*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)

[shader]

I'd like to point to this post as a good talking point. 

For those who think they know more and can skirt the mask mandate or feel validated when you see others not wearing a mask or breaking the bigger one IMO, SOCIAL DISTANCING!!! How come it's always Mask/No Mask, how come people cannot stay 6 feet back? I almost went off on a guy who walked right by me, almost brushed up on me and again I am trying to just keep my cool when I am out and about. 

What if you did catch the CV-19, maybe felt nothing more than other flu/colds you conquered but this one...this one ends up doing something to your heart or lungs that won't be felt until you are a little later on in life...long term impact, would that get some folks attention? Would that potentially change what folks do now? 

It doesn't work well with smoking and alcohol warning people about later in life so my thinking would say it wouldn't however if it's true than everyone should be made aware about it. 

To be honest, as my state is worsening, I've been avoiding those situations.  Of course, I have it easier than many as I can work from home.  When I do go out (we try to get groceries delivered as much as possible), I try to control the situation.  

If we eat out, we get it delivered.  If I want a coffee not from my house, I do drive-thru.   Might not be a bad idea for days where you're feeling down or frustrated, but then you might not be able to help it.  IT's a tough situation, MOP.  Sorry for what you're going through down there.

 

[The Commish]

Would love to hear any info you get on this, even though I'm sure you won't be able to share...

She tells me all kinds of stuff that flies right over my head.  If I felt like I could do it justice or provide the necessary context, I'd share, but I can't so I don't.  Last thing I need to do is post something in a poor, incomplete way to get 9000 questions I can't answer    I know to stay in my lane.  There's a link up further in this thread of a publication that's out (or going to be out?) that she's part of...she's pretty excited.

 

[shadyridr]

This is why my preconceived biases tell me that media thinks that scare stories about going back to school sell better than the actual news.

This isn't a back to school story. This was three women sharing close quarters every day. No kids. Just three women. 

What????? 

If CDC guidelines really say that it is ok for three teachers, one of which is severely ill already, to work in the same room every day and still go to work when sick, then I will eat my shoes. 

Yeah, its like the story of the Texas family that threw a surprise party and 18 family members got infected. They were infected by a person who had a slight cough he thought he got at work IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC IN WHICH THE MAIN SYMPTOM IS A COUGH. People are dumb. That's the bottom line.

 

[shadyridr]

I stumbled across him last week I think.  Very interesting, although much like some of the strong proponents of lockdown, I find his stridency a little off-putting.

I'll admit I find the "burnout" theory very intriguing.  PA has been pretty darn strict by anybody's standards - closed schools and locked down before NY, very early mask order with high compliance.  And yet, I've been watching cases and deaths in PA, NJ, and NY and while PA is doing well NY and NJ have dropped at a much faster rate.  I find the prevailing narrative that those states just took it much more seriously than PA to be suspect.  At the risk of straying into anecdotes, the first weekend PA locked down I went for a run and pretty much the only cars I saw on the road had NY and NJ plates (we get a lot of people from both in Eastern PA).  A few weeks later I was at a local park and a guy from the Jersey shore (!) on a bike was asking if there was an Applebee's around?!?  To me, the idea that NY and NJ are dropping so fast precisely because so much of their population has already been exposed has a lot of plausibility.  The fact that as far as I can tell places spiking now are pretty much exclusively places that have been hit relatively lightly thus far is also suggestive.  Why "burnout" would happen at 15-20% rather than 80% would have to be explained by people more knowledgeable than me.

Part of me thinks every region has to go through that first painful curve. So far it seems to be true.

 

[The Commish]

I'd like to point to this post as a good talking point. 

For those who think they know more and can skirt the mask mandate or feel validated when you see others not wearing a mask or breaking the bigger one IMO, SOCIAL DISTANCING!!! How come it's always Mask/No Mask, how come people cannot stay 6 feet back? I almost went off on a guy who walked right by me, almost brushed up on me and again I am trying to just keep my cool when I am out and about. 

What if you did catch the CV-19, maybe felt nothing more than other flu/colds you conquered but this one...this one ends up doing something to your heart or lungs that won't be felt until you are a little later on in life...long term impact, would that get some folks attention? Would that potentially change what folks do now? 

It doesn't work well with smoking and alcohol warning people about later in life so my thinking would say it wouldn't however if it's true than everyone should be made aware about it. 

I feel like it comes back to masks because we aren't doing the other things if I'm being honest.  Distancing reduces chances to like 10%, distancing with a mask down under 1%.  All I can do is try and offer the perspective that it's incredibly short sighted to focus only on deaths.  To be fair, most of the people focused on deaths seem to be driven mainly by their politics, so I take that nonsense with a grain of salt.  I certainly don't think they are going to change their minds, ever.  People are too invested in being "right"...less concerned with being helpful IMO.

 

[shader]

Part of me thinks every region has to go through that first painful curve. So far it seems to be true.

Definitely not true

 

[Ministry of Pain]

To be honest, as my state is worsening, I've been avoiding those situations.  Of course, I have it easier than many as I can work from home.  When I do go out (we try to get groceries delivered as much as possible), I try to control the situation.  

If we eat out, we get it delivered.  If I want a coffee not from my house, I do drive-thru.   Might not be a bad idea for days where you're feeling down or frustrated, but then you might not be able to help it.  IT's a tough situation, MOP.  Sorry for what you're going through down there.

You're right gb, the problem Shader and so many of us are going thru this, working from home and sharing a desk with my wife who is also HOME right now and crawling up MOP's you know what with new home projects and things I never knew needed to be done, she is literally painting the walls Owl Grey(BenjiMoore) in our living room as I am typing this. I wake up at 5:30 am and hit the computer, it's nice because I get a lot of work done before 8:30 in the morning but everything has its limits. 

-So when i leave the house I don't want to just drive thru, I want to try and stretch for a minute and pretend to disconnect...quite frankly home is a controlled environment, the public/outside world is scary right now. I'm looking for the Pub that isn't there or isn't open right now, does that make any sense? Like a ship that cannot find a safe port...

 

[Dr_Zaius]

You're right gb, the problem Shader and so many of us are going thru this, working from home and sharing a desk with my wife who is also HOME right now and crawling up MOP's you know what with new home projects and things I never knew needed to be done, she is literally painting the walls Owl Grey(BenjiMoore) in our living room as I am typing this. I wake up at 5:30 am and hit the computer, it's nice because I get a lot of work done before 8:30 in the morning but everything has its limits. 

-So when i leave the house I don't want to just drive thru, I want to try and stretch for a minute and pretend to disconnect...quite frankly home is a controlled environment, the public/outside world is scary right now. I'm looking for the Pub that isn't there or isn't open right now, does that make any sense? Like a ship that cannot find a safe port...

It's only when she starts painting the walls Dorian Gray that you really have to worry...

Hear you on the difficulty of staying distraction free at home though.  I'll have people randomly barge in and start talking to me while I'm in a meeting.  Fortunately I keep my mic muted most of the time.

 

[DallasDMac]

I think anyone going to any indoor event where the attendees is measured in HUNDREDS is insane. And being bullied in to it is unimaginable. I mean, honestly, grow a spine. I can't imagine risking my health because I'm afraid someone will get mad.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

You're right gb, the problem Shader and so many of us are going thru this, working from home and sharing a desk with my wife who is also HOME right now and crawling up MOP's you know what with new home projects and things I never knew needed to be done, she is literally painting the walls Owl Grey(BenjiMoore) in our living room as I am typing this. I wake up at 5:30 am and hit the computer, it's nice because I get a lot of work done before 8:30 in the morning but everything has its limits. 

-So when i leave the house I don't want to just drive thru, I want to try and stretch for a minute and pretend to disconnect...quite frankly home is a controlled environment, the public/outside world is scary right now. I'm looking for the Pub that isn't there or isn't open right now, does that make any sense? Like a ship that cannot find a safe port...

I'm imagining how much different the story would be if MOP were the protagonist in A Clean, Well-lighted Place

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's only when she starts painting the walls Dorian Gray that you really have to worry...

Hear you on the difficulty of staying distraction free at home though.  I'll have people randomly barge in and start talking to me while I'm in a meeting.  Fortunately I keep my mic muted most of the time.

She painted the kitchen Banana Yellow, 3 coats, it almost smells like bananas when you enter the kitchen. 

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Part of me thinks every region has to go through that first painful curve. So far it seems to be true.

Definitely not true

It seems the regions don't have to go through the first painful curve, because they could learn from others.

But, the point seems to be they will not learn from others. Therefore it is inevitable they will go through the painful curve, even though it could be avoided. They basically choose to do this.

 

[JaxBill]

Yeah...this has been a concern all along and what that crazy lady brought up as a possibility some time back.  The theory was they'd be "inflating" numbers in the chaos, so that as things got really bad, they could start reporting closer to real results making it appear as if things were going down.  I thought people were full of it when suggesting that, but I guess maybe not?  I think the only question now is "who?" is responsible.  Are these sites doing this or the people loading the systems?  They have a weekly segment on my local CBS affiliate about this...will have to pay closer attention to that segment this week.

Personally and this is just my guess is that the positives are really positive and they're not inflating the number.  Rather they're not reporting thr negatives and that's skewing the percent. Most of the high positive labs are smaller to medium labs. Either the labs are not reporting the negatives or the state isn't picking up the negatives.

State publishes a lengthy list of cumulative lab results on their daily  pdf.

You have a small lab reporting 405 positives and 0 negatives for 100 percent. Were there 3000 negatives they didn't report? (There are roughly a dozen smaller labs at 100%)You can go up to the medium size labs where there are multiple that have several thousand positives running at over 20%. Are those numbers right?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Florida Death Count...

Mon 35

Tue 132...bit of a spike there.

 

[shadyridr]

It seems the regions don't have to go through the first painful curve, because they could learn from others.

But, the point seems to be they will not learn from others. Therefore it is inevitable they will go through the painful curve, even though it could be avoided. They basically choose to do this.

I think of it more as a psychological thing. Until you go through the pain of the initial curve people in that region are not going to take it seriously. So the early lockdowns in FL were kind of pointless/ignored. A lockdown NOW would be much more effective as the people in that region are starting to see the pain first hand. People in those regions will only start taking things seriously now. Just my two cents.

 

[shadyridr]

Florida Death Count...

Mon 35

Tue 132...bit of a spike there.

Its a reporting thing. Most deaths aren't reported over the weekend/Monday so there is a usual spike in deaths on Tuesdays. Goes on everywhere.

 

[jplvr]

Time for your South Florida/Palm Beach Update from your fearless in the field reporter...so I went to my usual coffee shop today, I have been a very infrequent guest thru the CV-19, didn't walk in at all in late March/Apr/May and then in June I started to come out of my shell more and things were touch and go but after what I saw today, I simply want to describe and share so you can have the information and things become clearer about how things work down here. 

-I walk in, nobody inside sitting down, all the workers(cashier-barrister-chef in back) all had masks. MOP had his mask on as well. I ordered and then sat down on a stool to wait for my breakfast wrap and I started sipping on a cup of coffee while I sat but had my mask almost all the way on, I slipped it back up all the way as I heard the door open and turned to find a Late 50s/early 60s man NO MASK walks right up to counter and orders, wearing a company shirt and that's kind of dangerous if you are going to break the Mask Mandate(Is is a Law?) and I wanted to say something like "I guess you must have already had it" but I am trying not to argue with people and just worry about myself when I am in public. 

-Next 2 people thru the door, Dad/Daughter both masked, a lot of people suddenly popped in the door once I walked in, they really should pay me to sit in there and drink coffee. 

-Next 2 people thru the door, Construction Dudes or blue collar or whatever but they had NO MASK and just waited to put their order in and nobody was going to tell them differently until...

-Next 2 people were an openly gay female couple and they were masked and they were furious with these two men and then also the fellow who was sitting down at a table not socially distancing himself from anyone and you can see what is about to happen or coming a mile away...Countown t-minus 10 seconds, all systems clear for liftoff...

-The owner, Mr Tom walks out and has NO MASK and has been pretty open and clear that they can come arrest him anytime they please. The town this sits in has their own police department, I know every single one of those police officers and there aren't that many of them, probably less than 10-15 for the town and he's right, I doubt that any one of them would pull in and start writing citations in his coffee shop, everyone loves this place, it's a shame what has happened has happened BUT...

How can you do the right thing as a citizen? I wear a mask for INDOOR situations like the one I was in this morning, I go to the grocery store, I grab a slice of pizza-takeout but I am not sitting around sipping a lot of drinks at Bar/Grilles that are skirting the rules IMHO by serving very loosely defined food when they make most of their money with their bar. OK, so they bring the drinks to the tables now, still a lot of folks can gather indoors and we are in the middle of every 1:3, 1:4 people testing positive right now. 

I don't have any answers either, I'm not sure who does. All elected officials are moving in different directions and the people on the ground are left to sort this mess out. It's not fair and I know life is not fair but this just seems poorly thought out around my area. Help?

Nothing anyone can do, I try not to think about it long, try not to hang out on the forums all day and get out and get fresh air and be there for as many people as I can trying to be understanding and just see where I can help direct people but it's getting more and more difficult, everyone has their breaking point and I guess I hit mine this past Saturday. I haven't shared it Otis' Diet thread and probably for good reason but I had a meltdown on another Tennis player that I let get under my skin and I embarrassed myself by going FULL BOAR OLD SCHOOL MOP on this person, now he had it coming and it was building over a month since I returned to the Courts but that doesn't matter, I am angry with myself. I got this guy so angry and pissed off he felt the need to inform me that he was so rich he retired at the age of 50! Well I'm 46 and this didn't end well, I'm lucky it was 7:30am and there just wasn't anyone around from the Tennis Center to see or hear it. 

Stress levels not good right now, know better than to mingle with folks, best to stay indoors or around my neighborhood when I'm exercising and just stay focused on myself, that was working miracles in April and May, perhaps I was doing it so well because I thought it was temporary...didn't realize all of 2020 was going to be like this. 

Sorry everyone, not my best day but I try to keep it real with all of you. 

I don't think I saw anyone without a mask in Pensacola just now, at least not indoors. Fresh Market and Publix were my stops.

I've had a scratchy throat since Thursday, but it has been off and on. Got falling down drunk on Saturday after my buddy broke out the liquor on the boat, so I'm guessing my current issues are stemming from that. No other symptoms.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

I think of it more as a psychological thing. Until you go through the pain of the initial curve people in that region are not going to take it seriously. So the early lockdowns in FL were kind of pointless/ignored. A lockdown NOW would be much more effective as the people in that region are starting to see the pain first hand. People in those regions will only start taking things seriously now. Just my two cents.

Yes, agreed. The psychology is "it's someone else's problem somewhere else". Until it isn't. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't think I saw anyone without a mask in Pensacola just now, at least not indoors. Fresh Market and Publix were my stops.

I've had a scratchy throat since Thursday, but it has been off and on. Got falling down drunk on Saturday after my buddy broke out the liquor on the boat, so I'm guessing my current issues are stemming from that. No other symptoms.

Mrs and her Mom in Panhandle around Father's Day and it was Wild Wild West in the Fort Walton Beach area and so on. Glad to hear they are taking it a little more seriously. 

Hope you didn't catch it friend.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Inside.  Our area has low cases and everyone thinks it is all blown out of proportion.  My sister-in-law is in denial and doesn't want to hear about what could happen.  She just says "the hall is letting us have it".  My niece has problems with depression and we think she is border line bi-polar so if we don't go who knows what would happen.

understood. That is a tough spot. Good Luck!

 

[shader]

Its a reporting thing. Most deaths aren't reported over the weekend/Monday so there is a usual spike in deaths on Tuesdays. Goes on everywhere.

It's not a "reporting thing". It's still a record high.  Last Tuesday they reported 63, so it's quite a spike from week over week numbers.  

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Its a reporting thing. Most deaths aren't reported over the weekend/Monday so there is a usual spike in deaths on Tuesdays. Goes on everywhere.

Are you pulling my leg? If not what are you pulling on...j/k

I heard that was the highest 1 day death toll in Florida but what you said makes sense. 

 

[Biff84]

Definitely not true

Doesn’t have to be true but it likely will be. A state that has done well is in good position to avoid an outbreak if they continue taking it seriously with precautions. The problem is that every place that does well also gives up on the precautions until an outbreak happens.

South Dakota is a good example. They have all the elements that help avoid an outbreak and have done fairly well outside of the meat packing plant problem. Right now very few people that I know are continuing to take it seriously even the ones in health care. It’s all great now but in a couple weeks the Sturgis motorcycle rally happens. Freedom seeking bikers from all over the country are going to crowd into a small town and I doubt many masks will be worn. When they leave, the virus will stay just in time for school to open up. They don’t need to have an outbreak but they sure seem like they are asking for it.

 

[shadyridr]

It's not a "reporting thing". It's still a record high.  Last Tuesday they reported 63, so it's quite a spike from week over week numbers.  

So you are telling me all those deaths happened Monday?

 

[shader]

So you are telling me all those deaths happened Monday?

no, but that's not what we were talking about

 

[shadyridr]

no, but that's not what we were talking about

 

 

[the rover]

So you are telling me all those deaths happened Monday?

132 is more than double 63.  Since they’re both Tuesday numbers, your theory that it’s a reporting issue fails.  No matter how hard you try to spin it, double the deaths is a spike.  

 

[shadyridr]

Florida Death Count...

Mon 35

Tue 132...bit of a spike there.

no, but that's not what we were talking about

132 is more than double 63.  Since they’re both Tuesday numbers, your theory that it’s a reporting issue fails.  No matter how hard you try to spin it, double the deaths is a spike.  

Too bad I was responding to MOPs post in which he was comparing Tuesday #s to Monday #s but nice try.

 

[shader]

Too bad I was responding to MOPs post in which he was comparing Tuesday #s to Monday #s but nice try.

It's a terrible day of numbers, there's no way to spin it otherwise. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yeah, its like the story of the Texas family that threw a surprise party and 18 family members got infected. They were infected by a person who had a slight cough he thought he got at work IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC IN WHICH THE MAIN SYMPTOM IS A COUGH. People are dumb. That's the bottom line.

This teacher was likely the index case for this group of three so hopefully the other two are ok. 

 

[shadyridr]

It's a terrible day of numbers, there's no way to spin it otherwise. 

And you assume I was trying to spin them.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Milwaukee unanimously passes mask ordinance. 

 

[culdeus]

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-daily-new-covid-19-hospitalizations/

Houston seemingly maintaining it's downtrend.  The peak day rolls off the 7 day tomorrow.  Need a huge up day today or the 7 day turns negative bigly.  

 

[The Commish]

Personally and this is just my guess is that the positives are really positive and they're not inflating the number.  Rather they're not reporting thr negatives and that's skewing the percent. Most of the high positive labs are smaller to medium labs. Either the labs are not reporting the negatives or the state isn't picking up the negatives.

State publishes a lengthy list of cumulative lab results on their daily  pdf.

You have a small lab reporting 405 positives and 0 negatives for 100 percent. Were there 3000 negatives they didn't report? (There are roughly a dozen smaller labs at 100%)You can go up to the medium size labs where there are multiple that have several thousand positives running at over 20%. Are those numbers right?

Yeah, don't know.  I started looking a bit at it earlier and saw the small lab errors and wonder what real impact that is having on the state number that people focus on all the time.  I can't think it's a major skew, but it needs to be looked at closer.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Thanks. I've heard that same on ICU beds. But then also have friends posting this on ICU beds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/

Do you know which is correct?

It looks like our overall per capita beds is low, but ICU per capita is high. Some of this may relate to the definition of an ICU bed based on staffing rather than technological capabilities. If those numbers are correct, over 1 in 10 beds in the US are appropriate for ICU care, which seems high for every hospital I’ve worked in.

Although I think those numbers in part reflect creative bookkeeping, I’ll change my post to ensure it’s accuracy. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy.

 

[Biff84]

It’s tough to focus on raw numbers because they are so delayed in reporting and very dependent on testing and turnaround times.

I don’t know if other states do the same but Arizona also posts epi numbers/curves that show the actual date the positive test was taken or when the death occurred rather than when it was reported.

For example today AZ reported 92 deaths, 23 are from death certificate matching. Those deaths happened:

Within 7 days: 54

8-14 days: 32

15+ days: 11 

(I realize it doesn’t add up, I’m using info from the data expert I follow)

Some would chose to use this information to downplay the numbers from today but the reality is that we don’t have an accurate picture of how many deaths we had yesterday or this weekend. And probably won’t for a couple weeks.

The new high for epi deaths in AZ is 53 deaths which happened on 5/23 and 5/30. Numbers and trends look much different once the data is fully back filled.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

It’s tough to focus on raw numbers because they are so delayed in reporting and very dependent on testing and turnaround times.

I don’t know if other states do the same but Arizona also posts epi numbers/curves that show the actual date the positive test was taken or when the death occurred rather than when it was reported.

For example today AZ reported 92 deaths, 23 are from death certificate matching. Those deaths happened:

Within 7 days: 54

8-14 days: 32

15+ days: 11 

(I realize it doesn’t add up, I’m using info from the data expert I follow)

Some would chose to use this information to downplay the numbers from today but the reality is that we don’t have an accurate picture of how many deaths we had yesterday or this weekend. And probably won’t for a couple weeks.

The new high for epi deaths in AZ is 53 deaths which happened on 5/23 and 5/30. Numbers and trends look much different once the data is fully back filled.

Do you happen to have a link for a good AZ data source? Based on the discussion it's apparently difficult for some states to keep their reporting straight.

Here's a good one for NY

 

[shader]

It’s tough to focus on raw numbers because they are so delayed in reporting and very dependent on testing and turnaround times.

I don’t know if other states do the same but Arizona also posts epi numbers/curves that show the actual date the positive test was taken or when the death occurred rather than when it was reported.

For example today AZ reported 92 deaths, 23 are from death certificate matching. Those deaths happened:

Within 7 days: 54

8-14 days: 32

15+ days: 11 

(I realize it doesn’t add up, I’m using info from the data expert I follow)

Some would chose to use this information to downplay the numbers from today but the reality is that we don’t have an accurate picture of how many deaths we had yesterday or this weekend. And probably won’t for a couple weeks.

The new high for epi deaths in AZ is 53 deaths which happened on 5/23 and 5/30. Numbers and trends look much different once the data is fully back filled.

Yep.  We know the raw numbers aren't accurate for the day they are reported, but we can only work with the numbers we have.

Didn't someone post on here yesterday that the obituaries in Houston were massive?  I'd imagine obituaries would be within a couple days of death, happening before the state reports the numbers.

 

[The Commish]

Doesn’t have to be true but it likely will be. A state that has done well is in good position to avoid an outbreak if they continue taking it seriously with precautions. The problem is that every place that does well also gives up on the precautions until an outbreak happens.

South Dakota is a good example. They have all the elements that help avoid an outbreak and have done fairly well outside of the meat packing plant problem. Right now very few people that I know are continuing to take it seriously even the ones in health care. It’s all great now but in a couple weeks the Sturgis motorcycle rally happens. Freedom seeking bikers from all over the country are going to crowd into a small town and I doubt many masks will be worn. When they leave, the virus will stay just in time for school to open up. They don’t need to have an outbreak but they sure seem like they are asking for it.

They're still having that?  That's almost as dumb as inviting the entire NBA and MLS to your city....almost!

 

[shader]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

 

[parasaurolophus]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

Its like role reversal from earlier when going to a florida beach was the super spreading event of all events.

 

[belljr]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

Lmao... I can't speak for all northerners but we don't go south for the summer outside maybe myrtle and outer banks.

 

[Biff84]

Do you happen to have a link for a good AZ data source? Based on the discussion it's apparently difficult for some states to keep their reporting straight.

Here's a good one for NY

https://mobile.twitter.com/Garrett_Archer
 

He’s the main person I follow daily. He gets all his data from the state website that post every morning around 8:30 AZ time. Their website doesn’t work well with my phone, so I find his organization of the data and graphs to be highly effective. There’s also several others that analyze the AZ data and he’s pretty good at retweeting them.

 

[The Commish]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  People have to be out and about to infect each other right?  He doesn't think that the opening up didn't bring a bunch of people out that had been cooped up for months so that they could then be infected?  It's a circular argument at best...completely dumb and ill-thought out at worst.  And this completely ignores the reality (at least for Florida) that northerners are mostly here during the winter, not the summer...

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

They should label these as contributing factors. It's unlikely to ever be able to point to one thing definitively as "the trigger". Travel between states, travel in general really, can be a spreading event. 

 

[eoMMan]

Someone on the radio made a good point and said that if you take multiple tests and are positive multiple times, you are counted as multiple positive cases. 

I can't verify this but if this is true, the actual positive number could be quite a bit less.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Anybody ever look at this site for nationwide hospitalization trends?

 

[Biff84]

They're still having that?  That's almost as dumb as inviting the entire NBA and MLS to your city....almost!

I’d say it’s worse. Sturgis isn’t a city built to handle all those people with any sort of distancing or precautions. The rally supports the city and many others for the entire year. Cancel it and there will be huge budget issues. Sadly they’re gonna roll with it and hope for the best. I can’t imagine it’s gonna go well.

 

[belljr]

Someone on the radio made a good point and said that if you take multiple tests and are positive multiple times, you are counted as multiple positive cases. 

I can't verify this but if this is true, the actual positive number could be quite a bit less.

I'm not trying to argue here just how many people are retaking a positive test in general?

 

[Flying Elvis]

Pretty pathetic from the CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc-chief-says-northerners-heading-south-for-vacation-may-be-to-blame-for-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-not-state-reopenings.html

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