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Great post. I'd consider it progress if businesses got the message to open the dang doors and windows two years into fighting an airborne virus, but yes upgrading ventilation systems is an opportunity we're really not embracing all that much. I'm sure that's because it costs money, so we can't be having that now.
I assume you guys are talking commercial buildings?
Yeah I dont plan on it either, especially if the 5-6 month time frame is still the recommendation
I don't have any personal objection to a booster-every-6-months regimen, but I'm very skeptical that that's where we land. I'm in the "it's probably going to be something like a flu shot" camp for the time being.
No understood. I said from the beginning I'm wary of getting more shots in tight time frames.... I got a booster November/December but I'm not taking another in "April" with a Omnicron mix
I dont disagree. I'm pro vaccine and booster but I also said im not overly comfortable getting one every 5 months or so
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Finally some good news for this young lady. Originally the sister told my wife she was going there to get ECMO treatment. She is pretty shook up and taking care of the newborn as well as dealing with her sister in the hospital. I'm not too surprised we are getting sketchy info. I can only imagine what she is going through. Apparently she was transported to the Cleveland Clinic to go onto the ECMO IF SHE DID NOT IMPROVE. She was on 100% oxygen and was not improving. Since she has been at the Clinic she has started to improve. They are alternating her between the prone position and her back. Her oxygen levels on the vent have been reduced some and they said if they get her to 30% they will try taking her off the vent again.
Still a long way to go for her and she is hanging on by a string but it seems like she has some fight left in her.
Boosters will perhaps have prophylactic uses in the future. I'll crib from myself in the TPF Omicron thread:
Basically, boosters might serve as symptom control before events for which you'd prefer to not come down with symptoms. You've been looking forward to that convention for months ... would suck to be hacking the whole time even if your symptoms are mild. Would love for the visit with Grandma to go smoothly, but that barking cough will get you kicked right out of the assisted-living place. And so on.
I thought monoclonal antibodies needed to be administered early in the course of the infection? Surely we're not so flush with those treatments (aren't there shortages?) that they're now being offered as placebos, like Z-packs? Or is it "Forget it, Jake - it's Florida"?
More good news.. Mom is now AWAKE but still on the vent at 41%. She is coherent now though and has been looking at pictures of the baby! The plan is to try taking her off the ventilator next week.
Also found out for sure that (surprise) mom was NOT vaccinated. She was leery of it prior to the pregnancy and was considered high risk due to a still born child previously. Because she was already high risk, she didn't want to take the "risk" with the vaccine while being pregnant. I can't say I blame her there. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I can understand her fears there.
All in all she is progressing pretty well. Super happy for her.
Update: 4 more schools in the region have gone virtual due to student/staff outages. Dominoes are toppling. smhNathan R. Jessep said:
Yea thats what i thought as well. Also i thought they werent as effective with Omicron. Nevertheless if the doctor feels it will help, then i would say follow the doctors advice.
My wife's doctor strongly urged her to get them. She has one comorbidity, asthma. The doctor said he had seen several patients get worse after appearing to get better.
Currently monoclonals are being given within 10 days of first symptoms.
OR, hear me out, it's a radical ####### idea, OR we could have bought some of these a year and a half ago and put them all over the place. Some quick math (I know...I was told there would be no math either), for the cost of $1 Billion dollars which is a pittance to what we've thrown at this thing so far we could have bought:
OR, hear me out, it's a radical ####### idea, OR we could have bought some of these a year and a half ago and put them all over the place. Some quick math (I know...I was told there would be no math either), for the cost of $1 Billion dollars which is a pittance to what we've thrown at this thing so far we could have bought:
12,658,228 Medify MA-14 HEPA filters that are about the size of a coffee maker and can sit on a desk OR
4,784,689 Medify MA-40 HEPA filters that would work well in a normal sized classroom
That's at Amazon cost today. With any kind of quantity you could get those units for a quarter of that cost. Meh, still baffles me why we ignore this
Not to belabor the point, but this is a huge miss 2 years in. Agree with the point above that short-term thinking is negatively affecting the true cost/benefit analysis.OR, hear me out, it's a radical ####### idea, OR we could have bought some of these a year and a half ago and put them all over the place. Some quick math (I know...I was told there would be no math either), for the cost of $1 Billion dollars which is a pittance to what we've thrown at this thing so far we could have bought:
12,658,228 Medify MA-14 HEPA filters that are about the size of a coffee maker and can sit on a desk OR
4,784,689 Medify MA-40 HEPA filters that would work well in a normal sized classroom
That's at Amazon cost today. With any kind of quantity you could get those units for a quarter of that cost. Meh, still baffles me why we ignore this
Agreed 100%. So happy to hear of some improvement.More good news.. Mom is now AWAKE but still on the vent at 41%. She is coherent now though and has been looking at pictures of the baby! The plan is to try taking her off the ventilator next week.
Also found out for sure that (surprise) mom was NOT vaccinated. She was leery of it prior to the pregnancy and was considered high risk due to a still born child previously. Because she was already high risk, she didn't want to take the "risk" with the vaccine while being pregnant. I can't say I blame her there. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I can understand her fears there.
All in all she is progressing pretty well. Super happy for her.
More good news.. Mom is now AWAKE but still on the vent at 41%. She is coherent now though and has been looking at pictures of the baby! The plan is to try taking her off the ventilator next week.
Also found out for sure that (surprise) mom was NOT vaccinated. She was leery of it prior to the pregnancy and was considered high risk due to a still born child previously. Because she was already high risk, she didn't want to take the "risk" with the vaccine while being pregnant. I can't say I blame her there. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I can understand her fears there.
All in all she is progressing pretty well. Super happy for her.
So you say let's just stick our heads in the sand, and let this turn into a full on nationwide inferno... thereby completely collapsing our healthcare system, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions more people due to a lack of even remotely adequate healthcare resources?
Me too pretty much. I'm just bitter because I had to pick my son up from day care today. He's out for two weeks because another parent tested their kid. Why? If he/she is sick just keep them home. Why test them? We really need to go full alert here and keep all these other kids home too? Now their parents can't work. Which stresses the businesses they work for financially. We're stressing the government financially. It's ridiculous at this point. We're losing big time. Just stop the nonsense.
You don't know why people are testing (a) themselves and/or (b) their children once respiratory symptoms set in?
I'm not saying stick our heads in the sand. I'm saying we should stop testing. Are you under the impression what we're doing is working? Or, worded differently, is what we're doing in terms of testing making a positive difference on day to day life? In my opinion, it's crippling this nation.So you say let's just stick our heads in the sand, and let this turn into a full on nationwide inferno... thereby completely collapsing our healthcare system, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions more people due to a lack of even remotely adequate healthcare resources?
Yeahhhhhh.. i'm not sure I'm down to sign up for that.
Our current system isn't perfect, but the mitigation effects in place are the only reason our healthcare system is still standing.
I know why people are testing. I'm asking, what's the point? It doesn't seem to be accomplishing anything.
Stop buying and mass producing all these tests. Use ALL that money and give it to healthcare workers fighting Covid.
You test for COVID because you or your child might have been around vulnerable people in recent days (not just old people, either). If you or your child come up positive, you make some phone calls to those you've been around over the last few days and give them a heads up so they make their own decisions on what they need to do.
Personally, I think its ridiculous to test if you have no symptoms during this Omicron wave. Its so wide spread there is no avoiding it. The only reason I would test with no symptoms if I happened to be visiting and elderly or immunocompromised person.
Let's just say all the tests disappeared tomorrow. Assuming you've developed symptoms, wouldn't you call them anyway? Wouldn't you avoid spending time with them anyway?
What do you mean? My family has been through this over the past week, and we did, in fact, check on people my COVID-positive son had been around recently. My brother- and sister-in-law did the same thing (BIL positive five days after we had dinner with them).
