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***Official Closer Thread: Kraft wasn't patient enough w/ Andrew Bailey (1 Viewer)
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Eephus
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Betances looks terrible. Great since he's facing Jays...not so much when I own him on multiple teams.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Brett Cecil coming in Jays up 3-1, bases loaded, none out 8th inning to face Beltran. Exactly how he should be used but makes him iffy for saves if Jays will be first team in history to use their bullpen properly.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Loup+Cecil= 
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Gibbons set Cecil Up to fail... bases loaded none out in the 8th up 2 to get six outs in your 2nd game of the year?Loup+Cecil=
Northern Voice
Footballguy
He wasn't going to pitch the 9th. That was where you should use your best reliever.Gibbons set Cecil Up to fail... bases loaded none out in the 8th up 2 to get six outs in your 2nd game of the year?Loup+Cecil=
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nats used Blake Treinen last night in the 8th. Not sure if it means he's the first option behind Storen, they could opt for Barrett or the vet Thornton instead, but the stuff looked very good. If I had to predict who gets the saves in the event of a Storen injury I'd probably go with Treinen.
shady inc
Footballguy
just added him. liked what i saw and think he is def. next in line if storen struggles or gets hurt.
dparker713
Footballguy
kupcho1
Footballguy
And that's Cecil?He wasn't going to pitch the 9th. That was where you should use your best reliever.Gibbons set Cecil Up to fail... bases loaded none out in the 8th up 2 to get six outs in your 2nd game of the year?Loup+Cecil=
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Based on history, yes. 12.8 K/9, 0.34 HR/9, 53.8 GB% last year. There's a reason he's in the closer role.And that's Cecil?He wasn't going to pitch the 9th. That was where you should use your best reliever.Gibbons set Cecil Up to fail... bases loaded none out in the 8th up 2 to get six outs in your 2nd game of the year?Loup+Cecil=
The only other real options there are Castro/Osuna but they're so unproven... maybe next time.
ETA - If Cecil had gotten out of that in the 8th, Osuna would have pitched the 9th according to Gibbons.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Hope you took me serious.
@SNBarryDavis 7m7 minutes ago
Wih Cecil not quite back to where he should be, he'll be 7th/8th inning guy. If there's a save situation tonight, Castro gets it. #bluejays
@SNBarryDavis 5m5 minutes ago
Gibbons feels Castro has passed every test tonight and feels more than comfortable using him in that situation. #bluejays
pantagrapher
Footballguy
So Castro is the pickup over Osuna here?
Northern Voice
Footballguy
For now, yes, Castro. They will play matchups though, Castro will be highest leverage righty reliever, Cecil lefty... no designated 9th inning only guy from what they're saying.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
NV now has Cecil, Castro, Osuna and Aaron Sanchez on his Serious Biz squad. Duane Ward is available as a FA, you know you want him
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Northern Voice
Footballguy
If I started all of them, I'd have a nice tidy 3.1 IP, 5K, 0.00 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 1 SV line to show tonight.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Dropped 25% of my FAAB budget on Castro. I know that was probably stupid, but I like to blow my load early and the SP eligible closer is such an advantage in a league with no "P" slots, it's worth the shot.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
If Soria is rolling along, there is no way IMO Nathan goes back to closing. Regardless, Nathan is gonna be out a month it seems so any decision to pick up Soria over someone else should have that as a primary consideration.
cheese
Footballguy
Both worth a lot in short term
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Soria and Clippard seem to be about equivalent to me
Same age, almost the same K%, GB%, and WHIP for their careers.
Soria's FIP and BB% are a little better, though Clippard has a better K/9.
A's and Tigers projected to be 2 wins apart this year, so save opportunities should be about equivalent.
Both seem like they are in position to hold the job long term, though maybe Soria slightly moreso?
I think that it will come down to that long-term question of who is more likely to hold the job, but it is hard for me to put a number on that.
Same age, almost the same K%, GB%, and WHIP for their careers.
Soria's FIP and BB% are a little better, though Clippard has a better K/9.
A's and Tigers projected to be 2 wins apart this year, so save opportunities should be about equivalent.
Both seem like they are in position to hold the job long term, though maybe Soria slightly moreso?
I think that it will come down to that long-term question of who is more likely to hold the job, but it is hard for me to put a number on that.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Clippard is actually worse by a fair margin in GB%. I was misreading something.
Maybe the answer is just to drop Santiago Casilla and hold on to both Clippard and Soria. Casilla is worse statistically, but seems to me to have a better long-term hold on the spot.
Anyone want to just manage my team for me?
Maybe the answer is just to drop Santiago Casilla and hold on to both Clippard and Soria. Casilla is worse statistically, but seems to me to have a better long-term hold on the spot.
Anyone want to just manage my team for me?
Eephus
Footballguy
Predicting these three is pure guesswork at this point. Careful analysis may get you from 33.333% to 33.334% accuracy. They all have the potential to perform well in the role. In roto, I'd hold them all and wait until their situations change. You can always catch up in IP over the next five months.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I like Nathan the least, thus I like Soria the most.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
But I need that .001%!!
I agree with youze guys. Just making sure that I am not missing some big thing.
I agree with youze guys. Just making sure that I am not missing some big thing.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Good thing I spent all this time agonizing over this thing while Cody Allen ####s me in the ###.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Oh please, it will be at least 4 or 5 weeks until I have an aneurysm.
The Ref
Footballguy
Source - Tiger fan
Rockies manager Walt Weiss said Monday that pitcher LaTroy Hawkins will get "a break" from closing duties, the Denver Postreports.
Rafael Betancourt will be in line to get a save opportunity Monday if needed, but the team could also use Adam Ottavinoor Boone Logan in the role. Ottavino is likely unavailable Monday after pitching Saturday and Sunday but has racked up seven strikeouts in 4 1/3 scoreless innings while allowing just one hit and one walk. Logan has tossed three perfect innings in three appearaces.
Rockies manager Walt Weiss said Monday that pitcher LaTroy Hawkins will get "a break" from closing duties, the Denver Postreports.
Rafael Betancourt will be in line to get a save opportunity Monday if needed, but the team could also use Adam Ottavinoor Boone Logan in the role. Ottavino is likely unavailable Monday after pitching Saturday and Sunday but has racked up seven strikeouts in 4 1/3 scoreless innings while allowing just one hit and one walk. Logan has tossed three perfect innings in three appearaces.
Eephus
Footballguy
I'm not sold on Ottavino. He needs to have his wipeout slider sliding to be effective, which is a tough task in the thin air.
Betancourt has been effective before and was excellent in spring training. He's a fly ball pitcher, which can be tough in the thin air.
I like both better than Axford.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Heard a few weeks ago that they would consider Boone Logan in the 9th, too. Might have ourselves a committee, since Weiss can be such a weirdo. I own Ottavino, but I can understand the argument for Betancourt to get first shot.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Weiss apparently said something about wanting Ottavino to face the heart of the order whether it is in the 7th, 8th or 9th. So, probably a mixed bag for saves in COL.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Hell, maybe it's Ottavino.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What happened with Castro last night? Pitching the 8th In a tie game?
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Thought that looked crazy when I was following the game cast, but according to what I read on twitter from Blue Jays writers, it was a high-leverage situation and they wanted him in there. I think he's still the favorite to close games (probably not tonight though).
MAC_32
Footballguy
@closernews · 13h13 hours ago
#BlueJays went to Castro with 2 outs in 7th inning of tied game. Got out of inning but struggled a bit in the 8th inning.
@closernewshttps://twitter.com/closernews · 13h13 hours ago
Castro allowed bunt single to Souza, who stole and advanced on Martin error, then scored on SF. Overall line: 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
@closernews · 13h13 hours ago
Also of note: Castro's walk was an intentional one to Evan Longoria.
Reads like usage based on high leverage situation.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Kraft...
Footballguy
NV = PLUGGED IN!
