregnancy ends in a "mishap," and the idea was that they continued struggling to conceive for years, until the death of the one child she successfully carried to term pushed Mabel over the edge. That said, Winter admitted that the 1885 birthdate on that tombstone was a mistake, given that it would make her 12 years old in these flashbacks.
* Fun with inflation calculators: in today's dollars, Nucky would have made nearly $36 million on the Mayflower stock deal, while Margaret would have made $440,000.
* We don't get a sense of what life will be like for Eli, other than that he has a sack full of cash from his big brother, along with a razor to try to make himself look presentable. As we saw with Van Alden, it was easier to craft a new identity for yourself in this era than it would be today, but I doubt June would want to go along with him once she factors in the Sigrid affair along with the downsides of life with a fugitive.
That's it for "Boardwalk Empire," folks, though many of the creative people involved have now moved on to the '70s music series Winter, Scorsese and company are making. HBO hasn't officially ordered it to series yet, but I'm guessing that's only a matter of time.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I think I'm happier that I don't have to watch it anymore. Ok series but I just believe it could've been so much more. 
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Solid.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
No clue why you're so interested but I was catching up on the stuff between last weeks episode and this weeks before I watch (like I do every week)...all of a sudden there's a huge spoiler without a warning or spoiler tag. Feel better now that you know?Why are you in this thread?Thanks, you spoiling bastards!
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
You honestly think that day after the SERIES ####ING FINALE there aren't going to be spoilers posted in this thread?No clue why you're so interested but I was catching up on the stuff between last weeks episode and this weeks before I watch (like I do every week)...all of a sudden there's a huge spoiler without a warning or spoiler tag. Feel better now that you know?Why are you in this thread?Thanks, you spoiling bastards!
You have nobody to blame but yourself, Farnsworth.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
If an episode has aired, it's fair game to discuss it in this thread. That's the assumption I've always operated under.No clue why you're so interested but I was catching up on the stuff between last weeks episode and this weeks before I watch (like I do every week)...all of a sudden there's a huge spoiler without a warning or spoiler tag. Feel better now that you know?Why are you in this thread?Thanks, you spoiling bastards!
I stay out between whenever it airs on the East Coast and when I see it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I personally think episodes should not be discussed until six years have passed.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Good stuff, will miss it. Interesting note on the new series "Winter", I found this about it:
http://deadline.com/2014/06/hbos-martin-scorsesemick-jagger-rock-n-roll-drama-adds-cast-796659/
Joe Caniano, Andrew “Dice” Clay, Ato Essandoh, Robert Funaro, James Jagger, Birgitte Sorenson, and J.C. Mackenzie have been added to the cast of HBO’s Untitled Rock ‘n’ Roll project. The pilot is in production in New York, with Martin Scorsese directing.
The untitled drama is set in 1970s New York and explores the drug- and sex-fueled music business as punk and disco were breaking out, all through the eyes of record executive Richie Finestra (Bobby Cannavale), who is trying to resurrect his label and find the next new sound. Ray Romano will play Richie’s close confidant and right-hand man Zak Yankovich, the tough and sharp-witted head of promotions at American Century, with years of experience dating back to the shady, mob-infested days of the recording industry.
The drama pilot’s executive producers are Scorsese, Mick Jagger, Terence Winter, George Mastras, Victoria Pearman, Emma Tillinger Koskoff, and Rick Yorn.
Newly added to the cast, Caniano is Leo, Richie’s longtime chauffeur and confidant; Clay is cast as Frank “Buck” Rogers, the obnoxious, cocaine-fueled owner of a chain of radio stations; Essandoh portrays Lester Grimes, a former singer and ex-colleague of Finestra; Funaro is Tony Del Greco, chief enforcer for a New York mob boss; the younger Jagger is Kip Stevens, lead singer of Nasty Bits, a early punk rock band. Sorenson plays Ingrid, a Danish actress favored by Andy Warhol and close friend of Finestra’s wife, Devon; Mackenzie plays Skip Fontaine, head of sales for American Century Records. Deadline reported Monday that PJ Byrne also had been added to the cast; he will play Scott Leavitt, the head of legal for American Century Records.)
In addition to Cannavale and Romano, the cast also includes Olivia Wilde plays his wife, Devon Finestra — a former actress/model who lived a Bohemian life in 1960s New York. Juno Temple is Jamie Vine, is an ambitious assistant in the A&R Department of the label. Max Casella is Julian “Julie” Silver, the head of A&R of American Century; Jack Quaid is Clark Morelle, a young A&R executive at the label.
Back in summer 2010, Deadline first reported about this sweeping period drama from Boardwalk Empire duo of Scorsese and Winter — with rock legend Jagger as a partner. The project back then was referred to as History Of Music, a rock ‘n’ roll epic following two friends through 40 years in the music business, from the early days of R&B to contemporary hip-hop. It originated as a feature based on Jagger’s idea, first at Disney and then at Paramount, where it was set up three years before that — with Scorsese attached to direct the pilot, and Jagger, his Jagged Films partner Pearman, and Scorsese producing. Scorsese had directed Jagger and his Rolling Stones band mates in the 2008 feature documentary Shine A Light, which Pearman produced.
http://deadline.com/2014/06/hbos-martin-scorsesemick-jagger-rock-n-roll-drama-adds-cast-796659/
Joe Caniano, Andrew “Dice” Clay, Ato Essandoh, Robert Funaro, James Jagger, Birgitte Sorenson, and J.C. Mackenzie have been added to the cast of HBO’s Untitled Rock ‘n’ Roll project. The pilot is in production in New York, with Martin Scorsese directing.
The untitled drama is set in 1970s New York and explores the drug- and sex-fueled music business as punk and disco were breaking out, all through the eyes of record executive Richie Finestra (Bobby Cannavale), who is trying to resurrect his label and find the next new sound. Ray Romano will play Richie’s close confidant and right-hand man Zak Yankovich, the tough and sharp-witted head of promotions at American Century, with years of experience dating back to the shady, mob-infested days of the recording industry.
The drama pilot’s executive producers are Scorsese, Mick Jagger, Terence Winter, George Mastras, Victoria Pearman, Emma Tillinger Koskoff, and Rick Yorn.
Newly added to the cast, Caniano is Leo, Richie’s longtime chauffeur and confidant; Clay is cast as Frank “Buck” Rogers, the obnoxious, cocaine-fueled owner of a chain of radio stations; Essandoh portrays Lester Grimes, a former singer and ex-colleague of Finestra; Funaro is Tony Del Greco, chief enforcer for a New York mob boss; the younger Jagger is Kip Stevens, lead singer of Nasty Bits, a early punk rock band. Sorenson plays Ingrid, a Danish actress favored by Andy Warhol and close friend of Finestra’s wife, Devon; Mackenzie plays Skip Fontaine, head of sales for American Century Records. Deadline reported Monday that PJ Byrne also had been added to the cast; he will play Scott Leavitt, the head of legal for American Century Records.)
In addition to Cannavale and Romano, the cast also includes Olivia Wilde plays his wife, Devon Finestra — a former actress/model who lived a Bohemian life in 1960s New York. Juno Temple is Jamie Vine, is an ambitious assistant in the A&R Department of the label. Max Casella is Julian “Julie” Silver, the head of A&R of American Century; Jack Quaid is Clark Morelle, a young A&R executive at the label.
Back in summer 2010, Deadline first reported about this sweeping period drama from Boardwalk Empire duo of Scorsese and Winter — with rock legend Jagger as a partner. The project back then was referred to as History Of Music, a rock ‘n’ roll epic following two friends through 40 years in the music business, from the early days of R&B to contemporary hip-hop. It originated as a feature based on Jagger’s idea, first at Disney and then at Paramount, where it was set up three years before that — with Scorsese attached to direct the pilot, and Jagger, his Jagged Films partner Pearman, and Scorsese producing. Scorsese had directed Jagger and his Rolling Stones band mates in the 2008 feature documentary Shine A Light, which Pearman produced.
Wingnut
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But seriously, if you're not gonna use spoiler tags, at least put a warning at the top of the post for a couple of days after an episode airs.Not that big of a deal since I wasn't a HUGE fan of the show but I didn't expect to see it right there in all its glory.
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I'm not sure if you are new to TV show threads (not being sarcastic), but in most threads, the episode is discussed as it's happening. Expecting spoiler tags during of after a new episode is unrealistic. I've learned to avoid all TV-show threads until I'm all caught up.
this season. They really wasted her the middle 3 seasons. Such a shame.
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I wish Patricia Arquette could have been killed in a more violent manner.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Dude!!! Some people haven't watched that episode yet!!!
Seriously, if I were you I wouldn't count on any of those things happening. Once an episode has aired it's free game to discuss. Most of us seem to have figured that out. I suggest you consider your recent experience in this thread as a learning opportunity.
Not that big of a deal since I wasn't a HUGE fan of the show but I didn't expect to see it right there in all its glory.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah I've been reading show threads for 6+ years here..like I said not a big deal since its not a favorite show of mine and I suspected it might end on that note, I was mostly busting balls. I do stay out of threads of my favorite shows til after I watch.Seriously, if I were you I wouldn't count on any of those things happening. Once an episode has aired it's free game to discuss. Most of us seem to have figured that out. I suggest you consider your recent experience in this thread as a learning opportunity.
Not that big of a deal since I wasn't a HUGE fan of the show but I didn't expect to see it right there in all its glory.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
WHERE'S WALLACE, WINGNUT?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
It didn't seem like they really knew what to do with her character. Not the most compelling stuff.
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