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[jobarules]

My son's friend tested positive today. My son was in close proximity indoors with this friend last night and this past Sunday. If my son were to test 5 days after exposure, would that be 5 days after last night or 5 days from this past Sunday?

I thought it was 5 days after positive test (because its impossible to tell when exposure happened).

 

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Some interesting data from the 3 largest local hospitals about their employee vaccination rates and policies:

Michelle Kligman, chief experience officer and senior vice president of human resources for Jackson Health, said about 85% of employees are fully vaccinated, and that the recent wave has encouraged more to do so in the hope of evading the virus. “That helps,” Kligman said. “What they’re experiencing is a mild illness for about five to six days.“ Jackson Health does not require vaccination as a condition of employment, but those who are not vaccinated are banned from dining areas, must wear N-95 respirator masks at all times while indoors, and pay a bi-weekly penalty of $50 in health insurance premiums.

At Memorial Healthcare in South Broward, Vargas-Hernandez said about 90% of staff is vaccinated. Memorial Healthcare System does not have a vaccine mandate, but those workers who do not take the shots must wear N-95 respirator masks indoors and attend meetings via video conference or phone.

In November, Baptist Health reported that 94% of its more than 24,000 employees were vaccinated, and about 5% had received an approved exemption for religious or medical reasons. About 120 employees, or less than 1% of Baptist Health’s workforce, did not comply with the mandate and resigned.

Although vaccine policies have helped hospitals weather the current surge, few have enforced a hard mandate for employees — citing the conflict between the federal government’s mandate for healthcare workers to be vaccinated by Jan. 4 and Florida’s legal ban on employer vaccine mandates adopted in November. Though federal courts have ordered preliminary injunctions blocking the vaccine mandate, the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services or CMS said in a Dec. 28 memo that the agency will enforce the mandate in 25 states, including Florida. Under the CMS vaccine mandate, those hospitals that do not achieve 100% vaccination rates for workers risk being terminated from the Medicare and Medicaid programs, the largest payers in the U.S. healthcare system. CMS administrators said in the Dec. 28 memo that hospitals will have until the end of March to comply with the rule or risk losing access to federal healthcare programs. But Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has refused to comply.

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I saw an insanely long line of cars down the street the other day. I'm talking hundreds of cars... all parked in a line, barely moving. The line went to a Poplar Health Facility. Posted the video driving down the long ### line and got the backstory.

Local hospitals/healthcare providers have a contract with Poplar Health for weekly testing for employees who claimed exemptions. Apparently the line is usually 3-4 hours long. 

On one hand I feel bad for the tiny fraction of people with legit medical exemptions. 

On the other hand... it makes me chuckle every time I drive by knowing most of the people are antivaxxers on bull#### "religious exemptions" and are facing consequences for it.    

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

"Children fell far behind in school during the first year of the pandemic and have not caught up. Among third through eighth graders, math and reading levels were all lower than normal this fall, according to NWEA, a research group. The shortfalls were largest for Black and Hispanic students, as well as students in schools with high poverty rates."

What percentage of those shortfalls are due to subpar parenting involvement at home? 

I don't see how that's relevant in determining whether schools should stay in person.

 

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I don't see how that's relevant in determining whether schools should stay in person.

I'm not pushing it either way. I don't have kids so I DGAF what you guys do with your sex trophies.  

I'm just saying, parents being involved in their children's schooling has always been a significant factor in a child's success. Now that kids are at home.... crappy parenting is exacerbated. 

And I get many parents may both work, etc. But there are a ####load of single parent or DI folks working multiple jobs out there who still find 30-60 mins a day to check in if their kids are doing school work, and staying involved and aware of their progress. 

Maybe I'm jaded because I see so much "hands-off" parenting here in Memphis... but my point is that I'd wager a LOT of the blame on the degradation in performance could likely be remedied by ####ty parents being less ####ty. 

 

[The Z Machine]

And then schools are closed for two years and we're all looking around wondering how that happened. 

I don't think there's any wonder how that could happen.  Pandemic of a novel virus for humans causes untold disruption in a lot of ways.  Staff shortages are real and it would be difficult to keep in-person school functioning with large percentages of staff not able to be in the classroom, let alone the students themselves.

I don't want to normalize 100% remote learning, but we are going to need to evolve our thinking about education vis-a-vis in-person instruction.

 

[Biff84]

yep for meds (my pops was a pharmacist). After the expiration date the strength may start to decline, but for most drugs they're still somewhat effective for quite a while. @Biff24 right?

Have no clue if that same concept applies to the reagents in these rapid tests though. 

Essentially it’s a guarantee of potency/effectiveness. The date is how long they can guarantee the drug will give then full effective dose. Usually not harmful just maybe not as effective. With tests though, you want that guarantee. But they likely could have been put to use with a little less certainty.

 

[Doug B]

My son's friend tested positive today. My son was in close proximity indoors with this friend last night and this past Sunday. If my son were to test 5 days after exposure, would that be 5 days after last night or 5 days from this past Sunday?

I thought it was 5 days after positive test (because its impossible to tell when exposure happened).

@dgreen , do you want to know "when to test?" or "how long to quarantine after exposure?"

For the former, unless you have extra home tests or easy access to PCR (e.g. family working at a clinic or something) ... I'd test him with home tests tomorrow and Sunday if your son has symptoms (even light ones). If a PCR is on the table, symptoms don't matter -- get him one of those tomorrow or Saturday.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

If both parents work (or single parents) what kind of involvement can parents provide at home?

This really is the most legitimate reason for keeping schools open -- not every parent has a WFH option or ability to take off right now, and frankly some home environments are dangerous -- schools are the best and safest places for students.  So I get that.  What I didn't like about my district was we had a choice to either send the kids, keep them home but use up absences, or move to cyber for the full tri-mester.  Given that the schools have the technology (ipads and zoom), I did not understand why we could not have the option for short term remote learning.  The reason we were given was that due to potential staffing issues, they could be moving teachers/students around so remote was too difficult -- but that isn't an environment I want to send my kids into either.

 

[beer 30]

That's not how my county did it, the teacher taught both groups simultaneously from the classroom. Yes, it sucked, but I think what's happening now (and what's coming in other areas soon) sucks more (I'm sure you'll disagree).

See above. It should have been discussed prior to the break when this freight train became obvious, but it's still not too late in some areas.

My daughter is a 3rd grade teacher and has been doing this since last year. It sucks, for her and the kids. The younger kids going through school are permanently screwed. She has kids in her class that are at a K or 1st grade level. The best students are probably closer to mid level 2nd graders. None should be promoted but they all will.

 

[dgreen]

@dgreen , do you want to know "when to test?" or "how long to quarantine after exposure?"

For the former, unless you have extra home tests or easy access to PCR (e.g. family working at a clinic or something) ... I'd test him with home tests tomorrow and Sunday if your son has symptoms (even light ones). If a PCR is on the table, symptoms don't matter -- get him one of those tomorrow or Saturday.

When to test. Basically, I'm wondering if someone started showing symptoms today and tested positive today could they have been a source of exposure four days ago on Sunday. My whole family is boosted, so the guidance for exposure appears to be:

• Wear a mask around others for 10 days
  
• Test on day 5, if possible
  
• If symptoms appear, definitely test and stay home
  

No symptoms as of yet. The "if possible" language makes me think it's not a big deal to not test if he remains asymptomatic.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

And let me add that we are getting snow tomorrow, and while this hasn't been stated by my district yet, Philadelphia Schools have announced they are doing virtual learning tomorrow (instead of a snow day).  So like, WTF?

 

[The Z Machine]

performance could likely be remedied by ####ty parents being less ####ty.

But that was always the case.  The pandemic made it worse.

Not shockingly, those with the most means were best able to weather adversity.

 

[dgreen]

This really is the most legitimate reason for keeping schools open -- not every parent has a WFH option or ability to take off right now, and frankly some home environments are dangerous -- schools are the best and safest places for students.  So I get that.  What I didn't like about my district was we had a choice to either send the kids, keep them home but use up absences, or move to cyber for the full tri-mester.  Given that the schools have the technology (ipads and zoom), I did not understand why we could not have the option for short term remote learning.  The reason we were given was that due to potential staffing issues, they could be moving teachers/students around so remote was too difficult -- but that isn't an environment I want to send my kids into either.

IDK, I feel like temporary remote learning would be a waste of time based on what I observed previously. I just don't think there will be much learning going on. And, as mentioned, it definitely doesn't help with the households that need a place for their kids to be while they work. I'd probably prefer to see schools just shutdown for a while but keep the buildings open for kids that need a place to go (assuming there's enough staff to basically babysit) rather than go virtual.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm not pushing it either way. I don't have kids so I DGAF what you guys do with your sex trophies.  

I'm just saying, parents being involved in their children's schooling has always been a significant factor in a child's success. Now that kids are at home.... crappy parenting is exacerbated. 

And I get many parents may both work, etc. But there are a ####load of single parent or DI folks working multiple jobs out there who still find 30-60 mins a day to check in if their kids are doing school work, and staying involved and aware of their progress. 

Maybe I'm jaded because I see so much "hands-off" parenting here in Memphis... but my point is that I'd wager a LOT of the blame on the degradation in performance could likely be remedied by ####ty parents being less ####ty. 

When the pandemic started, my son was in kindergarten (daughter not yet in school).  Now my son is in 2nd grade and daughter in kindergarten.  Wife and I both have jobs that keep us on calls almost all day.  In some ways, I think it's probably been easier having young kids (as opposed to teenagers) through this pandemic because they seem to be more motivated to learn in a virtual setting.  Even so, "virtual" learning (at least in our school) typically consisted of morning synchronized learnings followed by asynchronous learnings (after lunch).  Even with our schedules, my wife and I did a pretty good job of staying on top of him and creating homework for him (and fortunately he's always been into learning anyways).  With that said, it would take a lot a more than 30-60 minutes a day of checking in to compare to the type of education that they receive in a classroom.  It's a full time job.  I'm not at all surprised to see those results.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Italy not f'ing around!

Italy announced yesterday that vaccinations will be mandatory for everyone over 50, effective immediately.

Those who do not get their shots will be suspended from work without pay.

 

[Doug B]

Basically, I'm wondering if someone started showing symptoms today and tested positive today could they have been a source of exposure four days ago on Sunday.

Yes, they could have. it's not a slam dunk, but it wouldn't be some weird outlier either.

My whole family is boosted, so the guidance for exposure appears to be:

• Wear a mask for 10 days when out
  
• Test on day 5, if possible
  
• If symptoms appear, definitely test and stay home
  

No symptoms as of yet. The "if possible" language makes me think it's not a big deal to not test if he remains asymptomatic.

Yeah, a home test will likely throw up a negative as long as your son remains asymptomatic. (EDIT: last word in this sentence should be "asymptomatic")

If your son remains asymptomatic and you happen to have ready access to a PCR test somehow ... AND you really want to know if your son is infected, you can get meaningful results from a PCR at any point starting now. If, instead, a PCR test would be a PITA to arrange ... you could sit tight and watch your son for symptoms.

Do you have any home tests, or can you get your hands on some?

In general, access to tests (either/or home tests & PCRs) will dictate your best response to some extent.

 

[AAABatteries]

Italy not f'ing around!

Italy announced yesterday that vaccinations will be mandatory for everyone over 50, effective immediately.

Those who do not get their shots will be suspended from work without pay.

Can you be suspended from playing CB for the Italian National Team?

@gianmarco

 

[Doug B]

@dgreen , please re-read above. Two places where I typed "asymptomatic" got auto-corrected to "symptomatic"

 

[dgreen]

Yes, they could have. it's not a slam dunk, but it wouldn't be some weird outlier either.

Yeah, a home test will likely throw up a negative as long as your son remains symptomatic.

If your son remains symptomatic and you happen to have ready access to a PCR test somehow ... AND you really want to know if your son is infected, you can get meaningful results from a PCR at any point starting now. If, instead, a PCR test would be a PITA to arrange ... you could sit tight and watch your son for symptoms.

Do you have any home tests, or can you get your hands on some?

In general, access to tests (either/or home tests & PCRs) will dictate your best response to some extent.

I'm pretty sure we still have one home test from when we bought some about a month ago. I actually have two sons exposed, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to get another one in stores right now.

My assumption is if testing is important then we could figure something out and make it happen. But, I guess I'm not really understanding whether or not it's important. It kind of seems like it's not all that important for asymptomatic fully vaxed/boosted people so I'd lean towards not putting in much effort into making that happen.

 

[ZADO]

Couple of friends just got covid ,said they feel like crap but its the excruciating headaches with no relief thats the worst part. No hospitalizations ...yet

 

[Doug B]

My assumption is if testing is important then we could figure something out and make it happen. But, I guess I'm not really understanding whether or not it's important. It kind of seems like it's not all that important for asymptomatic fully vaxed/boosted people so I'd lean towards not putting in much effort into making that happen.

While your sons -- really, your entire household -- wait on symptoms ... can you guys steer clear of older folks in the family, immunocompromised people, and keep a low profile in general? Give it a week from today, and if all of your family is still good ... you all will have dodged it, I'd say.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm not pushing it either way. I don't have kids so I DGAF what you guys do with your sex trophies.  

Totally stealing "sex trophies."

 

[Doug B]

I'm pretty sure we still have one home test from when we bought some about a month ago. I actually have two sons exposed, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to get another one in stores right now.

Local stores in the N.O. area have no home tests and are probably over a week away from restocking to hear the employees tell it. For what that's worth. Might be better where you are.

One test for two kids is a tough situation. What do you know about access to PCR testing in your area, should you need to go that route?

I know some places are also doing public antigen testing (basically, the 15-minute home test) as well as public PCR tests. Get a read on what's available in your locale.

 

[Dragons]

My son's friend tested positive today. My son was in close proximity indoors with this friend last night and this past Sunday. If my son were to test 5 days after exposure, would that be 5 days after last night or 5 days from this past Sunday?

You could test 5 days after the first exposure to see, but you won't know for sure until 5 days after the second exposure.

 

[AAABatteries]

Totally stealing "sex trophies."

I don't even get a participation trophy.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/27/best-masks-covid-tests-cloth-surgical-respirators

@Courtjester I think it was you I replied to the other day, who had asked about masks. This link above has the guy I was talking about, and links to his YouTube channel. The mask I linked here was one of the ones he recommended. 

also, YLE put out some info on masks today

 

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I don't even get a participation trophy.

 

 

[dgreen]

While your sons -- really, your entire household -- wait on symptoms ... can you guys steer clear of older folks in the family, immunocompromised people, and keep a low profile in general? Give it a week from today, and if all of your family is still good ... you all will have dodged it, I'd say.

Yeah, other than my wife's work, pretty easy to stay isolated for a few days to see if symptoms show up. School is already closed for snow. Daughter does go back to college this weekend, but she's not a direct exposure and I'm sure both her and her brothers are more than happy to avoid each other the next couple days.

 

[Doug B]

Posted by a Canadian on another board. @Northern Voice, @northern exposure and other Canadian FBGs -- can you guys concur?

Ontario has essentially given up on testing. Our new guidelines as of last week:

• Symptomatic testing will be available for high-risk individuals, and individuals who work in high-risk settings.
  
• Individuals with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 are presumed positive and they should follow isolation and/or self-monitoring guidelines.
  
• Testing for asymptomatic contacts of cases is generally no longer recommended, except for high-risk contacts/individuals that are part of confirmed or suspected outbreaks in high-risk settings, as recommended by public health.
  
• Positive rapid antigen tests will no longer require PCR confirmation (I don't think that was ever a thing in the US - db).
  

Based on the latest scientific evidence, individuals with COVID-19 should isolate for five days if they are fully vaccinated or under the age of 12, and if their symptoms are improving for at least 24 hours.

 

[Dragons]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/27/best-masks-covid-tests-cloth-surgical-respirators

@Courtjester I think it was you I replied to the other day, who had asked about masks. This link above has the guy I was talking about, and links to his YouTube channel. The mask I linked here was one of the ones he recommended. 

also, YLE put out some info on masks today

Also great charts on recommended actions after Close Contact and Testing Positive.

 

[Terminalxylem]

That's something a lot of people don't consider.

Does it really matter much if kids tend to fare all right with COVID? What about kids as COVID conduits to other people?

I think schools can be and have been conducted in person with reasonable safety, but I don't agree with the "kids don't get it" angle. So what if "kids don't get it"? They're links in a chain, strands in a web.

I’ve been told strands of the web are no longer important, or not as important as maskless time spent in the classroom. Everyone should be fully boosted, after all.

We just need to move on. Record caseloads, absenteeism from work and hospital occupancy be damned!
 

 

[BigJim®]

Strange situation... wife had my son into the dr for flu shot and he'd not yet had a booster because he had breakthrough virus in early December. They advised no need to wait for booster, so they gave it, but my wife did not have his vax card. The person who dispensed the shot wrote the lot #, date and person who dispensed, advising my wife to write it herself on the card. Is that normal? It's all accurate info but the concept of my wife completing fields on the card that are supposed to be completed by the person dispensing sounds iffy to me.

 

[waiver wire]

Posted by a Canadian on another board. @Northern Voice, @northern exposure and other Canadian FBGs -- can you guys concur?

very similar in BC 
we just dont have enough tests 
 yesterdays numbers 
and this is with QR codes , masks , recent capacity restrictions  and decent amount of people vaccinated 

 

[Doug B]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/27/best-masks-covid-tests-cloth-surgical-respirators

@Courtjester I think it was you I replied to the other day, who had asked about masks. This link above has the guy I was talking about, and links to his YouTube channel. The mask I linked here was one of the ones he recommended. 

Riffing off of this ...

Those of you who have switched away from cloth masks to N95/KN94 respirators ... have you been able to reliably find respirators at local retailers, or do you have to rely on online ordering?

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Riffing off of this ...

Those of you who have switched away from cloth masks to N95/KN94 respirators ... have you been able to reliably find respirators at local retailers, or do you have to rely on online ordering?

I got mine online about 6 months ago, so didn't check locally. 

I do wonder though, for the veteran N95 et. al. wearers, how long do you wear one before disposing of it?  

 

[massraider]

I remember a sad story many years ago of someone dying from an allergic reaction because their parent did not want to use an expired EpiPen to help save their life.

Oh my God. 

 

[Doug B]

The person who dispensed the shot wrote the lot #, date and person who dispensed, advising my wife to write it herself on the card. Is that normal? It's all accurate info but the concept of my wife completing fields on the card that are supposed to be completed by the person dispensing sounds iffy to me.

When my son got his first vaccination, the tech wrote nothing on his card at all. His shot was at a major hospital's drive-up, and they had stickers to place on blank vaccine cards that had hospital logo, vaccine brand, lot number, and some other info.

However ... when I said "the tech wrote nothing", I meant "wrote nothing" -- later on, when we got home, I saw that his name and other personal info was not on the card at all. A totally blank card except for the aforementioned sticker. So I filled in everything else myself  
 

 

[Doug B]

I do wonder though, for the veteran N95 et. al. wearers, how long do you wear one before disposing of it?  

Thanks for asking this. Ideally, I could use the same one for a few days or even a week. Generally only have one on for maybe 4-6 hours a week depending on how often I'm in stores or other public indoor spaces.

 

[jobarules]

Strange situation... wife had my son into the dr for flu shot and he'd not yet had a booster because he had breakthrough virus in early December. They advised no need to wait for booster, so they gave it, but my wife did not have his vax card. The person who dispensed the shot wrote the lot #, date and person who dispensed, advising my wife to write it herself on the card. Is that normal? It's all accurate info but the concept of my wife completing fields on the card that are supposed to be completed by the person dispensing sounds iffy to me.

I dont see the big deal

 

[Doug B]

I should have added, too, @BigJim® , that my wife's and my vaccination cards were all filled in by hand by a local independent pharmacy except for a site-identifying stamp they place on all their cards. Given that ... to someone checking your card later, there's no difference between your handwriting and someone else's. At least for the purposes of authenticating the vaccination.

If I'm ever checking vaccination cards somewhere ... I'd be wary of any card that didn't have one or the other: (1) a site-identification stamp, or (2) a sticker with site ID and the vaccination info (brand, lot number, etc.). Any other part of the card can be hand-written IMHO, but having one of those two things NOT hand-written helps a lot in establishing legitimacy.
 

 

[ghostguy123]

Regarding virtual school......wow it's terrible and is absolutely pointless for the young kids.  My son is 6.  It was absolutely the suck.  You could tell none of the kids were getting anything out of it.

My daughter is 17, and it was pretty terrible for her as well. 

I am not tossing blame anywhere by saying this, but it's pretty obvious the decision to close in person schooling last year and at times this year is going to leave a FOREVER negative impact on students.   I guess the most blame goes to Covid.

 

[BigJim®]

I dont see the big deal

Really just curious if it is typical. Sounds from Doug's experience it may be.

 

[humpback]

My daughter is a 3rd grade teacher and has been doing this since last year. It sucks, for her and the kids. The younger kids going through school are permanently screwed. She has kids in her class that are at a K or 1st grade level. The best students are probably closer to mid level 2nd graders. None should be promoted but they all will.

I mean, I wrote that it sucks.  Know what else sucks? Getting sick or being a close contact of someone who is and having to quarantine for 5 days minimum, getting no instruction while you or your teacher are out. Then coming back only to do it all over again. Or shutting down schools completely. Or being completely virtual.

There's no "good" answer, but I think hybrid is "less bad" than the other options (which aren't technically options at all). I'm only talking about for a week or two when there are major outbreaks happening (like right now, after winter break), not an entire semester or year. No one wants to do this long term.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

When my son got his first vaccination, the tech wrote nothing on his card at all. His shot was at a major hospital's drive-up, and they had stickers to place on blank vaccine cards that had hospital logo, vaccine brand, lot number, and some other info.

However ... when I said "the tech wrote nothing", I meant "wrote nothing" -- later on, when we got home, I saw that his name and other personal info was not on the card at all. A totally blank card except for the aforementioned sticker. So I filled in everything else myself  
 

Same here.  I got my first two shots at a big vaccine clinic in our local convention center.  We didn't anything at all until our second shot, and then it was a blank card that had pre-printed stickers with the vaccine information but nothing about me.  Obviously I just filled in my own information.

The booster was hand-written in by the pharmacist who gave me the shot.

 

[jobarules]

I should have added, too, @BigJim® , that my wife's and my vaccination cards were all filled in by hand by a local independent pharmacy except for a site-identifying stamp they place on all their cards. Given that ... to someone checking your card later, there's no difference between your handwriting and someone else's. At least for the purposes of authenticating the vaccination.

If I'm ever checking vaccination cards somewhere ... I'd be wary of any card that didn't have one or the other: (1) a site-identification stamp, or (2) a sticker with site ID and the vaccination info (brand, lot number, etc.). Any other part of the card can be hand-written IMHO, but having one of those two things NOT hand-written helps a lot in establishing legitimacy.
 

My vaccine card has no stamps or stickers for any of my 3 shots. I got the 1st 2 shots at a NYC mass vaccination site and the 3rd at a cvs. The brand and lot info is all hand written.

 

[BigJim®]

I should have added, too, @BigJim® , that my wife's and my vaccination cards were all filled in by hand by a local independent pharmacy except for a site-identifying stamp they place on all their cards. Given that ... to someone checking your card later, there's difference between your handwriting and someone else's. At least for the purposes of authenticating the vaccination.

If I'm ever checking vaccination cards somewhere ... I'd be wary of any card that didn't have one or the other: (1) a site-identification stamp, or (2) a sticker with site ID and the vaccination info (brand, lot number, etc.). Any other part of the card can be hand-written IMHO, but having one of those two things NOT hand-written helps a lot in establishing legitimacy.
 

Thanks... I'm totally aligned. The clinic is just a mile away so my wife decided to bring the card back out of abundance of caution. Lo and behold she returned with something hand written with neither a stamp nor sticker. Oh well, at least its not her own handwriting. I guess I just assumed more formality based on how our initial shots were documented with stickers.

 

[jobarules]

Really just curious if it is typical. Sounds from Doug's experience it may be.

I wouldn't say it's typical. Most people bring the vax card when they get their booster.

 

[beer 30]

Italy not f'ing around!

Italy announced yesterday that vaccinations will be mandatory for everyone over 50, effective immediately.

Those who do not get their shots will be suspended from work without pay.

This won't end well.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Couple of friends just got covid ,said they feel like crap but its the excruciating headaches with no relief thats the worst part. No hospitalizations ...yet

My "work wife" tested positive on Tuesday and her main symptom has been headaches like that. She is also fatigued. 

 

[Doug B]

The clinic is just a mile away so my wife decided to bring the card back out of abundance of caution. Lo and behold she returned with something hand written with neither a stamp nor sticker. Oh well, at least its not her own handwriting. I guess I just assumed more formality based on how our initial shots were documented with stickers.

Yeah ... in a way, the vaccination-card system nationwide heavily relies on the honor system.

All the cards I've seen locally have a stamp or sticker identifying the site of the vaccine. But by no means have I seen cards from all sites in the N.O. area. There could be some that just handwrote everything.