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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (14 Viewers)
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Some amazing stuff there. Thinking beyond the tired doom and gloom and putting plans into action. Let's see if Slovakia can prove the worth of this effort.
the rover
Footballguy
It seems viable, but I don't know if it would work in the US. I just don't think our population is that compliant, even if it's for our own good. Plus the difference in scale between 5.5 million and 325 million is pretty enormous.
The problem likely would be getting people to do it. The same people who don’t believe in masks or social distancing won’t do this either. But really this should be something that’s done ASAP. Send it to homes, send it to businesses and schools. Test yourself at home or when you come into work. High risk events or businesses - test before entrance. Add to the screening for flying, etc.
the rover
Footballguy
The positive thing is you don't need everyone to do it. If you just have the people that do believe in masks and social distancing, it would significantly slow the spread.
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nirad3
Footballguy
Same here. We were supposed to move into our next "phase" January 1, but they've pushed it back to June 1.coopersdad said:Just got email from corporate..................WFH until "AT LEAST" June 2021.
We are still in a "phase" where we have limited folks working at the office on specific days. Social distancing, break room closed, masks worn when you are in common areas or at someone else's workspace, etc.
I go in 1-2 days a week just to get a break from having to work in my cramped home office. I also work from my parents' place once a week just to put my nose down and work through emails at a frantic pace to catch up.
worrierking
Footballguy
Derek Lowe on the state of vaccines and the rollout. As always, he is exceptionally informative and scientific.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/18/vaccine-possibilities
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/18/vaccine-possibilities
People in midwestern states get in a tizzy about restrictions when we have positivity rates of 15% or more (IA is over 50% per John Hopkins!!!), and NY sits at 3%. Wow.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Agreed. More importantly, who is going push for such a strategy at a national level?
It would be great if one of the more science-friendly states implemented a plan like Slovakia. But I have a feeling Americans are too stupid, selfish and stubborn for it to work.
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the rover
Footballguy
Washington, Oregon, California and Nevada have been making decisions jointly. If the west coast did it and it worked, it might be enough to push other states.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Pittsburgh with stay-at-home advisory.
Philly shutting down indoor dining, gyms, and museums and limited outdoor dining to 4-people at a table all from the same household.
Philly shutting down indoor dining, gyms, and museums and limited outdoor dining to 4-people at a table all from the same household.
dgreen
Footballguy
Saw this yesterday. Has it been posted and discussed yet? Seems promising: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1328896301769969667
the rover
Footballguy
All gyms were shut down here, but there are a lot of stories in the news about gym owners who are refusing to comply because they say they will go out of business, so until they're fined out of business they'll keep operating.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Early on, the common wisdom about non-N95 masks was exactly as stated - they are better for source control (protecting others) than protecting the person wearing the mask. There also were theoretical concerns about masks promoting risky behavior and face-touching, as well as the idea that many people would wear them incorrectly. And yes, the CDC et al. didn’t want the public hoarding PPE, which could potentially be used for healthcare workers, when the average covid exposure risk for the general public at the time was low.IvanKaramazov said:
To my knowledge, there was no good research validating the utility of cloth masks, except possibly extreme resource limited settings.
While certainly some policy errors were made, a lot has changed since the beginning of the pandemic. There’s now data supporting universal masking, including home-sewn cloth varieties. We also have a better idea that masks protect the user in addition to other people, even if a smattering of individuals can’t figure out how to keep them on. And we have a lot more PPE for healthcare workers and first responders, though local shortages still occur. Most importantly, covid is far more prevalent just about everywhere.
Mistakes have been acknowledged, and we’ve moved on to more consistent messaging based on the state of the science. I really don’t understand what else people need to look past the errors and start trusting public health authorities again. It’s almost as if some people are looking for an excuse to avoid changing their daily routine, and fuel the flames of the pandemic’s politicization.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Along with this, the thinking early on was that it was primarily driven by direct contact transmission (fomites). The pattern of infection didn't initially seem to fit with it being airborne since we weren't seeing huge clusters. Thus, masks didn't seem to be as important in blocking transmission. Early on, the idea was to not touch anything in public, wipe everything down, don't touch your face, etc.
That has clearly shifted as it's now clear that's a relatively low transmission method.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yeah I won’t do that. Fortunately we’ve been saving cash all summer so will be fine but it’s frustrating when you’re a very small business and get lumped in with huge big box health clubs I guarantee you our studio hasn’t caused a single outbreak I’ve got 100 clients in each location. Total, not a single time but total. Our capacity is less than a barbershop
The national franchise company that we are affiliated with is launching digital in-home coaching next week so this time around I won’t go without revenue from clients.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I like your optimism. Wonder if there’s any way for the average citizen to advocate for such a program? Writing members of Congress and petitions might help?
The Commish
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
But how accurate are they? I thought the quick tests were all pretty bad. All we need are people getting one of these, getting a false negative, then being all "I dont need to wear a mask! I tested negative!"
the rover
Footballguy
If you text RAPID GOV and RAPID CONGRESS to 50409 it sends a letter advocating for this program to your state representatives and governor.
There's also a site for volunteering to advocate for expanded rapid testing under the described program:
rapidtests.org
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RnR
Footballguy
Unfortunately, it was for some time. That seemed to ease a bit as the first wave dropped, but I've noticed it becoming a topic of discussion again with the numbers back up.
ETA: Typically, they're all packaged together with the dreaded "potential super spreader event" label.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
If it catches 95% of the true positives and pulls them out of circulation, then it might be OK.
The Commish
Footballguy
I guess it's tough to discern having not seen them, but large groups of people together like that are all potential superspreader events regardless of whether you're wearing a mask or not. Wearing the masks helps, but it's much better to simply stay away. I have no problem labeling large gatherings like that as potential superspreader events though. I am unfamiliar with this "first wave" stuff too. People believe that we hit the "top" of the "first wave", got things under control and now we are doing it again? Best I can tell, we've not finished the "first wave" as a country
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False positives are no big deal, but even 5% false negatives might be a problem. I suspect these will be used by people to justify gatherings.
RnR
Footballguy
OK. Thanks for the lecture. I was just answering your question: Many outlets are selectively using the term when it fits what they deem appropriate. And it mixes the message for some people and stirs up cynicism about the overall messaging.I guess it's tough to discern having not seen them, but large groups of people together like that are all potential superspreader events regardless of whether you're wearing a mask or not. Wearing the masks helps, but it's much better to simply stay away. I have no problem labeling large gatherings like that as potential superspreader events though. I am unfamiliar with this "first wave" stuff too. People believe that we hit the "top" of the "first wave", got things under control and now we are doing it again? Best I can tell, we've not finished the "first wave" as a country
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Part of the reason why we're in this situation is because people would rather do nothing than do something that's merely "pretty good." Quick and dirty at-home tests aren't perfect, but they should have been part of our anti-covid strategy from the beginning, like masks.
The Commish
Footballguy
Lecture?Just pointing out that this is a rather simple concept to grasp. Stay away from each other, wear a mask when around others and wash your hands. There should be no "confusion" about that. Now...this part coming IS a lecture....anyone slurping up what our media is spitting out is part of the problem and this seems to be a pretty good example of that. Anyone allowing themselves to be "confused" over a simple concept like this by listening to the media has issues IMO. I'm quite baffled by anyone bothering to ever turn on the MSM in this country.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Sure, those false negatives would contribute to the spread, but that would be overshadowed by the number of infectious people out of circulation. That presumes (a) people would comply with frequent, rapid tests, and (b) people who test positive will actually adhere to strict quarantine during their infectious period. Both daunting prospects for a population that is resistant to changing anything about their lives despite the considerable illness / death and damage to the economy.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
RnR
Footballguy
OK, thanks. Have a nice day, sir.
Just pointing out that this is a rather simple concept to grasp. Stay away from each other, wear a mask when around others and wash your hands. There should be no "confusion" about that. Now...this part coming IS a lecture....anyone slurping up what our media is spitting out is part of the problem and this seems to be a pretty good example of that. Anyone allowing themselves to be "confused" over a simple concept like this by listening to the media has issues IMO. I'm quite baffled by anyone bothering to ever turn on the MSM in this country.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
False negatives are unfortunate, but imagine we had a system in place where you take a cheap and easy covid test every day before work. Positive = stay at home, negative = go to work as you do now. This would be an unambiguous improvement over the status quo.
False positives would be a little annoying and result in some unnecessary WFH, but that's a trivial price to pay compared to shutting everything down or letting a bunch of people get sick and die.
False negatives are bad because they would result in asymptomatic people showing up for work and spreading the virus. But those people all show up work for now, and a 5% false negative rate reduces the number of those folks in our offices by 95%. That's fantastic!
Edit: What Z Machine just said.
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I agree with the first sentence, but the second sentence may not follow. As I understand it, the original rapid tests were the practical equivalent of flipping a coin, and as such, were not "pretty good". With regard to the "quick and dirty at-home tests", I think there is a legitimate question regarding whether they are, in fact, "pretty good". Unfortunately, most laypeople aren't properly trained to know.
culdeus
Footballguy
There was a genuine concern at the beginning about being able to supply things like reagents in sufficient qty. to test everyone weekly.
I'm not sure those are completely fixed yet. Though the studies tend to indicate even a 60% accurate test taken weekly would tend to wipe out all but tiny pockets of the virus in a few months.
Peak
Footballguy
Dewine (Gov-OH) is supposed to announce tonight his plans for Restaurants, Bars, and Gyms. I'm going to assume that everything will be shut down again with the numbers spiking.
I think once the kids go on winter break around Xmas, they may not be going back to school in the new year. I think the chances are good that the DeWine will try to enforce remote learning again for a few months to start 2021.
I think once the kids go on winter break around Xmas, they may not be going back to school in the new year. I think the chances are good that the DeWine will try to enforce remote learning again for a few months to start 2021.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Asian countries managed this somehow. I'm growing weary of the constant excuse-making for our poor handling of this pandemic during the spring.
culdeus
Footballguy
They had capability from the SARS/MERS breakouts on hand to ramp quickly.
Our attitude was it doesn't kill enough people to warrant that level of investment, that changed to this doesn't kill enough people to warrant shutting down the economy/schools. At times you get a few "but it's not accurate enough" tropes, or even the intellectually dishonest "Gain adjusted case error" people that seemingly nobody here seemed to ever find. Both of these used to discredit testing as the solution.
The time we should have been ramping reagent production we were letting Jared buy up huge quantities of HCQ, sold on junk science that we could solve this with treatment, not prevention.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Not necessary. Here's how I read this exchange:
"We should have done widespread testing much earlier."
"We couldn't -- we didn't enough reagents stockpiled."
"Other countries managed it. We should have been able to manage it too."
"But we didn't take covid as seriously as they did."
"Yeah, and . . . ?"
Where are you seeing this? I thought he worked with the restaurant association on the curfew so they would not shut down. There will be a lot less restaurants when this is over if he shuts them down again.
culdeus
Footballguy
I'm not 100% convinced we had the infrastructure to roll out weekly testing by April even with max effort. That being said, there was seemingly a concerted effort to not try until perhaps June when it seemed like case counts were dropping.
Peak
Footballguy
He said this last Wednesday.
His approach was if the numbers don't stop increasing, this is where he will head. Following this tweet, I saw local restaurants move away from social distancing inside. All tables were used. One place was packed with about 15 people waiting in a small circle by the waitress. It was as if nothing ever happened.
I have not seen/heard any of Ohio's numbers going down, so I'm curious as to how he is going to approach today's PC given this threat he laid out last week.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Witz
Footballguy
Interesting statement from a county Sheriff’s office in PA -
https://co.lancaster.pa.us/160/Sheriffs-Office?fbclid=IwAR12rAVe3DPZzqy3cLYrh_ZHgmXtKpEx_lUIL1cahk9JRgJ5sUtVWFd6AIk
STATEMENT
Our hearts and prayers are with those who have suffered the loss of someone due to the Covid-19 virus. Likewise, our hearts and prayers go out to those who have suffered financially from the quarantine orders. When taking a drastic step such as a quarantine, there must be a balance between public safety, as directed by the government, and the rights of the people. An action of the government, such as a quarantine, that takes decision making away from the individual, should be extremely rare and limited.
Our United States Constitution, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, recognize individual freedom and liberties, and weigh heavily in favor of the rights of the individual citizen. In recognition of this, our Office will stand in defense of the individual rights of all citizens. Our Office will not be enforcing any edicts from the Governor’s Office as it relates to the Covid -19 pandemic. We are a government for the people, by the people.
We believe that each person should exercise and bear personal responsibility in the best interests of themselves, their families, friends, and employees, and it is they, not the centralized government, who should make those decisions. May God Bless the United States of America, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and each one of you.
Sheriff Chris Leppler
https://co.lancaster.pa.us/160/Sheriffs-Office?fbclid=IwAR12rAVe3DPZzqy3cLYrh_ZHgmXtKpEx_lUIL1cahk9JRgJ5sUtVWFd6AIk
STATEMENT
Our hearts and prayers are with those who have suffered the loss of someone due to the Covid-19 virus. Likewise, our hearts and prayers go out to those who have suffered financially from the quarantine orders. When taking a drastic step such as a quarantine, there must be a balance between public safety, as directed by the government, and the rights of the people. An action of the government, such as a quarantine, that takes decision making away from the individual, should be extremely rare and limited.
Our United States Constitution, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, recognize individual freedom and liberties, and weigh heavily in favor of the rights of the individual citizen. In recognition of this, our Office will stand in defense of the individual rights of all citizens. Our Office will not be enforcing any edicts from the Governor’s Office as it relates to the Covid -19 pandemic. We are a government for the people, by the people.
We believe that each person should exercise and bear personal responsibility in the best interests of themselves, their families, friends, and employees, and it is they, not the centralized government, who should make those decisions. May God Bless the United States of America, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and each one of you.
Sheriff Chris Leppler
gianmarco
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I might be in denial, but I think last week's message was a bluff. Another shut down right now in this environment is not going to be effective and will only hurt the economy. So why bother. I think that's why the new advisory surfaced yesterday. It isn't going to be effective either, but it'll play well for optics purposes.
Until there are federal subsidies I don't expect any further orders, but at the same time I'm preparing as if there will be. Minnesota's move earlier this week did lay the ground work, so...we'll see in a few hours.
off topic, sorry, but i'm not sure which would smell worse,
a half gallon of soured milk in the carpet, or over an hour of lysoling.
(actually, i know it's the milk, i could tell you a story about a gallon of milk, the trunk of a car, and a string of 90+ degree days---never the same)
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