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** OFFICIAL ** Cleveland Guardians thread - spring training (2 Viewers)

If the Tribe was going to lose any games in this series, it was going to be this one. Tanaka and Carrasco were both straight dealing. I know people on twitter were frustrated at everybody swinging at those nasty curves, but we've all seen those pitches and know how tempting they look. No matter how many times we tell ourselves to lay off it, we get suckered in again.

The saving grace was that Tito forced Girardi to use Chapman for a 5 out, 34 pitch and high-leverage save. Hopefully, that means he's less effective if they bring him tonight.

Bauer was announced as the game 4 starter pretty much right after the game. :lol:  I agree with this move; he's trained himself to be able to pitch this short, hopefully he's not writing a check with his mouth that his arm can't cash. I doubt it, because he seems to have grown up noticeably since last year.

 
Tom Servo said:
If the Tribe was going to lose any games in this series, it was going to be this one. Tanaka and Carrasco were both straight dealing. I know people on twitter were frustrated at everybody swinging at those nasty curves, but we've all seen those pitches and know how tempting they look. No matter how many times we tell ourselves to lay off it, we get suckered in again.

The saving grace was that Tito forced Girardi to use Chapman for a 5 out, 34 pitch and high-leverage save. Hopefully, that means he's less effective if they bring him tonight.

Bauer was announced as the game 4 starter pretty much right after the game. :lol:  I agree with this move; he's trained himself to be able to pitch this short, hopefully he's not writing a check with his mouth that his arm can't cash. I doubt it, because he seems to have grown up noticeably since last year.
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tonight's game will likely be rained out

 
Tom Servo said:
Bauer was announced as the game 4 starter pretty much right after the game. :lol:  I agree with this move; he's trained himself to be able to pitch this short, hopefully he's not writing a check with his mouth that his arm can't cash. I doubt it, because he seems to have grown up noticeably since last year.
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Was Tomlin avail to start after his relief appearance in game 2? He was also warming up last night late in the game. 

 
6 unearned runs. Swinging at nonsense. I don't get it. It's like they've never swung a bat before. Being aggressive is one thing, but chasing every pitch is goofy. Make him throw a strike before you start swinging away. Lindor started that way but where did it go? 

Why hasn't Tito swapped Ajax for Kipnis yet? His defense is hurting us, and he's not getting it done offensively either. 

 
Peak said:
6 unearned runs. Swinging at nonsense. I don't get it. It's like they've never swung a bat before. Being aggressive is one thing, but chasing every pitch is goofy. Make him throw a strike before you start swinging away. Lindor started that way but where did it go? 

Why hasn't Tito swapped Ajax for Kipnis yet? His defense is hurting us, and he's not getting it done offensively either. 
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1/3 of our lineup basically didn't contribute during much of Aug/Sept.  Think about it.  

As much as I praise Tito, I don't get some things he's done.  No way would I have thrown anyone on short rest.  No way should Kipnis be hitting 2nd against CC (maybe at all) or logging this many innings in CF.  That concerned me before the series.  AJax deserves to be playing more.  Hell, why not DH Kipnis after EE went down?  Brantley has been given too long a leash especially considering he was looked at simply as a PH going into the series.  Frustrating as always...

Kluber better be "right" going into this start, something didn't seem "right" during game 2 to me and it wasn't because his neck was sore from looking over his shoulder.

 
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Bobcat10 said:
1/3 of our lineup basically didn't contribute during much of Aug/Sept.  Think about it.  

As much as I praise Tito, I don't get some things he's done.  No way would I have thrown anyone on short rest.  No way should Kipnis be hitting 2nd against CC (maybe at all) or logging this many innings in CF.  That concerned me before the series.  AJax deserves to be playing more.  Hell, why not DH Kipnis after EE went down?  Brantley has been given too long a leash especially considering he was looked at simply as a PH going into the series.  Frustrating as always...

Kluber better be "right" going into this start, something didn't seem "right" during game 2 to me and it wasn't because his neck was sore from looking over his shoulder.
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Can't argue much here.  I had reservations with Brantley coming in as the DH after not hitting for about a month.  Kip is good to help, but I also thought the plan was to sub out for defense after awhile.  That's what I thought Allen and AJax were around to help with - hell, even Lonnie.  Bruce was standing right next to Kip on that Sac Fly, and all I could think was "let Bruce do it...Let Bruce do it!"

Not sure, but I think that line drive to Gio's leg hurt something between his ears as well.  He wasn't playing the same after that, and it cost us.  Agree that we could've pulled Kip to 2B and Jose to 3B, with AJax or Lonnie in CF to help offset the mental errors.  No adjustments were made.  Very surprised.

 
Peak said:
Can't argue much here.  I had reservations with Brantley coming in as the DH after not hitting for about a month.  Kip is good to help, but I also thought the plan was to sub out for defense after awhile.  That's what I thought Allen and AJax were around to help with - hell, even Lonnie.  Bruce was standing right next to Kip on that Sac Fly, and all I could think was "let Bruce do it...Let Bruce do it!"

Not sure, but I think that line drive to Gio's leg hurt something between his ears as well.  He wasn't playing the same after that, and it cost us.  Agree that we could've pulled Kip to 2B and Jose to 3B, with AJax or Lonnie in CF to help offset the mental errors.  No adjustments were made.  Very surprised.
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Was thinking the exact same thing.

 
I've always been a "In Tito We Trust" guy, but the Kipnis thing smacks of over-loyalty.

As far as Bauer on short rest goes, I can't say I would have had much confidence in Tomlin or Clevinger against that line-up in that stadium. If they play the kind of defense we had become accustomed to throughout the season behind Trevor it's a whole different outing.

I'm just going to assume Klubot will be Klubot tomorrow and J-Ram will stop swinging at crap and we'll have Houston on Friday.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I've always been a "In Tito We Trust" guy, but the Kipnis thing smacks of over-loyalty.

As far as Bauer on short rest goes, I can't say I would have had much confidence in Tomlin or Clevinger against that line-up in that stadium. If they play the kind of defense we had become accustomed to throughout the season behind Trevor it's a whole different outing.

I'm just going to assume Klubot will be Klubot tomorrow and J-Ram will stop swinging at crap and we'll have Houston on Friday.
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I understand that viewpoint on Bauer and I'm not going to argue against it.  But on the other side:

- History of SP on short rest

- Already taxing the pen so far in the series

- Tomlin's grit last postseason (which I also saw during this season) and his ability to grind in the elements

- You have a rested Bauer in your back pocket for game 5 just in case Kluber isn't right out of the gate (my preferred insurance policy because I don't want to get down 8-3 again)

But hey, like you sort of alluded to, if we can't beat CC with Klubot on the mound, then we deserve nothing regardless who the better team is.  And alot of guys are swinging at junk, that's pressure.  JRam is visibly frustrated in the dugout after his ABs.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
As far as Bauer on short rest goes, I can't say I would have had much confidence in Tomlin or Clevinger against that line-up in that stadium. If they play the kind of defense we had become accustomed to throughout the season behind Trevor it's a whole different outing.
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I do agree with this, and I wasn't down on Bauer getting a start on 3 days rest.  I might attribute some of the issues to the wet conditions the first inning (ex:ball slipping out of Perez's glove). Tomlin wasn't too bad in short relief, and I like him better to assist Kluber at home tomorrow vs in Yankee stadium.  Clevinger did okay, but he looked a little anxious - rushing deliveries and unsure at times.  He seems very OCD in his mannerisms and routines, and I think last night may have been a little too spontaneous for him.  Maybe I'm wrong.  :shrug:

Kluber should do well tomorrow.  He's had time to get his head right and find that missing piece that elluded him in NY.  I just want Tito to recognize some issues early and make adjustments quickly.  With CC on the mound, AJax will be in the game in LF.  But Kip still in CF.  Do you move Lonnie to CF, or keep Lonnie in LF and move AJax to CF?  If Kip is in CF to start, do you replace him early with Allen for defense?  Or do you move Kip back to 2B and Jose to 3B should Gio start to have the yips in Game 7?

How fast Tito reacts/responds to situations is the only thing that has me nervous.  I expected defensive shuffling yesterday, but it never happened.  How many errors does a player make before he has to sit for a bit?  If Gio was hitting, then let him power through the yips.  But he's not hitting, and if his defense isn't there - why is he in the game?  

 
Reports out of CLE are that EE has been jogging in the OF during workouts today.  Tito believes he'll be able to play tomorrow night.  

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2017/10/cleveland_indians_terry_franco_69.html

Asked if Encarnacion could play in Wednesday's winner-take-all game, Francona said, "I think so. He's been hitting off the machine already. We're going to have him run during the workout today. He's never exactly our biggest basestealing threat, but we want to use common sense.

"He'll do some running during our workout and we'll gauge where he is. But I think he's going to be OK."
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One last one from Kluber...via Jordan Bastian

Kluber was asked what he learned from his Game 2 start and what he'll aim to correct for Game 5. His in-depth, detailed reply: "Everything."
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Something tells me this isn't an off the cuff answer and he truly means what he said.  I also imagined this in a robotic voice as he held his stoic glare across the crowd.

 
I thought we were lining up for an EE ph app yesterday if he could tie the game with one swing. Almost got to that point and I thought he still might in the 9th, but never happened. Wonder if he was avail for it. I'd wager on him playing tomorrow.

 
All signs pointing to EE in at DH tomorrow. 

I also just found out that I have a ticket waiting for me in CLE for the game! First time at an Indians game in Progressive Field!  Even though it's a long drive from Cincinnati, I can't wait!   :thumbup: :D :excited: :pickle:

 
If klubot gets shelled again it just wasn't meant to be.

Sometimes even the best pitchers lose, anyone that has ever played any sport can tell you that some nights you feel good, but you can just have a bad night.

Kluber has way more good nights than bad nights, so I'd be betting on us seeing great Kluber tonight.

 
Peak said:
One last one from Kluber...via Jordan Bastian

Something tells me this isn't an off the cuff answer and he truly means what he said.  I also imagined this in a robotic voice as he held his stoic glare across the crowd.
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I would agree with this. Klubot is professional enough to know what he has to do (Carrasco & Salazar too except Salazar physically isn't able to make it work). I would bet shadyridr a donut that Kluber isn't getting shelled tonight. 

 
Tom Servo said:
I would agree with this. Klubot is professional enough to know what he has to do (Carrasco & Salazar too except Salazar physically isn't able to make it work). I would bet shadyridr a donut that Kluber isn't getting shelled tonight. 
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