*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (8 Viewers)

[KGB]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

That's not the definition of vaccine.... never has been. That may be what you thought the definition was, but you're wrong

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

I've never heard of a FLU "vaccine" just a flu shot.

An archived CDC web page from May 2018 shows that the agency’s previous definition of vaccine was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”

this is no longer the defination.

and in my terms. vaccine "would protect you from a disease" it no longer means that. and thats kinda BS

Whether you realize it or not, you're inferring "100%" in your definitions...at least that's how it comes across. By that standard there's never been an actual "vaccine". These shots that we've been provided most definitely stimulated the immune system to produce immunity to disease and has protected millions from the disease..., especially death. Does the vaccine that was created before these current strands ever existed keep you from catching it 100%? No...of course not.

Come on... What were we vacinnated against? small pox, etc? Listen, i really have no fight in this game, I DGAS about what people do. The masks were crazy, especially the 2 masks lol.
I have no idea if smallpox was 100%. but I think pretty close??? what else were we all in the US vaccinated against? I think they did pretty well.


This new shot,ssssssss doesnt seem to stop the spread of anything. and if your thinking is, well, maybe you wont die if you get it, then fine, but dont call it a vaccine. call it a covid shot.

yeah, I think the government lied and Im sure I can find articles and videos where they say "take the shot to stop the spread" or something to that manner. and that was lying.

 

[KGB]

And BTW, this revisionism regarding the narrative that we thought the vaxxes would stop transmission and then later changed our minds when data proved they didn't is just that. Revisionism.

The reality is we knew from the original clinical trials that the vaxxes didn't stop transmission. But that inconvenient fact didn't stop the media and politicians from spinning it (i.e. lying) and telling everyone that they did stop transmission. Even worse, they used that blatant falsehood to divide us as either vaxxed virtuosos or dirty selfish grandma killers. They even went so far as to use that same narrative to justify destroying people's careers by convincing private industry and nearly all levels of govt into giving employees the 'choice' of jab or job. Disgustingly shameful period in our recent history, but it's important we remember it for what it was and not pretend it was something else, lest we allow them to do it again to us someday soon.

I think that was the big push on why EVERYONE should get the jab. I have no idea if it helps a little or none at all, being on the safe side when my wife is going through chemo was an easy decision for me... plus, I am under a couple of high risk categories. Last thing we need is me down with any significant illness when my wife is often times out for the count.

 

[KGB]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"??

"We" don't set the bar there. It's just people who are intentionally pretending to not understand that you can reduce the likelihood of something without reducing that likelihood all the way to zero point zero.

When people use this talking point, you should view it as an invitation to ignore them.

Are you saying you can reduce the likelihood of getting covid by getting a shot?

 

[KGB]

Also, why are they asking for 75 years before releasing data? thats fricking weird

 

[gianmarco]

and if your thinking is, well, maybe you wont die if you get it, then fine, but dont call it a vaccine. call it a covid shot.

It's been explained to you a couple times already here but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of vaccine and shot. Your statement I quoted is direct evidence of that. If you want to continue thinking the above, have at it, but it's wrong and it's not scientifically accurate or valid or consensus whatsoever.

Look no further than the well known flu vaccine.

Yes, it's a vaccine and has always been a vaccine. Just because it's commonly referred to as a "flu shot" doesn't change that it is, and always has been, a vaccine. It does not always protect you from catching the flu. And, as someone else pointed out, there's an intranasal version (nasal spray) that does the exact same thing. And it's not a "shot". There's a vaccine for rotavirus that is given by mouth. Not all vaccines are shots even though MOST vaccines are shots.

So, just because the word "shot" has been used to describe it doesn't change the fact that ALL of these substances used to help prevent and/or limit the effects of certain infectious diseases by activating our immune system are called vaccines. Whether they do so at a 99% effective rate or 10% effective rate, they are still called by the same name.

Arguing against the above and considering them separate items is no different than arguing that the Earth is flat. It's just wrong. So, hopefully you will educate yourself with the help of some of us here trying to point out the error in your thinking or you'll continue to stand by your thought process. Up to you.

 

[Doug B]

Are you saying you can reduce the likelihood of getting covid by getting a shot?

Of course you can.

People are out there thinking the vaccines have ZERO affect on transmission?

 

[Terminalxylem]

and if your thinking is, well, maybe you wont die if you get it, then fine, but dont call it a vaccine. call it a covid shot.

It's been explained to you a couple times already here but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of vaccine and shot. Your statement I quoted is direct evidence of that. If you want to continue thinking the above, have at it, but it's wrong and it's not scientifically accurate or valid or consensus whatsoever.

Look no further than the well known flu vaccine.

Yes, it's a vaccine and has always been a vaccine. Just because it's commonly referred to as a "flu shot" doesn't change that it is, and always has been, a vaccine. It does not always protect you from catching the flu. And, as someone else pointed out, there's an intranasal version (nasal spray) that does the exact same thing. And it's not a "shot". There's a vaccine for rotavirus that is given by mouth. Not all vaccines are shots even though MOST vaccines are shots.

So, just because the word "shot" has been used to describe it doesn't change the fact that ALL of these substances used to help prevent and/or limit the effects of certain infectious diseases by activating our immune system are called vaccines. Whether they do so at a 99% effective rate or 10% effective rate, they are still called by the same name.

Arguing against the above and considering them separate items is no different than arguing that the Earth is flat. It's just wrong. So, hopefully you will educate yourself with the help of some of us here trying to point out the error in your thinking or you'll continue to stand by your thought process. Up to you.

Great post, gianmarco. Shots, sprays and pills are all vaccines. Some vaccines prevent infection altogether, including transmission, while others limit severe disease. Still others lessen the risk of long term infectious complications, like shingles. Heck, some vaccines treat cancer as well.

All vaccines accomplish their goals by harnessing the body’s immune system. And they do so with varying success, as none are 100% effective.

It’s okay not knowing all those details, but refusing to revise your opinion once someone provides accurate info is the definition of bigotry.

 

[jobarules]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

 

[The Commish]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

That's not the definition of vaccine.... never has been. That may be what you thought the definition was, but you're wrong

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

I've never heard of a FLU "vaccine" just a flu shot.

An archived CDC web page from May 2018 shows that the agency’s previous definition of vaccine was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”

this is no longer the defination.

and in my terms. vaccine "would protect you from a disease" it no longer means that. and thats kinda BS

Whether you realize it or not, you're inferring "100%" in your definitions...at least that's how it comes across. By that standard there's never been an actual "vaccine". These shots that we've been provided most definitely stimulated the immune system to produce immunity to disease and has protected millions from the disease..., especially death. Does the vaccine that was created before these current strands ever existed keep you from catching it 100%? No...of course not.

Come on... What were we vacinnated against? small pox, etc? Listen, i really have no fight in this game, I DGAS about what people do. The masks were crazy, especially the 2 masks lol.
I have no idea if smallpox was 100%. but I think pretty close??? what else were we all in the US vaccinated against? I think they did pretty well.


This new shot,ssssssss doesnt seem to stop the spread of anything. and if your thinking is, well, maybe you wont die if you get it, then fine, but dont call it a vaccine. call it a covid shot.

yeah, I think the government lied and Im sure I can find articles and videos where they say "take the shot to stop the spread" or something to that manner. and that was lying.

If you're going to come up with your own definition for vaccine, then apply it objectively across all instances. That's all I ask. However, when you do, you'll realize that you are either wrong or there's no such thing as a vaccine according to you. That's a problem/feature with YOUR definition....not the definition most of the rest of the world knows and uses. I have no idea what you're talking about with masks and I'm not really all that interested in your subjective/circumstancial application of the definition you created. I think we're good here.

 

[The Commish]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

My wife had the really bad sore throat from the drainage. She bought some of those chloraseptic (sp?) throat drops and she said they helped a lot and was way better than their spray. Might want to give those a shot.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"??

"We" don't set the bar there. It's just people who are intentionally pretending to not understand that you can reduce the likelihood of something without reducing that likelihood all the way to zero point zero.

When people use this talking point, you should view it as an invitation to ignore them.

Are you saying you can reduce the likelihood of getting covid by getting a shot?

Yes.

 

[jobarules]

It’s weird (to me at least) how differently people see the vaccine. I never once took it thinking I would never get COVID - I just don’t want to die from it or even have a bad case. Same reason I get the flu shot. I do think messaging was bad and there was some wrong information on transmission (that also changed as the variants changed). But none of that mattered to me and still doesn’t.

Funny. I get the flu shot for the exact OPPOSITE reason. I don't fear a serious case or hospitalization. I just don't want to actually get the flu. All the years i got the flu shot i never got the flu. The one year i didnt i got the flu and it sucked for a few days. Don't wanna feel like that again. It's the same EXACT reason I got the original covid vaccine and booster. But once I started realizing it doesn't prevent infection I lost all interet in getting anymore boosters. If they get the efficacy up to a reasonable prevention level similar to at least the flu shot then I'll reconsider getting it.

 

[Doug B]

And, as someone else pointed out, there's an intranasal version (nasal spray) that does the exact same thing. And it's not a "shot". There's a vaccine for rotavirus that is given by mouth. Not all vaccines are shots even though MOST vaccines are shots.

One of the most famous vaccines of all time -- Albert Sabin's improved polio vaccine (1961) -- was an oral vaccine.

I'd bet that less than one in ten adult Americans today know the name "Albert Sabin" or how his vaccine was administered. Polio is "just gone now somehow" in a lot of minds.

 

[FairWarning]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

 

[LawFitz]

New law for 2023 in CA muzzles doctors from giving you anything but the mainstream narratives regarding Covid and vaccines...

COVID Misinformation (AB 2098)
This law allows doctors to face discipline for spreading so-called misinformation or disinformation about COVID-19—including information about vaccine effectiveness and other treatments—and categorizes it as unprofessional conduct.

Physicians and surgeons are regulated by the Medical Board. Under current law, the board is required to act against any licensed doctor who is charged with unprofessional conduct.

This is neither the time nor place to discuss the politics behind this law. This is simply a warning for anyone in CA who seeks the opinion(s) of medical professionals regarding Covid. They are now legally barred from telling you anything that doesn't toe the line. FYI.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

From the sources I follow, basically we don't know, and we won't know until after the fact bc China has chosen to mostly stop sharing public Covid info. I think they are attempting to do sequencing on flights out of China, but that's probably the best info we'll have for the time being and of course that will be delayed. They're even having to estimate number of cases, deaths, etc. But from what I've seen on Twitter (doctors, boots on the ground in hospitals, etc.) it's ugly.

 

[Doug B]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

This is not precisely known (see below), but there is a trickle of data coming out -- probably via travelers testing in Western countries like Italy:

... The best we can tell, BF.7 is spreading in China, which is an Omicron subvariant about 3 evolutionary steps behind what is spreading in most of the world. But, a new variant of concern could appear. (This is more possible than probable because transmission is high everywhere).

Just like cases and deaths, though, China is not reporting genomic data. In other words, we don’t know if and how the virus is changing and what it may (or may not) mean to the international community.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

BTW, the XBB.1.5 variant, the one rapidly on the way to dominance, originated right here in the U.S. (likely NY from what I am reading, but haven't seen that in a sharable official source yet, but makes sense since NY is usually the beginning of most of our surges in the U.S.)

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Perhaps worth mentioning that the CDC is now recommending masking again without explicitly mentioning that the majority of the country is in high transmission. And ZERO mention of HIGH QUALITY masks. FFS.

CDC
@CDCgov

Do your part to help protect yourself, your community, & our hospitals:  -Stay up to date on #COVID19 vaccines  -Test before going to large gatherings  -Wear a mask if you're in an area w/ high community transmission or if you choose  https://bit.ly/3bGvO6p #XBB.1.5

 

[Doug B]

Perhaps worth mentioning that the CDC is now recommending masking again without explicitly mentioning that the majority of the country is in high transmission. And ZERO mention of HIGH QUALITY masks. FFS.

CDC
@CDCgov

Do your part to help protect yourself, your community, & our hospitals:  -Stay up to date on #COVID19 vaccines  -Test before going to large gatherings  -Wear a mask if you're in an area w/ high community transmission or if you choose  https://bit.ly/3bGvO6p #XBB.1.5

The hitch is that people were generally masking in the recent past not due to CDC recommendations, but to state/local mandates.

From what I've seen, people around here in general are not prepared to embark on a cultural shift into "perma-masking" -- COVID-avoidance masking without some kind of off-ramp. It's not always as pat as "I don't want to mask anymore": many people essentially never mask in groceries or retail, say, but will mask when on an airplane or when visiting elderly relatives. So a case-by-case analysis in the moment is taking place.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Perhaps worth mentioning that the CDC is now recommending masking again without explicitly mentioning that the majority of the country is in high transmission. And ZERO mention of HIGH QUALITY masks. FFS.

CDC
@CDCgov

Do your part to help protect yourself, your community, & our hospitals:  -Stay up to date on #COVID19 vaccines  -Test before going to large gatherings  -Wear a mask if you're in an area w/ high community transmission or if you choose  https://bit.ly/3bGvO6p #XBB.1.5

The hitch is that people were generally masking in the recent past not due to CDC recommendations, but to state/local mandates.

From what I've seen, people around here in general are not prepared to embark on a cultural shift into "perma-masking" -- COVID-avoidance masking without some kind of off-ramp. It's not always as pat as "I don't want to mask anymore": many people essentially never mask in groceries or retail, say, but will mask when on an airplane or when visiting elderly relatives. So a case-by-case analysis in the moment is taking place.

Oh I agree completely and pretty much the same here in my area. People still coming to work with "cold symptoms" minus testing (bc it's not required or even encouraged any more). This is what frustrates me about their messaging. I'm definitely not advocating for mandates of any kind at this point, but a lack of improvement in the awful messaging (or complete lack of messaging) is doing us all a great disservice, IMHO. And until this last update we weren't in High transmission here yet. I go back to work Monday. I'm breaking out the KF94s again for any close quarters contact and I haven't worn a mask in months.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I'm sure this will make a huge difference in China SMH

WHO meets with Chinese officials on current COVID-19 situation

A high-level meeting took place on 30 December between WHO and China about the current surge in COVID-19 cases, to seek further information on the situation, and to offer WHO's expertise and further support.

www.who.int

 

[The Commish]

How is this thread still up?

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

How is this thread still up?

Why would it not be?

 

[The Commish]

How is this thread still up?

Why would it not be?

Politics in the FFA.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

How is this thread still up?

Why would it not be?

Politics in the FFA.

Hmm, well I'm happy to delete anything the mods deem political. I don't think I've said anything political other than disagreeing with the generally poor messaging but, IMO, that's not inherently political in nature, it's more in relation to the general health of the public. It's hard to get around posting announcements by the country's public health authority in the middle of an ongoing pandemic, but if mods disagree, then OK. No more CDC mentions? If that's what mods want, then let's hear it.

 

[The Commish]

How is this thread still up?

Why would it not be?

Politics in the FFA.

Hmm, well I'm happy to delete anything the mods deem political. I don't think I've said anything political other than disagreeing with the generally poor messaging but, IMO, that's not inherently political in nature, it's more in relation to the general health of the public. It's hard to get around posting announcements by the country's public health authority in the middle of an ongoing pandemic, but if mods disagree, then OK. No more CDC mentions? If that's what mods want, then let's hear it.

It's not you. I don't know how you've done it in this thread. Keep it up until they get it locked.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in China.

 

[TripItUp]

Perhaps worth mentioning that the CDC is now recommending masking again without explicitly mentioning that the majority of the country is in high transmission. And ZERO mention of HIGH QUALITY masks. FFS.

CDC
@CDCgov

Do your part to help protect yourself, your community, & our hospitals:  -Stay up to date on #COVID19 vaccines  -Test before going to large gatherings  -Wear a mask if you're in an area w/ high community transmission or if you choose  https://bit.ly/3bGvO6p #XBB.1.5

The hitch is that people were generally masking in the recent past not due to CDC recommendations, but to state/local mandates.

From what I've seen, people around here in general are not prepared to embark on a cultural shift into "perma-masking" -- COVID-avoidance masking without some kind of off-ramp. It's not always as pat as "I don't want to mask anymore": many people essentially never mask in groceries or retail, say, but will mask when on an airplane or when visiting elderly relatives. So a case-by-case analysis in the moment is taking place.

Oh I agree completely and pretty much the same here in my area. People still coming to work with "cold symptoms" minus testing (bc it's not required or even encouraged any more). This is what frustrates me about their messaging. I'm definitely not advocating for mandates of any kind at this point, but a lack of improvement in the awful messaging (or complete lack of messaging) is doing us all a great disservice, IMHO. And until this last update we weren't in High transmission here yet. I go back to work Monday. I'm breaking out the KF94s again for any close quarters contact and I haven't worn a mask in months.

Is more govt messaging really necessary?

Old and fat people are at risk.

Take the necessary precautions.

 

[FairWarning]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in China.

An interesting angle that I didn’t consider.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

 

[Scoresman]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

 

[belljr]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

My work isn't but my pay is. Pay me to stay home and I will

Eta: I'm lucky now that I have ample time off. But when you are only getting 5-15 days off damn right im coming in

 

[fruity pebbles]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

My work isn't but my pay is. Pay me to stay home and I will

Eta: I'm lucky now that I have ample time off. But when you are only getting 5-15 days off damn right im coming in

That’s just it. New nurses start off with 10 days of PTO. If they likely got covid at work because the hospital is no longer testing patients with no symptoms, it’s a tough pill to swallow.

 

[belljr]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

My work isn't but my pay is. Pay me to stay home and I will

Eta: I'm lucky now that I have ample time off. But when you are only getting 5-15 days off damn right im coming in

That’s just it. New nurses start off with 10 days of PTO. If they likely got covid at work because the hospital is no longer testing patients with no symptoms, it’s a tough pill to swallow.

Yep. I mean I agree we should stay home but if it's going to end up taking money out of my pocket.

 

[The Commish]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in China.

Given our collective reaction as a country, it's utterly shocking to me that we haven't been the source of multiple variants yet.

 

[Scoresman]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in China.

Given our collective reaction as a country, it's utterly shocking to me that we haven't been the source of multiple variants yet.

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Places like India where many variants come from don’t have the same means we do.

 

[FairWarning]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in ChinGiven our collective reaction as a country, it's utterly shocking to me that we haven't been the source of multiple variants yet.co

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Places like India where many variants come from don’t have the same means we do.

how is the country doing that didn’t shut down (Sweden?)

 

[IvanKaramazov]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

 

[FairWarning]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

Having the Chinese government weld the doors shut in apartments isn’t very scientific, nor a quality existence.

 

[jobarules]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

Some people may have no choice to put food on the table. Once again get off your high horse.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

Having the Chinese government weld the doors shut in apartments isn’t very scientific, nor a quality existence.

"We could have contained this virus, if it weren't for our freedom-loving ways," said the guy watching China's zero-covid policy collapse in real time.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in ChinGiven our collective reaction as a country, it's utterly shocking to me that we haven't been the source of multiple variants yet.co

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Places like India where many variants come from don’t have the same means we do.

how is the country doing that didn’t shut down (Sweden?)

Sweden has been an interesting one to follow. From the outside, it looked like they "did nothing" but I also read somewhere that something like ~80% of Swedes surveyed indicated that they changed their behaviors (masking, traveling, no large gatherings, etc.) -without having been told to. Interestingly enough, compared to the larger neighboring countries their approach looked to work. Compared to Norway, though, which is more closely relatable in population density from what I've been able to find, not nearly as good. And according to https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#explore-the-global-situation Sweden has the highest daily average deaths the past couple weeks. And also experiencing a winter surge like most places. Not sure about their current vaccination campaign (or which vaxes they use).

 

[FairWarning]

The covid that is spreading thru China now, is it a different variant?

BF7 seems to be the leader in the clubhouse in China from what I've been able to find thus far. BF7 has been here in the U.S. since Septemberish. Since we've decided to just let XBB rip, I think there's just as likely a chance that WE generate a bad new variant here now as there is what's going on in ChinGiven our collective reaction as a country, it's utterly shocking to me that we haven't been the source of multiple variants yet.co

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Places like India where many variants come from don’t have the same means we do.

how is the country doing that didn’t shut down (Sweden?)

Sweden has been an interesting one to follow. From the outside, it looked like they "did nothing" but I also read somewhere that something like ~80% of Swedes surveyed indicated that they changed their behaviors (masking, traveling, no large gatherings, etc.) -without having been told to. Interestingly enough, compared to the larger neighboring countries their approach looked to work. Compared to Norway, though, which is more closely relatable in population density from what I've been able to find, not nearly as good. And according to https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#explore-the-global-situation Sweden has the highest daily average deaths the past couple weeks. And also experiencing a winter surge like most places. Not sure about their current vaccination campaign (or which vaxes they use).

I figured they would be somewhat in the middle. If it were very good or very bad, it seems like it would be in the news.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

The “flu shot” is a vaccine.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

That's not the definition of vaccine.... never has been. That may be what you thought the definition was, but you're wrong

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

I've never heard of a FLU "vaccine" just a flu shot.

An archived CDC web page from May 2018 shows that the agency’s previous definition of vaccine was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”

this is no longer the defination.

and in my terms. vaccine "would protect you from a disease" it no longer means that. and thats kinda BS

Whether you realize it or not, you're inferring "100%" in your definitions...at least that's how it comes across. By that standard there's never been an actual "vaccine". These shots that we've been provided most definitely stimulated the immune system to produce immunity to disease and has protected millions from the disease..., especially death. Does the vaccine that was created before these current strands ever existed keep you from catching it 100%? No...of course not.

Come on... What were we vacinnated against? small pox, etc? Listen, i really have no fight in this game, I DGAS about what people do. The masks were crazy, especially the 2 masks lol.
I have no idea if smallpox was 100%. but I think pretty close??? what else were we all in the US vaccinated against? I think they did pretty well.


This new shot,ssssssss doesnt seem to stop the spread of anything. and if your thinking is, well, maybe you wont die if you get it, then fine, but dont call it a vaccine. call it a covid shot.

yeah, I think the government lied and Im sure I can find articles and videos where they say "take the shot to stop the spread" or something to that manner. and that was lying.

The “shot” did do that against the original strain that it was designed to combat. Delta and later omicron multiplied too fast in the nasal pharynx to prevent spread. But the vaccine and immune system reacts swiftly enough to prevent the virus from moving throughout the body basically. So less illness/symptoms and hospitalizations and death.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

Having the Chinese government weld the doors shut in apartments isn’t very scientific, nor a quality existence.

"We could have contained this virus, if it weren't for our freedom-loving ways," said the guy watching China's zero-covid policy collapse in real time.

I am amazed by the lack of vaccine penetration there. And their refusal to use the “better” ones as well. You would think if they were locking people in their homes that they would also be going door to door with syringes.

 

[Scoresman]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

Being safe doesn't mean you have to give all of those things up. You can be safe without isolating.

 

[Scoresman]

Day 5 for me and all my symptoms are gone except my sore throat hurts just as much as day 2 when it developed. Google says this is fairly common with Omicron and I tend to have bad sore throats whenever I get sick but I need some relief. I can't take this sore throat anymore.

My 13 year old also caught covid from me. His symptoms lasted a day and were limited to a stuffy nose. I'm glad he didn't get it as bad as me. We made the choice not to get him vaccinated and comfortable with that decision.

Me as well. Day 5, sore throat the worst part. Squeezed in under the wire. Jan 1st the hospital is no longer paying us for covid absences likely acquired at work. Have to use your own sick time. It couldn’t last forever but employees are just going to not test and go to work ill I fear.

Going to work sick needs to go away, forever. Even without COVID. People who do it need to be ostracized. It’s so dumb. Your job isn’t that important.

Some people may have no choice to put food on the table. Once again get off your high horse.

Fair enough. In those situations, that's when employers need to step up and offer better sick time benefits. The work culture in America rewards and praises people for showing up and continuing to work hard even when sick. That needs to go away.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

We should be ashamed because we have the means to keep COVID under better control but don’t because FREEDOM.

Covid isn't the only thing people care about. We also value stuff like spending time with family, going to work, watching sports events, hanging out in bars, our kids' education, etc. "Getting covid under control" (to your satisfaction) involves costs that the overwhelming majority of us are unwilling to pay. I know you know this, but the unwillingness to acknowledge the existence of societal tradeoffs seems to be one of those intellectual dead-ends, like "it's not really a vaccine."

Being safe doesn't mean you have to give all of those things up. You can be safe without isolating.

No you can't. You're accepting some risk every time you leave your house. It's not a fundamentally different type of risk than what you experience every time you decide to drive your car on the road. You can wear a seat belt, drive the speed limit, and come to a complete stop at stop signs, but that just makes you safer, not safe.