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Genuine Question...is this known to be true? I've seen plenty of sources saying they aren't sure. It seems very much in the realm of possibility that people can still get it and pass it on if vaccinated. It's just that their bodies will be able to fight it off faster minimizing damage.
I don't know. If you take the first shot and need the second in X amount of time, I think by not getting the second shot you may need to get the first shot all over again ALONG with the second shot if you wait too long. Kind of seems like a waste of the first round. But I'm not a doc or anyone who has a clue. Just spit balling.
Would make more sense for low risk to get zero then and allow high risk to get both.
My uneducated view is a portion of the first round of vaccines are going to at-risk populations (old folks) and first responders. I'm guessing most of those folks aren't going out spreading this around so I don't expect to see a significant decline from that segment of the population. Could be wrong but I think we've isolated the most at risk by now and for those that have comorbidities, I would hope they are doing the same on their own so again, wouldn't expect to a significant drop from them.
Yeah, I think you're probably right. I was more wondering how the vaccines are going to actually work. It's my understanding that this is a significantly different approach than say a measles shot for example. I'm just wondering out loud if our behavior should also be altered even after getting the vaccine knowing that millions are still left to get it. At some point I think we reach the "ok, too bad, you had a chance to get it and haven't, that's on you" point.
Thanks for the intel. I guess we shouldn't be surprised at this point that this is going to be a(nother) nation-wide cluster.
Scott Gotlieb was saying he thinks they should put the first shot in as many arms as possible instead of shelving enough for the Phase I second shot, so that in case there was a supply issue, at least more people have some immunity.
His comments may have lead to some of what I was reading. Seems like it's at least worth considering...
It really is crazy how it spreads or doesnt spread. We did the opposite of you (not saying we shouldve). My wife did NOT isolate in the room or wear a mask around the house. I slept in the same bed with her 7 of the 10 days she was quarantined. She even cooked dinner for us (before she got her results but after she was positive) and I even ate a piece of her chicken out of her plate. Neither me or my son got sick. Her symptoms were as close to asymptomatic as can be. Plus she has high blood pressure so someone I would consider high risk. The random variability of this virus is just so insane.My son had a televisit with the doc this morning. He is cleared to return to work tomorrow. He won't return until Monday, but that is good news. The doc said that 95% of the patients he has had with covid did NOT have a fever at any point. He recommended my son take a baby aspirin for a couple weeks just to be safe. He said he has had 3 patients that after their symptoms have gone away ended up developing blood clots.
I think we are good here. While I technically have another week before I can rest assured that I did not get it from him, I think we did a good job of isolating him and cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. I have to go full biohazard cleanup in the upstairs bathroom now that he is cleared so we can use that again.
Stay safe everyone. This stuff is real, it scares the #### out of you when it is in your home. With all the vaccine talk out there, I have to admit I'm more optimistic about our future than I have in months.
This was pretty much our experience. We got my daughter tested the day after she complained of a minor sore throat, and she came back positive. My other daughter, who had a worse cold for 3 days prior, tested negative. We didn't try and isolate my daughter from the rest of the house through her 10 days, and the extent of impact on the rest of us was some minor congestion for a day or so. Yesterday, we all tested negative. Who can figure.
I believe I've read stories where they believe that the amount of virus a person sheds is not the same across the board. And how MUCH you are exposed to the virus matters. It isn't just a piece of glitter where it touched your finger, then you touched your eyes and then BAM! You are in the hospital. "Viral Load". Some people are super spreaders where they shed a ton of the virus, infect a bunch of other people. Some others just get it and don't spread it to others as easy. Makes sense... I'm pretty sure most diseases kind of work like that.
Why would they flip like that? An approved vaccine that they won't be able to get for months yet?
While it’s still not clear if vaccinated individuals can transmit the virus, protecting ~1/3 of the population, starting with the highest risk and most vulnerable, will undoubtedly slow the overall rate of spread.
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The first part is surprising, I don’t know anyone who is making a similar flip or even considering it. Though could come down the reason why they were ‘shelter in place’. If it was for personal risk, I could see why vaccinations could change their mind.
More anti vax people means I get it sooner. I want to come out of this with my #### working and food tasting normal, at a minimum.
I would almost assuredly guess that's complete bunk. It's an anti-parasitic drug (used to treat worm infections/infestation) and can't see how it would have any efficacy whatsoever against a virus.
So it's still unclear if we can spread it around. Good information for people to know I'd think. Here's the problem I fear and see clearly on the horizon if messaging isn't clear and understandable. This vaccine is going to continue to roll out and all 50 states are doing it differently because, well, lack of leadership. As a result it's going to be a mixed bag and it's absolutely true that vaccines are going to give a false sense of security. If all states aren't going to be prioritizing the same way, it's still on US to understand that spread is potentially possible. If I get the vaccine and my elderly grandmother doesn't (or hasn't yet), today, it's still not a good idea for me to be around her.
Unfortunately I have seen some of this as well. I wouldn't say "most" of my friends--but I'd say that I know of some people (including customers of mine) that seem to be shifting and letting their guards down. It's frustrating because it's the worst possible time. There is a lot of virus out there right now and hospitals are feeling the stress
It's like running a marathon and about the 25 mile point, just saying "ah screw it" and quitting to sit and have a Starbucks.
I think that's exactly what most marathon runners want to do about mile 25. Actually, probly starts around mile 20 now that I think about it. Which, coincidentally, sounds to me like a good comparison to where we are with COVID. During a marathon, 20 miles is about where spectators say "you're almost there" but the reality is there are still 6 miles to go and I'm getting tired. Most people keep chugging along, but I can see where people would say I've had enough. Same is true for covid, it's been a long year and you might say the end is in sight, but it's still 6 miles away and we're all tired of it at this point.
I wouldn’t characterize the hospital workers as anti-Vaxxers. They want to see more evidence of sustained benefit. That’s reasonable - though not a position I would take in this particular situation.
Eh, anyone that was paying any attention at all would know that winter was going to be bad
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I mean ivermectin seems order of magnitude more proven than HCQ ever was. And it's been effective at treating other RNA viruses. It's already main line treatment, and has been for a few months now. I didn't even know it was controversial.
That guy is waaaay off evidenced-based standards of care, shockingly so as a representative of an academic medical center. While it’s hard to call anyone an expert on this disease, he definitely seems to be of the shotgun, try-everything school of thought, as opposed to primum non nocere (first and foremost, don’t cause harm in a rush to “just do something”) methodology favored by most clinicians.
ETA It's also worth mentioning ivermectin has sporadically been in short supply this year. One of its approved indications, treatment of a parasite called Strongyloides, is an issue in covid patients, as the worm can disseminate throughout the body in some people exposed to steroids like dexamethasone.
