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And.... It's almost like some people are willfully ignoring clear cut science on this, despite having been wrong just about every step of the way.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)
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Crazy. My father is double vaxxed with no booster and got covid in summer. His wife is currently positive. So far so good but we will see if that changes in a few days. He keeps claiming he's "super immune".
The Z Machine
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
From what I've read, hybrid immunity with a booster is the best you get.
Vaxxed over six months ago and had covid over the summer, not so much.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
NFL claims their data shows only symptomatic vaccinated individuals spread Covid.
Big if true. They probably have about as good of data as anyone with the amount of testing and level of contact tracing they do.
Big if true. They probably have about as good of data as anyone with the amount of testing and level of contact tracing they do.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Did you add the “vaccinated” part there? I don’t see in this article that they say anything about that.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
It’s omicron. A whole lot of omicron, with a smattering of residual delta.humpback said:
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
To clarify, you probably don’t know any (or very few) people with SYMPTOMATIC covid who developed SYMPTOMATIC covid again. What you don’t know is how many people had asymptomatic covid/minimally symptomatic upper respiratory tract infection, but were never officially diagnosed with covid, who developed reinfection.Coach Morris Buttermaker said:
In contrast, everybody is well aware of their vaccination status when they develop symptomatic breakthrough infection.
The only way to know definitively know the incidence of breakthrough infection vs. reinfection is serial testing of an entire population.
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I mentioned it in a subsequent post but they just said today that only 40% of the cases sampled in Maryland are omicron. Unvaccinated adults (9%) account for 75% of the hospitalizations.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Odd. When I first read it I swear it was focusing more on vaccinated asymptomatic people.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Landed in SFO last night with no major issues. Was required to test to board however nobody checked. Had to show proof of vaccination at check in. Flight delayed about 30 because of the vax check, would have surely been longer if testing was verified, but we made up the time in the air.
Customs was the most lax I have experienced in 20+ years of traveling to and from EU. No forms to fill out, just asked us what we brought in and how much cash, how long are you staying, etc. Final exit was just a red light that went on randomly and they checked something. No control of vax status for incoming travelers on the US end that I could see. The girl that checked us in in MUC just looked at my phone and said ok.
Customs was the most lax I have experienced in 20+ years of traveling to and from EU. No forms to fill out, just asked us what we brought in and how much cash, how long are you staying, etc. Final exit was just a red light that went on randomly and they checked something. No control of vax status for incoming travelers on the US end that I could see. The girl that checked us in in MUC just looked at my phone and said ok.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
The difference between EU and here were apparent right after exiting customs. Any public indoor area, FFP2 masks are required in DE. At SFO, while most were masked, many are waiting outside of customs maskless. Of all the places to exercise a little bit more caution...
belljr
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, one of my team members in NY just tested positive. He and his wife were boosted 10 days ago. Both positive now, along with their 3-year old. Very mild symptoms.
I read some headline that the booster only protects for 10 weeks. I'll try and find the article.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/how-long-does-booster-protection-omicron-covid-last-study-2021-12%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/how-long-does-booster-protection-omicron-covid-last-study-2021-12%3famp
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Alex P Keaton
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Thx for sharing, I didn’t see this. It’s pretty consistent with what we are seeing and hearing from multiple countries and studies. At this point we know that
1) vaccine efficacy for preventing symptomatic Covid decreases steadily over the span of 2-3 months
2) vaccine efficacy for preventing serious illness, hospitalization or death holds up well through 4 months and likely beyond
3) we will have boosters every 4-6 months for awhile
At least those are my takeaways so far. And I’m totally fine with getting a booster every 4-6 months.
Thanks again for the link. Merry Christmas!
If it turns out booster only prevents symptomatic infection for 10 weeks but we still get protection against severe covid for longer I think I'll hold off on future boosters for now.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If you have immunocompromised people you may be around or unvaccinated kids, you should treat this outbreak like it’s March of 2020. Odds of you getting and spreading seems high with current levels.
belljr
Footballguy
So technically still inside the 14 day window....if that still is a thing. Wonder if people are getting the booster and thinking all good without the "wait time"
*Assuming that's still a thing
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Leeroy Jenkins
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If you have immunocompromised people you may be around or unvaccinated kids, you should treat this outbreak like it’s March of 2020. Odds of you getting and spreading seems high with current levels.
Yep, and per usual, the headline/way it's presented is a bit misleading- the effectiveness lessens, but it's still far more effective than no booster (especially Moderna).
Omicron will likely burn through much of the US during that 10 week window, so to quote the article: "In the meantime, the experts said the priority to tackle Omicron was still to vaccinate people who weren't vaccinated and get boosters into as many people as possible."
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Thought I had symptoms last night and this morning. Nope, just a small hangover and too much eggnog making me feel gross. Had a negative rapid test this morning.
Also, all our Christmas plans have been downsized to the immediate family. The other families we often hang with don't want to risk an infection before they visit some elderly folks this coming week.
Also, all our Christmas plans have been downsized to the immediate family. The other families we often hang with don't want to risk an infection before they visit some elderly folks this coming week.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I would be more concerned about kids less than 2yrs old, but still.
Then you have to worry about being able to take care of a newborn if both parents got it.
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Man the ignore feature on this fois so awesome 
Hat tip to @Memphis Foundry for keeping that running well
Hat tip to @Memphis Foundry for keeping that running well
Yikes. Like I said a few pages ago, a focus on testing should've been emphasized over a focus in vaccines this past month.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/white-house-rejected-plan-to-boost-holiday-covid-testing-report/
https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/white-house-rejected-plan-to-boost-holiday-covid-testing-report/
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I don't need 100% efficacy to think a policy is wise/advisable.
To me, absent the ability to digitally validate by vaccine shot / boost status, I'm okay with the vax or negative test mandate for dining / entertainment.
Plus while I'm not in favor of mandates for employment, I have no issue with an "inconvenience tax" on antivaxxers... limiting their ability to participate in certain social components of society.
Terminalxylem
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Europe sounds like Hawaii, except places where tourists predominate. Kinda surprised San Fran isn’t on board with masking.
Wouldn't a test negative to enter a restaurant policy make more sense than a vax proof policy during omicron? The former does not exist in NYC. The latter does.I don't need 100% efficacy to think a policy is wise/advisable.
To me, absent the ability to digitally validate by vaccine shot / boost status, I'm okay with the vax or negative test mandate for dining / entertainment.
Plus while I'm not in favor of mandates for employment, I have no issue with an "inconvenience tax" on antivaxxers... limiting their ability to participate in certain social components of society.
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Assuming infinite rapid testing capacity? Perhaps. Issues I see with this:
1) Testing Capacity is already insufficient. Adding this requirement would dramatically increase stress on that system.
2) The same people who ##### about vaccine requirements would also piss and moan about the testing requirement. Generally most of them are just miserable people looking for an excuse to whine.
I do agree with evolving restrictions based on the situation. The problem is we have a lot of mouth-breathers who view this as a bad thing rather than a logical quantitative approach to risk reduction.
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1. Agree with this. They should've been mass producing the at home test kits using the Defense Production Act and had them widely available this way restaurant owners can have them available for all customers.
2. Agreed 100%. I don't care about those people. I'm just talking about what's safer AT THIS POINT.
IMO RIGHT NOW I'd rather be around a non-vaxxed person who has a recent negative test than a fully vaxxed and boosted person who has not been tested. The former is definitely safer during this Omicron wave.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I think I disagree with the bolded. A non-vaxxed has been proven to spread more/longer than a vaxxed. I think I'm better off taking chances with the vaxxed.
Change my mind. What makes you say the last sentence?
I think his point is really that right now, he values a negative test more than vaccinated. At least if you have a negative test, you probably aren't spreading covid around. But since Omicron is hitting vaccinated and boosted people, a vaccinated person can still be spreading this.
I think adding "nonvaccinated" to the person with the negative test was really just to emphasize how much more he values the negative test rather than the vaccination at this moment in time.
Obviously it depends on how recent the test was but if they had a negative test they took 15 min ago how can they spread it?
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I’ve not seen that proven conclusively, but the mechanism is biologically plausible.
A couple minor points:
1. Colonize technically means to occupy a place in the body without causing disease.
2. IM vaccines can promote mucosal (lining of the airways, digestive tract, etc.) immunity. It just takes time to convert IgG/M antibodies in the blood (those induced by vaccines) to those in the mucosa (IgA). That won’t happen unless exposed to the virus (or an intranasal vaccine).
3. Virus can get to the lungs a couple ways: inhaled directly, traveling from the upper to lower airways, or through the bloodstream. Mucosal antibodies help with the former, while the circulating vaccine-induced ones prevent systemic spread.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Are you talking about testing at the restaurant? Aren't infected already going to be there for 15-30 minutes before being shown to be positive? If not at the restaurant, how do you differentiate results for a test taken today vs a test taken 1 month ago?
Testing at the restaurant would be phenomenal. Next best thing would be one positive test 24 hours prior. I'm sure they can develop some app that takes your positive test result from an at home test as verifies if it was done 24 hours before.
Here is another inconsistency that drives me nuts. The CDC just announced a 7 day quarantine period vs the 10 day period for healthcare workers. I understand WHY they did it but do healthcare workers recover from covid quicker than the rest of the population? Why not just change the quarantine period to 7 days for all?
10 weeks and you are back where ya started. Total garbage. Remember when it was all you need is 2 shots. Then a booster will do the trick. Now the booster doesn't even last 3 months. 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/booster-shots-protect-against-symptomatic-134222278.html
Enjoy the boosters. In another year, you're gonna need a backpack & IV drip.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/booster-shots-protect-against-symptomatic-134222278.html
Enjoy the boosters. In another year, you're gonna need a backpack & IV drip.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Have you kept up with the posts from people who remain unvaccinated? I’d rather risk covid.
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Because it’s out of necessity rather than data. There is still remains a risk in days 7-10. How much is uncertain but it’s likely decreased in that time period. For health care workers their benefit to the pandemic exceeds that risk. Not to mention they are more likely to be wearing high quality masks. From what I’ve heard, many other essential business are likely to adopt the policy.
The thing to remember is that the CDC guidelines are not meant to be perfect. It’s making broad recommendations to try and guide the best health outcome.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Perhaps the benefit of getting healthcare workers back to work when there is a shortage outweighs the benefit of being extra careful with recovery time.
belljr
Footballguy
My Omnicron party is in full swing. I started feeling uneasy half way in 
18 people.
6 kids under 12 not sure of their shots.
12 adults - 11 vaccinated. 6 boosted.
The 12 adult not boosted are 35 and younger..... I've been sitting out back most of the time
18 people.
6 kids under 12 not sure of their shots.
12 adults - 11 vaccinated. 6 boosted.
The 12 adult not boosted are 35 and younger..... I've been sitting out back most of the time
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