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****OFFICIAL**** Buffalo Bills Draft Thread (1 Viewer)

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Since there isn't an official one I figured we might make one since we're kind of posting out of topic a bit. This Whitner pick was ridiculous. Marv is killing me with this off-season. Sign all low-key minimal impact players and draft a guy they could've gotten at #20?

I'm calling it now, Marv takes Marcus Vick in round 3.

 
I had a feeling Levy would draw a lot of heat today.

Very interested to hear their thoughts on this pick. I'm surprised Justice is falling...guess he wasn't a top-10 value.

They still desperately need a DT and OT.

 
Since there isn't an official one I figured we might make one since we're kind of posting out of topic a bit. This Whitner pick was ridiculous. Marv is killing me with this off-season. Sign all low-key minimal impact players and draft a guy they could've gotten at #20?

I'm calling it now, Marv takes Marcus Vick in round 3.
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Not that I'm disagreeing, but how do you know they could have dropped down and still got a guy they had highly rated? Even though we all felt that Bunkley was the guy, they never did seem all that excited about him and until his sick pro day not many experts had him in the top half of the draft. While there was talk that teams wanted to move up, maybe they were only offering 4th, 5th or 6th rounders. And with as many people that had the Lions taking Huff, they very possibly would have taken Whitner there.What I think the should have done was draft Leinart and then trade him. If they did that, they definitely would have had teams in the 9-15 range falling all over themselves for him. And if they didn't, well, I could have ended up living with Leinart.

 
While there was talk that teams wanted to move up, maybe they were only offering 4th, 5th or 6th rounders.
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the Broncos gave up a 3rd rounder to move up from 16 to 11. I'm sure they could have gotten that deal if they wanted it, but the Bills might have felt that was too big of a drop.
 
While there was talk that teams wanted to move up, maybe they were only offering 4th, 5th or 6th rounders.
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the Broncos gave up a 3rd rounder to move up from 16 to 11. I'm sure they could have gotten that deal if they wanted it, but the Bills might have felt that was too big of a drop.
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Yeah, I actually do think that it would have been too large of a drop. Both Ngata and Bunkley were gone by then and like I said before, the Lions very well could have taken Whitner as well. Then where would Buffalo be? The fact is, both Justice and Winston are left on the board. Justice will probably be gone, but they may very well end up with Winston still.

 
I'm sure the Bills tried to move down a couple spots but probablky couldn't get enough value or would've had to move too far down to still get Whitner. I trust Marv's decisions...he's been saying that there is one player he wants badly adn I guess this is him. The last time Marv put his foot down about someone was Shane Conlan so I guess he knows talent.

BTW, Aaron-nice avatar :thumbup:

 
Since there isn't an official one I figured we might make one since we're kind of posting out of topic a bit. This Whitner pick was ridiculous. Marv is killing me with this off-season. Sign all low-key minimal impact players and draft a guy they could've gotten at #20?

I'm calling it now, Marv takes Marcus Vick in round 3.
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Not that I'm disagreeing, but how do you know they could have dropped down and still got a guy they had highly rated? Even though we all felt that Bunkley was the guy, they never did seem all that excited about him and until his sick pro day not many experts had him in the top half of the draft. While there was talk that teams wanted to move up, maybe they were only offering 4th, 5th or 6th rounders. And with as many people that had the Lions taking Huff, they very possibly would have taken Whitner there.What I think the should have done was draft Leinart and then trade him. If they did that, they definitely would have had teams in the 9-15 range falling all over themselves for him. And if they didn't, well, I could have ended up living with Leinart.
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When I heard about the Bills pick I asked my buddy the same question. Why not draft Leinart. If you can't get good value for him, hang onto him. You never know how Losman/Nall are going to work out. Losman hasn't been through ideal situations. The team had a lot of holes and he was injured in 2004. The kid is young and it takes a while to get comfortable with the NFL level. Now they're changing the offense on him. I have a bit more faith in him than most, especially after Jim Kelly went on record defending him and telling those to support him. Nall has done nothing at this level and Holcomb is definitely not the answer. So pick him, if you don't get good value, hang onto him and groom him in case Losman doesn't work out. Look at SD, they drafted Rivers and lit a fire under Brees' ###. Now they have the ability to lose one without having a huge hole. Imagine if this same scenario happened, which is unlikely but a possibility. Bills draft Leinart, decide to hang onto him. Losman impresses so they continue to groom Leinart. They could trade Losman, let him go etc. The money shouldn't be a problem. If that is why they passed then they are definitely pinching their pennies hardcore. With the new CBA they have a lot of space under the cap and after losing Adams, Milloy, Moulds, they have even more room. The teams biggest needs are OT, DT, QB, and CB/S in no particular order. If they were going to pass on the OT/DT because they think they can get good value in rounds 2 and 3 then so be it, although that would be my priority. But passing on the QB who is a Heisman Trophy Winner and could definitely give them trade options or a possible franchise QB for a CB/S who started only 1 full season in college and has a problem covering guys, that just doesn't make sense.

 
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Unbelieveable. Trade down for less than value. You still get the same guy, save money, and get extra pick(s). What a foolish move to take him at 8. He might be a great player, but he left value on the table.

 
I've been reading a bit more on Whitner and hate that he was selected so high but the guys over at the Bills forum seem to be a bit impressed.

http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/inde...howtopic=130474

Round 2, we really need OL, DL help. But what if Holmes, Jackson or Moss are still on the board. We lost Moulds, Reed isn't the answer, Andre Davis isn't the answer, and Price has struggled since he left. Drafting one would certainly help out our aerial attack. Losman has an arm and overthrew alot of passes last season. He has talked about not killing himself over not being perfect every play. I think he can put it together. After losing Moulds, having one of these 3 along with Price, Parrish, Evans and a more involved McGahee in the passing game could help out alot. A possibility?

 
Aaron,

Think Justice falls?
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not sure...I'm pretty shocked he's still out there.
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Carolina, Indy, Jacksonville are most likely looking RB. Williams and Addai going to one of those teams, possibly even White. NY just got Ferguson so they'll be looking elsewhere. Seattle and Chicago, who knows. He could definitely fall to the 2nd but we have the 2.10 pick. I'm doubting it.
 
This is a ####### joke. ESPN saying late 2nd, possible 3rd or 4th. After taking Whitner at 8 and trading up to take this guy over Justice? Wow.

 
:thumbdown:

No more defending Levy for me now. He should be put out to pasture and put down. :hot:

Absolutely no reason to trade up for him. None. Screw the Bills. Maybe it's time just to become an Eagles fan since I live in the area anyway.

 
:thumbdown:

No more defending Levy for me now. He should be put out to pasture and put down. :hot:

Absolutely no reason to trade up for him. None. Screw the Bills. Maybe it's time just to become an Eagles fan since I live in the area anyway.
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I agree. F the Bills. I F'ing hate them right now. Marv should be brought out to a field and finally put to sleep. He was the biggest mistake the orgaization has ever made. And the organization is an F'ing joke right now. Bring on Brady Quinn with the 1.1 next year. Damn, I am so F'ing mad right now. I hate the Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Scouting report on McCargo:

6'1", 302lbs, Underclassman

Positives: 3-year starter. Flashes ability to dominate. Spends a lot of time in opponent's backfield. Has good athletic ability and great chase speed to close. Comes off the ball hard and can be very disruptive. Very quick and gets penetration. Quick, active hands allow him to shed and make plays along the line of scrimmage. Has thick, powerful legs. Good agility and balance and shows great lateral quickness to track down the run. Gives good effort in pursuit and feels pressure. Shows a nice swim move and can press the pocket. Quickly plays off blocks. Has a good motor and shows good play range. Humble and hard working. Classroom-smart. Looked very quick and explosive in positional drills at the Combine.

Negatives: Plays undisciplined at times and will commit foolish penalties. Inconsistent production. Must improve his stamina to play every down after being used in a rotation. Can get stronger at the point of attack. Not very stout - even less so when his pads rise and he is looking for the ball. Missed five games after having surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left foot in late October and returned for the Bowl game overweight.

Summary: Could be a great fit as a 3-technique in a penetrating, upfield attack. Would fit best in a scheme where he is slanting, allowing him to use his outstanding quickness and natural athletic ability to play in gaps. If he can improve his conditioning and be more consistent, McCargo could find his way to Honolulu.
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Scouting report on McCargo:

6'1", 302lbs, Underclassman

Positives: 3-year starter. Flashes ability to dominate. Spends a lot of time in opponent's backfield. Has good athletic ability and great chase speed to close. Comes off the ball hard and can be very disruptive. Very quick and gets penetration. Quick, active hands allow him to shed and make plays along the line of scrimmage. Has thick, powerful legs. Good agility and balance and shows great lateral quickness to track down the run. Gives good effort in pursuit and feels pressure. Shows a nice swim move and can press the pocket. Quickly plays off blocks. Has a good motor and shows good play range. Humble and hard working. Classroom-smart. Looked very quick and explosive in positional drills at the Combine.

Negatives: Plays undisciplined at times and will commit foolish penalties. Inconsistent production. Must improve his stamina to play every down after being used in a rotation. Can get stronger at the point of attack. Not very stout - even less so when his pads rise and he is looking for the ball. Missed five games after having surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left foot in late October and returned for the Bowl game overweight.

Summary: Could be a great fit as a 3-technique in a penetrating, upfield attack. Would fit best in a scheme where he is slanting, allowing him to use his outstanding quickness and natural athletic ability to play in gaps. If he can improve his conditioning and be more consistent, McCargo could find his way to Honolulu.
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AaronFrank Coyle says McCargo's closest comp is....

wait for it

...Larry Tripplett

:P

 
Aaron,

Please ask Joe and Dodds if they can rename this image to :bills: :tfp:

For all you bills fans, we're going to endure 16 games of this :banned: , I guess that's all we have to look forward to.

 
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at least they grabbed a player from a need position

:shrug:
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Yeah, but you have to admit we're taking these guys too early.If we were drafting from the 15-spot or so, I would be cool with both these picks. But that isn't the hand we were dealt.

 
Aaron

Frank Coyle says McCargo's closest comp is....

wait for it

...Larry Tripplett

:P
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that's exactly what I was thinking while reading that.However, the Bears helped turn their defense around when they drafted Tommie Harris and Tank Johnson with their first 2 picks...and those were both similar players.

 
at least they grabbed a player from a need position

:shrug:
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I actually liked McCargo, but, man, passing on Bunkley for Whitner then trading up to get him. :loco:

Bunkley/Simpson vs McCargo/Whitner?

Bunkley is a better fit as a NT type player in the 4-3.

 
at least they grabbed a player from a need position

:shrug:
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Yeah, but you have to admit we're taking these guys too early.If we were drafting from the 15-spot or so, I would be cool with both these picks. But that isn't the hand we were dealt.
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no doubt. I'm not crazy about either pick at all. both could wind up being very good players, but both could also likely have been had later on. trading up for a guy that wasn't in high demand also seems very strange as I don't think there's any way this guy was going to go in the 1st round if the Bills didn't take hiim.
 
The Bills are like that guy in your fantasy draft that takes his sleepers 4 rounds before he should just because he has them ranked highly on his sheet. It'd be like taking Steve Smith in the 2nd round last season. Sure he would have panned out wonderfully, but you could have had him much much later.

Well, ET is on USA right now. :popcorn:

 
"John McCargo was an early-entry after playing three seasons at NC State. But the hard-working McCargo, who has fully recovered from a stress fracture in his left foot that sidelined him for five games in 2005, is definitely on the rise. Several scouts now list him as the third-best prospect at tackle, behind only Haloti Ngata of Oregon and Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley. And unlike those two, McCargo is more a one-gap player, capable of compressing the pocket from the inside.

"My game has always been about quickness," McCargo said shortly after a pro day workout in which he clocked a 4.94 in the 40. "I really didn't start playing football until the ninth grade and didn't get serious about it until around my junior year [in high school]. But I was a good baseball player and a pretty good basketball player, and some of the traits from those sports, like hand-eye coordination, things like that, kind of carried over onto the football field and helped me a lot."

Scouts agree that one of McCargo's strong suits is his effective use of his hands, often an oversight by young defenders. Watch him on tape, though, and McCargo's hand speed, and ability to get into a blocker's body, is nearly as impressive as his first step forward. That said, McCargo, an underclass prospect, still is very quick off the ball and keeps his feet moving nicely, even when engaged with an opponent.

At a shade under 6-foot-2 and 305 pounds, McCargo isn't as bulky as some of the other tackle prospects in the 2006 draft class. But several franchises, particularly those seeking a one-gap tackle, have now moved him ahead of players such as Michigan's Gabe Watson, Miami's Orien Harris and Texas' Rodrique Wright. Two general managers asked this week about McCargo had him graded in the lower third of the first round, and acknowledged his stock is rising.

"He's a little different than most of the other [tackles]," one general manager said. "Different in a good sort of way because, if you want the upfield guy and not just the run stuffer, there aren't many tackles like him in this year's draft."

An Academic All-American, and an avid but late-blooming student of the game who is now trying to make up for lost time, McCargo understands that Williams and Lawson, flashier players who merit attention by putting the quarterback on the ground, are going to garner most of the headlines. But he understands, too, that there is a place in the NFL for a guy like himself, a hard-working tackle who has made himself into a player and who will soon reap the rewards.

"It never bothered me that people talked so much about Mario and Manny because, I mean, those guys are incredible players," McCargo said. "Playing out on the edge, making big plays in space, you're naturally going to be drawn to those guys. But I was doing some good things, too, inside, and I think the scouts who have done their homework understand that."

http://insider.espn.go.com/NFL/insider/col..._len&id=2382383

Sounds good, but to deal a 2nd and 3rd when we could've easily gotten him at 2.10 or possibly the 3rd? I see 2 GMs apparently had them ranked in the later 1st and I'm assuming one of those HAD to be Buffalo or else he wouldn't have been taken there and they would've have blown a 2nd and 3rd on him.

He sounds like he can help with this new scheme, but a 2nd and 3rd? Nah.

 
He sounds like he can help with this new scheme, but a 2nd and 3rd? Nah.
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This is really the key thing. I like the scouting reports I've read on McCargo. I like the scouting reports I've read on Whitner. But we could have gotten both those guys several picks later than where we got them.

Marv was always big on character when he was a coach. So far, it looks like he's putting a gigantic premium on that as GM. On one hand, that's fine with me because our team has completely lacked character the past several seasons, but still we've given up an awful lot for it.

 
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