*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (31 Viewers)

[Doug B]

Picked up some adult undergarments, fish oil supplements and other essential items for a senior, heart-transplant recipient, neighbor friend of mine. Dropped the items off outside, honked the horn and left. Social distancing.

Your neighbor is mobile, or lives with someone who is?

BTW ... what you did pretty much demonstrates the way restaurant take-out should more or less be done these days.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

A few folks here are shooting these down for some reason.

I don’t see any issue sharing medical advice 

I have issue with the SOME 3rd PARTY CONTACT SAYS GO BUY FOOD NOW!!! type of posts 

 

[DrJ]

It's been interesting on social media to observe who is able to drop partisan politics for a moment and who isn't.  I'm with you -- I've basically been tuning out the president and trying to listen to others.  But there are lots of folks out there still in full-blown partisan combat mode.  I point that out not to inject politics into the thread because I'm not going to blame or name anybody in particular, just to point out that it does not bode well.

Didn't vote for Trump, don't like him, planned to not vote for him this time around no matter who he was against.    But I'm with him on this, and hope he stands his ground.

 

[Doug B]

Not sure so sure about this...health care workers especially.  I haven't been in a grocery store for over a week, but are those employees wearing PPE?  They are routinely being exposed to people and the things they touch.

Around here, gloves for grocery-store workers are de rigeur. Earloop masks would be useful for cashiers, but I've only seen a few with masks so far.

EDIT: Forgot to add, cashiers do wear gloves, and they also should be sanitizing/washing hands at every convenient opportunity. One local grocery store I've visited also does alcohol wipedowns of the conveyor belt and some cashier-area surfaces every few customers.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Picked up some adult undergarments, fish oil supplements and other essential items for a senior, heart-transplant recipient, neighbor friend of mine. Dropped the items off outside, honked the horn and left. Social distancing.

Your neighbor is mobile, or lives with someone who is?

BTW ... what you did pretty much demonstrates the way restaurant take-out should more or less be done these days.

Good question. He is somewhat mobile, uses a walker. He lives with his wife. She is elderly too, but she is in pretty good shape and quite mobile. He had his heart transplant almost 10 years ago. Pretty incredible at his age. My wife and I have been looking out for them for almost 20 years now.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Not sure so sure about this...health care workers especially.  I haven't been in a grocery store for over a week, but are those employees wearing PPE?  They are routinely being exposed to people and the things they touch.

I did a consolidated trip Saturday (Pharmacy, Beer, Grocery) here in RI (68 cases that day, iirc?) and the pharmacy drive-up tech had gloves on. The beer store had a cardboard sign at each register reminding people of social distance and the cashiers wore gloves. Grocery store employees, including cashiers wore gloves. I was one of 3 shoppers that wore gloves, out of ~ 50ish people in the 30 minutes I was there. Social D is not easy in grocery store isles but there were quite a few that just parked right up next to someone else in any given isle. Nobody had masks.

 

[Doug B]

The unintended consequence of shutting down restaurant takeout is the grocery stores will he burdened to supply more food to the public than they are designed to, making the crowds at grocery stores even bigger.

... are people eating quite that much take-out? I know my family situation is not the national default, but stripping out take-out has been pretty seamless and painless for us. We used to do take-out of some kind no less than once a week and often more.

 

[Doug B]

I know we are trying to avoid "hearsay" comments, but a friend of mine is a Doctor in NY, within the hospital systems (forget which).  He posted on facebook some info on how one might know they are infected, early signs... should I share?

It's not "sourced" other than Koya's Doctor friend.

I don't see the problem with it. Maybe the info can be corroborated with some published online somewhere. It's not some kind of esoteric controversial info, is it? Like something most other doctors would say is obvious BS, snake oil, quackery, etc.?

 

[Doug B]

I'm seeing this work pretty well here in Dallas.  Many if not most places are doing curbside pickup, with little to know interaction and contact at all. Another I know if placing paper bags on the counter so people can come in, pick it up, no interaction at all.

So long as people aren't allowed to line up or congregate in or near the establishment ... this works.

 

[Doug B]

A few folks here are shooting these down for some reason.

What people were more specifically shooting down were "panic incitements" -- e.g. "[The government] is going to order a lockdown soon, so go out and get what you need NOW!" The house gets miffed, and the posters generally say "they didn't mean to!"

 

[Navin Johnson]

You gave them a free pass for being young.    Some of these people believe that god has chosen who will get corona, who will live, who will die, and the most important thing is they pay him respect so they make it to heaven and avoid hell.    You can believe they're wrong, they don't.    And it isn't your right to tell them what to believe.     And it's ridiculous to think their beliefs deserve far more criticism than beach goers, regardless of their age.  

If you are going to hold that sort of laissez faire attitude toward the disease, the you should be given lowest priority when it comes to access to recovery services, since, you know, god has already decided whether you are going to live or die.

 

[Dezbelief]

https://i.ibb.co/4T6b92H/image.png

Nice illustration and list of the symptoms of CV19, the flu and the common cold. Please share.

 

[rick6668]

... are people eating quite that much take-out? I know my family situation is not the national default, but stripping out take-out has been pretty seamless and painless for us. We used to do take-out of some kind no less than once a week and often more.

That's a good question.  Take out for my family is almost exclusively pizza.  I had picked up a 5kg bag of caputo pizza flour a few months ago and I decided to make my own dough and make pizzas on my stone the past week.  I have to tell you, it is just as good as the take out places around here.  Amazing.

 

[krista4]

Around here, gloves for grocery-store workers are de rigeur. Earloop masks would be useful for cashiers, but I've only seen a few with masks so far.

EDIT: Forgot to add, cashiers do wear gloves, and they also should be sanitizing/washing hands at every convenient opportunity. One local grocery store I've visited also does alcohol wipedowns of the conveyor belt and some cashier-area surfaces every few customers.

Our best local grocery is wiping down/sanitizing these surfaces after every customer.

... are people eating quite that much take-out? I know my family situation is not the national default, but stripping out take-out has been pretty seamless and painless for us. We used to do take-out of some kind no less than once a week and often more.

Mr krista’s restaurant has been slammed with takeout orders.  

They have only one cook and one server working at any time, and they only allow one customer to come in at a time for pickup.  Nonetheless, we’ve decided it’s just not worth the risk, and he’s going to give up his hours to someone else.

 

[Doug B]

There's also nothing at all dangerous about going to the beach. The danger is in congregating anywhere. 

As a general outdoor space, yes. But people have a way of garbling the message. A lot of people, for instance, think that COVID cannot spread outdoors at all. So when they hear "OK for a person to go to the beach alone", they comprehend "Beach is fine! No need for social distancing!"

 

[Navin Johnson]

It's not hard to grocery-shop safely if not overly crowded ... you mainly need something handy to sanitize your hands with as you go.

However, if you go to a grocery store and it's wall-to-wall people ... go another time or to another store.

...

Just a side point for the house:

Sometimes in meatspace and a few times online ... I've run into the argument "If it's fine to grocery shop, it should be fine to do X!" Where that seemingly reasonable argument falls apart is that having food is a true necessity, so taking a risk to get food is worth it especially if precautions are taken. On the other hand, most of the other things people want to keep doing and want to keep justifying are not "true necessities" so any comparison to food/medicine shopping falls flat.

Our stores started putting markers 6 feet apart at the check out lines and deli/meat counters last Friday.  Saturday plexiglass bubbles went up around the cashiers and you aren't allowed to pay with cash (you can get cash back somehow, not sure how that works.)  Today they started marking all of the aisles with tape.

 

[CurlyNight]

Wish I could buy some of it. The only only delivers in NYC

This small farm family of 10 makes high quality products. I used their stuff through chemo and will always patronise them. Their farm is shut down so I'm especially trying to help small businesses like them. I have their hand sanitiser in the almond scent. The scents available are all their soap scents. They haven't listed every scent on the hand sanitiser page.

Goatmilkstuff.com 

 

[skol asylum]

It's the washington post. Ignore. 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Navin Johnson]

 Going to the beach is far more unnecessary.     There is literally nothing essential about going to the beach.  

Literally nothing essential about attending church either.

 

[DrJ]

As a general outdoor space, yes. But people have a way of garbling the message. A lot of people, for instance, think that COVID cannot spread outdoors at all. So when they hear "OK for a person to go to the beach alone", they comprehend "Beach is fine! No need for social distancing!"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crowds-packed-california-beaches-despite-shelter-in-place-order/ar-BB11ySQr

yeah apparently California beaches are still mega packed.    But hey, they're young.   

 

[DrJ]

Literally nothing essential about attending church either.

And that's fine - I don't go to church and if I did I wouldn't because of this.   But sitting here and acting like these people are reprehensible compared to people going to beaches just because the beach goers are younger just makes no sense to me.     And shows a strong bias against them.   That's the main point.   

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Our stores started putting markers 6 feet apart at the check out lines and deli/meat counters last Friday.  Saturday plexiglass bubbles went up around the cashiers and you aren't allowed to pay with cash (you can get cash back somehow, not sure how that works.)  Today they started marking all of the aisles with tape.

This should go in the "good things to come out of the coronavirus" thread.  Even better if they ban check-writing.

 

[Navin Johnson]

How often are they changing them?

We got take out from the local gelateria last night.  From what I could tell, they don't touch anything outside of the establishment.  We paid by PP.

 

[skol asylum]

Don't know the source of the numbers or potential for accuracy, but downright disturbing and depressive.

https://covidactnow.org/

This just sucks.

This needs more attention. The numbers are staggering. I hope this model is extremely off base. It seems hopeless in that we aren't and won't do the quarantine necessary and there's no way we can get enough triage care supplies. 

At this point it seems the only hope is an antiviral like the malaria drug they are looking at working and getting distributed ASAP.

 

[Doug B]

It is irresponsible. Sure. But they are less likely to catch and less likely to spread. So if comparing the two choices to me it is easy. And none of that even brings into play what you were saying about being young and that young people do dumb things. 

If you mean 'young people', I don't believe this is true. Don't conflate "getting infected" with "visible symptoms".

 

[Doug B]

I ordered take out this past Friday.  Ordered at 5 pm.  Was told to pick up at 5:45 pm.  I show up at 5:45 and there are 14, mostly older gentlemen, hanging around the counter BS'ing with each other in close proximity.  I stood across the room by myself wearing gloves and a mask.  A few curious looks were thrown my way.  At one point another guy walked in and one of those hanging around the counter went up to him and gave him big hug and they continued to chat.  Slowly orders were coming out and some people would leave, but others were coming in to replace them.  Money was changing hands...credit carts...pens to sign... (I brought my own pen).   I ended up having to wait a half hour for my food.   This was not a model of how to do take out.  I would love to support the local businesses, but that will be the last take out I order for quite some time.

Yep ... have to punish the ones doing it right to stamp this stuff out.

 

[DrJ]

If you mean 'young people', I don't believe this is true. Don't conflate "getting infected" with "visible symptoms".

Yeah, of the people that running all over the place, the ones less likely to show symptoms are clearly the ones more dangerous.

 

[Navin Johnson]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crowds-packed-california-beaches-despite-shelter-in-place-order/ar-BB11ySQr

yeah apparently California beaches are still mega packed.    But hey, they're young.   

That beach hardly looks mega packed in the photo.

 

[Navin Johnson]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crowds-packed-california-beaches-despite-shelter-in-place-order/ar-BB11ySQr

yeah apparently California beaches are still mega packed.    But hey, they're young.   

That beach hardly looks mega packed in the photo.

 

[CurlyNight]

Exciting new Corona Virus safety product-  the 6' stick! Carry it with you wherever you go to "keep your space."

I don't think it's funny. The social distancing of 6 ft is a must.

If my dad wasn't disabled and had to fend for himself, I'd probably get him one. He doesn't see or hear well and his sense of proximity could be off. 

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Hong Kong (CNN) - Only a week ago, Hong Kong seemed like a model for how to contain the novel coronavirus, with a relatively small number of cases despite months of being on the front lines of the outbreak.

That was in large part thanks to action taken early on, while cases were spreading across mainland China, to implement measures that are now familiar throughout the world: virus mapping, social distancing, intensive hand-washing, and wearing masks and other protective clothing.

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America.

Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

On Monday, Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced that all non-residents would be barred from the territory as of Wednesday, the latest addition to a raft of new measures.

This is a pattern playing out across parts of Asia -- mainland China, Singapore, Taiwan -- that were among the first to tackle the outbreak. All are now introducing new restrictions as a sudden wave of renewed cases begins to crest.

 

[DrJ]

That beach hardly looks mega packed in the photo.

Yeah, whole lot of social distancing going on there.    But hey, they're young, and they live in California.   All good.   

 

[shader]

Italy reports 4,789 new cases and 601 new deaths.

Second straight day where the new cases have fallen.  We have to keep this in perspective, as 5k new cases is 5k new cases.  Every day there are that many new cases is another day the quarantine must continue.

But it's still good news.  

 

[Koya]

... are people eating quite that much take-out? I know my family situation is not the national default, but stripping out take-out has been pretty seamless and painless for us. We used to do take-out of some kind no less than once a week and often more.

I live in an urban area (Uptown, Dallas).  Households of ALL types (it's a range of young and mid career professionals, and empty nesters) do FAR less cooking at home than in suburban areas.  I'd say those 35 and under, ESPECIALLY 30 and under, do very little home cooking. Many don't really know how, and/or are not even equipped to do so unless reheating pizza counts.  And there is a large portion of my neighborhoods and the 6 that surround it which fall into this category.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Yeah, whole lot of social distancing going on there.    But hey, they're young, and they live in California.   All good.   

Lot easier to keep a buffer in that photo yet you're an apologist for those who choose to congregate with 1000+ others sitting shoulder to shoulder in a church pew

 

[Biff84]

Not sure so sure about this...health care workers especially.  I haven't been in a grocery store for over a week, but are those employees wearing PPE?  They are routinely being exposed to people and the things they touch.

There just isn’t enough PPE to go around. The grocery store pharmacy I work at Safeway/Albertsons says they are working to get us PPE to use in the pharmacy but I’m not holding my breath. We have some very basic masks in the pharmacy but not enough for daily use and very little chance to get more. Saving them for when we really need them. And that’s the pharmacy staff, not even to consider the cashiers and everyone stocking the shelves.

 

[DrJ]

Exactly, I did not vote for Trump but his leadership during this crisis is a big reason why I will be voting for him in November.  

Yeah, I don't think he hurts his re-election chances going this route.   The people that are all complaining about him weren't going to vote for him anyways.    He's better off representing the people that did.   

 

[DrJ]

Lot easier to keep a buffer in that photo yet you're an apologist for those who choose to congregate with 1000+ others sitting shoulder to shoulder in a church pew

Yeah flip to the next photo and look at the people on bikes.     I'm not being the apologist, that's you here.   I don't have a problem saying the church people were irresponsible.   But trying to make them far more irresponsible than these other groups is silly.   

 

[Koya]

Exactly, I did not vote for Trump but his leadership during this crisis is a big reason why I will be voting for him in November.  

Not looking to get political, this is about management... what about our nation's federal leadership do you see as such a positive? Most everyone I know other than diehard partisans feel there has been quite a void of leadership at the top, full of mixed messages, lack of clarity, no sense of a cohesive strategy and therefore a lack of consistent tactics and even resources for states and localities. That, coupled with the depletion of federal agencies and organizations charged with preventing and handling epidemic crises like this seems to be something we need to learn FROM in the future (and right now, to avoid more spread), rather than the opposite.

As to leadership, Gov. Cuomo, whom I differ with on a lot, and REALLY have had issues with of late (bail reform coupled with appeasing lobbies and interests more than people who need it) has been absolutely fantastic.  And even a number of my republican friends from NY have admitted as such, as they try to rise above partisanship to find means of actually benefiting our residents and communities.

 

[DrJ]

Not looking to get political, this is about management... what about our nation's federal leadership do you see as such a positive? Most everyone I know other than diehard partisans feel there has been quite a void of leadership at the top, full of mixed messages, lack of clarity, no sense of a cohesive strategy and therefore a lack of consistent tactics and even resources for states and localities. That, coupled with the depletion of federal agencies and organizations charged with preventing and handling epidemic crises like this seems to be something we need to learn FROM in the future (and right now, to avoid more spread), rather than the opposite.

As to leadership, Gov. Cuomo, whom I differ with on a lot, and REALLY have had issues with of late (bail reform coupled with appeasing lobbies and interests more than people who need it) has been absolutely fantastic.  And even a number of my republican friends from NY have admitted as such, as they try to rise above partisanship to find means of actually benefiting our residents and communities.

He was right to not over react IMO.    He's actually been worse the couple weeks as he let people shame him into backing off of his stance.    I hope he gets back to what he was doing to start.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb Issues ‘Stay-at-Home’ Order Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/indiana-gov-eric-holcomb-issues-stay-at-home-order-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2242781/

 

[Redwes25]

Not looking to get political, this is about management... what about our nation's federal leadership do you see as such a positive? Most everyone I know other than diehard partisans feel there has been quite a void of leadership at the top, full of mixed messages, lack of clarity, no sense of a cohesive strategy and therefore a lack of consistent tactics and even resources for states and localities. That, coupled with the depletion of federal agencies and organizations charged with preventing and handling epidemic crises like this seems to be something we need to learn FROM in the future (and right now, to avoid more spread), rather than the opposite.

As to leadership, Gov. Cuomo, whom I differ with on a lot, and REALLY have had issues with of late (bail reform coupled with appeasing lobbies and interests more than people who need it) has been absolutely fantastic.  And even a number of my republican friends from NY have admitted as such, as they try to rise above partisanship to find means of actually benefiting our residents and communities.

Please take these posts to PSF. Thanks

 

[CurlyNight]

LA Board of Pharmacy has issued a new rule. Can't dispense chloroquine nor hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 without a diagnosis code confirmed by a positive test result documented on the prescription or medical order. Even then, 14-day supply max quantity. No refills allowed. 

Good. ODs have happened in Nigeria and probably other countries. You just don't pop pills. That's why we have docs that evaluate each of us before rxing anything. 

 

[Doug B]

Yeah, of the people that running all over the place, the ones less likely to show symptoms are clearly the ones more dangerous.

Sneezes, eye-wiping, saliva, etc. from asymptomatic carriers do still spread the virus. Maybe such carriers are somewhat less dangerous than the obvious "coughing their head off" guy ... but not by a ton IMHO.

 

[DrJ]

Sneezes, eye-wiping, saliva, etc. from asymptomatic carriers do still spread the virus. Maybe such carriers are somewhat less dangerous than the obvious "coughing their head off" guy ... but not by a ton IMHO.

But symptomatic people are also going to be more likely to avoid people, seek medical treatment, etc.   

 

[CurlyNight]

why the F would you call an EMT if you didn't want to go to the hospital?

To get a medical opinion before going to a place no one wants to be?

 

[Smack Tripper]

To get a medical opinion before going to a place no one wants to be?

Call your doctor.  An EMT is not in a position to diagnose nor are they your therapist.  

 

[Galileo]

Anyone have any information on how long the virus remains contagious?  There is a lot of 14 day quarantining going on, but that seems to be based upon incubation period and symptoms running their course.  If you are a carrier, asymptomatic or recovered, for what period of time can you pass this along to others?

 

[Koya]

Please take these posts to PSF. Thanks

I am not trying to be political, trying to determine what we as a nation should do in terms of practice and management of this crisis.  I'll let it go, but feel its an essential component to figuring out what our next steps are to get this under control.

 

[skol asylum]

He was right to not over react IMO.    He's actually been worse the couple weeks as he let people shame him into backing off of his stance.    I hope he gets back to what he was doing to start.

OVER

REACT

Please GTFO.