irish eyes
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Not surprised by the stupidity. I guarantee most of the people buying these probably have almost no food in their homes.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
the moops
Footballguy
Jagov
Footballguy
@msommer I think that has to do with multiple factors ...
When this all started, Belgium was in the process of actually forming a new federal government after regional elections in May 2019. They did create a sitting government last month but their only mission is to address the Corona crisis. This had them behind the 8 ball in certain areas from the get go.
The lock down measures that they put into place were somewhat less rigid than in Germany or here in The Netherlands.
The Belgian folks took (and still take if you ask me!) the measures less seriously than they should have. Just this past weekend they had huge gatherings of people in Antwerp and out cycling. The Belgians LOVE the cycling!
They are a smart people and wicked good with the data and stats. I think they are now doing a better job than most with reporting Covid cases and deaths.
Hope this helps.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
People who aren't collecting a paycheck don't care about economic studies. They are more concerned about their own situation.I don’t understand why we are still discussing financials when all of the economic studies show that proper implementation of NPIs will help get the economy moving faster once we have flattened the curve.
There is no, none, zilch, ZERO, data supporting that reopening sooner is better for the economy. Why do these myths keep getting perpetuated? Do people believe they are smarter than our best economists?
Where is @adonis and his post about instincts?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Shader touched on this yesterday I think as have others, but I think there is no clear message regarding these stay at home orders.
Are we just trying to flatten the curve or is there a belief that this thing will just disappear if we stay at home(but not really) long enough?
If we are just trying to flatten the curve, we should absolutely be opening things up in any area that isnt remotely close to medical care capacity.
If we think this will just disappear, we should be locked down even further.
Are we just trying to flatten the curve or is there a belief that this thing will just disappear if we stay at home(but not really) long enough?
If we are just trying to flatten the curve, we should absolutely be opening things up in any area that isnt remotely close to medical care capacity.
If we think this will just disappear, we should be locked down even further.
beer 30
Footballguy
Had the same experience last Friday when I went to the grocery store. People are over it here, FB is nothing but people #####ing about the overhyped lockdown, hospital bed availability, temp facilities getting cancelled, reduced death rate, etc. Worse than the PSF if you are on the other side of the argument. I hope they are right. I really, really want to jump on board with that and think yea, we might have gone overboard and we can dial it back.
I really want to...but I can't. I think, like has been said a lot recently in this thread, until it lands in your backyard, people are losing interest real quick in the greater good. Weather's nice, people been locked up for 2-3-4 weeks, gonna happen regardless if the government says go back to work or not.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
And the fact that 1918 flu studies are mostly irrelevant. #1 mortality for 18-44 year olds was much higher in 1918 for the flu. #2 warm weather had a large effect on it.
So far those things dont seem true for covid 19.
So if the goal of all of this is we think the disease can just fly away, thats very different than just staying below the capacity of healthcare.
I haven't seen any evidence that this will just go away. In most areas of the country we arent even close to touching capacity.
And none of that touches on the fact that a young healthy individual that loses his business doesnt give a hoot about unemployment being .2% lower in 2022.
msommer
Footballguy
jamny
Footballguy
It really is something that isn't spoken about as much will all the devastation around. It doesn't get reflected in any numbers. I had one friend whose mother died in a nursing home, another whose dad was in an Alzheimer's facility and had to be transferred when his condition worsened and died at the next facility, a friend lost her 19 year old son, who was non-verbal, autistic and had Down's Syndrome when he choked on food in his bedroom and a friend whose wife died of a heart attack in her sleep. All within the past 2 weeks. All either died alone or had no way for the family to properly mourn with a wake and funeral. Bad enough under normal circumstances but just magnified now.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Largest cluster outbreak in the United States. Still no stay at home order.
Running tally of places that have had Coronavirus cases since Smithfield workers started testing positive & then infecting the Sioux Falls community:
• O’Reilly Auto Parts in Minnesota Ave
• Freight company call center
• Lewis Drug Shoppe
• Walmart on Minnesota Ave
• the other Walmart on Veterans Ave
• Day Care in East 57th
• Carpentry shop
• Wells Fargo CC operations center
• Premier Bankcard office
• the local retirement community in Southeastern Ave
• the other retirement community just south of I-229
• Get N Go convenience stores
• homeless shelter on 50th
• Latino American grocery
Anybody have a subscription to the Argus Leader? It’s $5. The only place you can get independent reporting on the situation.
Governor Noem is in “constant contact” with the WH Coronavirus Task Force. No need to worry, this is under control. The main focus right now is making sure the Smithfield Pork Plant, which accounts for almost 20% of the bacon and ham in the U.S., gets back up and running soon.
Business owners, residents urge council to reject Mayor TenHaken's stay-at-home order
CDC to visit Smithfield Foods facility on Thursday
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
That's awful and heartbreaking, condolences to you, your family and their family. I'm on the island as well. Just wanted you to know a fellow LIer is grieving with you GB.
msommer
Footballguy
If your biz is essential, you should probably give some serious thought to how to assist your employees avoid contagion...
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't understand why I'm supposed to be mad at people for buying televisions. If I hadn't replaced our main-room tv this past Christmas, I damn sure would be doing so now.
Statorama
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Statorama
Footballguy
There were things that seemed weird 3 weeks ago that I just perform as rote now.
In fact, I'll be wiping down my grocery cart long after the Corona virus has been eradicated. I can't believe I wasn't doing it before.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Just as governments are making plans to "re-open", obviously so should all businesses. Contractors, wearing PPE. Restaurants, what do reservations, tables look like. Small shops, how do you provide adequate space for people to distance somewhat with markings on the floor, etc. Offices, what does desk spacing and mask requirements look like? Office buildings, what are the rules with elevators, how often are you cleaning door handles, buttons, etc.
Also, I hate to single out groups, but if you're over 60 what does that look like? Staying at home 99% like everyone is now is highly advisable.
If the idea is to not overrun hospital capacity, there should be ways to still do extensive mitigation and allow for functioning society, i.e. working, small business commerce, etc.
Large gatherings in stadiums, conventions, concerts etc. will still be a challenge until there's a vaccine those are probably done for now.
There are other considerations of course. But we can't just "open it back up" without full preparations by business. I won't even get into the testing, isolating and contact tracing here because that's been beaten to death already and governments on all levels need to get with the program on that.
Also, I hate to single out groups, but if you're over 60 what does that look like? Staying at home 99% like everyone is now is highly advisable.
If the idea is to not overrun hospital capacity, there should be ways to still do extensive mitigation and allow for functioning society, i.e. working, small business commerce, etc.
Large gatherings in stadiums, conventions, concerts etc. will still be a challenge until there's a vaccine those are probably done for now.
There are other considerations of course. But we can't just "open it back up" without full preparations by business. I won't even get into the testing, isolating and contact tracing here because that's been beaten to death already and governments on all levels need to get with the program on that.
Doug B
Footballguy
Nah, the moops is right. Large-screen TVs (especially in the ~50" ranges) are no longer extravagances, with many brands priced south of $300.
JAA
Footballguy
I don’t understand. Their own situation is benefited by listening to the economists.People who aren't collecting a paycheck don't care about economic studies. They are more concerned about their own situationI don’t understand why we are still discussing financials when all of the economic studies show that proper implementation of NPIs will help get the economy moving faster once we have flattened the curve.
There is no, none, zilch, ZERO, data supporting that reopening sooner is better for the economy. Why do these myths keep getting perpetuated? Do people believe they are smarter than our best economists?
Where is @adonis and his post about instincts?
JAA
Footballguy
Is this your speculation or experts opinion?
Im open to reading all of the information you have.
If you don’t have any data, is it reasonable to say that the bolded statement is simply your opinion and not fact as you wrote it?
beer 30
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I don't think it's political to say that the USA has never had a cohesive strategy. It appears that the governors have all made their own decisions. At first, they were probably made out of panic/fear/concern for the world and their citizens, without an end-goal in mind.
It appears that some governors are now making plans and setting goals for re-opening their states. I'd imagine their "goals" are different as well.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Seeing more and more weariness of this whole ordeal on my social media.
Stuff like this getting lots of traction:
It's tiresome. And somewhat worrisome.
Stuff like this getting lots of traction:
And as expected, the story from yesterday of "it came from a lab" getting traction because of misleading headlines and lots of "I told y'all!!!" when they didn't even read the actual article.
It's tiresome. And somewhat worrisome.
Clown Car
Footballguy
I never wiped them down before and may or may not in the future. But I always played the put your hands on the buggy and don’t touch your face until you get home and wash hands game because nobody ever cleaned carts (except the sunshine outside) and I know people handled chicken, beef, pork, etc and then the buggy again.
shader
Footballguy
While they would be essential, the outbreak there will spread to the community to other areas because at home orders haven’t been ordered. Sioux Falls is a hub of sorts for many rural communities in Eastern SD and Western Minnesota and Iowa. So the risk of spreading it to non-essential employees in surrounding communities are pretty high since no stay at home orders have been made. The rural hospitals aren’t prepared to handle any serge.
As someone mentioned, they offered employees a $500 bonus if they didn’t call in sick in April. I’m no longer in the area but have a lot of friends and family working in the health care systems there. I also know farmers who were strongly against shutting the plant down, so I’m seeing both sides of it. A high school classmate was on MSNBC yesterday talking about it.
beer 30
Footballguy
I, along with many in this thread, have said since the beginning, this war will be won at the local & state level. The Federal government can assist and if things get super bad, step in and probably go Marshall law but I've never had the feeling that was where this was going to go. Individual states had to make quick decisions, some chose to shut down early, some not but I never had the feeling that the Federal government was the one who was going to step up and tell who to do what.
Now as states beginning to consider opening up on a limited basis is not the time for the Fed's to step in and say no you can't. I think there are areas that makes sense to open up, others will have to remain closed until a vaccine comes along and a myriad of things in between. The Federal government has no idea what is best for Fort Mill, SC at the 10,000 foot level nor should they.
I'm a believer it came from a lab...via as animal to human interaction. It wasn't a manufactured bio weapon of mass destruction, it wasn't intentionally released to hurt a political party or country but I do believe it came out of the Wuhan lab and not the wet markets as China purports
Doug B
Footballguy
Americans, as a collective entity, just don't do thought. "Feel!" and "react!" ... but never "think!" or "reason!"
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
30K deaths is fun math? Oh and of course throw in it's a NYC problem too. Disgusting.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I agree. And that's exactly the discussion I had with a friend last night who posted the article from FoxNews saying "some of us knew this all along!!"I'm a believer it came from a lab...via as animal to human interaction. It wasn't a manufactured bio weapon of mass destruction, it wasn't intentionally released to hurt a political party or country but I do believe it came out of the Wuhan lab and not the wet markets as China purports
The context of the headline and the information within the article, didn't seem to matter. I honestly don't even think the guy read it. He was just going with the headline. His final comment was that it didn't matter to him if it was man-made or not. Umm, OK. Can't argue with that way of thinking, so I bowed out.
Pipes
Footballguy
Most people don't think that way. Meaning the average American doesn't listen to experts especially in regards to finances. If so they'd put more into their 401k, wouldn't rack up credit card debt, etc. When it comes to finances the average person is more of a short term paycheck to paycheck sort of thinking so when that dries up their focus is how are the bills going to get paid not what's the best long term solution for our economy.
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shader
Footballguy
Yeah it is possible for it to come from a lab and still be an accident. If you've ever read the Hot Zone, you know that once upon a time, the USA almost allowed a super dangerous strain of Ebola out. I'd hope labs around the world will learn from this and double down on their procedures.I agree. And that's exactly the discussion I had with a friend last night who posted the article from FoxNews saying "some of us knew this all along!!"
I take a different approach to things like stores and my car. I consider these areas as infected areas. I don't worry about sanitizer and assume i am infected when I leave. As long as I don't pick my nose, or rub my eyes, etc I don't care if I get "it" on my hands. I'll sanitize/wash/clean when I've left the infected area. Just saves me worrying about every little thing or place I come in contact with.
Likewise, I treat my home like a virus free oasis. If what goes in is "clean", then my house is clean.
I imagine the fact that I am single makes this possible at all and I'm sure there are flaws but I don't want to be worrying about every little thing in my car and wiping it down every day.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Can someone explain (in simple terms, because I'm a simpleton) the concept of these super spreader people. How is it that they infect so many people - is it just about the situation/logistics and not the individual or is there something special about this person that they can contaminate so many?
JShare87
Footballguy
I have a question. As people have shared how unlikely it will be for sports to resume, I started thinking about how can schools ever resume?
As an example, little Johnny in 1st grade tests positive for Corona. What happens next? His entire class has to quarantine. All the students on his bus have to quarantine. His teacher. The driver. The elective teachers. All other students and staff he came into contact with too. You’re talking about 25-100 people that are now what, quarantined for 2-3 weeks because one student tested positive.
Is the answer testing? If so, what does that look like? All those people will still have to be quarantined for a period of time, correct? Or do you just say “F it” and Johnny stays home for a few weeks while school resumes as normal? I just cannot fathom how schools can possibly operate. 1 sick human in a school will cause a huge problem. Or 1 sick human that contacted a kid in school.
Maybe I’m overthinking this?
As an example, little Johnny in 1st grade tests positive for Corona. What happens next? His entire class has to quarantine. All the students on his bus have to quarantine. His teacher. The driver. The elective teachers. All other students and staff he came into contact with too. You’re talking about 25-100 people that are now what, quarantined for 2-3 weeks because one student tested positive.
Is the answer testing? If so, what does that look like? All those people will still have to be quarantined for a period of time, correct? Or do you just say “F it” and Johnny stays home for a few weeks while school resumes as normal? I just cannot fathom how schools can possibly operate. 1 sick human in a school will cause a huge problem. Or 1 sick human that contacted a kid in school.
Maybe I’m overthinking this?
the moops
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I don’t think that means 1 person spread it to 100+ people, I think it means that 100+ people that don’t work at the slaughterhouse were infected by someone(s) that did work at the slaughterhouse.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I don't know the answer, but I've thought about it too. I think part of the rollout of "reopening" is going to have to be contingency plans for when outbreaks happen in things like schools, office buildings. Immediate testing (and immediate results, or at least hours and not days) and ongoing testing (to ensure no false negatives) and quarantines for infecteds would be required I'd think.
Close quarters and not taking proper precautions. One person spreads it to a few people. Those people spread it to a few people each. If everyone continues to come to work while sick 1 case becomes a dozen and a dozen becomes a hundred.
beer 30
Footballguy
It's really not a discussion if one party already has their mind made up. It's teaching a pig to sing at that point. All you're doing is wasting your time and pissing off the pig.I agree. And that's exactly the discussion I had with a friend last night who posted the article from FoxNews saying "some of us knew this all along!!"
Read a report yesterday or this morning about the US issuing a warning in 2018 about safety concerns with the lab. Occams razor?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
JAA
Footballguy
I believe this is the answer. MA is going to start intensive testing and contact tracing. Many believe this is the best way to manage outbreaks.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
December of what year?
This country isn't returning to normal by December of 2020. No way, no how.
eurotrashman
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
IMHO it's situation and in some cases obstinacy/institutional error in triage. The South Korean superspreader refused to be tested twice, in this case it could be the 500 bucks bonus for not calling in sick together with a triage only testing the worst cases
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
No you are not at all. CNN was running a story last night about how certain European countries are reopening slowly and they touted how "X" country has reopened its schools with distancing being enforced. They showed a school room with 1 kid per table--so there were literally 8-10 kids in the classroom. My wife who was a special education teacher and is now in administration, looked at me and said for that to work for the average US school, you would need a huge warehouse just to accommodate that type of spread--considering some classes have a 25-1 (some a lot higher) student/teacher ratio. There just is no way that is going to happen.
jamny
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Twitter is full of ignorant political tweets from both sides. I mean, it's Twitter. Not sure why we need to bring them in here though.
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