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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)
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gianmarco
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Tough sell for who? Most that have been vaccinated do so following medical advice and have seen the overall benefits of vaccination. So if a new variant comes out, which it almost certainly will, how does that change for those that continue to follow medical advice?
The Commish
Footballguy
What are the recommendations now? I don't even know. The bold can't happen soon enough. It's been four weeks at my kids' schools since they've had a "normal" week...one of those my son's entire grade was at home because there were no teachers and all the "volunteers" (read moms who sign up to do the chaperone thing on field trips) were sick too.IvanKaramazov said:
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It’s an offshoot of Omicron that appears to be more contagious and may evade PCR testing. The impact will depend on Omicron acquired immunity which some studies indicate may be minimal in those who had mild cases (most). Cases in South Africa are starting to rise again. Likely we will see another round of huge mild case numbers.
The good news the vaccine especially with a booster seems to do a great job at keeping these cases mild. Same is likely true with previous non-Omicron infection. The vaccine should still be a very easy sell.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That is the main issue -- will prior infection keep Omicron 2.0 at bay, and it so, for how long Also, how long are the booster shots effective against the Omicrons for, as we are getting to 4-6 months post boosters for people now.
I think the Omicron specific vaccine is coming....
The official recommendations are return to school/work after 5 days of asymptomatic and wear a mask for 5 additional days. Employers and schools have pretty much ignored the ‘asymptomatic’ part and expect everyone back after 5 days regardless.
I’ve been home with my daughter who tested positive with minor symptoms the last 5 days. Her school said she can come back on Friday but said DO NOT retest. The guidelines don’t require a negative test (they should) but to go out of your way to tell students not to test before returning is just asking for trouble. Our other daughter’s teacher came back still symptomatic and we suspect that our currently positive daughter was exposed by her best friend who came back while still coughing.
We definitely need to modify our strategies going forward but I don’t think having people return while still sick should be a part of it.
Battersbox
Footballguy
That's not really reflected on Worldometers. Definitely a slowing of cases receding, but doesn't look like they're rising again as yet. Not sure how accurate Worldometers is at this point though.
The Commish
Footballguy
are you in Florida too?
This sounds similar to what we are dealing with. It was even floated at one point that if you were asymptomatic you could still come to school, but i don't think our county took that route. Arizona - Florida but just not as good at it. I’ll be testing my daughter today (can return on Friday). If she’s positive, we’ll keep her home until Monday. But I’d be shocked if she was. None of the rest of the family tested positive or had symptoms, all but confirming our previous infections when we were symptomatic but never positive.are you in Florida too?
https://twitter.com/gab_h_r/status/1488882885994156032?s=21
This is one of the places I found the reports but I haven’t looked into the source yet.
Likely we will see that happening. The timeline matches up with the drug trials ending when cases start to rise again. My guess is that prior to approval there will be a recommendation for any booster and the Omicron specific once approved. My hope is that it covers other strains as well.
ZADO
Footballguy
A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' lockdowns did little to limit COVID deaths
Health News Florida | By Rick Mayer
Published February 2, 2022 at 9:58 AM EST
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths
Health News Florida | By Rick Mayer
Published February 2, 2022 at 9:58 AM EST
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths
ericttspikes
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Great to study in retrospect for ongoing and future policy, but at the time when they were rolling in refrigerator trucks to stack bodies in I think the reaction wasn't exactly "ill-founded". Fog of war and all.
ZADO
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Don't even understand what you mean. The entire outlook was foggy, still is to a large degree. When a virus that no one knows anything about starts killing so many people that morgues start stacking bodies in parking lots you would do what? Nothing? When corpses started floating down the Ganges and people were burning the dead in the street you think India's lockdown was "ill-founded". No one knew %$#& about what was going on in early 2020, they still don't really know what is going on today. No one even completely understood how it was spreading or how it was killing so many people, but doing nothing was the call? One thing is true for me after 2 years of the politicization of the virus, I'm completely on board for Darwinism to sort this all out.
beer 30
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Hey look everyone, a new guy! Welcome!! I recommend you keep your head down for a few days until you get the lay of the land. Things can get a little sporty around here
So just heard the requirements to get back in the office. I don't know which test it is but its the one where you spit in a cup and send it off to get analyzed, anyhow you have to take one of those and test negative. Then you have to take one a week for...ever? I guess?
So I'm thinking if you want to be in the office Monday, you have to test the prior Thursday to get the results back Sat-Sun? I don't know how quickly they turn those around. And then you do that every week until they say stop.
beer 30
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ZADO
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I can only speak for me, but I was very open two years ago about wanting to err on the side of over-reaction as opposed to under-reaction. Not anything like welding people inside their apartments or anything, but remote school, closed bars and restaurants, etc. were all 100% fine with me in 2020. I was saying then that if we did everything right, it would look as if we overreacted in hindsight. No regrets about that.
Post-vaccination is where things really went off the rails IMO. It's weird that it's been almost a year.
ZADO
Footballguy
I worked thru the entire 2 years ,my business was inspecting fire extinguishers in other peoples companies . We saw so many shutting down ,places we had inspected for decades . Many of them never reopened after endless lockdowns. The companies that stayed open survived . I never changed a thing i did before Covid other than wear a mask when i was required to . I never got the vaccine. I never got covid during the entire pandemic (until recently since i moved to Florida ,omicron im assuming as it wasnt bad) I was tested several times over that 2 years , once i got a cold from my Gf`s daughter and for surgeries ive had ,i always tested negative . From the get go i thought the lockdowns were unnecessary after seeing first hand what was happening. The companies that stayed open just implemented the necessary precautions and stayed open . I hope we have learned as a society what works and what doesnt,i just feel bad for all those companies and businesses that are no longer in service .
So we (unjabbed) created variants.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html
If we are to blame and the variants have made the virus weaker (which is a fact), then we saved the planet by resisting the juice. You jabbed should be thanking us. Without us, you are taking boosters ever month by now trying not to get covid. Instead we have a virus that now amounts to a cold.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html
If we are to blame and the variants have made the virus weaker (which is a fact), then we saved the planet by resisting the juice. You jabbed should be thanking us. Without us, you are taking boosters ever month by now trying not to get covid. Instead we have a virus that now amounts to a cold.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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ZADO
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
First off, I just want to thank you guys for sacrificing your own well being to help us all by bringing us the Omicron variant which will allegedly end Covid. But now that you heroes have brought us Omicron shouldn’t you get vaccinated right away before you create a bad variant that beats Omicron?so we`re kinda like ...heroes?
Dickies
Footballguy
The information I am reading suggests that Omicron is roughly half as deadly as Delta, but far more contagious. When you consider that Delta was more than twice as deadly as Alpha, we're basically dealing with a strain that is as deadly as Alpha, but far more contagious. Thousands of people are dying every day from Omicron, and the seven day death toll averages are actually higher than Delta at its peak. Granted, a lot has changed since Alpha. We have more than half the population vaccinated, and a significant chunk of the population has some level of natural immunity, but despite all of that thousands of people are dying. Seems a bit unwise to downplay the dangers Omicron poses.fatguyinalittlecoat said:
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Not totally sure, but I think @fatguyinalittlecoat was being sarcastic.
Or maybe he genuinely thinks that anti-vaxxers are the real heroes of the pandemic. Who can say?
Or maybe he genuinely thinks that anti-vaxxers are the real heroes of the pandemic. Who can say?
Sleestak
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Have been busy as hell planning the trip and hadn't had much time to check in here. I see I've not missed much of anything.
Barring any significant new developments, I think the signal to noise ratio of this thread has crossed into unreadable
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Doug B
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We were lucky to have this thread as clean as it was for as long as we did, I guess.Barring any significant new developments, I think the signal to noise ratio of this thread has crossed into unreadable
Still like see the occasional YLE drop and check out how it's going on the ground from our medical FBGs.
Im so glad you took time out of your extremely important schedule to drop in and tell us that. What would we do without you?Have been busy as hell planning the trip and hadn't had much time to check in here. I see I've not missed much of anything.
Barring any significant new developments, I think the signal to noise ratio of this thread has crossed into unreadable
ZADO
Footballguy
With so much pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2, we won’t know whether and to what extent Omicron is truly milder than previous variants “until we have big enough numbers on the truly unvaccinated,” says Sumit Chanda, an infectious disease expert at the Sanford-Burnham Medical Research Institute who’s worked on COVID-19 therapeutics.
Those who don’t have any prior immunity—whether that’s because they haven’t been vaccinated or infected or as a result of having disabilities, chronic illnesses, or conditions that leave them immunocompromised—are more likely to face severe symptoms and death as a result of an Omicron infection, researchers tell The Scientist.
“The reports from South Africa about a milder course are not necessarily applicable to patients with chronic conditions and the immunocompromised,” Sandra Ciesek, a virologist at Goethe University and the German Center for Infection Research, writes in an email to The Scientist. “I fear that, even with Omicron, we will see severe courses especially in these patient groups.”
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I’ve put most of the noisy people on ignore, which means the thread is a real quick read for me these days.Have been busy as hell planning the trip and hadn't had much time to check in here. I see I've not missed much of anything.
Barring any significant new developments, I think the signal to noise ratio of this thread has crossed into unreadable
i'm very sorry. i have lost people i know to this virus, though no close friends or relatives.I received a call from a dear old friend of mine today who notified me she has Covid. Older than me, almost 80 and in a home because of previously getting the flu, which lead to other failures, three years ago. Like millions of Americans never got the annual shot.
I'm proud to say one of the few people that I was able to gently nudge to get vaxxed. Her children have refused though and one of them had it and visited her. She told me that she is going to forgo any additional treatment however and if it's time to go, it's time to go. The decision isn't misinformation calculated, she has been so miserable for so long and has told me too many times that she just wished God would call her home.
This stupid virus. :(
i want to comment on your last sentence. some will consider my comment political, but i don't feel that way. i know you were expressing your sadness, and frustration and perhaps anger about the circumstance we continue to be in.
but the virus is not stupid. i am nearly certain that the virus is doing what it was designed to do. stupid, (to put things in the best possible light), was creating and funding the creation of the virus. i think it's important to at least recognize that we are not just victims of bad luck if we are to improve chances of not creating horrors in the future.
i'm not optimistic though. too many seem to be in hear no, see no evil mode, or if they do see, to move on to something more enjoyable, like attacking the other team, instead of endeavoring to hold those responsible accountable.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Yes, 6 billion vaccines at once would have done it! Path we took wasn't the worst but it wasn't good.
themeanmachine
Footballguy
I remember hearing about this possible link very early on in the pandemic, but hadn’t heard anything about it in a while.
Israeli study offers strongest proof yet of vitamin D’s power to fight COVID
Israeli study offers strongest proof yet of vitamin D’s power to fight COVID
Battersbox
Footballguy
I believe maintaining higher Vit D levels are critical. There is a mountain of data which correlates to better outcomes for Covid infection as well as other things.
It's a shame that the data gets dismissed so readily by so many. Often people will conflate the attempt to treat an infection with Vit D infusion with simply maintaining a higher level of D prior to any infection. The former has very little evidence to support it, while the latter has proven to be helpful in many studies.
beer 30
Footballguy
Oddly enough, I think I posted a link to it then but Rogan had Dr. Rhonda Patrick on in May 2020 specifically pushing Vitamin D and losing weight. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dPiWhRGxso8rcctfJ7fC6
Now there are people who are calling for his head, go figure.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
This post is from almost a year ago. Have been taking Vitamin D and Zinc daily since March 2020, along with a good multi-vitamin. I realize the science is still under debate, but I always viewed it as a "can't hurt" prospect with little downside.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Generally the worst case scenario is you get “very expensive urine” if Vitamin D doesn’t work. It’s not like injecting bleach or whatever.
Battersbox
Footballguy
A bit of a tangent, but I would advise anyone to have their Dr. order a test of their vitamin D levels at their next physical. Then, after supplementing for a year test it again. I had some health issues in 2019 and my D levels were like 18. Began supplementing daily and raised that to 70 (about 10 mos later). It's a process.
Almost everybody that lives in cold weather states generally has low Vitamin D levels unless they supplement.
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As stated elsewhere: Working in NIcaragua and Costa Rica for 5 weeks starting soon. Family is coming down for a week in Playa Smara Costa Rica.
My Brother and his wife are Anti-Vaxxers. Not the insane "spam-facebook-with-fake-news" types that end up on r/HermanCainAward, but they're not getting vaxxed. They've gotten COVID twice. My brother was nearly hospitalized despite being in fantastic shape and 41yo... but they're sticking to their guns. All good.
WELL... Costa Rica is re-considering their Vaccine Passport program due to ####loads of US/CAN anti-vax folks flooding beach towns, fighting already lax mask restrictions, and causing hot-spots of COVID to pop up in certain areas. Pro-tip.. if you're travelling abroad and fight locals on stuff like this while a guest in their country... you're a turd. Just stay home.
Anyway... IF this goes through, my brother and his wife are going to enjoy the trip a LOT less. They'll be unable to join us at any restaurants or bars. They won't be able to go on the Deep Sea fishing charter or the sunset booze cruises. They'll likely not be welcome into any shops to pick up souvenirs. They'll basically be stuck hanging at the condo/pool, and out on the beach. Not the end of the world, but they'll miss out on a lot.
Fingers crossed that CR doesn't pass it before we meet up with them in 6 weeks... but if they do, It'll be hard to blame them.
My Brother and his wife are Anti-Vaxxers. Not the insane "spam-facebook-with-fake-news" types that end up on r/HermanCainAward, but they're not getting vaxxed. They've gotten COVID twice. My brother was nearly hospitalized despite being in fantastic shape and 41yo... but they're sticking to their guns. All good.
WELL... Costa Rica is re-considering their Vaccine Passport program due to ####loads of US/CAN anti-vax folks flooding beach towns, fighting already lax mask restrictions, and causing hot-spots of COVID to pop up in certain areas. Pro-tip.. if you're travelling abroad and fight locals on stuff like this while a guest in their country... you're a turd. Just stay home.
Anyway... IF this goes through, my brother and his wife are going to enjoy the trip a LOT less. They'll be unable to join us at any restaurants or bars. They won't be able to go on the Deep Sea fishing charter or the sunset booze cruises. They'll likely not be welcome into any shops to pick up souvenirs. They'll basically be stuck hanging at the condo/pool, and out on the beach. Not the end of the world, but they'll miss out on a lot.
Fingers crossed that CR doesn't pass it before we meet up with them in 6 weeks... but if they do, It'll be hard to blame them.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Curious to get people's thoughts on this: I just found out that I will be going on a business trip to Israel at the end of next month. In addition to being a cool trip, it's also a great professional opportunity, as the CEO of my organization and a very high-ranking local politician will be on the trip, and I'll get to spend a good amount of time with them.
As you might expect, the rules for entering Israel are very strict: All attendees must be fully vaxxed (including a booster if it's been more than six months since your second shot), show a negative test result before you get on the plane, and then get tested again when you get there and briefly quarantine until that test comes back negative.
I'm fine with all that, but it occurred to me the other day that it would suuuuuck if at the last minute I tested positive and couldn't go. (I am triple vaxxed, but to the best of my knowledge, I have never had Covid.)
My initial reaction was that I'll have to make sure that I pretty much spend the week before I leave in a bubble. I was telling a friend about it, and he said, "You should host a Covid party now and get it over with. That way you'll eliminate the possibility of getting it closer to the trip."
I don't plan on doing that -- I wouldn't want to infect my family, my immunocompromised mother-in-law, or anyone else who might be vulnerable, plus the whole idea of Covid parties just seems really dumb -- but it did occur to me that, while I'm not going to go out of my way to get it, maybe I don't restrict myself unnecessarily for the time being. I've generally been pretty cautious even after getting vaccinated -- I wear masks in most indoor settings, try to eat outdoors when I'm at restaurants, and WFH like 95% of the time -- but maybe it's time to loosen up for the next few weeks, then lock it down a week or two before the trip.
What do you guys think? How would you handle the situation if it were you?
As you might expect, the rules for entering Israel are very strict: All attendees must be fully vaxxed (including a booster if it's been more than six months since your second shot), show a negative test result before you get on the plane, and then get tested again when you get there and briefly quarantine until that test comes back negative.
I'm fine with all that, but it occurred to me the other day that it would suuuuuck if at the last minute I tested positive and couldn't go. (I am triple vaxxed, but to the best of my knowledge, I have never had Covid.)
My initial reaction was that I'll have to make sure that I pretty much spend the week before I leave in a bubble. I was telling a friend about it, and he said, "You should host a Covid party now and get it over with. That way you'll eliminate the possibility of getting it closer to the trip."
I don't plan on doing that -- I wouldn't want to infect my family, my immunocompromised mother-in-law, or anyone else who might be vulnerable, plus the whole idea of Covid parties just seems really dumb -- but it did occur to me that, while I'm not going to go out of my way to get it, maybe I don't restrict myself unnecessarily for the time being. I've generally been pretty cautious even after getting vaccinated -- I wear masks in most indoor settings, try to eat outdoors when I'm at restaurants, and WFH like 95% of the time -- but maybe it's time to loosen up for the next few weeks, then lock it down a week or two before the trip.
What do you guys think? How would you handle the situation if it were you?
I'd keep doing what you've been doing since it's worked so far, probably take extra precautions the week before.
Also, not sure what the exact policies are, but you have to consider that if you do catch it in the next few weeks, it's possible that you'd still test positive at the time of your trip.
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I'm loosely in the same boat.
GF and I are both triple Vaxxed Moderna and have not been infected yet.
On Feb 16th we have to pass a PCR test to Fly into Nicaragua on Feb 19th. If we fail, we will lose a $2000 AirBNB reservation and likely incur another thousand or more in airfare changes... not to mention priceless lost experiences.
We're "locking down" against unnecessary interactions starting Monday (10 days prior to the test). I'll still be in the office for 2 days of video shoots. My team that's coming in town are pushing happy hour cocktails and such... I let them know I have to pass. Explained the reasons.. and they totally get it.
A week of laying low with the family isn't that big of a deal.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Good points. I mean, if I got it tomorrow, it's highly unlikely I would still be testing positive six weeks from now, but it is true that it could take some unpredictable paths.
What I realized thinking through this is that ultimately, the best way to ensure I don't get Covid is to not get Covid. (And also not to talk about Fight Club.)
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
One other thing working in my favor: The week before I go, my wife will be taking our older son on a spring break trip to DC, so it will just be me and the six-year-old (who, incidentally, had Covid over the holidays but didn't infect anyone else in the family). Point being, even if there were no Covid, it's not like I'd be out partying every night. And I'll be gone by the time they get back from their trip, so I don't even have to worry about them picking something up on the plane.
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