Dinsy Ejotuz
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Yeah... the doctor in China who first found this ID'd four cases of it in one family immediately after Christmas. Those are the first cases recognized.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (16 Viewers)
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Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Adherence and enforcement seem to be 2 major differences. NYC is halfway adhering and there’s no enforcement.
Keerock
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Possum
Footballguy
Agreed, some of these folks need to unplug the TV and computer in the bunker and take a mental health break.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Fascinating -- Singapore using mobile technology to trace COVID contacts and exposures
Another article
Basically uses your phone to trace anyone that was within a certain distance of you using Bluetooth and can notify them of an exposure when someone tests positive.
Another article
Basically uses your phone to trace anyone that was within a certain distance of you using Bluetooth and can notify them of an exposure when someone tests positive.
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Andy Dufresne
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Possum
Footballguy
those people need to take a deep breath and realize that acting like the virus police is not going to change anything for the better.
everyone in this thread is taking the thing about 100% more seriously than the average Joe and that's as good as you can hope for without additional government intervention.
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tamales
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This is such BS. There were similar complaints about Italians visiting ski resorts and beaches.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I really don't know the answer. I'd speculate that the spread is similar to the flu, but that it's easier to "catch" ...easier for the virus to take hold, given our lack of any internal defenses.
NotSmart
Footballguy
BigJim®
Footballguy
Are you talking about the U.S.? You think tens and tens of millions legitimately sheltering vs. dozens is the current ratio? I'm not seeing that at all.
I'm a big fan of optimism, but only if it is used as inspiration that tough actions drive hopeful returns. I'm not sure our society does well, as a whole, with delayed gratification. I hope I'm wrong.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I believe it's entirely possible there were thousands of people in the US that had it in early Jan (countless China to Seattle flights just for example) and the hospital system was not overrun because the number of confirmed cases only reflects those that were tested (we weren't testing at all then), whereas the real number of cases is probably 10x higher. But if the actual mortality rate is only .5% instead of 5%, that makes a huge difference in the projections and we now know that a significant percentage of cases show no symptoms. There are far more people that will show no to mild symptoms vs. severe cases.
If NBA players, celebrities, congressmen, mayors, Andy Cohen, etc all have it now, that likely means there are at least hundreds of thousands or more that already have it or had it in the US, not just 30,000. Which means the mortality rate is much lower, which means the world is ending projections almost certainly won't hold true.
There are also appear to be genetic factors in play here in addition to age and underlying health conditions. We really won't know until there is much more testing and research on this disease.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
There is a balance to be reached for sure. I just think our country needs to collectively stop acting like a 7 year old stomping their feet after being told to do something they do want to do. We have seen what it takes from other countries, but we dont want our sports and bbqs taken away. Again, this is where the top down leadership is needed. This shouldn't be left up to cities and the "virus police". Tell the country to lockdown for a couple weeks, why, and how they are going to help after.
Yes, there can be optimism and we have the knowledge and capability to get through this, but it needs to be a collective effort.
NotSmart
Footballguy
Daycare will have to operate under temporary pandemic license. Max 6 children per room. Recommend no common space. Trying to keep children of same parents together.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ohio, like NC, is doing very good for its population so far. Shutting down more things is a good move to get ahead of the curve.
Galileo
Footballguy
I am not saying Big Brother is watching, but, I am not saying Big Brother is not watching...
Possum
Footballguy
I hear ya man, and I don't disagree that stronger government intervention may be necessary. But I think the relentless doom and gloom is counterproductive and just leads to more stress and eventual panic.
Maybe you guys are all seeing people ignoring the warnings, but I can tell you here it's a ghost town outside - about 5-10% of the normal vehicle traffic, lots of stores closed, public parks closed, etc. And that's just a minor hick town in N Florida. The US numbers are gonna go up for a while, because we've just started increased testing and identifying cases, but a lot of people are taking this stuff seriously, and I'm hopeful that will have a positive effect.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Along the lines of your last many posts, do you look down on the golf community that is going out there and playing all day right now? I'm still playing Tennis and am booked solid for the next week or two but I do feel a little guilty going and showing up to play and seeing 16 Soccer Fields on the other side of the hill completely empty or close to it. I'm just asking is it fair? Because I am likely to continue playing until I absolutely cannot get into the courts. They will not allow more than 4 on a Court right now and they shut down all organized leagues, etc...but the social groups are still allowed to play or in groups of 4 with a coach or instructor.
Another one to think about is all the boaters down here gathering at the sand bars just offshore or even in the Intercoastal waterways, are they going to close all the boat docks?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Sam Karlin@samkarlin
@LouisianaGov will issue a statewide shelter-in-place order beginning tomorrow, per source on a conference call with the governor. He will announce at a 2 pm newser #lalege #lagov
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Florida lock down HAS to be soon.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
I don’t think we can optimistic yet based on a single day of results. Need to see the 5 day trend
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Here are my conclusions to date based on my own research
1. This originated in China in Nov and was probably in the US by late Dec/early Jan, particularly in the Seattle area.
2. The real number of cases to date in the US is 10x than what is currently confirmed. So 300,000 instead of 30,000 as of today.
3. Over 30% of cases are asymptomatic. They show no symptoms, don't get sick, but can spread it.
4. The real mortality rate is between .1 - .5%. Worse than the flu but considerably less than what is feared if the asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases are several times higher than the number of currently reported cases.
I think our government officials are taking the right approach and that this will peak in 4 weeks and drop off within 8 weeks which will also coincide with warmer weather.
I reserve the right to be wrong about all of these things, but I think we have many reasons to be optimistic. Italy's numbers just took a positive turn today as well.
1. This originated in China in Nov and was probably in the US by late Dec/early Jan, particularly in the Seattle area.
2. The real number of cases to date in the US is 10x than what is currently confirmed. So 300,000 instead of 30,000 as of today.
3. Over 30% of cases are asymptomatic. They show no symptoms, don't get sick, but can spread it.
4. The real mortality rate is between .1 - .5%. Worse than the flu but considerably less than what is feared if the asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases are several times higher than the number of currently reported cases.
I think our government officials are taking the right approach and that this will peak in 4 weeks and drop off within 8 weeks which will also coincide with warmer weather.
I reserve the right to be wrong about all of these things, but I think we have many reasons to be optimistic. Italy's numbers just took a positive turn today as well.
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Ron Swanson
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It almost is by default with most businesses closed, bars closed, restaurants delivery or takeout only. The only thing left to shut down are the beaches and boat ramps. The beaches are far less crowded now that they shut down car access and are enforcing distancing rules. As long as it remains the same as a city sidewalk where people go out for walks and maintain distance I think that makes sense. The people driving to the boat ramps and taking their boats out and congregating on sandbars need to stop. Want to go out and fish? Fine. Congregate and party on a sandbar? Not so much.
facook
Footballguy
Wow really? I thought churches were adhering to the 25 person max recommendation given by CDC last week. All of the churches in my area of Oregon are either closed or online only.
NotSmart
Footballguy
Q: what are penalties for order?
A: 2nd degree misdemeanor, but not the goal. Important part is making this an order so it is followed. E.g. businesses should check employees and send home sick ones. The order is common sense... E.g. you can get dogfood, help a neighbor. Be mindful of limiting and combining trips.
Fed wants states to be consistent with essential businesses so supply chains not interrupted.
A: 2nd degree misdemeanor, but not the goal. Important part is making this an order so it is followed. E.g. businesses should check employees and send home sick ones. The order is common sense... E.g. you can get dogfood, help a neighbor. Be mindful of limiting and combining trips.
Fed wants states to be consistent with essential businesses so supply chains not interrupted.
Doug B
Footballguy
NotSmart
Footballguy
Q: Ohio had recent flooding, will contractors be able to continue working on claims etc.
A: yes.
That was final q.
Governor Dewine eding with positive and optimistic msg... Abraham Lincoln quote about being confident in people to do the right and necessary things.
Personal story about his dying father planting daffodils he knew he'd never see but his children would.
This is a war with silent invader... Don't help the enemy.
End of conference.
A: yes.
That was final q.
Governor Dewine eding with positive and optimistic msg... Abraham Lincoln quote about being confident in people to do the right and necessary things.
Personal story about his dying father planting daffodils he knew he'd never see but his children would.
This is a war with silent invader... Don't help the enemy.
End of conference.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
I have location and Bluetooth turned off on my phone, I will turn them on. Big brother might not be watching but he is storing every bit of info he can get on you. FB even tracks people who do not have a FB account and assigns them an ID #.
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