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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (15 Viewers)

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1)  The reason to wear a mask in public is not for YOUR personal protection.  It's to limit the spread to others and for the protection of all.  Especially since it's clear now that those with the virus that have no symptoms are still infectious and are unknowingly spreading it when they breathe/sneeze/cough and those droplets fall around them. 
This is false. It is for BOTH. You can argue the primary benefit is for those around you, but you don't get to write off the rest of the equation because it suits you. Especially when right now only a small fraction of people are wearing masks. 

2)  To that effect, a simple face mask is all you need in public.  It accomplishes the above just the same as an N95 mask.  Your N95 mask is not necessary at all in public.  Even if you are higher risk or live with higher risk people.  If all you have is an N95 or if you some old ones laying around and want to wear it, have at it.  But there's nothing in the grocery store or wherever else you're going that it's protecting you from.
This is more bad information. It is based 100% on assuming that #1 is true, which it isn't, but even if #1 was true, an N95 mask would prevent more droplets from making their way onto a surface or onto a person if the wearer coughed or sneezed. You literally have to deny the science of a mask rating in order to claim that an N95 mask blocks the same number of particles as a bandana covering your mouth upon exit. Why would anybody try to make that claim? It is insane.

3)  If you still don't believe #2, then you should be wearing goggles while out in public too.  Because if this thing is aerosolized in public places to the extent that you'd need an N95 mask (which it's not), then your exposed eyes are allowing entry of the virus as well. 
This is silly logic. This is like arguing that wearing a tshirt is the same as wearing a bulletproof vest with a couple holes in it. It is a terrible argument. 

Final note:  Medical providers are not "lying" to the public.  We want nothing more than to help stop the spread of this.  We are still learning a lot about this virus in particular as well as how to handle a pandemic of this magnitude.  
Posting completely false information is the same as lying. Even if you want to argue they aren't false, you admit you are still learning, yet are making definitive claims? That's not right.

I also don't see how you can reconcile mentioning "circulated air" on an airplane as a reason to avoid planes right now even though it is filtered to a rating beyond an N95 mask.

Medical providers are dying at much higher rates than the general population due to their increased exposure to this.  Wanting to arm them with equipment they need is not a sense of entitlement. 
Of course not. But that isn't what is happening here. This isn't just an issue of wanting to give them equipment. This is an issue of trying to keep other people from having equipment and telling lies to achieve that goal based on the belief that it is ok to do so because of need. 

I could respect a doctor that said "Hey if anybody can spare any PPE they can get their hands on we would appreciate it. We are exposed a greater rate and are higher risk of getting the virus and we would really like to have first dibs at all of it" That would be honesty. It wouldn't tell people they dont need it or that it is useless. There is still a utility calculation to be made on what number should be donated vs kept, but at least it is an honest discussion. 

To that line, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, we are not even using N95 masks for most encounters.  If it was truly spread as simply as breathing/coughing/sneezing and being in the vicinity, we would ALL be sick and that simply isn't the case.
This is again faulty logic. You don't know exactly how it is spread. If you did, you could explain exactly how 104 out of 175 employees at the biogen conference got it. And why Biogen is examining the ventilation system at the long wharf hotel. You could also then explain exactly how 45 out of 60 singers got it at choir practice.

It also assumes that all people would always receive the same viral load and would get sick at the same rate. How can any medical professional ever make such a claim? Its absurd.

Look we get it. You want the good masks. I would too in your position. Just say that.   

 
I think it is very clear we should all be wearing masks in public.  Problem is there aren't enough masks.  The policy of this country has been no masks not because it doesn't protect people but because we don't have any.  
In the Czech Republic people have been using masks made at home.

 
We are over 10%, aren't we?

“We are at the mercy of the virus,” said William Rodgers, former chief economist at the US Department of Labor. Rodgers calculates US unemployment, just 3.5% in February, has already reached 17% in just two weeks and that rates for African Americans have soared to 19% from 5.8%.
The numbers don't add up for me.  10m / 150m = 6.5%.  Add on 3.5% and we are at 10%, not 17%.  Not sure what I'm missing.

Can dogs/cats transfer it to humans?  Like if I let the cat out in the neighborhood & pet it, or let the dogs lick my face?  
Nothing has been proven yet.

 
This discussion is unbelievably enlightening. It's no longer a wonder why Americans are dragging their feet when it comes to masks.

Wrap a t-shirt around your face for crying out loud. That's how simple this can be yet everyone wants to argue the numbers and their effectiveness. In the countries around the world that embraced masks, even the most rudimentary kind, the spread has been controlled and the death totals low.

 
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just chatted with an older Italian neighbor on the sidewalk 

he said this is all a hoax, more people die from the flu...

”Sorry I gotta catch the next train, stay safe”

:rolleyes:

 
Check the date on that article -- Czech Republic is doing very well and will probably keep doing well, but they have more cases and deaths currently than that article says.
Thanks for the clarification. It's obviously working.
Yes.

And allow me to fill in the blank -- no, everyone in the U.S. putting on masks to go out doesn't get anything back to normal anytime soon. No shortcuts, no easy outs.

 
I did a search for anti-dust masks on Amazon, they've got plenty.  Saw a link for it earlier in the thread, it was for:

Mouth Mask, Aniwon 3 Pack Anti Dust Pollution Mask with 6 Pcs Activated Carbon Filter Insert Fashion Cotton Face Mask PM2.5 Dust Mask for Men Women

It's only like 13 bucks for a pack of 3 and they're washable/reusable with replaceable carbon filter inserts.
Someone posted these recently ... if you gotta wear an inexpensive mask, those look pretty sharp IMHO.

 
I did a search for anti-dust masks on Amazon, they've got plenty.  Saw a link for it earlier in the thread, it was for:

Mouth Mask, Aniwon 3 Pack Anti Dust Pollution Mask with 6 Pcs Activated Carbon Filter Insert Fashion Cotton Face Mask PM2.5 Dust Mask for Men Women

It's only like 13 bucks for a pack of 3 and they're washable/reusable with replaceable carbon filter inserts.
I appreciate your and Mr Anonymous' help.  Unfortunately, everything is expected to arrive in May.  Guess I'm going with a paper towel, a youtube homemake video, a stapler and some string.

 
Can dogs/cats transfer it to humans?  Like if I let the cat out in the neighborhood & pet it, or let the dogs lick my face?  
I don't know the science on it, but we're not letting random kids pet our dog out on walks.  I can see their germs transferring to me when I pet my dog after the walk.  Not worth the risk to me. 

 
This is again faulty logic. You don't know exactly how it is spread. If you did, you could explain exactly how 104 out of 175 employees at the Biogen conference got it. And why Biogen is examining the ventilation system at the long wharf hotel. You could also then explain exactly how 45 out of 60 singers got it at choir practice.
What about the Biogen conference infections or the "choir practice" transmissions is mysterious? Or to put it another way ... what was it about them that conclusively rules out fomite spread?

 
I appreciate your and Mr Anonymous' help.  Unfortunately, everything is expected to arrive in May.  Guess I'm going with a paper towel, a youtube homemake video, a stapler and some string.
Amazon is building in delays in their projected delivery dates. You could very well get yours earlier. Also, at least you're ahead of the curve and have yours ordered. When the U.S. finally makes them mandatory in public that's when the real rush will come.

And props for going the homemade route. That's something I see catching on more and more each day.

 
I did a search for anti-dust masks on Amazon, they've got plenty.  Saw a link for it earlier in the thread, it was for:

Mouth Mask, Aniwon 3 Pack Anti Dust Pollution Mask with 6 Pcs Activated Carbon Filter Insert Fashion Cotton Face Mask PM2.5 Dust Mask for Men Women

It's only like 13 bucks for a pack of 3 and they're washable/reusable with replaceable carbon filter inserts.
Someone posted these recently ... if you gotta wear an inexpensive mask, those look pretty sharp IMHO.
Arrives June 12 - July 8

 
Amazon is building in delays in their projected delivery dates. You could very well get yours earlier. Also, at least you're ahead of the curve and have yours ordered. When the U.S. finally makes them mandatory in public that's when the real rush will come.

And props for going the homemade route. That's something I see catching on more and more each day.
I plan on doing this soon

I have a couple N95s & a stack of surgical masks

The latter came from a couple in a van who pulled up to my stoop & offered them to me - turned out he was a dentist, just came from dropping off cases of PPE at the nearest ER

they had a couple odd boxes so they drove around looking for people with silver hair

 
Look we get it. You want the good masks. I would too in your position. Just say that.  
Your post is certainly interesting given how you seem absolutely positive you have the facts about certain things while telling others (with expertise in the area, mind you) that they can't be certain about what they claim.

Thanks for your viewpoint. I'll stick with my post and readers can decide how they want to proceed.

As to the bolded, I've already given a perspective on that but I'll repeat it here.

I have a wife and kids at home. I have no interest in contracting this virus (if I haven't already) and bringing it home to them. I have walked into a patient's room with possible/suspected COVID. I have plenty of N95s available to me currently so lack of supply isn't an issue for me. 

Given the above, in close contact with someone that is actively coughing, with fever, and me talking to them and touching them, I wear a simple surgical mask along with eye protection, gown and gloves. I do not wear an N95 mask for that interaction. 

So no, I won't say that. Because that's not the reason for my post or my recommendations. At all.

 
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Arrives June 12 - July 8
But if you order now, you can get ahead of the rush!!!

Screw it.  I'll make one from a t-shirt if it becomes mandatory, in order to be in compliance.

I'm pretty sure that if I'm catching the Wuhan, its from the hand-to-face route, vice the walking through an exhalation cloud at the supermarket (which we hit once every 2 weeks).

 
Arrives June 12 - July 8
Keep looking. There are April delivery dates to be found...

https://www.amazon.com/Non-Woven-Fabric-Disposable-Masks-30PACK/dp/B085Y47V4R/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-6

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Elastic-Ear-Loop-3-Breathable/dp/B085X1QN3C/ref=sr_1_42?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-42

https://www.amazon.com/Dukal-900610-Reflections-Earloop-Pleated/dp/B07SYJBBS4/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-4

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Personal-Protection-Dust-Proof-Spittle/dp/B086727YCX/ref=sr_1_9?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-9

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Earloop-3-Layer-Safety-50-pcs/dp/B085DYK4L3/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Breathable-Comfortable-Sanitary-Surgical/dp/B08598DXJ4/ref=sr_1_20?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-20

https://www.amazon.com/TTbuy-EY-001-Masks-3-2-Blue/dp/B0846NVBQG/ref=sr_1_21?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-21

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Offices-Households-Sensitive-Crowded/dp/B085TF7JPK/ref=sr_1_38?crid=3TE0C07BUBV0&dchild=1&keywords=face+mask+flu&qid=1585841570&sprefix=face+mask+flu%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-38

 
Your post is certainly interesting given how you seem absolutely positive you have the facts about certain things while telling others (with expertise in the area, mind you) that they can't be certain about what they claim.

Thanks for your viewpoint. I'll stick with my post and readers can decide how they want to proceed.

As to the bolded, I've already given a perspective on that but I'll repeat it here.

I have a wife and kids at home. I have no interest in contacting this virus (if I haven't already) and bringing it home to them. I have walked into a patient's room with possible/suspected COVID. I have plenty of N95s available to me currently so lack of supply isn't an issue for me. 

Given the above, in close contact with someone that is actively coughing, with fever, and me talking to them and touching them, I wear a simple surgical mask along with eye protection, gown and gloves. I do not wear an N95 mask for that interaction. 

So no, I won't say that. Because that's not the reason for my post or my recommendations. At all.
You are a braver man than I.  Given reports out of NYC and some of things I am seeing I would think you are in the minority to be doing this.  

 
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You are a braver man than I.  Given reports out of NYC and somethings I am seeing I would think you are in the minority to be doing this.  
I'm not in the minority. It's what we are ALL doing where I am. And even in NY. If you haven't seen the link of the critical care Dr. outlining this, I can link it again.

If it wasn't safe and reasonable, we would all be sick by now and we are not. That's why I'm comfortable recommending what I am here.

 
This is again faulty logic. You don't know exactly how it is spread. If you did, you could explain exactly how 104 out of 175 employees at the biogen conference got it. And why Biogen is examining the ventilation system at the long wharf hotel. You could also then explain exactly how 45 out of 60 singers got it at choir practice.
You just described two events in which people were in close, prolonged contact with a large number of other people in the same room.

And you're referencing ventilation systems? :tinfoilhat:

 
@Joe Bryant @Terminalxylem 

Another PR announcing results from the FDA approved emergency treatment of 10 severely ill patients. 8/10 have now demonstrated significant improvement three days after being injected with Cytodyn's drug, leronlimab.  The FDA approved a phase 2 trial for 75 mild-moderate patients that's starting immediately.  Cytodyn also filed for a phase 2b/3 trial for 342 severe patients that the FDA is reviewing.  

"The current data suggests a trend toward the restoration of immune function and mitigation of the cytokine storm."

 
You are a braver man than I.  Given reports out of NYC and some of things I am seeing I would think you are in the minority to be doing this.  
To clarify a little more, the reason more healthcare workers get this is due to the near constant exposure combined with difficulty putting on and taking off of PPE and/or lack of proper PPE in some places.  If you don't put it in properly or take it off properly, you can get viral particles on you and then missing a spot on your hand or touching your face and then you get it. It's inevitable with so many people with constant exposure day after day that some people are still going to get it because it's never done 100% correctly 100% of the time.  Especially in a room where a high risk procedure took place like intubating a patient that now has a large concentration of the virus present in the air.

The doctors, for example, that are getting this more than others are ENT doctors, eye doctors, anesthesiologists, and critical care doctors that are performing high risk procedures that aersolize the virus (when an N95 IS needed). It's not nearly as much for those that are seeing higher volume of COVID positive patients but not having high risk contact. Even in NYC.

 
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Pitt Researchers Unveil Potential COVID-19 Vaccine

According to Pitt researchers, it is “delivered through a fingertip-sized patch of microscopic needles.”

They say, it “produces antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2 at quantities thought to be sufficient for neutralizing the virus.”


A study about the potential vaccine appears in the Lancet’s EBioMedicine, and is the first peer-reviewed paper describing a candidate vaccine for COVID-19.


The next step, doctors say, is clinical trials, which are expected to begin quickly due to the nature of the pandemic. They say it would not need to be frozen or refrigerated, which is beneficial for shipping it around the world.


What's missing from the story is how long before it can be put into mass circulation if it holds up through trials. Hopefully these vaccines being developed can be put to use much sooner than originally estimated.

 
This discussion is unbelievably enlightening. It's no longer a wonder why Americans are dragging their feet when it comes to masks.

Wrap a t-shirt around your face for crying out loud. That's how simple this can be yet everyone wants to argue the numbers and their effectiveness. In the countries around the world that embraced masks, even the most rudimentary kind, the spread has been controlled and the death totals low.
I also suspect a big issue is that it's a cultural thing that is normal in Asia, but not here yet. Despite the seriousness of what is going on, I suspect many people feel "weird" wearing them since hardly anyone else does. And the people who do wear them, perhaps are perceived as being "sick". I'm in a suburb of Chicago. A lot of open space and I saw a guy on a walk yesterday with ski goggles and full on mask with no one within of 30 yards of him. Maybe he was sick or has underlying issues, but even for a guy like me who is paranoid about my family catching this and hasn't left my house except to walk around for close to 3 weeks, it was a little jarring to see that. A mandate would change that perception obviously.

As a side note, there seems like a huge opportunity for athletic makers like Nike, UA, etc. as well as fashion designers to get aboard the personal protection train. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen a high profile company push into that space yet that I know of.

 
I'm not in the minority. It's what we are ALL doing where I am. And even in NY. If you haven't seen the link of the critical care Dr. outlining this, I can link it again.

If it wasn't safe and reasonable, we would all be sick by now and we are not. That's why I'm comfortable recommending what I am here.
I have seen that video and he says we should save n95 masks for medical workers.  I have also spoken to my good friend who is an infectious disease doctor in northern NJ and she said that all HCW  need to be wearing n95 masks but they don't have enough so they are reusing them or going to back up options.  She doesn't believe surgical masks are enough on their own in a health care setting.  

Also, not sure if you have seen an ER doctors instagram page and what he and others are wearing in NYC.  Let me tell you it is not just surgical masks.  Link below to it and it is a most follow.  

https://www.instagram.com/monsoondiaries/?hl=en

 
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Louisiana governor announced this morning to expect an alarming jump in cases in today's noon update, but to not panic, because they think the private labs have finally been able to clear the backlog of tests awaiting processing:

Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards says people should expect what he calls "jarring" new numbers of coronavirus cases reported in the state this afternoon.

"That will be the largest that we've reported to date," the governor told WWL's Newell Normand. " and I wanted to sort of try to give some context to that."

Edwards said they expect to get results from a backlog of tests that private labs have finally been able to clear. 

"They just got overwhelmed, and they just didn't have the capacity to run the tests," Edwards explained.

The governor says people should not throw their hands up and despair based on these new numbers, and he reminded folks that they can still make an impact on the spread of COVID-19 in the coming weeks.

 
To clarify a little more, the reason more healthcare workers get this is due to the near constant exposure combined with difficulty putting on and taking off of PPE and/or lack of proper PPE in some places.  If you don't put it in properly or take it off properly, you can get viral particles on you and then missing a spot on your hand or touching your face and then you get it. It's inevitable with so many people with constant exposure day after day that some people are still going to get it because it's never done 100% correctly 100% of the time.

The doctors, for example, that are getting this more than others are ENT doctors, eye doctors, anesthesiologists, and critical care doctors that are performing high risk procedures that aersolize the virus (when an N95 IS needed). It's not nearly as much for those that are seeing higher volume of COVID positive patients but not having high risk contact. Even in NYC.
I am not sure where you are but this is not an accurate statement for NYC and neighboring areas.  See my prior post.  

 
Which leads me to a question. Of the other 82.6% that were negative, what the heck did they have? I know some of them could just be precautionary testing for healthcare workers, etc. but that still seems like a high number. I guess we won't ever get the full answer on those numbers, and they may not even be collecting that type of data, may or may not have tested for other illnesses before/after Covid-19, etc., but just curious. @Doug B any thoughts on that?
I hadn't meant to blow you off yesterday, GB. I have no idea what other things people would tend to have other than the more familiar infections like flu, older coronaviruses, strep, RSV, etc. -- COVID symptoms without COVID infection is still very much possible. Terminalxylem did a good job covering the bases with you, it looked like.

 
Are you pissed at the limit or the employee?  The employee didn't set the limit, the store did. They probably did for a reason even though you can't see it.  The employee probably had to tell 20 people already that they can't buy more than the limit for certain items. Half of those people probably #####ed and moaned so maybe cut the employee some slack for having to deal with that all day. Maybe she was snarky but put yourself in her shoes.  It's tough on all of them. Try to remember that.

No sign up is a problem, I'll admit, but maybe it fell down or was moved or who knows.  Or maybe the girl was wrong and there was no limit.  If you felt that you could have found the manager and asked I suppose.

I know a couple young adults who work in grocery stores and they are stressed to the max.  I just think we should all be aware that it's a tough gig and maybe cut them a little slack.

my :2cents:  
Everyone has a bad day once in a while.  The cashier was out of line, but considering the circumstances I would have cut her some slack.  My youngest works in the grocery section of a local Walmart.  He's been going to work through this and it has taken a couple pep talks from me to keep his spirit up.  People are jerks.  They had a lady following them around with her cell phone recording them yelling and cussing at them "WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY FOOD HERE???!!" shortly after the stay at home order was issued here.  They have been working non-stock at stocking and cleaning these places.  I really do appreciate the grocery  workers more now than I ever did before.  They ARE truly essential jobs and it is normally a pretty thankless one.

 
I am not sure where you are but this is not an accurate statement for NYC and neighboring areas.  See my prior post.  
You may have skipped my post with the link.  Dr. Price is in NYC.  He specifically states he is not wearing N95 except for high risk procedures despite being around it all day.

Now, their policy may have changed and I don't know what they are specifically doing there or how it's affected by their supplies of PPE, but based on my link above and what he said, it's clear they at least had the same approach recently as we do here.

 
I also suspect a big issue is that it's a cultural thing that is normal in Asia, but not here yet. Despite the seriousness of what is going on, I suspect many people feel "weird" wearing them since hardly anyone else does. And the people who do wear them, perhaps are perceived as being "sick". I'm in a suburb of Chicago. A lot of open space and I saw a guy on a walk yesterday with ski goggles and full on mask with no one within of 30 yards of him. Maybe he was sick or has underlying issues, but even for a guy like me who is paranoid about my family catching this and hasn't left my house except to walk around for close to 3 weeks, it was a little jarring to see that. A mandate would change that perception obviously.

As a side note, there seems like a huge opportunity for athletic makers like Nike, UA, etc. as well as fashion designers to get aboard the personal protection train. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen a high profile company push into that space yet that I know of.
You nailed it. A mandate changes this whole dynamic overnight.

In the Solve the Coronavirus thread, back on March 24th, I had it as the "unknown" aspect of the effort to contain this thing. I was hopeful that the U.S. was stockpiling masks for public distribution or would instruct people how to make them at home. In another thread somewhere on this forum I said if this were the WWII era, the gov't would give instructions over the radio on how to make them at home. That's basically what the Czech Republic did. It's far overdue but it's not too late. There's no day like the present.

 
Unless you're a health care provider, a n95 mask is not only unnecessary, it takes them away from the HCPs who need them most. Basic disposables or washable reusables are all you need... 

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=face+mask+flu&crid=1F7ZD2AT2G4E3&sprefix=face+mask+%2Caps%2C240&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_6_10

In the Czech Republic they were teaching people how to make them at home.
Fauci and company are rethinking the mask item.  I'd like to see a solid link that says we're just as safe at the grocery store with a rag over your mouth/nose than an N95.  

No confidence that we're getting accurate information here.

 
Fauci and company are rethinking the mask item.  I'd like to see a solid link that says we're just as safe at the grocery store with a rag over your mouth/nose than an N95.  

No confidence that we're getting accurate information here.
It's not that a homemade mask, basic surgical mask, or even a scarf is as protective as an n95 mask, it's that covering your face slows the spread by a current estimate of 80%. Slowing the spread is what keeps hospitals from being overwhelmed. It's the difference between the same individual dying in an overwhelmed system versus recovering in system that can provide the proper care.

Our best evidence of what a difference even the most basic masks can do is in the countries who embraced masks and their stunningly better numbers.

 
It's not that a homemade mask, basic surgical mask, or even a scarf is as protective as an n95 mask, it's that covering your face slows the spread by a current estimate of 80%. Slowing the spread is what keeps hospitals from being overwhelmed. It's the difference between the same individual dying in an overwhelmed system versus recovering in system that can provide the proper care.

Our best evidence of what a difference even the most basic masks can do is in the countries who embraced masks and their stunningly better numbers.
Oh, I agree with that.  I have no issues with the thought construct that wearing any mask is much, much better than none. 

I do think that wearing an N95 to the grocery, for example, is a safer thing than wearing a cloth mask.  The "official" guidelines right now aren't saying that.  I'd like to see some concrete evidence that the cloth is just as good as an N95.

(That said I have seen no one around here wearing a mask).

 
You may have skipped my post with the link.  Dr. Price is in NYC.  He specifically states he is not wearing N95 except for high risk procedures despite being around it all day.

Now, their policy may have changed and I don't know what they are specifically doing there or how it's affected by their supplies of PPE, but based on my link above and what he said, it's clear they at least had the same approach recently as we do here.
Look, I am not going to argue you with you anymore and appreciate your insight in this thread and that you are on the front lines of this.  I am just passing along the info I have from conversations with a personal friend who is on the front lines at an overwhelmed hospital in NJ that surgical masks are not sufficient protection in a healthcare setting but they don't have enough n95 masks to take proper precautions .  As I said earlier, she is an infectious disease doctor.  

Also, check out that instagram page if you want to see pictures of what people are wearing in NYC.  

You obviously are a smart guy and can make decisions for yourself but thought it was worth passing along this info that I have.  You are free to ignore as you want but if I were in your situation and you have n95 masks available I would use them.  

 
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