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Disclaimer: This thread is not intended to bash LenDale White but rather (hopefully) demonstrate why Chris Henry should be a great sleeper in fantasy football for 2007 and years to come...

1. His main competition is Lendale White (LW). The Titans were so enamored with LenDale that they were the wanted Michael Turner (a career backup) as their starter before SD raised their asking price. How long LW this guy ride the coattails of a great USC team? For the second straight year LW is out shape and based on recent comments about C-Hen, his maturity level has not improved. Last year, LW spit on a teammate, amongst other things (f**got comment), and has not improved based on recent comments; "Honestly, no disrespect to the guy [C-Hen], but I didn't know of him until we drafted him,"

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...00/1027/RSS0201 I won't even go into the pre-draft drug reports....Probably just pot cause LenDale always has the munchies.

Who is the last impact RB in the NFL to show this lack of dedication and maturity?

BTW, C-Hen knows about professionalism; "I've seen him [LenDale White] run for three years when we were in the Pac-10 together. I'm sorry he doesn't know who I am. ... It'll be an honor to play on the same field as him ...," Henry said.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5719665?source=rss

2. Jeff Fisher and The Titans were so high on Chris Henry they almost grabbed him in the 1st round; "We had actually considered and discussed the possibility of taking (Henry) in the first round," Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher told reporters Saturday. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/sports/49984.php

Ask yourself who the coaching staff is going to get more chances to succeed? A potential 1st rounder or a guy picked in the 2nd round the previous year who has already had chances???? There are biases in the NFL (see Lovie Smith and Rex Grossman)

3. Other teams, that I am aware of, that considered drafting C-Hen; New England, Baltimore, Dallas, New Orleans, Cleveland, Atlanta, St Louis, Minnesota, Jets

http://yardbarker.com/users/Chris_Henry

If other posters tell you that C-Hen should not have even been drafted, ask them what NFL the get paid to scout for... I realize that we are all amateurs at this but paying attention to what the professionals are doing with an open mind can make a difference.

4. The TEN RB coach seems to favor C-Hen early on; "(White) has to work at it. LenDale knows that and (Henry) is a guy who is not going to wait for him," Titans running back coach Sherman Smith told reporters. "Chris is coming in here to start. He is not coming to be a backup. His mind-set is that 'I'm coming in to win the job,' and that's what he's going to do."

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/sports/49984.php

“This is a kid that I think has a great career ahead of him, because he is going to do what it takes and putting the work in is important to him,” Smith said.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cf...p;news_id=56022

Any one have examples of LenDale White having dedication to football? Glad you asked...actually just the opposite. Even his former RB coach at USC questioned White's dedication last year; "His work ethic has progressed since I've been here... but he hasn't been the hardest worker."

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/footba...ns/14440113.htm

Some may try to argue this point that Norm Chow "drafted" LenDale and they have history at USC. Well, LenDale was a top 10 pick at one point in 2006 and fell to the 2nd round. If Edgerin James falls to you in the 4th round of a fantasy draft are you going to pick him because he was great value or because you won a fantasy championship with him in 2005? History with some one does not mean value.... I acknowledge that LW was an impact player and very productive at USC so in the 2nd round he was worth the risk.

I love the posts from guys who say; "I watched all of LenDale's games at USC, he had great vision and explosion....he ran all over UT". All I hear is an opinion and facts relative to one game. Look at USC's record vs the PAC-10 in LenDale's senior year. Their opponents were abysmal run defenses for the entire year. Besides that, USC was a great time, I wonder what Chris Henry could have done running next to Reggie Bush?

5. Yes, C-Hen was not as productive as most RBs in The Draft but NFL experts seem to recognize that the Arizona system and offense held him back.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cf...p;news_id=56022

P.S. Vince Young still has no WRs....

 
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Right now, it seems LW and CH will both be value picks in FF drafts. One will surely rise over the other, and I'd be willing to take a chance on either of them. In LW's defense, wanting Michael Turner was contagious. Many teams went after him, as well they should. He is stuck behind the NFL's best RB, so of course he is a backup. The same could be said about LJ in 2005.

 
:thumbup:

I'll happily go on record to say I'm one of those onboard the Henry wagon, nice and early.

Seems as though there's lots of room left on it, however.

Plenty of time to fill it up when the season's going I guess. :thumbup:

 
Can I wait to see if he falls to me at the 2.1 before I jump on the wagon?
hell no, take him 1.1 !!actually probably a 1.6-1.7 pick maybe ........ good points made by the quotes however everyone always talks up their picks and guys. The negative comments to Lendale are the ones that jump out to me .... rarely do coaches etc talk down one of their own in that context like they do LW
 
He's one guy I'm torn on. I see his highlights and his stats and I don't want anything to do with him. But he was highly rated by a number of NFL execs and went much higher than I anticipated. Not sure what to think of him.

 
Can I wait to see if he falls to me at the 2.1 before I jump on the wagon?
hell no, take him 1.1 !!actually probably a 1.6-1.7 pick maybe ........ good points made by the quotes however everyone always talks up their picks and guys. The negative comments to Lendale are the ones that jump out to me .... rarely do coaches etc talk down one of their own in that context like they do LW
Yep, and I own Lendale, and have the 1.7. I'm ready to be convinced people, give it your best shot!
 
I just see "bust" written all over him. When/if White gets into playing shape I can see him running with the job. The guy is too talented to watch this guy take his job. I see Henry as motivation to White to get his butt finally moving.

 
I have Lendale White and the 1.10 pick, i am really hoping somebody takes Henry before i pick. I dont really want him, but also dont want to be tempted to take him because i have White.

 
He's one guy I'm torn on. I see his highlights and his stats and I don't want anything to do with him. But he was highly rated by a number of NFL execs and went much higher than I anticipated. Not sure what to think of him.
This situation reminds me a lot of the races. You read the formguide, look at the horses in the mounting yard, select a horse/horses that you think will win and then go to put your hard earned $ on with the bookies.Just as you do, while everyone else is running out to the track to see the start of the race, a couple of guys with cell phones who are punting for high-rollers somewhere else come up to the bookies, then plunge a huge amount of coin onto one of the nags you've never heard of.Your immediate thought is 'what do they know that I don't?' They read the same form as you, surely you know as much as them. But you don't; they're experts who know what they're doing.Obviously this doesn't work out all of the time. Sometimes that nag still runs dead last.But on other occasions you've landed an absolute steal at 20-1, by simply having total faith in someone else's expertise. And for me, as a gambling man, this is one of those occasions.
 
I just see "bust" written all over him. When/if White gets into playing shape I can see him running with the job. The guy is too talented to watch this guy take his job. I see Henry as motivation to White to get his butt finally moving.
Isn't this the bandwagon thread? I believe the one you're looking for is here.
 
BS. The guy wont even beat White in training camp ( Even a White at 250 and out of shape is better then Henry ) i still cant understand why they picked hi in the second when he should have gone in the 4th or 5th round .

Maybe they cant judge talent in TEN , that s how it looked on draft day .

 
I just see "bust" written all over him. When/if White gets into playing shape I can see him running with the job. The guy is too talented to watch this guy take his job. I see Henry as motivation to White to get his butt finally moving.
Isn't this the bandwagon thread? I believe the one you're looking for is here.
Well right now I'm hanging on the wagon with one finger. I'm just trying to figure out what I think. I'm kinda on the fence and one second it's, "yeah, he was a high pick, why not?" and the next will be, "the guy has never been a starter". So I'm torn. Looking for people to convince me one way or the other.
 
No player named LenDale has ever been a successful starting RB in the history of the NFL. There have been several successful RBs named Chris, however. Statistics don't lie, so Chris Henry has to be the slam dunk choice here.

Oh, and if we're gonna talk busts, that would be LenDale WhiteCastle and his D cups. :lmao:

(Truthfully, I have no clue whether either or both will succeed or bust in the NFL. It'll be fun to see it unfold.)

 
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The OP had a thoughtful, informative, interesting post that undoubtedly took a while to compile. So to to just reply with this smiley is low class to say the least :lmao: .I really had no idea who Henry was before the draft. But now he is on the radar and a bonifide sleeper. At worst, a later round flyer.
 
No player named LenDale has ever been a successful starting RB in the history of the NFL. There have been several successful RBs named Chris, however. Statistics don't lie, so Chris Henry has to be the slam dunk choice here.

Oh, and if we're gonna talk busts, that would be LenDale WhiteCastle and his D cups. :o

(Truthfully, I have no clue whether either or both will succeed or bust in the NFL. It'll be fun to see it unfold.)
:lmao:
 
Interviewed White (again) on draft day. He weighs in at 239, and said on the air (during the 1st round) "I want them to bring in another back, whether it's Turner or someone else. Competition will only make me better, but right now I am the starting RB and no one is going to change that."

:lmao:

 
http://www.wbir.com/sports/story.aspx?stor...;provider=gnews

Henry, of Arizona, showed a lot of speed Friday and soft hands in a catch where he never broke stride, turned his head back over his left shoulder and pulled the ball in for the smooth reception.

http://www.titansonline.com/news/newsmain_....php?PRKey=4765

Running back Chris Henry passed his first test Friday at Baptist Sports Park, running hard and catching passes out of the backfield with ease during the first day of rookie minicamp at Baptist Sports park.

Henry, drafted in the second round (50th overall) out of Arizona, ran with speed, turning in one of the impressive rookie performances of the day. Afterwards, he met with reporters to discuss his first full day in the National football League.

 
ESPN's Todd McShay called him the most overrated guy in this year's draft. went on to say he's nothing more than a big winner at the combine posting a great 40-yard-dash time.

but his body of work is seriously lacking in productivity.

 
ESPN's Todd McShay called him the most overrated guy in this year's draft. went on to say he's nothing more than a big winner at the combine posting a great 40-yard-dash time.but his body of work is seriously lacking in productivity.
Todd McShay, along with anyone else that saw the combine numbers. This is not what we call 'going out on a limb'.
 
I'm going to jump onboard, but the hype is going to build on this guy that by the time redrafts come around in August he'll be a 2nd rounder and that's too high for me.

 
IF Fisher and the Titans did consider Chris Henry in the 1st...why didn't they just deal that pick (#19) for Michael Turner and a 3rd next year to get a guy everyone knows will be good.

 
Interviewed White (again) on draft day. He weighs in at 239, and said on the air (during the 1st round) "I want them to bring in another back, whether it's Turner or someone else. Competition will only make me better, but right now I am the starting RB and no one is going to change that.":banned:
:X
 
I'm going to jump onboard, but the hype is going to build on this guy that by the time redrafts come around in August he'll be a 2nd rounder and that's too high for me.
:lmao: No chance, and I mean NO chance that he's a 2nd rounder in redrafts.

That is, if your league has less than 50 teams. :popcorn:

 
You must admit, this is an interesting combo. One back who was productive in college but slipped due to the combine, and the other who did nothing in college, then rose because of the combine. Both taken in the 2nd round. They're almost the opposite of each other.

 
You must admit, this is an interesting combo. One back who was productive in college but slipped due to the combine, and the other who did nothing in college, then rose because of the combine. Both taken in the 2nd round. They're almost the opposite of each other.
But they'll both be flops...so they're similar in a way lol.... :lmao:
 
Disclaimer: This thread is not intended to bash LenDale White but rather (hopefully) demonstrate why Chris Henry should be a great sleeper in fantasy football for 2007 and years to come...

1. His main competition is Lendale White (LW). The Titans were so enamored with LenDale that they were the wanted Michael Turner (a career backup) as their starter before SD raised their asking price. How long LW this guy ride the coattails of a great USC team? For the second straight year LW is out shape and based on recent comments about CHen, his maturity level has not improved. Last year, LW spit on a teammate, amongst other things (f**got comment), and has not improved based on recent comments; "Honestly, no disrespect to the guy [CHen], but I didn't know of him until we drafted him,"

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...00/1027/RSS0201 I won't even go into the pre-draft drug reports....Probably just pot cause LenDale always has the munchies.

Who is the last impact RB in the NFL to show this lack of dedication and maturity?

BTW, CHen knows about professionalism; "I've seen him [LenDale White] run for three years when we were in the Pac-10 together. I'm sorry he doesn't know who I am. ... It'll be an honor to play on the same field as him ...," Henry said.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5719665?source=rss

2. Jeff Fisher and The Titans were so high on Chris Henry they almost grabbed him in the 1st round; "We had actually considered and discussed the possibility of taking (Henry) in the first round," Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher told reporters Saturday. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/sports/49984.php

Ask yourself who the coaching staff is going to get more chances to succeed? A potential 1st rounder or a guy picked in the 2nd round the previous year who has already had chances???? There are biases in the NFL (see Lovie Smith and Rex Grossman)

3. Other teams, that I am aware of, that considered drafting CHen; New England, Baltimore, Dallas, New Orleans, Cleveland, Atlanta, St Louis, Minnesota, Jets

http://yardbarker.com/users/Chris_Henry

If other posters tell you that CHen should not have even been drafted, ask them what NFL the get paid to scout for... I realize that we are all amateurs at this but paying attention to what the professionals are doing with an open mind can make a difference.

4. The TEN RB coach seems to favor CHen early on; "(White) has to work at it. LenDale knows that and (Henry) is a guy who is not going to wait for him," Titans running back coach Sherman Smith told reporters. "Chris is coming in here to start. He is not coming to be a backup. His mind-set is that 'I'm coming in to win the job,' and that's what he's going to do."

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/sports/49984.php

“This is a kid that I think has a great career ahead of him, because he is going to do what it takes and putting the work in is important to him,” Smith said.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cf...p;news_id=56022

Any one have examples of LenDale White having dedication to football? Glad you asked...actually just the opposite. Even his former RB coach at USC questioned White's dedication last year; "His work ethic has progressed since I've been here... but he hasn't been the hardest worker."

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/footba...ns/14440113.htm

Some may try to argue this point that Norm Chow "drafted" LenDale and they have history at USC. Well, LenDale was a top 10 pick at one point in 2006 and fell to the 2nd round. If Edgerin James falls to you in the 4th round of a fantasy draft are you going to pick him because he was great value or because you won a fantasy championship with him in 2005? History with some one does not mean value.... I acknowledge that LW was an impact player and very productive at USC so in the 2nd round he was worth the risk.

I love the posts from guys who say; "I watched all of LenDale's games at USC, he had great vision and explosion....he ran all over UT". All I hear is an opinion and facts relative to one game. Look at USC's record vs the PAC-10 in LenDale's senior year. Their opponents were abysmal run defenses for the entire year. Besides that, USC was a great time, I wonder what Chris Henry could have done running next to Reggie Bush?

5. Yes, CHen was not as productive as most RBs in The Draft but NFL experts seem to recognize that the Arizona system and offense held him back.http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cf...p;news_id=56022

P.S. Vince Young still has no WRs....
funny; this was the same system in which Mike Bell performed much better . . .try again . . .

 
If you could combine Henry's workour warrior charecter with Whites.. uhm..

/Begin Tangent: I was going to say natural talent but then I had to ask myself what is actualy GOOD about White exactly? White just seems like a player who was in the right place at the right time. Defenses ( I know I am reaching here based on PAC 10) were worried about stopping Bush and USC's other weapons. White was an afterthought./End Tangent.

... with Whites pedigree you might have a player the Titans could rely on. Really they should have kept Travis Horny. He is the only 2nd round Rb pick who was actualy good out of Chris Brown/Lendale White/Chris Henry.

This is a mess. I see both Henry and White not being starting caliber in the NFL. The Titans struggling to run the ball. The entire offense struggling because of thier inability to effectivly run the ball. A bad season. High draft position in 2008 and ultimatly a new rookie to fix this problem.

That or they bring in Ricky Williams.

 
/Begin Tangent: I was going to say natural talent but then I had to ask myself what is actualy GOOD about White exactly? White just seems like a player who was in the right place at the right time. Defenses ( I know I am reaching here based on PAC 10) were worried about stopping Bush and USC's other weapons. White was an afterthought./End Tangent.
Out of curiosity, how many of White's games did you watch in his last couple of years at USC? Not trying to grandstand here or say you're wrong, but it doesn't sound like you saw LenDale play too much. White often did his best work with Reggie on the sidelines. I won't deny that he benefitted from the supporting cast of Leinart/Justice/Smith/Jarrett/etc., but he was utterly dominant at times. He's not explosive by any means, but he has good feet and acceleration for such a big guy. Reminds me a little bit of Stephen Davis and Jerome Bettis.
 
/Begin Tangent: I was going to say natural talent but then I had to ask myself what is actualy GOOD about White exactly? White just seems like a player who was in the right place at the right time. Defenses ( I know I am reaching here based on PAC 10) were worried about stopping Bush and USC's other weapons. White was an afterthought./End Tangent.
Out of curiosity, how many of White's games did you watch in his last couple of years at USC? Not trying to grandstand here or say you're wrong, but it doesn't sound like you saw LenDale play too much. White often did his best work with Reggie on the sidelines. I won't deny that he benefitted from the supporting cast of Leinart/Justice/Smith/Jarrett/etc., but he was utterly dominant at times. He's not explosive by any means, but he has good feet and acceleration for such a big guy. Reminds me a little bit of Stephen Davis and Jerome Bettis.
I don't watch college football. So that answers your question.Seems to me lots of big Rbs are able to run over people at the college level. But it is very rare that this size advantage translates into the pros.
 
Have you been given any nicknames? (Laughs) I've heard a plethora of nicknames. My main nickname is C-Hen. It's just an abbreviation of my name. But I've been called a whole bunch of things, from the Freak to the Predator to anything. They try to get something that sticks, but I keep shaking them. Hopefully I'll continue to do that.
;) http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=draf...n&type=lgns

For the 6 games that C-Hen got 10 or more carries he averaged 4.0 ypc and had 8 TDs. :nerd:

 
Seems to me lots of big Rbs are able to run over people at the college level. But it is very rare that this size advantage translates into the pros.
White isn't Duckett or Dayne. The people who make those comparisons probably aren't the guys who watched him play with any regularity. He was extremely impressive in college. Like I said, he has good feet and good acceleration. He's not the kind of guy who will make an incredible juke or break a 70 yard run, but he's a tough inside runner with enough agility to make quick cuts behind the line.

He's not nearly the athlete that Larry Johnson is, but I'd actually say that LJ is a decent comparison in terms of running style.

If he comes into camp motivated and stays healthy, then I think he has a very real chance to make a lot of people eat crow.

 
I have Lendale White and the 1.10 pick, i am really hoping somebody takes Henry before i pick. I dont really want him, but also dont want to be tempted to take him because i have White.
then, when the dummy in front of you takes Henry, shoot him an offer:LWhite for his '08-1st

w/White and CH as part of his RB "stable", the '08-1st should have some nice value!

 
He was extremely impressive in college. Like I said, he has good feet and good acceleration. He's not the kind of guy who will make an incredible juke or break a 70 yard run, but he's a tough inside runner with enough agility to make quick cuts behind the line.
That is a pretty interesting observation given that all scouting profiles for White seem to indicate the exact opposite regarding his acceleration and quick cuts."Sometimes he tries to take it to the outside when he sees an opening, but that is often a mistake because he's not fast enough to cut around the corner past defenders."

http://www.pfcritics.com/draft/LenDaleWhit...utingProfil.php

"White lacks the explosiveness to shoot through the hole to get behind the defense in a flash and does not have the premier playing speed to run away from the defense on long runs and will get caught from behind in the NFL. He is not an elusive runner and will not be able to make tacklers miss in the NFL. He lacks the burst to get the corner on his own and cannot bounce runs outside when the middle is clogged up."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/white_lendale

"He has a tendency to try to be too shifty. Instead, he should be running north and south."

http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootb...endalewhite.htm

"The only real problem with LenDale's running game is that it takes him an extra step to get moving forward again when he changes direction. He lacks the burst in and out of cuts, and it is something he must work on. He has good long range speed, but takes a bit to reach top speed."

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospe...dale_white.html

 
He was extremely impressive in college. Like I said, he has good feet and good acceleration. He's not the kind of guy who will make an incredible juke or break a 70 yard run, but he's a tough inside runner with enough agility to make quick cuts behind the line.
That is a pretty interesting observation given that all scouting profiles for White seem to indicate the exact opposite regarding his acceleration and quick cuts.
I never missed one of LenDale's at USC games, and EBF is describing him accurately. Yes, I am saying forget all those reports you linked. Trash to me. Lendale has excellent feet for a big man-- Bettis like. He sees the small holes and accelerates into them with pads lowered looking for contact and breaking tackles coming through with a great stiff arm. He is a decisive runner most of the time. It's in space where he probably danced a little more than he should. Dayne danced in traffic. Big difference. LenDale has a ton of ability. From what I have read I gather his ability is all natural and he relies too much on that. This kind of ability is not a gift. It is a loan and he needs to make payments to develop for the next level. I am concerned he isn't doing that. Travis Henry almost chuckled at the thought of LenDale carrying the load. It was like a loving big brother who knows the kid is great, but it's going to be tough unless he changes his ways.
 
Chaos Commish said:
CA_7 said:
EBF said:
He was extremely impressive in college. Like I said, he has good feet and good acceleration. He's not the kind of guy who will make an incredible juke or break a 70 yard run, but he's a tough inside runner with enough agility to make quick cuts behind the line.
That is a pretty interesting observation given that all scouting profiles for White seem to indicate the exact opposite regarding his acceleration and quick cuts.
I never missed one of LenDale's at USC games, and EBF is describing him accurately. Yes, I am saying forget all those reports you linked. Trash to me. Lendale has excellent feet for a big man-- Bettis like. He sees the small holes and accelerates into them with pads lowered looking for contact and breaking tackles coming through with a great stiff arm. He is a decisive runner most of the time. It's in space where he probably danced a little more than he should. Dayne danced in traffic. Big difference. LenDale has a ton of ability. From what I have read I gather his ability is all natural and he relies too much on that. This kind of ability is not a gift. It is a loan and he needs to make payments to develop for the next level. I am concerned he isn't doing that. Travis Henry almost chuckled at the thought of LenDale carrying the load. It was like a loving big brother who knows the kid is great, but it's going to be tough unless he changes his ways.
CC's always solid. LenDale started over Reggie 2 of the 3 years they were together. His feet are excellent (the key to being a good back), and his moves are deceptive because a big man doesn't normally move like that. He needs to ditch the posse, and work on his game. He hears the naysayers (it motivates him even more), and I think he is starting to "get it"
 
Tnoy Dnugy had a comment that applies nicely here (and to all rooks): "I learned a long time ago you really can't jump to conclusions...don't cut anybody and don't put anybody in the Hall of Fame."

Although if you search the threads, I stand behind the Titnas pick of Chirs and think Fishre and Nrom Cohw will bring out the best in the kid.

 
CC's always solid. LenDale started over Reggie 2 of the 3 years they were together. His feet are excellent (the key to being a good back), and his moves are deceptive because a big man doesn't normally move like that. He needs to ditch the posse, and work on his game. He hears the naysayers (it motivates him even more), and I think he is starting to "get it"
I agree that LenDale is talented. I just think his poor work ethic and discipline is catching up with him at the next level (as we started to see last season) and this is a big factor in helping Chris Henry getting more opportunities. Most people don't change their ways permanently. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if LenDale has a great camp and starts off getting most of the carries, but even if this happens, chances are, at some point he will reverts back to his old ways. This could mean better value for C-Hen in drafts. :thumbup:
 

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