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I don't think he believes it. I think he is just enjoying what he views as an exquisite troll session. I mean, no one that was serious would link to physicians that lost licenses, etc. He obviously chose those links to that fringe population to elicit the exact response he got. I chose to simply follow your lead rather than waste the 15 seconds it takes to read it.it's amazing what some will believe.
One more added to the ignore list... avoid quoting where possible. TIA
The kicker is complaining about "forced" vaccines and then saying he is a vet , where they make certain vaccines mandatory. Hell back in the day they lined you up with a vaccine gun (jet injector) and just went down the line. I think that changed in 1996 for safety
If you get the urge to start hoarding potatoes and toilet paper, seek a cultural attaché immediately.
Well of course some people gave up thanksgiving. I did. Plenty in this thread did.
FFA mad libs:Ok, looking for advice from the FFA. (which is usually a mistake, but it could be fun). Here is the situation:
Heading to WI later this week with wife and kids to see the grandparents for xmas. We’ve all been locked down for 4 weeks, even more than normal (which has involved seeing....oh.....nobody), only trips to grocery store for necessities (short trip, fully masked)
Our plan is to stay with my parents for 4 days. Everyone agreed to follow this protocol. You can guess where this is headed.
So, 2 days ago, my 75 yo FIL (who lives in the same town, and is widowed) decided to see his married GF to “exchange Xmas gifts.” (Please god let that not be a euphemism) He called my wife to ask “what protocol to follow.” I told my wife “tell him to see her outdoors, maybe even with a mask.” Fast forward, FIL and wife talk - and she says “yeah, just be sure to wear a mask.” FIL then invites GF into his house (!!) for 40 minutes. They both wear masks the whole time supposedly.
Wife tells me. I get pissed. Basically, wtf did we bother taking precautions for if FIL was going to break protocol and see his GF indoors? They haven’t seen each other in person indoors since March. Why now??? (Note: married GF lives with her husband. She works from home, but the actual husband works in a factory. He’s around people - masked - 5 days a week)
My parents have basically said “do whatever you want but a) he can’t come in our house, b) if you all see him indoors, then you can’t come in our house afterwards.”
The whole point was to all be super double extra safe so we could spend Xmas together. Ugh.
What would the FFA recommend?
Nobody really knows if "covid" is curable. We basically know that generally speaking--approximately 10-15% of people that test positive for it need hospitalization--and most of the time with ample medical care, personnel, medicine--it tends to be treatable and survivable for a majority of people. We don't know if there are long term ramifications to it--so the term "curable" is probably a bit premature in regards to covid imo. Secondly--from very early since the onset of Covid--the biggest fear was a strained hospital system to where there are shortages in medical personnel, medicine, equipment, beds and quality of care to treat the high volume of patients that require hospitalization. Once these things hit a critical supply of being shorthanded--this somewhat "treatable" disease rapidly becomes a lot more lethal. When it comes to Covid--because of the way it grows exponentially--you have to look at it and understand the macro view of it to really understand how dangerous it is. I find that those who view it or choose to view it with a micro-view are the ones that refuse to accept and understand how serious it is. It's not different than a rainstorm. Most cities and infrastructures can handle a weather system that brings mild to moderate rain for a week or more. However--those same cities and infrastructures can get destroyed and devastated by a storm that dumps torrential rain for a period of 24 hours or less. Proper behavior (masking, social distancing, temporarily eliminating physical interactions with people that are unnecessary, sanitizing and sterlizying things that you come in contact with, hand washing..tec ) is the way for us to metaphorically reduce the downpour into a a more treatable and controllable sprinkle or shower. If everybody would just understand this concept--we'd be in such a better place in regards to this pandemic.
Did I read this right? Your FIL is cucking some married dude and giving his wife the yule-log?Ok, looking for advice from the FFA. (which is usually a mistake, but it could be fun). Here is the situation:
Heading to WI later this week with wife and kids to see the grandparents for xmas. We’ve all been locked down for 4 weeks, even more than normal (which has involved seeing....oh.....nobody), only trips to grocery store for necessities (short trip, fully masked)
Our plan is to stay with my parents for 4 days. Everyone agreed to follow this protocol. You can guess where this is headed.
So, 2 days ago, my 75 yo FIL (who lives in the same town, and is widowed) decided to see his married GF to “exchange Xmas gifts.” (Please god let that not be a euphemism) He called my wife to ask “what protocol to follow.” I told my wife “tell him to see her outdoors, maybe even with a mask.” Fast forward, FIL and wife talk - and she says “yeah, just be sure to wear a mask.” FIL then invites GF into his house (!!) for 40 minutes. They both wear masks the whole time supposedly.
Wife tells me. I get pissed. Basically, wtf did we bother taking precautions for if FIL was going to break protocol and see his GF indoors? They haven’t seen each other in person indoors since March. Why now??? (Note: married GF lives with her husband. She works from home, but the actual husband works in a factory. He’s around people - masked - 5 days a week)
My parents have basically said “do whatever you want but a) he can’t come in our house, b) if you all see him indoors, then you can’t come in our house afterwards.”
The whole point was to all be super double extra safe so we could spend Xmas together. Ugh.
What would the FFA recommend?
We’re on longer allowed to tell people that rabies is 100% fatal once symptoms begin. Apparently, some people have been cured of the rabies virus through an extreme treatment, but they were left in a vagetative State.
Pretty sure a girl in my state recovered and did quite well. It was a discovery channel show. She picked up a bat in church iirc.
Yeah, I mistakenly linked an article up thread talking about the mutation that made the Italian SARS-CoV-2 worse than the original Wuhan flavor. This UK variety appears to be even more contagious, though should still be covered by the vaccine, unless the mutation dramatically altered the spike protein antibody binding site. Usually these sites are highly conserved, and there’s a little flexibility that allows binding if the fit isn’t perfect.Doug B said:
Interesting, and definitely recommending stuff way off standard of care based on limited, less than ideal data. And that quote is pretty over the top for a single study of ~150 patients. Plus it’s weird he doesn’t mention dexamethasone.themeanmachine said:
I’m pretty cocksure rabies has been survived non-vagetatively.Cold Dead Hands said:
Yes we do. Millions have people have had covid and made full recoveries. It's as curable as . . . wait for it . . . the flu.jvdesigns2002 said:
####### bats, man. Maybe we should start leaving bats alone?parasaurolophus said:
It’s treatable- not curable. It’s not like a bacterial infection where a particular anti-biotic is known to kill specific types of bacteria and cure them. There is no established “cure” for covid. They treat the symptoms that the particular patient has, they beef up the body’s response with steroids in some cases..etc. Upwards of 15-20% of people that have “recovered” from covid are long haulers that still experience symptoms. How do they fit in your “cure” argument?
You're getting hung up on a semantic argument over "curable" vs. "treatable." Regardless, it's like THE FLU in the sense that the overwhelming majority of people recover from it.
I'm not exaggerating anything. You are spreading misleading information. There is no cure for covid. When somebody points out smething that you say is wrong--that doesn't mean they are exaggerating. I've lost several family members to Covid--maybe read through the first 20 pages of this thread and you'll see that I was one of a handful of people here that were completely right about covid. I don't need to be told by you or anybody else about my thoughts of a disease. It's called having an opinion. So far in regards to Covid--my opinion has been more accurate than yours will ever be.
Did SARS 1 become less deadly? Is ebola less deadly? Did smallpox become less deadly? Did MERS become less deadly?
That sucks but I also have a random question that I just cant get passed. Your wife's MIL is not your Mom? Sorry I'm just hung up on this
For those of us who are not medical researchers or otherwise working on the very front lines of covid-related knowledge discovery, it's almost certainly best to tentatively operate under the assumption that covid behaves like other viruses are known to behave. Obviously we can always update our priors as new information comes in, but taking as our starting point "this virus is different and probably worse than all other viruses that have come before" is most likely going to (1) lead you to believe things that turn out to be wrong (most things are normal, few things are abnormal, and betting on "abnormal" out of the gate in the absence of any special information will lead to error most of the time), and (2) unnecessarily freak people out (covid is bad and scary enough to without making things up).
In before we start hearing reports that "There's antifreeze in the vaccine!!!1!1!" There's not -- it's ethylene glycol that's the active ingredient in automotive antifreeze. Sometimes diethylene glycol is also present in antifreeze. But neither are in the vaccines, and though the names of the chemicals are similar, the properties are very different.
Polyethylene glycol is also what's in Miralax (used frequently for constipation) and many bowel preps for colonoscopies.
It is funny that for you the only choice other than this will mutate to become less deadly is that it is the worst virus ever.
