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***OFFICIAL Cincinnati Reds 2007 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

fasteddie_21

2006 NM Poker Champ
On the eve of the greatest day of the year, from the best Reds forum on the net, I bring you a few posts that should get you riled up about the upcoming season:

OBM writes:

I got to thinking this weekend about how excited I am about the future of Cincinnati Reds baseball. With the addition of Josh Hamilton to the organization, and the emergence of Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto in the minors last year, the Reds are inching closer and closer to fielding a team capable of winning a lot of ballgames IMO.

So, out of boredom and excitement to get the season started, I decided to put together a little depth chart with my opinions on who will be starting for the Reds in a few years.

First, let's take a look at the future of the outfield:

LF - Adam Dunn IMO will be a Cincinnati Red for a longtime. I believe Wayne Krivsky understands what a special player Dunn is or else he wouldn't have signed him to that contract extension last spring. Dunn is a guy the Reds should - and will IMO - build around. You can always count on Dunn to hit 40+ homers, walk over 100 times and get on base at a .380+ clip. That is a guy you want in the middle of your order.

CF - Josh Hamilton will be patrolling centerfield in Cincy for years to come if you ask me. Despite sizing up at around 6'5" and weighing near 230 pounds, Hamilton has great range for someone his size. And we all know he has the arm for CF. But his bat is what is special - if Hamilton can do what he did this spring after not playing for four years then just imagine what he can do after receiving more exposure to big league pitching. Hamilton has all the tools to be a superstar in this league. I believe Hamilton will have an All-Star career in Cincinnati.

RF - Jay Bruce will be the third component of what I believe will be the best outfield in baseball for years to come. Jay Bruce has "superstar" written all over him. Often compared to Larry Walker, don't be surprised to see Jay Bruce debut with the Reds by mid-2008. Between Bruce, Dunn, and Hamilton, the Reds starting outfield alone could eventually combine to hit 110 homers a year if they all stay healthy.

Additional options include Chris Denorfia, Drew Stubbs, Chris Dickerson, and Danny Dorn.

The future of the Reds infield:

Though not as stacked as the outfield, the Reds future infield also looks to be very good.

At 3B we have Edwin Encarnacion, who I believe will be one of the best 3B in baseball for years to come. Encarnacion displays terrific range and a strong arm though errectic at times, it's something that can and will most likely be corrected. EdE's bat will be relied upon to fill one of the Reds weaknesses - power from the rightside. Encarnacion is one of the few RH power bats in the system but he is a great one. 30 homers and 45 doubles a year is not out of the question from EdE.

Other options: Juan Francisco - young 3B in Dayton who the Reds like but he is very raw and still a long ways off.

Middle Infield - Alex Gonzalez is currently holding down the SS position and will do so for the next couple years, but the Reds do have a solid trio of young shortstops in the minors - Chris Valaika, Milton Loo, and Paul Janish. Janish is the closest of the two - he brings Gold Glove type defense to the table and a solid eye at the plate, but his bat is still a question mark. I look for him to be a solid backup to either Milton Loo or Brandon Phillips. Valaika will be the future 2B IMO due to his lack of range at SS. Valaika and Loo have the biggest bats of the bunch. Loo has the most potential between he and Valaika, but Valaika will probably reach the majors first.

Future middle infield:

SS Milton Loo/Brandon Phillips

2B Chris Valakia

1B - Joey Votto will continue the Cincinnati first baseman tradition of being an incredibly nice guy who just happens to hit left-handed and throw with the right hand. Votto is a very underrated hitter who I think has a chance to be a very, very good major league hitter. 25-30 homers and plenty of doubles along with a .380+ OBP will be what you get out of Joey Votto.

Next in line: Logan Parker.

Future Catcher:

The lack of a catching prospect is a big weakness in the Reds organization. David Ross, Javy Valentin, and Chad Moeller are all 30 years old or older. Miguel Perez is looked at as the Reds catcher of the future, but I'm not very high on him. He is a very good defensive player but his bat is truly horrific. Jacob Long hit well last year but that was in rookie ball and who knows how he will fare against Midwest League pitching this year. The Reds need to target a catching prospect when talking trades with other teams.

Starting Pitching:

With Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo both signed through the 2010 season, the Reds have two solid pitchers who they can rely upon to give them 200 innings of below 4.00 ERA ball. They can also serve as mentors to two kids who I think will have great major league careers - Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto. Bailey has the stuff and makeup to become the first ever Cincinnati Red to win a Cy Young. Cueto's stuff is just a notch below that of Bailey's, however, his control is better at this point. A rotation led by Homer Bailey, Aaron Harang, Johnny Cueto, and Bronson Arroyo has a chance to be something special.

Travis Wood, Matt Belisle, Sam Lecure, and Kirk Saarloos are options in the fifth spot.

Bullpen:

The collection of young bullpen arms the Reds have assembled makes me feel good about the future state of the bullpen. Todd Coffey is already established. Billy Bray, Jon Coutlangus, and Jared Burton all look like they could be good major league relievers. Brad Salmon, Calvin Medlock, and Carlos Guevara aren't too far away. Derrik Lutz and Sean Watson are two college guys with good stuff who could move fast.

Final words:

With all that said, I realize not all of these guys will pan out. Some could be traded and some could flame out, but it's still fun to speculate and look into the future. I truly believe this team has a bright future ahead. The new ownership wants to win and they will do their best to keep around the players who they believe will help achieve that goal, as evidenced by the extensions of Harang and Arroyo.
And a great post from coachw513:
I promise as a Reds' fan...

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To remember to enjoy watching the brilliance that still is, KGJ...

To appreciate the subtlety of baseball that allows veterans like Jeff Conine, Alex Gonzalez and Scott Hatteberg to help be a major part of a winner...

To never, ever forget to appreciate Josh Hamilton's most important victory even as baseball proves from time-to-time to be a futile existence...

To value the fact that Adam Dunn is one of baseball's most dynamic sluggers and to enjoy his talent instead of viciously wishing him to be something else...

To remember that David Weathers and Mike Stanton care about winning and getting the job done for their club more than I do as a fan...

To be excited about the sometimes excellence of Kyle Lohse and Matt Belisle instead of simply dreaming for Homer Bailey...

To never miss an at bat when EE bats with RISP...

To never get nervous when Arroyo walks back to back hitters to load the bases because I've seen him do this enough times to know he was just getting the matchup he wants...

To always get a smile watching Todd Coffey sprint to the mound like a man possessed then get out of a 2nd and 3rd, 1 out jam...

To never, ever feel good if Eric Milton, Rheal Cormier or Gary Majewski struggle but to remember they are professional men who value their careers and have families...

To scream at the television everytime George Grande jocks Jim Edmonds, Albert Pujols or Tony LaRussa...

To TIVO every Harang vs Carpenter start because it will be an incredible pitcher's duel...

To pray daily that Brandon Phillips and Ryan Freel do not kill themselves catching that Texas leaguer in short center that will inevitably come every week...

To enjoy Marty, Thom and JB talk about the Reds and baseball recognizing most baseball fans never get this pleasure...and to always make sure to catch all Reds-Dodgers games on Extra Innings when the Dodgers feed is on...

I do hereby swear...
First pitch is at 2:05pm est on ESPN2 HD!GO REDS!

 
Over/under 81 wins?What say you? Do you have hope? Is this team a contendah?
I think the Reds continue to neglect the pitching and it's a huge question just like it is every year. I thought the new owners finally got it with the moves they made last year, but alas....they are back in the groove they were in with no real improvement to the pitching staff. I can't really call them a contender at this point. They will do well the first couple months then begin their slide to mediocrity as they do every year. :toilet:
 
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WIRE TO WIRE

Great day at the ballpark.

Standing ovation for Hamilton, both before and after his at bat. ;)

Standing ovation when they showed Pete on the jumbotron.

 
Who taught Mayor how to throw out a baseball? :bag: :bowtie: --> Eric Davis
You didn't see that yesterday? It looked planned to me; I'm still looking for an explanation. I can't imagine there's a good one.
Why would they plan that? Mallory had been super nervous about this all week leading up to the game, I think it just all got to his head.
I wasn't thinking they I was thinking him. I'm sure you're right, shuke, I just can't believe anybody can throw a ball that badly.
 
Nice work by the bullpen today. Was Jerry trying to make sure everyone got a chance to earn their varsity letter?
I'd have liked him to bring one of them out a little sooner last night. Sending Arroyo back out to start the eighth in 20 degree weather vs the 3-4-5 guys was a little questionable no matter how well his stuff was breaking. Wasn't a fan of allowing Arroyo to face Ramirez after Lee reached at all.And how about Pinella giving Dempster the business last night? Hilarious.Got to take the majority of these games when your ace is rolling or your shaky #3 scatters nearly two baserunners an inning. So far, so good.
 
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I'd have liked him to bring one of them out a little sooner last night. Sending Arroyo back out to start the eighth in 20 degree weather vs the 3-4-5 guys was a little questionable no matter how well his stuff was breaking. Wasn't a fan of allowing Arroyo to face Ramirez after Lee reached at all.
I didn't like keeping Arroyo in that long either.
And how about Pinella giving Dempster the business last night? Hilarious.
Even funnier was Dempster throwing the next pitch before Lou even got back to dugout.
Got to take the majority of these games when your ace is rolling or your shaky #3 scatters nearly two baserunners an inning. So far, so good.
First time in about 20 years that we got 6+ innings from our starters the first 3 outings. I'll take that.
 
First time in about 20 years that we got 6+ innings from our starters the first 3 outings. I'll take that.
Impressive work by the Reds pitchers versus the Cubbies. I do think their pitching is much improved from what we've seen over the past five or six years, so I'm not overly surprised. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that even with the additions of Soriano, Floyd, DeRosa and Izturis, the Cubs' maintain two of their most troublesome problems with their lineup:1. For the past few years, they've been so righty-heavy in their lineup that right-handed pitchers with good breaking balls give them fits. Aramis Ramirez just had a great series, but any decent right-hander with a slider can plow through Soriano, Murton, Lee & Ramirez much easier than a Lefty can. Jacque Jones isn't enough of a threat to be the lefty that divides the righties and puts a scare in the pitcher...and Floyd is past that point in his career, especially as a part-time player.2. They're still not a patient group. In each game, they let the starting pitcher off the hook in the mid-to-late innings by going to 1-2-3 on 10 pitches or less. Thanks for making their jobs that much easier.One more point on the pitching staff: I was pretty adamant that Saarloos belonged in the rotation, and I still think he'd be a significantly better choice than Belisle; however, I do like what Saarloos brings out of the bullpen. With the movement on his pitches, he's a bit like a '99-'00 Danny Graves where you can bring him in with men on base and reasonably expect a ground out...or even better, a double play. He can be a valuable piece for this team as a swing-man and ground ball specialist.Don't you just love it when your team is playing match-ups in the later innings of a tight game, and the other team's manager takes down announced pinch-hitter Cliff Floyd, so Ronny Cedeno can face a lefty? Thank you, Lou Piniella. Thank you very much.
 
Good win vs. the Buccos. Belisle survived a rough start to pitch a very impressive 6 innings. His fastball stayed around 93 with good movement, and the slider was a good 2nd pitch.

Saarloos continues to excel in his bullpen role, notching a couple more strikeouts and a ground out on filthy sinkers. Coffey & Stanton also looked great out of the pen. Stanton's curve was money tonight.

Conine comes through with a huge 3-run bomb. I'm sure that night of success by the scrappy veteran will ruffle a few feathers at fasteddie's favorite redzone.com. Everybody knows veterans are useless on a baseball field...

Small sample size caveat, but one thing that has jumped out at me with this year's team is that they're far superior fundamentally to the previous editions of the Reds. Griff's hustling infield single with EdE alertly taking 3rd base...which led to Conine's bomb in the next at bat. Dunn alertly took 2nd base the previous night when Barrett had the ball at the backstop after a walk/wild pitch...I mean Adam Dunn alertly took a base! And the defense has been a major upgrade over years past. The botched bunt play Thursday night was a brain fart, but overall they've been very solid. Alex Gonzalez is the best shortstop we've had out there since Larkin's prime (or Pokey's fill-ins at short). He's certainly a refreshing change from Royce Clayton, Felipe Lopez & Rich Aurilia.

 
How would you like to play defense behind Doug Davis? I bet he could have given Pete Rose a short attention span in the field.

Ball one, ball two, ball three...ball eight.

 
Fear & Loathing said:
How would you like to play defense behind Doug Davis? I bet he could have given Pete Rose a short attention span in the field.Ball one, ball two, ball three...ball eight.
They flashed a stat on the length of games in time Arroyo and Davis each pitched. Arroyo's average game was 2 hours 41 minutes, Davis' was 2 hours 54 minutes, with the average baseball game being 2 hours 48 minutes. The game took 2 hours 54 minutes last night. If I was playing behind him he'd put me to sleep.
 
How far did Adam Dunn just hit that ball? It went out to the deepest part of the ballpark, cleared the 413 sign by about 20-30 feet, and eventually trickled down to the swimming pool area.

I'm guessing 475+.

 
Josh Hamilton will get his first career start today. Leading off and playing CF.

Go get'em kid!
;)
And in one of my favorite baseball traditions, they give the rookie the silent treatment in the dugout. Hamilton hits a screamer to right for his first one, and Phillips drills one to left to follow up...

Here comes Dunn...
:lmao: Did you catch them tossing the real ball underneath the bullpen bench? You know those guys are doctoring up a BP ball to present to him later.

 
Josh Hamilton is the greatest story of the baseball season and it's not even close.

Disney making a movie about this kid?

Hobbs has got nothin' on him...just wow :goodposting:

 
Josh Hamilton is the greatest story of the baseball season and it's not even close.Disney making a movie about this kid?Hobbs has got nothin' on him...just wow :no:
I was probably just as impressed with that second walk he took as with the homer.
 
So the only thing standing in the way of Hamilton being an every day starter is an injury to either Freel or Griffey?
YesEven if neither gets injured, Griffey (because he's old) and Freel (because of his hard play) will still need the occasional rest.
 

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