culdeus
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He's claiming sort of close contact, maybe, kinduv. A vaccinated contact of a contact doesn't need to do anything until symptoms.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)
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He's claiming sort of close contact, maybe, kinduv. A vaccinated contact of a contact doesn't need to do anything until symptoms.
Doug B
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Unless SpurrierisGod (sans booster) is joba's genetic twin ... he's really likely to have symptoms soon. What to do about work Monday will likely take care of itself.
SpurrierisisGod
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Which has recently changed to. "Vaxxed AND boosted".
Plus, kid can't go back to school for 5 days from positive test. Minimum. How are we supposed to avoid a 5 yo for the next 5-10 days and not be a close contact.
SpurrierisisGod
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He lives in the same house. That's close contact and several of them may be positive. Also, is your second sentence still true with Omicron? Seems dumb to clarify if a person is vaccinated or unvaccinated to determine whether they need to quarantine.
culdeus
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I don't make the rules.
It made it sound like he got in late, didn't really see the + cases much etc. If you are contacted you are contacted. From there it's just a matter of time. Boosted maybe it's a coin flip whether you test + as a contact.
Contacted would probably hold him out until Tuesday.
belljr
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Probably hipple here. I just read the CDC website for my daughter. If you are vaxxed especially boosted and show no symptoms and were a close contact you only need to mask up for 10 days
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Shelby county is still >40% positivity
Went to my favorite bar to join some close friends on their last night in town. Sat on the patio (tented in because it's 20F) and drank beverages for ~4hrs.... wore a mask inside when hitting the restroom.
With our positivity rate, zero chance I didn't walk through multiple wafts of COVID.
May pop, but This year the approach is : Enjoy life while practicing oddly selective risk mitigation.
Went to my favorite bar to join some close friends on their last night in town. Sat on the patio (tented in because it's 20F) and drank beverages for ~4hrs.... wore a mask inside when hitting the restroom.
With our positivity rate, zero chance I didn't walk through multiple wafts of COVID.
May pop, but This year the approach is : Enjoy life while practicing oddly selective risk mitigation.
ignatiusjreilly
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Nugget
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I'm still amazed that they haven't cancelled the auto show for next weekend in STL. I cancelled my plans for it and the Omaha show the week after. We went back to full mask mandate here for ages 3+.
Maryland is the same. Thank god we have vaccines now for this strain. If the original strain had been this contagious millions would have died. And that's no exaggeration.
gianmarco
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Leeroy Jenkins
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ignatiusjreilly
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I have zero experience with this living in Florida, but I’ve never understood the whole enclosed tent thing. How is that any different from just being inside? Don’t you have the same risks in terms of lack of ventilation?
culdeus
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Nathan R. Jessep
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I think he meant if the first strain (pre-vaccines) was as transmissible as Omicronculdeus said:
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Same…or worse ventilation imo.ignatiusjreilly said:
i have seen restaurants set up individual “tent tables” which would actually be ok since its just your party.
But more often its one big tent and a bunch of tables. They may or may not “have a flap open”. This just seems like a loophole setup. Technically it is dining outside, but the plastic bubble seems worse to me.
skol asylum
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Anybody have some specific recommendations for kn95 masks for a 7th grader? Sizing these things is a pain. Not a tiny petite face but also not a large adult face.
Nathan R. Jessep
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the ones I linked in the last couple days have child sizes (and adjustable earloop elastic). BeHealthy is the site I ordered mine from, but they have other retailers I believe.
Doug B
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@belljr, I see what you're getting at. But no, the elevated levels of circulating antibodies post-vaccination don't affect either of the main types of COVID confirmation tests.belljr said:
Now ... antibody tests, which require a blood draw, are a whole different thing. Recent vaccination and/or infection will absolutely affect an antibody test.
The terminology can be confusing. The popular rapid tests that people use at home are antigen tests but not antibody tests. This link explains in layman's terms what an antigen test picks up.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Doug B
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Somehow, my PCR result was negative. Still waiting on my wife's and my son's results. My son's symptoms were a milder version of mine. My wife is the one with smell/taste affected.Doug B said:Yep, it's going around here like wildfire. We ate out twice the week after Christmas. One was outdoors as planned, but the other one was supposed to be outdoors except the place closed down last minute for lack of staff. Scrambled to find a place to go, ended up eating out indoors
Of the crew that was at the outdoor dinner, my BIL (sat next to me and across from my wife) has tested positive so far. Four more of us have tested and are waiting on results. I have no doubt my entire household is going through a COVID bout -- my wife lost taste/smell today, so probably Delta (?). My symptoms have ranged between mild and annoying, but nowhere near bad enough to consider the ER. Kids' symptoms are mild, but noticeable.
In our household, the three of us over 18 are double vaxxed + boosted in early December. My 15-year-old son was double vaxxed in June, was set to get his booster ASAP this month. Try again in February.
belljr
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While this is absolutely crazy, that is a private school. Not saying it makes it right just saying it's not up to the local government
Dezbelief
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kxan.com/news/texas/mother-charged-after-son-found-in-trunk-at-texas-covid-test-site/amp/
HOUSTON (AP) — A Houston mother was charged after authorities allege she placed her 13-year-old son in the trunk of her car to isolate him after he tested positive for COVID-19, then took him to a drive-thru testing site.
The 41-year-old is charged with endangering a child after authorities allege her son was found on Monday in her car’s trunk at a testing site for the Cypress-Fairbanks school district in northwest Houston.
The woman is a teacher with the school district, which says the child was not harmed.
The mother told a district official that she put her son in the trunk to prevent her from getting exposed to COVID-19 while taking him for additional testing.
HOUSTON (AP) — A Houston mother was charged after authorities allege she placed her 13-year-old son in the trunk of her car to isolate him after he tested positive for COVID-19, then took him to a drive-thru testing site.
The 41-year-old is charged with endangering a child after authorities allege her son was found on Monday in her car’s trunk at a testing site for the Cypress-Fairbanks school district in northwest Houston.
The woman is a teacher with the school district, which says the child was not harmed.
The mother told a district official that she put her son in the trunk to prevent her from getting exposed to COVID-19 while taking him for additional testing.
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Manster
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Doug B
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Could be private, but not necessarily. In Louisiana, charter schools are absolutely public schools. I understand it varies state by state.
ZADO
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In the end Common sense rules the day
Variants of the coronavirus have come to represent the ultimate danger: A curveball in our plans to bring an end to the pandemic that has ravaged our world and taken millions of lives. And here’s another one—omicron—that may embody the worst fear of pandemic observers, because it seems to evade some vaccine protections.
But a mutating virus might not necessarily be a specter of doom.
“If you think about a virus, what’s the purpose? What’s the virus trying to do?” asks Jared Auclair, who is an associate teaching professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Northeastern, leads the Biopharmaceutical Analysis Training Lab, and runs the university’s COVID-19 testing facility, the Life Sciences Testing Center in Burlington, Massachusetts.
It’s trying to stay alive, he says. And “if the virus kills someone, if it kills the host, it dies with the host. So it totally defeats the purpose.”
Jared Auclair, associate teaching professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Northeastern, head of the Biopharmaceutical Analysis Training Lab, and the university’s COVID-19 testing facility, the Life Sciences Testing Center in Burlington, Massachusetts. Photo by Adam Glanzman/Northeastern University
Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that’s what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/
Variants of the coronavirus have come to represent the ultimate danger: A curveball in our plans to bring an end to the pandemic that has ravaged our world and taken millions of lives. And here’s another one—omicron—that may embody the worst fear of pandemic observers, because it seems to evade some vaccine protections.
But a mutating virus might not necessarily be a specter of doom.
“If you think about a virus, what’s the purpose? What’s the virus trying to do?” asks Jared Auclair, who is an associate teaching professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Northeastern, leads the Biopharmaceutical Analysis Training Lab, and runs the university’s COVID-19 testing facility, the Life Sciences Testing Center in Burlington, Massachusetts.
It’s trying to stay alive, he says. And “if the virus kills someone, if it kills the host, it dies with the host. So it totally defeats the purpose.”
Jared Auclair, associate teaching professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Northeastern, head of the Biopharmaceutical Analysis Training Lab, and the university’s COVID-19 testing facility, the Life Sciences Testing Center in Burlington, Massachusetts. Photo by Adam Glanzman/Northeastern University
Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that’s what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/
Yep EVERYONE in NY has given up trying to contain this. We wear masks and basically just live life waiting to get this now. There's no such thing as close contacts anymore. Everyone has a close contact.
Good news again is hospitals are only at 50% of what they were during the 2020 initial surge. Majority of NYC is vaxxed. And every single person I know with this (around 40-50) have recovered back to 100% in about 4-5 days.
BigJim®
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If you don't have it now, but regularly coach and would not have worn a mask absent your circumstances in mask-less crowded gyms, this seems foreshadowing - JMHO. I'm glad I don't need to deal with crowds at my sons' intramural basketball games.
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IvanKaramazov
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I'm thinking of all the little kid basketball games I attended as a parent and struggling to see what purpose a mask could possibly serve in those settings. Not saying don't wear one, but I don't know that this sort of event could ever be made safe with NPIs.
BigJim®
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking safe. Safe is out the window. I was thinking safer. Mitigated risk. I don't really understand it when I see others apathetic to mitigating in any way. Unless society just wants to say there is nothing we can do. If that's the case, then we might as well actually do nothing. Why quarantine or mask at all?
AAABatteries
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Minus the majority being vaxxed, welcome to summer 2020 in most of Georgia outside Atlanta.
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Nathan R. Jessep
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how do I know things are reaching a critical point again here (my region)? The Walmart just closed at 2PM on a Saturday, until Monday, "for cleaning and sanitization" (which of course means they didn't have enough staff to keep it open)
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Doug B
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SpurrierisisGod
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Update on 5 year old covid+...
He's fine. Fever down to 99 this morning sans meds. No other symptoms other than a slightly stuffy nose.
Just a matter of time until his brother gets it. Just trying to mitigate the damage.
On a "it's all about me" slant though.... I mentioned I coach high school soccer. 37 kids between jv and Varsity. Jv coach just took another job so it's just me with 37 kids. If I go covid down, the program is hosed. Lack of administration involvement or feet dragging to find help is for a different thread. Hence the post last night about wth am I supposed to do about quarantine etc.
He's fine. Fever down to 99 this morning sans meds. No other symptoms other than a slightly stuffy nose.
Just a matter of time until his brother gets it. Just trying to mitigate the damage.
On a "it's all about me" slant though.... I mentioned I coach high school soccer. 37 kids between jv and Varsity. Jv coach just took another job so it's just me with 37 kids. If I go covid down, the program is hosed. Lack of administration involvement or feet dragging to find help is for a different thread. Hence the post last night about wth am I supposed to do about quarantine etc.
IvanKaramazov
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I was thinking along similar lines but a little differently and didn't explain it well. I'm envisioning hundreds of people packed into a hot, poorly-ventilated, cramped gym somewhere for a couple of hours at a time. We've established by now that I'm relatively laid-back about omicron compared to most of the other folks in this thread, and I think this is the kind of event that I probably would just skip altogether.
If I attended, it would be with the assumption that my mask isn't doing #### for me under these conditions, so I would probably just go maskless if I was laid back enough about omicron to attend in the first place, which I'm not which is why I'm staying home. Does that make sense? Sometimes things are sort of all-or-nothing, that what moleculo described sounded like that to me. (He's a great poster and doesn't need me to parent him -- just commenting).
BigJim®
Footballguy
I just don’t waste energy questioning masks. My own masking approach has been fluid with best known facts. I’d been to several Viking games without a mask, feeling like I was safe (first fully vaxxed, later following a breakthrough recovery). I felt safe, and believed my status made me incapable of contributing to the problem.
Post-omicron, I mask everywhere. it doesn’t make me feel invincible. My stance is more ‘can’t hurt this spread’ than ‘will stop this spread.’ The only exception was holiday gathering with my wife’s extended family. I still think that gathering was stupid, and my decision not to wear a mask goes beyond belief of mask futility. School events and shopping - I don’t question whether masks help or not, I just wear one. That could change.
Just to be 100% I did not mean to parent moleculo. I’m a fan. It’s more commentary on the apparent approach of his school district. Really think schools should be limiting spectators for the sake of enabling children to do sports. Fostering that sort of environment for everyone to get Covid is counter productive to that goal.
beer 30
Footballguy
If I didn’t know better, I’d say this person teaches in SC. This pretty much mirrors what my daughter has to do. She had a close contact last week so now has to use 5 sick days this coming week while she quarantines.
Ancillary note, this wave is washing over everyone, everywhere. We all knew it was going to happen but the speed of it is still pretty amazing. So my daughter (above) was over on Thursday, she got notified Friday. She is fine so don’t think she has it but she was here. Today my boss calls me and says he is positive. He never i work closely together and share a cube wall so now I’m quarantining for 5 days. I’d be very surprised if we all don’t contract this over the next month. No longer if but when. My other daughter was home for a few days before classes start again Monday. She was exposed to her sister, me and now one of her roommates that tested positive.
Last note, I hadn’t really thought about it but one of daughters friends tested positive last week for the original strain of COVID. It didn’t occur to me that it was still around this long after the start of the pandemic and with all these variants in the wild.
belljr
Footballguy
According to CDC you don't need to quarantine. Not saying you shouldn't or not too just letting you know in case you may need sick time later
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/quarantine-isolation.html#anchor_1633109360882
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massraider
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New York already feels like a shutdown.
There are a ton of people talking about how less deadly this is, but anecdotally, New Yorkers are not going out. Restaurants are shut down for lack of staff, or business or whatever, and the places that are open, are not busy.
What's shocking to me, is the young people. They are not scared of Covid, or at least they weren't. But they aren't going out. It's a quiet month any way, but it's REALLY quiet in neighborhoods that are busy every weekend. New Years looked like a Wednesday. Dead.
I don't know if this will reflect in other places, but it's odd that there is no shutdown, no curfew, and people are still not out.
There are a ton of people talking about how less deadly this is, but anecdotally, New Yorkers are not going out. Restaurants are shut down for lack of staff, or business or whatever, and the places that are open, are not busy.
What's shocking to me, is the young people. They are not scared of Covid, or at least they weren't. But they aren't going out. It's a quiet month any way, but it's REALLY quiet in neighborhoods that are busy every weekend. New Years looked like a Wednesday. Dead.
I don't know if this will reflect in other places, but it's odd that there is no shutdown, no curfew, and people are still not out.
Doug B
Footballguy
Joba did say a ton of people in the NYC area seem to have Omicron. Might simply be that many people self-quarantining -- or at least cutting out the fun stuff, the hanging out, dinners out, etc.
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