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I’d be interested in seeing a link to these data if you have one.
My wife goes to the gym (bootcamp type classes) 4 days a week while we're in Boise. She's the only one that wears a mask the whole time, including the instructors. Since we're new here, it seems obvious that people kind of avoid her, maybe thinking it's weird. Thankfully, she's not the type to care what people think of her and doesn't need to talk to people. She continues to be shocked that no one else wears one, especially with the crazy spike going on in Idaho.
glad you probably don't have it. my understanding is that false negatives are always possible and with some tests and circumstances around the testing, (mainly timing i think), false negatives are quite common.
What you said isn’t true. 20% of the workers in one store in Boston were infected. Not 20% of grocery store workers across the country. The articles title is ridiculously misleading. It even mentions the union with 1.3 million people has had 108 deaths and 16k infections. Both of those figures are less than the national average. I mean, how many grocery stores have no infections. That type of story is borderline reckless because it insinuates that going into a grocery store is ridiculously dangerous when the study is about 1 store where 9% of the workers admitted to not wearing masks in the store and 23% admitted to not wearing masks outside of the store. What if a bunch were friends and hung out together a lot. If 20% of grocery store workers got infected then the union would have 260k cases not 16k. The nationwide average is about 3% (11M in 330M).
Fair Fair but let's not pretend that it's only happening in Boston, my son is a manager at Publix-bog chain in South, you wouldn't believe what goes on behind closed doors.
If she's the only one wearing a mask, that isn't really going to prevent her from getting COVID, especially in an enclosed space with people presumable breathing heavy and whatnot.
Not gonna happen. Any nationwide lockdown would need to be accompanied by a huuuuuge aid package, the likes of which would never pass a Senate that’s almost certain (per literally everything I hear) to remain under Republican control.
The uptick of those things for 3.5 months does not justify allowing the disease to spread exponentially for a year + longer. A deadly disease is going to result in hard decisions and bad outcomes no matter what. With that said--the worst possible way to handle things are to let it explode--kill hundreds of thousands of people, allow your healthcare system to collapse, extend the length of time it will impact people financially and emotionally. If you think we are handling it better than Australia---I powerfully beg to disagree with you.
Good luck with the tests. I’m in Dane county and schools are mostly virtual here with no plans to go to in person anytime soon.
I am just across the county border in Columbia Co. Not surprising- teams from Waunakee and other towns come here to practice (I am assuming stricter rules in Dane?). My son was going to the rec center here a little bit until that started happening more and more. This county by county thing is dumb as hell.
I'm just saying that if the justification for a complete 4 to 6 week shutdown is to "be like Australia", people need to realize the length and byproducts of the Australian shutdown. It's not a no-brainer by any means and comes with some severe trade-offs.
You don't think depression is going up here--and those depressions numbers will be increasing as the virus spreads more? You think that kids aren't suffering more having to do virtual learning for months if not a years on end as opposed to opening things back up in weeks? You don't think the tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of lives that Australia saved by eradicating it through quick but painful measures did not more than account for the negatives you mentioned? This is going to suck for everybody and everybody here knows that any lock down has negative ramifications. Nothing in my posts have indicated otherwise. Even with some of the negative ramifications Australia suffered through--they are still looking 100x better than we are right now in regards to negative outcomes. We will end up with more death, more depression, more of a hit to our economy, more unemployment, a defecit like nobody has ever seen, and our healthcare systems and workers will end up being tested to the point they are on the brink of collaps. It is a no brainer by virtually every measure.
Of course-and the first thing I said in my post previous to this is that I'm not advocating a full lock down. We should have down a full lockdown earlier when it was controllable--but we're past that. With that said--and China has proven this: Localized resurgences of the virus are far easier to contain and control than it spreading like a wildfire everywhere. Once you control/eradicate it--you implement mandatory quarantines for international travelers coming in, you set up coordinated and organized testing, and you set up organized and nationalized contact tracing measures. This way you can stomp out any outbreaks before they grow too large. My only point is this---anybody who looks at how we handled covid and is trying to make the claim that we somehow did things right--is being intellectually dishonest. We suffered the humanitarian toll through deaths, we suffered the mental tolls through depression and suicide, we suffered great economic losses especially in the small business world, our kids are suffering through the limited capabilities of the education system currently, and even through suffering all of those thigns--its still running rampid and will be doing so for months to come. We are the wealthiest country with the most resources--and we somehow decided to handle this worse than most second and third world countries.
Nowhere did I make this claim.
Yep. The stuff in red ... it's not being quantified. An "increase" in those things might be a big deal ... or it might barely be a thing at all. Unless the mental health aspects are just going through the roof, a 3.5 month lockdown was almost certainly worth it.
Since nobody wants to actually read the link
It is already happening. Many stores are already seeing empty shelves when it comes to paper goods in our area. I am glad we never let up and are well stocked for whatever happens. I am WFH completely until mid-January now at the minimum. I need my wife's school district to go full virtual so she can also go back to WFH--at least until this latest spike goes down.HellToupee said:
I understand the concerns on this front, but this is also stuff that we seem to fight over - access to mental health care, a decent stimulus to support people while they can't work, etc.. This should yet again open our eyes to how little we focus on these things as a country. IMO we should have been better equipped to deal with this side of the equation as well and helped limit those cases.JaxBill said:
That's just GREAT for our already crappy overall mental health in this country
Technically a continent. I mean at some point all land masses are islands.Uhhh, not sure how to break this to you, but Australia is an island.
Problem is, by the time most everyone tests positive, they've been contagious for several days.
I am talking about the latter really. We have been nearly 100% delivery since March. If I had to go somewhere (Dr., curbside pickup, etc.) I wear a mask. We have met people outside and maintained distance, but no masks if those folks similarly careful. I have had to have some work done in my house, and we make them wear masks, we open windows, avoid them, and then spray lysol when they leave. My MIL has gone to the store, and she wears a mask and face shield and sanitizes hands afterwards -- she is basically the only person we see. She attended that wedding 3 weeks ago with a mask, so should be clear now.
I don't think this is being driven by people who have tested positive saying F it and moving on with their lives.
Sorry that I was being inarticulate.
I mean my feelings on this hasn't changed in 4-5 months. People, especially US people are not fully informed about what is risky.
Risk of someone getting it is a function of:
"Yep" to both of these.
Well, and this will be taken the wrong way by some. The use of masks in the grocery stores even half ### is giving a false sense that when not in those environments people are safe. We seemed in some ways to be doing better without them.
She's used to 10-15 classes a week. It's not ideal but it keeps her sane.
