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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (18 Viewers)
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Excluding that, cases running at the same rate as Ca and deaths a much lower rate. I guess Ca needs to do a stricter lock down like SD needs to
Super spreading has occurred in nursing homes, ALFs, cruise ships, military ships, meet packing sites and large gatherings at funeral homes, churches, and big events such as the Winter Party Festival in Miami Beach (and it's related events). Is the NYC cluster related to density, tourism, or what?
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I posted some about my personal experiences working with WHO in Afghanistan and related it to some of things I noticed early on in this outbreak and why I didn't really rely on their numbers. I also related some observations from my wife who is a nurse. I think this is the best (most valuable) thread on the forum and hate to see it cluttered with political garbage. That being said, I'm not the board cop so I'll just drop what should be a non controversial request. Cheers.
Pipes
Footballguy
Due to overcrowding, my 5,000 person high school had a morning and afternoon shift in the 1970s. Most of the serious academic classes were taught in the morning or early afternoon, so those teachers left by 2 or 3. It was vice versa for the afternoon teachers. For younger children, for 2 shifts to work, the before and after school programs would need more funding and space.
NotSmart
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yes, it is my opinion that economic studies about a 1918 flu pandemic arent applicable 100 years later for a different pandemic in a non post world war era.JAA said:
Pretty controversial, I know.
Doug B
Footballguy
Around here ... we could also press into service the bajillions of square feet of isolated, unused retail space and make them into schools. Might not be an option everywhere, but we here have many empty big-box stores, former supermarkets, etc.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Not a horrible plan. But most homes now have both parents working. Going to have to have somewhere for the kids to be when they’re not in class
shader
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Went to super Walmart this morning. Not my usual store for groceries but I needed some other items too so thought I’d hit one store and be done
Most workers were masked up. I’d say about 80% of shoppers wore masks
Place was freaking packed. If I didn’t know better I’d say there’s a big snowstorm coming wtf
I had way more than I wanted to self check so headed to the regular registers.
No markings on floor for distancing. No signs..
People were using those plastic sticks that separate each customers groceries and piling up the conveyors and standing inside 6’ for sure.
I stood there for about 5 mins figuring I’d distance from everyone anyway when the checkout line to my left looked like it was opening. The lady was wiping everything down, I made eye contact, she nodded and I steered my cart right in her lane in a flash lol. Got everything taken care of and got the hell out of there
Most workers were masked up. I’d say about 80% of shoppers wore masks
Place was freaking packed. If I didn’t know better I’d say there’s a big snowstorm coming wtf
I had way more than I wanted to self check so headed to the regular registers.
No markings on floor for distancing. No signs..
People were using those plastic sticks that separate each customers groceries and piling up the conveyors and standing inside 6’ for sure.
I stood there for about 5 mins figuring I’d distance from everyone anyway when the checkout line to my left looked like it was opening. The lady was wiping everything down, I made eye contact, she nodded and I steered my cart right in her lane in a flash lol. Got everything taken care of and got the hell out of there
msommer
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Just want to chime in, living on Long Island you cannot take this serious enough, my sister and brother in law have caught this, they don't even know where they got it at this point as they have been mostly housebound the past 3 weeks, they are doing better and will be coming out of quarantine status next week hopefully... but we also have close friends who have caught this around Mid-Late March and their Dad has been in the ICU on a vent for 14 days, both of our friends are in recovery and the they are hopeful the Dad will make a full recovery.
Just wanted to reiterate first and foremost, you cannot be too cautious with this, BostonFred had a maximum shopping safety routine a few pages bac(or on the grocery thread) and IMHO he's spot on and that should be a pinned protocol for everyone. Take all protocols serious and Mask up when you go out, even a makeshift bandana/handkerchief is better than nothing. If collectively as a society everyone masks up, the spread can be curbed a bit and we can all begin to get out and about a bit more once some of these restrictions are eased. The least we can do for one another is to mask up when we go out until we find a sufficient vaccination which is going to take awhile. The governor here in NY has finally issued a mandatory mask for NY starting tomorrow in public places etc.., that should continue to help.
This is a forward thinking smart group of folks who can help spread some good protocol advice and be an advocate for maximum safety, safe wishes to everyone here, this has been an excellent thread so sending good vibes out to the FBG community.
Just wanted to reiterate first and foremost, you cannot be too cautious with this, BostonFred had a maximum shopping safety routine a few pages bac(or on the grocery thread) and IMHO he's spot on and that should be a pinned protocol for everyone. Take all protocols serious and Mask up when you go out, even a makeshift bandana/handkerchief is better than nothing. If collectively as a society everyone masks up, the spread can be curbed a bit and we can all begin to get out and about a bit more once some of these restrictions are eased. The least we can do for one another is to mask up when we go out until we find a sufficient vaccination which is going to take awhile. The governor here in NY has finally issued a mandatory mask for NY starting tomorrow in public places etc.., that should continue to help.
This is a forward thinking smart group of folks who can help spread some good protocol advice and be an advocate for maximum safety, safe wishes to everyone here, this has been an excellent thread so sending good vibes out to the FBG community.
The county I live in...
New London, Connecticut
Population - approx 265,000
Positives - 236
Hospitalizations - 21
Deaths - 7
Fairfield County, Connecticut (worst hit county in Connecticut)
Population - approx 943,000
Positives - 6,480
Hospitalizations - 784
Deaths - 365
These 2 counties are roughly the same size, but Fairfield sits on the NY border. The numbers above speak volumes to population density and proximity to metropolitan areas.
New London, Connecticut
Population - approx 265,000
Positives - 236
Hospitalizations - 21
Deaths - 7
Fairfield County, Connecticut (worst hit county in Connecticut)
Population - approx 943,000
Positives - 6,480
Hospitalizations - 784
Deaths - 365
These 2 counties are roughly the same size, but Fairfield sits on the NY border. The numbers above speak volumes to population density and proximity to metropolitan areas.
Something like this happened at my work, where a janitor company that services multiple locations had someone who went to a location where someone tested positive. The janitor did not test positive, just that they visited another company where someone did. Everyone who went into our site for a 2 week span was not allowed back into our facility and it was deep cleaned. I imagine this will be happening all over the place, where people will be constantly starting and stopping work because someones spouse was in contact with someone who tested positive or some other third degree contact.JShare87 said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Wisconsin screwed at home order extended until may 26th.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
JShare87
Footballguy
That’s what I was realizing when I started thinking deeper about the schools reopening. It’s going to be impossible.
the moops
Footballguy
Heard that Menards had TP so went and grabbed some other things for basement project I am working on.
Still amazed at the lack of masks here in the twin cities. I would say maybe half the workers had them, although a decent percent just had them around their neck. And I would guess less than 25% of customers had masks.
Still amazed at the lack of masks here in the twin cities. I would say maybe half the workers had them, although a decent percent just had them around their neck. And I would guess less than 25% of customers had masks.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Was expecting this. Thought maybe May 15th like a couple of other states but whatever. I'd rather be strict now and hopefully more stuff can open up by the 4th of July. Won't be holding my breath though.
JAA
Footballguy
Its super disappointing to read that stimulus money is going to people making more than 1mi per year.
JAA
Footballguy
JShare87
Footballguy
As far as having split school days or lower students/staff, I don’t think that is possible. Like another poster said, the way schools are set up now is to maximize students in a class. All states are different but most classes are already bursting at the seams with nowhere else for them to go. Unless thousands of new schools were built in every state, I don’t see how you socially distance in a school setting.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Good news for folks with Asthma as I know a few follow this thread - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-asthma-risk.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
JAA
Footballguy
Cool - thank you. I read your post in a manner that you were speaking in facts. I would encourage you to use terms like "I believe", "My opinion", or "Im speculating".
rick6668
Footballguy
I've done order online and pickup. I have to tell you this is an amazing service. I have picked up twice now. IF they were out of the item I selected, they will replace with a similar item at the same cost. They come out to your car, confirm your name, you pop the trunk and they load it up. No contact with anyone. I booked another slot for Next Tuesday. I can keep adding items throughout the week up until 12-18 hours before pickup. They text me when my order is being picked and then again when it is ready and I click the button to tell them I'm on my way.
No going in the store, no trying to navigate down isles with people, no crowded checkout.
Best part, there is no charge for this service.
JAA
Footballguy
Out of curiosity - do you SIL and BIL in Long Island live in a apt or like building? Do they share ventilation systems with other tenants?Just want to chime in, living on Long Island you cannot take this serious enough, my sister and brother in law have caught this, they don't even know where they got it at this point as they have been mostly housebound the past 3 weeks, they are doing better and will be coming out of quarantine status next week hopefully... but we also have close friends who have caught this around Mid-Late March and their Dad has been in the ICU on a vent for 14 days, both of our friends are in recovery and the they are hopeful the Dad will make a full recovery.
Just wanted to reiterate first and foremost, you cannot be too cautious with this, BostonFred had a maximum shopping safety routine a few pages bac(or on the grocery thread) and IMHO he's spot on and that should be a pinned protocol for everyone. Take all protocols serious and Mask up when you go out, even a makeshift bandana/handkerchief is better than nothing. If collectively as a society everyone masks up, the spread can be curbed a bit and we can all begin to get out and about a bit more once some of these restrictions are eased. The least we can do for one another is to mask up when we go out until we find a sufficient vaccination which is going to take awhile. The governor here in NY has finally issued a mandatory mask for NY starting tomorrow in public places etc.., that should continue to help.
This is a forward thinking smart group of folks who can help spread some good protocol advice and be an advocate for maximum safety, safe wishes to everyone here, this has been an excellent thread so sending good vibes out to the FBG community.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Forgot to add, I was there mid morning. TP selection was good, plenty to go around.
1 pack limit
JAA
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Whats the point of being this strict now? We are flat for ICU and hospitalizations. At least open up the outdoor activities, not just golf.
I get keeping devils lake closed, since those trails are too dangerous to even attempt to distance. But lapham peak? Kettle morraine? Those trails are wider than the paths in my town everybody is walking on. Dont make them free like before so that people come and destroy them.
Or give me back my freakin money for my annual pass I bought.
JAA
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I downloaded the app weeks ago, it only ever showed me 3 days in advance which is fine with me, but was always booked solid
I noticed this wk it now goes 7 days out and the 7th day is the only one with any openings. That’s a long wait....I may try it though
The Commish
Footballguy
Wow....I had assumed that all the Walmarts were doing what ours were doing. Both our full on store and neighborhood market had strict entry/exits where they were keeping track of number of people coming/going and all the lines themselves were market 6 feet. The isles were "one way" and they provided these paper masks for those that wanted them, though I'm not sure how much good they'd really do. Outside they were spraying down ALL the carts in the cart lines and handing out wipes to wipe them down when you picked one up. They even had Q-Ti[s at check out you could take and use for payments if you wanted. That's where I got the idea for Q-tips at checkout. I now have some in my car for runs to the store. I just wish they'd support Google Pay.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Zed - hot diggity was making a dirty joke about the bolded/underlined. I mean, what else is there to do in WI besides that and drink?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
No they have a single family house. Two very responsible grown daughters living out of the house, who have followed protocols pretty closely did visit once or twice, and they did get a few deliveries of things. I am not 100% sure of how militant they were with wiping everything down, but this thing is so tricky to track you have to examine everything now. We just started taking our shoes off at the door even from walking around the neighborhood now, can't be too extreme on almost anything at this point....
jamny
Footballguy
T J
Footballguy
Common sense says she’s selfish and entitled? No. That was someone passing judgement.
Quint
Footballguy
Implementing a National Return to Work Plan (US Chamber of Commerce)
(it's a fairly long read, hence the spoiler tags. good points to think about with regard to liability issues for both employees and guests, how testing may relate to HIPAA and ADA, cost-bearing measures for testing and monitoring, transportation, child care, and a bunch more.)
(it's a fairly long read, hence the spoiler tags. good points to think about with regard to liability issues for both employees and guests, how testing may relate to HIPAA and ADA, cost-bearing measures for testing and monitoring, transportation, child care, and a bunch more.)
Implementing a National Return to Work Plan
To: Members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
From: Suzanne Clark, President, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Date: April 13, 2020
What will a return to work look like? That is the question weighing heavily on the minds of government leaders and public health officials, employers and their employees, and American families striving for the delicate balance of staying safe and making ends meet.
It is a question that begs more questions. But this much is increasingly certain: returning to work will be gradual, phased-in, and will vary by factors such as location, sector, business type or size, and the health status of workers. It also will require continued social distancing, expanded use of personal protective equipment, and other counter-measures.
Whenever the return to work begins, the planning for it must begin now. The American business community must begin preparing now for new processes, requirements, or restrictions for which there is no playbook or precedent. And we must not allow a lack of resources, regulations that are not fit-for-purpose, and the fear of litigation to sideline efforts to return to work and life—safely, successfully, and sustainably.
To help business and government anticipate the challenges we may face, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has begun to explore and catalogue some of the major implications of returning to work in this environment—ranging from workplace safety and employee rights to liability concerns and continued revenue disruptions.
Some of our initial thoughts are detailed below across three different sections:
Essential Services and Resources
Resolution of Regulatory and Legal Liability Issues
Support for Businesses and Individuals
This document is intended to spur discussion. We hope you will not only read it, but also react to it and add to it. We don’t have all the answers today – or even all the questions.
It is worth pausing to thank all of those who never stopped working, who risk their personal health to keep everyone else safer. As we proceed, we should think about how we honor them and recognize their efforts.
Working together, we know we can be better prepared for the successful reopening of our economy and an eventual return to normal ways of working and living.
Issues to Resolve for a Successful Return to Work
Essential Services and Resources
Bringing employees back to work and reopening commerce will require that certain essential services and resources are in place. These include:
General Health Screening
The CDC has recommended that critical infrastructure employers screen certain exposed employees for temperature, ideally before entering the facility. If this recommendation is expanded to cover all employees and potentially customers, employers will have to acquire temperature checking equipment and develop a process to screen individuals. Early and federally consistent guidance as to what will be expected is critical because it will take time to acquire equipment and establish protocols.
COVID-19 Testing
To the extent that return to work is based on the testing of employees either for the COVID-19 virus or antibodies to COVID-19, there will have to be sufficient testing capacity, as well as clear resolution on who is responsible for administering the tests, paying for the tests, and checking test results. Most employers are not well-positioned to administer these medical tests, so there must be widely accessible third-party providers. There also will need to be standardization as to when employees need to be tested, the frequency of tests (especially important if testing for infection, rather than antibodies), and the documentation employees will provide to employers. Frequent testing could be especially costly, and it should be determined who will bear those costs.
Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)
If public health professionals recommend widespread use of PPE, such as masks, it will require clarity as to what is needed and who is responsible for providing such equipment, especially if shortages persist. For example, with respect to certain employees in critical infrastructure, the CDC has said: “Employers can issue facemasks or can approve employees’ supplied cloth face coverings in the event of shortages.” However, the purpose of these masks should be made clear as many are not rated for protecting the wearer and employers asking employees to wear them should not be held liable if an employee contracts COVID-19 while wearing such a mask.
Transportation
Approximately eight million Americans rely on public transportation to get to and from work each day. Public transportation is most efficient when it maximizes density, which needs to be avoided to preserve social distancing. While staggered worktimes can help spread out the rush hour, transit systems likely will need to operate at what would normally be excess capacity in order to support public health. Transit systems will likely require some form of financial assistance to support a safe return to work.
Childcare
Throughout the United States, many childcare providers that are still operating are primarily only caring for the children of essential workers. They also have implemented various public health recommendations to increase social distancing, such as lowering teacher-child ratios. In order to allow other parents to return to work, childcare providers will need to presumably operate under sub-optimal financial conditions: below previous capacity levels (as not all employees will return to work at once) and with increased costs (to maintain social distancing and accommodate staggered work times). Childcare providers will likely require some form of temporary financial assistance in recognition that they will need to operate at a loss in order to allow parents to return to work.
Resolution of Regulatory and Legal Liability Issues
A reopening plan that is medically based and relies on social distancing and other best practices for public health may raise significant regulatory and legal liability risks. These are in addition to numerous lawsuits already filed as a result of COVID-19 and litigation risk that will become exacerbated during a reopening. Issues include:
Health Privacy
Federal and some state laws are designed to maximize the health privacy of individuals. However, this objective could conflict with potential reopening requirements for employers to verify an employee’s COVID-19 status and/or their vulnerability due to underlying health conditions. Employer efforts to protect other employees and conduct contact tracing in the workplace after an individual has tested positive could be slowed by obligations to protect the infected individual’s health privacy. In addition, confidentiality requirements could prevent businesses from narrowly focusing their contact tracing so as to balance workforce safety while minimizing business interruption. During the COVID-19 national emergency and recovery period, employers will need a broad safe-harbor to make necessary inquiries regarding health status and to make certain limited disclosures to prevent the spread of the disease.
Discrimination Claims
Employers who conduct a medically-based or risk-based reopening (using factors such as age or underlying health conditions) may face liability under existing anti-discrimination rules, including the Age Discrimination in Employment Act and the anti-discrimination provisions of the Americans with Disabilities Act. In addition, employers could face claims for adverse employment actions by employees who are delayed in returning to work or who feel they are not provided other reasonable employment accommodations. At the same time, employers can likewise face liability if they return at-risk employees to work too soon. There is a need for clear guidance about what practices are acceptable in conducting a medically-based or risk-based reopening and provide a safe harbor for actions taken by employers consistent with those guidelines.
Safe Workplace Requirements
Generally, when maintaining a safe workplace requires the use of personal protective equipment (PPE) such as masks, respirators, and physical barriers, OSHA requires employers to be responsible for ensuring the availability of such equipment and training employees on the use of the equipment. This is simply not possible if PPE becomes recommended in all workplaces. The federal government should make clear that PPE recommended specifically to combat the spread of COVID-19 is not subject to the normal OSHA requirements around workplace PPE.
Employers also may face lawsuits around the limited supply of or training for PPE. Worker’s compensation issues dealing with shortages of PPE or its incorrect use are also likely to emerge. The federal government should clarify the scope of liability for the provision (or inability to provide due to scarcity) of PPE.
Support for Independent Contractors
More than 23 million Americans receive income as independent contractors in fields as varied as construction, news reporting, professional services, and online-platform-enabled work. Businesses want to be able to provide the same type of workplace protections to independent contractors as they do for employees. However, doing so could be used to argue that the individual has ceased to be an independent contractor and is instead an “employee.” Congress should settle this tension by creating a safe harbor that would allow businesses to implement health practices and provide benefits, including PPE, without establishing a formal employment relationship for the duration of the COVID-19 return to work transition.
Employment Practices
Employers already are facing litigation regarding employment practices related to the pandemic. This includes class actions in the transportation industry regarding employees’ scope of work and travel destinations. Employers also could face liability around wage-and-hour issues (for example: Are employees compensated while getting tested or passing through screening?), leave policy, travel restrictions, telework protocols, and worker’s compensation. In addition, employers could risk legal actions if they do not accommodate employees who either insist on returning to work even though they have not completed health screenings or are high risk, or who refuse to return to work and provide adequate support for such refusal. There should be a safe harbor for temporary employer-implemented workplace policy changes designed to combat the spread of the coronavirus.
Another source of liability are charges against employers forced to lay off workers in response to social distancing policies and government-mandated closures. The federal WARN Act and many similar state laws require employers comply with procedural requirements, including notice to employees in the event of layoffs. California Governor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order on March 17, 2020 that suspended some requirements under California’s WARN Act and ordered the state’s labor agency to issue guidance on the suspension. Policymakers should implement similar statutory and/or regulatory changes designed to limit the application of the WARN Act for COVID-19 related layoffs.
Exposure Liability
This is perhaps the largest area of concern for the overall business community. It encompasses multiple types of claims that could be brought against business that have been designated as “essential” as well as large swaths of the remaining business community once the economy is reopened. The core component of claims in this category is that a customer/employee/patient/member of the public/etc. was exposed to COVID-19 in a business facility or as the result of a business’ particular action, or failure to act, and then that claimant became sick. The legal theories underlying these claims may range from simple negligence to strict liability to public nuisance, which the plaintiffs’ bar could try to pursue through contingency fee arrangements with cash-strapped states and municipalities. Depending on the legal theory underlying the claim, proving causation may be a challenge for plaintiffs. If enough claims are brought, the scope and magnitude of the litigation still may exert enough pressure to threaten businesses or industries with bankruptcy. The threat of exposure-related lawsuits also will deter some businesses from reopening even after it is determined that they could safely operate by following the guidance of appropriate health authorities.
Reforms to address these types of claims are largely dependent on which legal theory underlies a particular claim. For example, in the negligence space, providing a safe harbor for companies following CDC or state/local health department guidance could be helpful so long as the companies’ actions do not amount to gross negligence, recklessness, or willful misconduct. Procedural reforms such as channeling certain claims into federal court rather than allowing them to remain in various state courts could be helpful. Prohibiting or tightly circumscribing public nuisance claims also could be useful. Finally, policymakers should look to the reforms contained in prior economy-wide federal legal reform laws, such as the Y2K Act for guidance.
Product Liability
Makers of certain products/devices/equipment to either protect against, treat, or test for COVID-19 may not have sufficient protection against speculative litigation. While the PREP Act currently provides protection against some types of liability for some categories of key “countermeasures,” it does not cover others. For example, while respirators are now covered by the Act, hand sanitizers, soaps and other key cleaning supplies are not. Furthermore, the Act does not provide protection outside key healthcare-related spaces. For example, a non-healthcare provider business that provides PPE to its employees or uses recommended cleaning products does not receive any protections under the PREP Act. The list of product types covered by the PREP Act should be expanded to include widely recommended protective products such as hand sanitizers and cleaning supplies. In addition, the Act could be expanded to cover additional categories of users and providers of essential countermeasures.
Medical Liability
There is increasing concern about medical liability claims being brought against healthcare providers and facilities caring for COVID-19 patients. For example, the plaintiffs’ bar could try to bring medical liability/malpractice claims arising from care decisions, lack of care due to equipment shortages, as well as mistakes due to long hours or staff shortages. Also of concern are lawsuits brought against nursing homes and assisted living facilities for allegedly failing to protect residents/patients from contracting COVID-19. Healthcare facilities could be forced to ration care and make difficult decisions about who does and does not receive specific types of treatments, and each of those decisions has the potential of becoming a lawsuit. In addition, there are liability concerns about claims brought by non-COVID-19 patients who allege that they did not receive the appropriate standard of care due to the influx of COVID-19 patients that a healthcare facility or provider was required to treat.
At the federal level, the CARES Act provides some liability protections for volunteer healthcare providers caring for COVID-19 patients. The CARES Act language should be expanded to include all healthcare providers and facilities (not just volunteers). In addition, significant state-level COVID-19 medical liability statutes, such as one New York recently enacted, could serve as a model for a preemptive federal fix in this area.
Securities Litigation
Securities class actions already have been filed against businesses impacted by the coronavirus—such as those in the cruise line and pharmaceutical sectors—based on stock-price drops resulting from the impact of the virus and claims that companies should have been warning investors about the potential consequences if the world was faced with an unprecedented pandemic. In addition, securities litigation also has been filed related to data privacy concerns for certain video conferencing platforms that have increased in popularity due to the increased use of teleworking because of COVID-19 stay-at-home orders. An automatic stay should be placed on securities litigation cases arising out of or related to the COVID-19 emergency until after the President’s declaration of a public emergency has been rescinded. In addition, these types of securities cases could be consolidated into one or a few federal district courts for efficiency purposes. Also, defendants in these cases should be allowed to have interlocutory appeal rights for the denial of a motion to dismiss and plaintiffs should have to plead with particularity all the elements of their claim in these cases; and all discovery should be stayed until after the motion to dismiss stage of the litigation. Finally, it is worth considering a cap on damages in COVID-19 related securities lawsuits.
Customer Communications
Businesses have an enhanced need during the COVID-19 emergency to communicate to customers via telephone and text messages regarding operating status, restricted access, and other issues. However, the threat of litigation under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) can cause a business to limit the use of the important informational phone calls and texts. Approval of a pending petition at the FCC to expand the type of communications subject to an emergency exemption due to the COVID-19 situation would be helpful.
False Claims Act
Cases brought under the federal False Claims Act (FCA) can impose significant liability on entities receiving federal funding or contracts and these types of liability concerns have the potential of slowing down relief under the CARES Act and any future relief measures. In the FCA space, the Small Business Administration’s Interim Final Rule implementing the paycheck protection loan program under the CARES Act does contain very helpful hold harmless language for financial services providers; to more fully effectuate that language a memorandum of understanding between the SBA and the Department of Justice (DOJ) regarding how DOJ will approach FCA litigation under the CARES Act loan program would be extremely valuable and similar reforms also should be implemented for any future relief measures.
Support for Businesses and Individuals
The federal government took unprecedented steps to support employers and individuals during the current shutdown. These programs will need to be modified and to some extent extended and targeted to assist those businesses and individuals who will remain under distress during a phased or gradual reopening.
Businesses Dependent on High-Density Gatherings or Travel
Entertainment venues, restaurants, bars, companies that host meetings and events, and many other businesses are only profitable when they achieve the type of occupancy and density that is not possible during social distancing. In addition, many businesses rely on business, trade show, and personal travel that may be greatly reduced based on social distancing guidance. A gradual or phased reopening that restricts the size of gatherings or limits travel may technically permit these businesses to reopen but this will mean operating at a significant loss. During the period where occupancy and gatherings are numerically restricted, these businesses should be provided with bridge assistance to enable them to remain viable.
Individuals Delayed in Returning to Work
Until there is a widely available vaccine, or at least a widely available effective treatment for those who fall ill, not everyone will be able to resume normal work activities. High risk populations will need to engage in social distancing or even remain at home entirely. Individuals, including independent contractors, who must stay home because of their risk profile will need ongoing financial support if they cannot work remotely. This may require an extension of regular unemployment insurance or the creation of a new “high risk” unemployment insurance system.
Questions
What additional essential services do you see as necessary to support a phased reopening?
What additional resources do you anticipate needing to operationalize a phased reopening?
What additional guidance, including specific regulatory guidance, from the federal government would be beneficial for a phased reopening?
What additional legal liability issues are you concerned about during a phased reopening?
Do you anticipate your businesses needing additional financial support to bridge a phased reopening? If so, what form should that take?
How have you changed how you operate your business as a result of COVID-19 and what changes do you anticipate continuing after the pandemic?
Have you benefitted from any of the federal support, including the SBA’s Paycheck Protection Program, implemented since the onset of the pandemic? If so, which support programs and do you have feedback on these programs and the federal response? Are there any changes you would recommend?
What new support do you envision needing going forward? For example, some types of standing support for business interruption in the case of a pandemic? How concerned are you about the potential costs of such support?
While restoring the economy will be a matter of private sector employers being able to resume activity, what other role should the private sector be playing, and what hindrances do you see in the way of any of these efforts?
What did we forget to ask?
To: Members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
From: Suzanne Clark, President, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Date: April 13, 2020
What will a return to work look like? That is the question weighing heavily on the minds of government leaders and public health officials, employers and their employees, and American families striving for the delicate balance of staying safe and making ends meet.
It is a question that begs more questions. But this much is increasingly certain: returning to work will be gradual, phased-in, and will vary by factors such as location, sector, business type or size, and the health status of workers. It also will require continued social distancing, expanded use of personal protective equipment, and other counter-measures.
Whenever the return to work begins, the planning for it must begin now. The American business community must begin preparing now for new processes, requirements, or restrictions for which there is no playbook or precedent. And we must not allow a lack of resources, regulations that are not fit-for-purpose, and the fear of litigation to sideline efforts to return to work and life—safely, successfully, and sustainably.
To help business and government anticipate the challenges we may face, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has begun to explore and catalogue some of the major implications of returning to work in this environment—ranging from workplace safety and employee rights to liability concerns and continued revenue disruptions.
Some of our initial thoughts are detailed below across three different sections:
Essential Services and Resources
Resolution of Regulatory and Legal Liability Issues
Support for Businesses and Individuals
This document is intended to spur discussion. We hope you will not only read it, but also react to it and add to it. We don’t have all the answers today – or even all the questions.
It is worth pausing to thank all of those who never stopped working, who risk their personal health to keep everyone else safer. As we proceed, we should think about how we honor them and recognize their efforts.
Working together, we know we can be better prepared for the successful reopening of our economy and an eventual return to normal ways of working and living.
Issues to Resolve for a Successful Return to Work
Essential Services and Resources
Bringing employees back to work and reopening commerce will require that certain essential services and resources are in place. These include:
General Health Screening
The CDC has recommended that critical infrastructure employers screen certain exposed employees for temperature, ideally before entering the facility. If this recommendation is expanded to cover all employees and potentially customers, employers will have to acquire temperature checking equipment and develop a process to screen individuals. Early and federally consistent guidance as to what will be expected is critical because it will take time to acquire equipment and establish protocols.
COVID-19 Testing
To the extent that return to work is based on the testing of employees either for the COVID-19 virus or antibodies to COVID-19, there will have to be sufficient testing capacity, as well as clear resolution on who is responsible for administering the tests, paying for the tests, and checking test results. Most employers are not well-positioned to administer these medical tests, so there must be widely accessible third-party providers. There also will need to be standardization as to when employees need to be tested, the frequency of tests (especially important if testing for infection, rather than antibodies), and the documentation employees will provide to employers. Frequent testing could be especially costly, and it should be determined who will bear those costs.
Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)
If public health professionals recommend widespread use of PPE, such as masks, it will require clarity as to what is needed and who is responsible for providing such equipment, especially if shortages persist. For example, with respect to certain employees in critical infrastructure, the CDC has said: “Employers can issue facemasks or can approve employees’ supplied cloth face coverings in the event of shortages.” However, the purpose of these masks should be made clear as many are not rated for protecting the wearer and employers asking employees to wear them should not be held liable if an employee contracts COVID-19 while wearing such a mask.
Transportation
Approximately eight million Americans rely on public transportation to get to and from work each day. Public transportation is most efficient when it maximizes density, which needs to be avoided to preserve social distancing. While staggered worktimes can help spread out the rush hour, transit systems likely will need to operate at what would normally be excess capacity in order to support public health. Transit systems will likely require some form of financial assistance to support a safe return to work.
Childcare
Throughout the United States, many childcare providers that are still operating are primarily only caring for the children of essential workers. They also have implemented various public health recommendations to increase social distancing, such as lowering teacher-child ratios. In order to allow other parents to return to work, childcare providers will need to presumably operate under sub-optimal financial conditions: below previous capacity levels (as not all employees will return to work at once) and with increased costs (to maintain social distancing and accommodate staggered work times). Childcare providers will likely require some form of temporary financial assistance in recognition that they will need to operate at a loss in order to allow parents to return to work.
Resolution of Regulatory and Legal Liability Issues
A reopening plan that is medically based and relies on social distancing and other best practices for public health may raise significant regulatory and legal liability risks. These are in addition to numerous lawsuits already filed as a result of COVID-19 and litigation risk that will become exacerbated during a reopening. Issues include:
Health Privacy
Federal and some state laws are designed to maximize the health privacy of individuals. However, this objective could conflict with potential reopening requirements for employers to verify an employee’s COVID-19 status and/or their vulnerability due to underlying health conditions. Employer efforts to protect other employees and conduct contact tracing in the workplace after an individual has tested positive could be slowed by obligations to protect the infected individual’s health privacy. In addition, confidentiality requirements could prevent businesses from narrowly focusing their contact tracing so as to balance workforce safety while minimizing business interruption. During the COVID-19 national emergency and recovery period, employers will need a broad safe-harbor to make necessary inquiries regarding health status and to make certain limited disclosures to prevent the spread of the disease.
Discrimination Claims
Employers who conduct a medically-based or risk-based reopening (using factors such as age or underlying health conditions) may face liability under existing anti-discrimination rules, including the Age Discrimination in Employment Act and the anti-discrimination provisions of the Americans with Disabilities Act. In addition, employers could face claims for adverse employment actions by employees who are delayed in returning to work or who feel they are not provided other reasonable employment accommodations. At the same time, employers can likewise face liability if they return at-risk employees to work too soon. There is a need for clear guidance about what practices are acceptable in conducting a medically-based or risk-based reopening and provide a safe harbor for actions taken by employers consistent with those guidelines.
Safe Workplace Requirements
Generally, when maintaining a safe workplace requires the use of personal protective equipment (PPE) such as masks, respirators, and physical barriers, OSHA requires employers to be responsible for ensuring the availability of such equipment and training employees on the use of the equipment. This is simply not possible if PPE becomes recommended in all workplaces. The federal government should make clear that PPE recommended specifically to combat the spread of COVID-19 is not subject to the normal OSHA requirements around workplace PPE.
Employers also may face lawsuits around the limited supply of or training for PPE. Worker’s compensation issues dealing with shortages of PPE or its incorrect use are also likely to emerge. The federal government should clarify the scope of liability for the provision (or inability to provide due to scarcity) of PPE.
Support for Independent Contractors
More than 23 million Americans receive income as independent contractors in fields as varied as construction, news reporting, professional services, and online-platform-enabled work. Businesses want to be able to provide the same type of workplace protections to independent contractors as they do for employees. However, doing so could be used to argue that the individual has ceased to be an independent contractor and is instead an “employee.” Congress should settle this tension by creating a safe harbor that would allow businesses to implement health practices and provide benefits, including PPE, without establishing a formal employment relationship for the duration of the COVID-19 return to work transition.
Employment Practices
Employers already are facing litigation regarding employment practices related to the pandemic. This includes class actions in the transportation industry regarding employees’ scope of work and travel destinations. Employers also could face liability around wage-and-hour issues (for example: Are employees compensated while getting tested or passing through screening?), leave policy, travel restrictions, telework protocols, and worker’s compensation. In addition, employers could risk legal actions if they do not accommodate employees who either insist on returning to work even though they have not completed health screenings or are high risk, or who refuse to return to work and provide adequate support for such refusal. There should be a safe harbor for temporary employer-implemented workplace policy changes designed to combat the spread of the coronavirus.
Another source of liability are charges against employers forced to lay off workers in response to social distancing policies and government-mandated closures. The federal WARN Act and many similar state laws require employers comply with procedural requirements, including notice to employees in the event of layoffs. California Governor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order on March 17, 2020 that suspended some requirements under California’s WARN Act and ordered the state’s labor agency to issue guidance on the suspension. Policymakers should implement similar statutory and/or regulatory changes designed to limit the application of the WARN Act for COVID-19 related layoffs.
Exposure Liability
This is perhaps the largest area of concern for the overall business community. It encompasses multiple types of claims that could be brought against business that have been designated as “essential” as well as large swaths of the remaining business community once the economy is reopened. The core component of claims in this category is that a customer/employee/patient/member of the public/etc. was exposed to COVID-19 in a business facility or as the result of a business’ particular action, or failure to act, and then that claimant became sick. The legal theories underlying these claims may range from simple negligence to strict liability to public nuisance, which the plaintiffs’ bar could try to pursue through contingency fee arrangements with cash-strapped states and municipalities. Depending on the legal theory underlying the claim, proving causation may be a challenge for plaintiffs. If enough claims are brought, the scope and magnitude of the litigation still may exert enough pressure to threaten businesses or industries with bankruptcy. The threat of exposure-related lawsuits also will deter some businesses from reopening even after it is determined that they could safely operate by following the guidance of appropriate health authorities.
Reforms to address these types of claims are largely dependent on which legal theory underlies a particular claim. For example, in the negligence space, providing a safe harbor for companies following CDC or state/local health department guidance could be helpful so long as the companies’ actions do not amount to gross negligence, recklessness, or willful misconduct. Procedural reforms such as channeling certain claims into federal court rather than allowing them to remain in various state courts could be helpful. Prohibiting or tightly circumscribing public nuisance claims also could be useful. Finally, policymakers should look to the reforms contained in prior economy-wide federal legal reform laws, such as the Y2K Act for guidance.
Product Liability
Makers of certain products/devices/equipment to either protect against, treat, or test for COVID-19 may not have sufficient protection against speculative litigation. While the PREP Act currently provides protection against some types of liability for some categories of key “countermeasures,” it does not cover others. For example, while respirators are now covered by the Act, hand sanitizers, soaps and other key cleaning supplies are not. Furthermore, the Act does not provide protection outside key healthcare-related spaces. For example, a non-healthcare provider business that provides PPE to its employees or uses recommended cleaning products does not receive any protections under the PREP Act. The list of product types covered by the PREP Act should be expanded to include widely recommended protective products such as hand sanitizers and cleaning supplies. In addition, the Act could be expanded to cover additional categories of users and providers of essential countermeasures.
Medical Liability
There is increasing concern about medical liability claims being brought against healthcare providers and facilities caring for COVID-19 patients. For example, the plaintiffs’ bar could try to bring medical liability/malpractice claims arising from care decisions, lack of care due to equipment shortages, as well as mistakes due to long hours or staff shortages. Also of concern are lawsuits brought against nursing homes and assisted living facilities for allegedly failing to protect residents/patients from contracting COVID-19. Healthcare facilities could be forced to ration care and make difficult decisions about who does and does not receive specific types of treatments, and each of those decisions has the potential of becoming a lawsuit. In addition, there are liability concerns about claims brought by non-COVID-19 patients who allege that they did not receive the appropriate standard of care due to the influx of COVID-19 patients that a healthcare facility or provider was required to treat.
At the federal level, the CARES Act provides some liability protections for volunteer healthcare providers caring for COVID-19 patients. The CARES Act language should be expanded to include all healthcare providers and facilities (not just volunteers). In addition, significant state-level COVID-19 medical liability statutes, such as one New York recently enacted, could serve as a model for a preemptive federal fix in this area.
Securities Litigation
Securities class actions already have been filed against businesses impacted by the coronavirus—such as those in the cruise line and pharmaceutical sectors—based on stock-price drops resulting from the impact of the virus and claims that companies should have been warning investors about the potential consequences if the world was faced with an unprecedented pandemic. In addition, securities litigation also has been filed related to data privacy concerns for certain video conferencing platforms that have increased in popularity due to the increased use of teleworking because of COVID-19 stay-at-home orders. An automatic stay should be placed on securities litigation cases arising out of or related to the COVID-19 emergency until after the President’s declaration of a public emergency has been rescinded. In addition, these types of securities cases could be consolidated into one or a few federal district courts for efficiency purposes. Also, defendants in these cases should be allowed to have interlocutory appeal rights for the denial of a motion to dismiss and plaintiffs should have to plead with particularity all the elements of their claim in these cases; and all discovery should be stayed until after the motion to dismiss stage of the litigation. Finally, it is worth considering a cap on damages in COVID-19 related securities lawsuits.
Customer Communications
Businesses have an enhanced need during the COVID-19 emergency to communicate to customers via telephone and text messages regarding operating status, restricted access, and other issues. However, the threat of litigation under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) can cause a business to limit the use of the important informational phone calls and texts. Approval of a pending petition at the FCC to expand the type of communications subject to an emergency exemption due to the COVID-19 situation would be helpful.
False Claims Act
Cases brought under the federal False Claims Act (FCA) can impose significant liability on entities receiving federal funding or contracts and these types of liability concerns have the potential of slowing down relief under the CARES Act and any future relief measures. In the FCA space, the Small Business Administration’s Interim Final Rule implementing the paycheck protection loan program under the CARES Act does contain very helpful hold harmless language for financial services providers; to more fully effectuate that language a memorandum of understanding between the SBA and the Department of Justice (DOJ) regarding how DOJ will approach FCA litigation under the CARES Act loan program would be extremely valuable and similar reforms also should be implemented for any future relief measures.
Support for Businesses and Individuals
The federal government took unprecedented steps to support employers and individuals during the current shutdown. These programs will need to be modified and to some extent extended and targeted to assist those businesses and individuals who will remain under distress during a phased or gradual reopening.
Businesses Dependent on High-Density Gatherings or Travel
Entertainment venues, restaurants, bars, companies that host meetings and events, and many other businesses are only profitable when they achieve the type of occupancy and density that is not possible during social distancing. In addition, many businesses rely on business, trade show, and personal travel that may be greatly reduced based on social distancing guidance. A gradual or phased reopening that restricts the size of gatherings or limits travel may technically permit these businesses to reopen but this will mean operating at a significant loss. During the period where occupancy and gatherings are numerically restricted, these businesses should be provided with bridge assistance to enable them to remain viable.
Individuals Delayed in Returning to Work
Until there is a widely available vaccine, or at least a widely available effective treatment for those who fall ill, not everyone will be able to resume normal work activities. High risk populations will need to engage in social distancing or even remain at home entirely. Individuals, including independent contractors, who must stay home because of their risk profile will need ongoing financial support if they cannot work remotely. This may require an extension of regular unemployment insurance or the creation of a new “high risk” unemployment insurance system.
Questions
What additional essential services do you see as necessary to support a phased reopening?
What additional resources do you anticipate needing to operationalize a phased reopening?
What additional guidance, including specific regulatory guidance, from the federal government would be beneficial for a phased reopening?
What additional legal liability issues are you concerned about during a phased reopening?
Do you anticipate your businesses needing additional financial support to bridge a phased reopening? If so, what form should that take?
How have you changed how you operate your business as a result of COVID-19 and what changes do you anticipate continuing after the pandemic?
Have you benefitted from any of the federal support, including the SBA’s Paycheck Protection Program, implemented since the onset of the pandemic? If so, which support programs and do you have feedback on these programs and the federal response? Are there any changes you would recommend?
What new support do you envision needing going forward? For example, some types of standing support for business interruption in the case of a pandemic? How concerned are you about the potential costs of such support?
While restoring the economy will be a matter of private sector employers being able to resume activity, what other role should the private sector be playing, and what hindrances do you see in the way of any of these efforts?
What did we forget to ask?
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