IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Which one has less empirical support: mask mandates, or ivermectin?
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Well, that's my contribution to this thread for the weekend. See you guys Monday.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Thanks for the response. I don’t believe in most conspiracy theories and tend to put my trust in medical experts.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Is neither an option?
The Commish
Footballguy
By the way....anyone interested in the entirety of what Hamlin said, here's the entire interview:
www.youtube.com
If you don't want to watch, you'll be shocked to know the "edited" version presented here (above) isn't really all that honest and it's rather obvious that Hamlin is still trying to process the fact that he basically died and was brought back to life and isn't really ready to talk about the event.
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If you don't want to watch, you'll be shocked to know the "edited" version presented here (above) isn't really all that honest and it's rather obvious that Hamlin is still trying to process the fact that he basically died and was brought back to life and isn't really ready to talk about the event.
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Insoxicated
Do you actually read/vet source before you share them or just blindly re-share if it fits your agenda?
I only ask because the one you shared is pretty clearly fake news. His screen grab claims something that isn't true, ivermectin is NOT mentioned as a treatment on the NIH page that he links to, like he claims.
It was listed on that site at the time of the tweet and they later removed it to continue your brainwashing. Before Covid, they considered Ivermectin a ground breaking wonder drug, and deployed it worldwide to humans in the billions without issue.
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Suddenly post-Covid it's just a horse dewormer. Yeah, right. IVM worked wonders on Covid in India and Brazil among masses. It also worked wonders on Covid here in the USA, but sadly, only for the few of us that were aware to take it.
@LawFitz : Just to be clear....
1) The tweet you shared (falsely) claimed "NIH listed Ivermectin as an Antiviral treatment for covid"
2) You quoted his post implying it was proof NIH recognizes Ivermectin as a treatment for covid without checking the actual source
however...
3) NIH never listed it as a treatment, but instead said it was being evaluated to see if it was a treatment (as shown in his screen grab)
4) That evaluation later found that Ivermectin was ineffective at treating COVID, and Ivermectin was subsequently removed from the NIH site
5) After it was pointed out you were blindly sharing links with misinformation without validating their accuracy, you called us Brainwashed.
Just making sure I've got this all correct?
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Appreciate your tone and approach, thank you.
I used to be of similar mindset. But too many conspiracy theories have turned into facts, especially over the last three years related to Covid. And there are plenty of medical professionals out there that vouch for and utilize Ivermectin to tremendous effect, for Covid and a number or other ailments. We had/have our miracle drug all along but unfortunately, it is out of patent so they couldn't make billions off of it, like they did with the vaxxes. Brought to you by Pfizer pulled in $100 B in revenues last year. 100 billion reasons why they've lied to us.
LawFitz
Footballguy
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
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Insoxicated
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
I was referring to the NIH study, not the Brazilian study, as that is the study relevant to his tweeted claim.
With that clarified, was my recounting of the exchange accurate?
1) He wrongly claimed NIH listed Ivermectin as effective
2) You shared his post without looking at the source
3) He was wrong, NIH never approved it as effective, just it was evaluating it.
4) That NIH evaluation found Ivermectin to be ineffective
5) You called us brainwashed despite sharing obviously false tweets without verifying the source
If any of the 5 points I shared are incorrect please show me where I was wrong
LawFitz
Footballguy
From his tweet...
"The most recent study in Brazil of 88,012 people found Ivermectin cut the chance of COVID death by 92%"
And the NIH did in fact list IVM as a Covid treatment at that time. You keep wanting to find a gotcha, but you are completely missing the forrest for the trees as you do so. That is how strong they have hold of you. All good, I will keep trying to help you see them for who they are.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
This is like a Who’s Hottest contest between an offdee 1 and an offdee 2 - sure, one of them will win but I’m not sure it proves anything.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
You can't say "don't take offense" when you call someone brainwashed. You are putting yourself in an enlightened position talking down to others. You quickly posted that a "trusted" source with the NIH stated it was an effective treatment for COVID until someone pointed out that it was a fake tweet. Rather than admit that you posted something without fully reading it, you doubled down and said it was on the NIH site until they realized it was hampering brainwashing efforts. In an effort to add legitimacy to your claim, you searched for ivermectin on the NIH site, and found an article calling it a wonder drug. I read the entire article, and it is a wonder drug that moved from the animal world to human use... for removing parasites (Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis). It is a helpful drug for that, but there have been no legitimate studies proving ivermectin as a wonder drug for COVID.
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
I am distrustful of Big Pharma, and I think the effects of their price structure on the US health system are abhorrent. I was hesitant to take the vaccine at first just because I was worried about the speed of which they were developed and the potential long term effects (I did get the shot and booster eventually). I find it interesting when one side regards their side as absolute truth and looks and talks down to those who are "uninformed".
growlers
Footballguy
The Brazilian "study" in question was observational only, wasn't randomized, the "data" is from mid-2020, there was only 283 cases among the people taking ivermectin, it wasn't dose controlled, and uses post-hoc analysis to come to a conclusion. The "study" design is a classic example of data-dredging, and would never ever be published in any reputable journal. It also was looking at ivermectin for prophylaxis, not for treatment.
The "study" is "published' on a site that anyone can pay a fee and submit their paper. It would never survive peer review done by a medical student, let alone a medical journal.
And it wasn't a study of 88,012 people, try reading the paper. All post-hoc analysis.
Ivermectin subsequently went through numerous well-designed randomized controlled trials done by multiple countries and published in reputable journals, for both prophylaxis and treatment, and was found to be ineffective.
The "study" is "published' on a site that anyone can pay a fee and submit their paper. It would never survive peer review done by a medical student, let alone a medical journal.
And it wasn't a study of 88,012 people, try reading the paper. All post-hoc analysis.
Ivermectin subsequently went through numerous well-designed randomized controlled trials done by multiple countries and published in reputable journals, for both prophylaxis and treatment, and was found to be ineffective.
The Commish
Footballguy
All points made the last time this "study" was brought up.
Masks, not really a debate. What little data there is to support the use of masks went out the window day 1 in the real world.
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Insoxicated
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
I was referring to the NIH study, not the Brazilian study, as that is the study relevant to his tweeted claim.
With that clarified, was my recounting of the exchange accurate?
1) He wrongly claimed NIH listed Ivermectin as effective
2) You shared his post without looking at the source
3) He was wrong, NIH never approved it as effective, just it was evaluating it.
4) That NIH evaluation found Ivermectin to be ineffective
5) You called us brainwashed despite sharing obviously false tweets without verifying the source
If any of the 5 points I shared are incorrect please show me where I was wrong
Tap tap... this thing on?
I promise, nobody sees you desperately tapdancing to another topic rather than admit what you did here. It's not obvious..... don't worry, I'll keep it between us (Wink wink)
Maybe bookmark this for next time you're wondering why nobody takes most of your sources (or you) seriously
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He is reluctant to talk about it because of all the people who were harassing him and his family saying that he was actually dead and that there was some big coverup/conspiracy.So is it acceptable now to ask what happened to Damar Hamlin? Commotio Cordis is highly unlikely, so what was it that caused this young man to cardiac arrest?
He himself seems to have an idea but is very reluctant to share. Interesting.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So Idaho is making it a criminal act to administer an mRNA vaccine?
jamny
Footballguy
No.
2 dopey lawmakers introduced a bill that isn't expected to go anywhere.
Scoresman
Footballguy
If it fits the narrative, why not?
If the vaccines can cause people to fall off mountains or drown, this isn’t much of a stretch.
The General
Footballguy
Seemed a pretty obvious joke / statement about trains being gross.
Do you understand it or are you trying to sound credibly critical while not understanding it?
My business is through the roof. I can't keep up. Not a flex.
I do peripheral and coronary cases. I see vaccinated, unvaccinated. Boosted, boosted once, not boosted. Younger than ever.
Either the vaccination does not help in this regard, or causes the same in this regard, or doesn't prevent these symptoms when the vaccinated get covid.
Whatever your take is, I don't see the moral high horse here.
I do peripheral and coronary cases. I see vaccinated, unvaccinated. Boosted, boosted once, not boosted. Younger than ever.
Either the vaccination does not help in this regard, or causes the same in this regard, or doesn't prevent these symptoms when the vaccinated get covid.
Whatever your take is, I don't see the moral high horse here.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
What type of business, specifically?
I work in a hospital, and haven’t noticed an uptick in vascular pathology among younger people, independent of traditional risk factors. Definitely not anything temporally related to vaccination. I have seen a smattering of vascular/cardiac events in actively/recently infected people though.
My good friend, a cardiologist, has been busy (like virtually all healthcare workers), but he hasn’t noticed what you describe, either.
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Insoxicated
What is your observed incident rate for vaccinated folks who have never been diagnosed with covid, relative to the rest of the population?
fatness
Footballguy
The ivermectin advocates influenced other people to use ivermectin instead of getting an mrna vaccine. So did the hydroxychloroquinine advocates before them. Both of those were and are fake treatments, and the advocates influenced and pressured other people to refuse mrna vaccines and take them.
Antivaxxers not only influenced people to refuse helpful mrna vaccinations, but they blocked access to vaccination sites, got some of them shut down, and bombarded the internet with false narratives that continue to this day, and even in this thread.
"Didn't inflict much harm on others" is incorrect.
fatness
Footballguy
If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying what @LawFitz said about ivermectin being a miracle drug is a lie.I'll help:
Here's the tweet from September 2022: https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1566087211442999299
here's the study (on some site called Cureus??): https://www.cureus.com/articles/111...ly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#!/
Here's the page (according to tweet replies IVM was at one time listed on the page in a paragraph of text as "under review" and has since been removed):
Antivirals, Including Antibody Products | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
These sections summarize the data on antiviral agents, including remdesivir, ritonavir-boosted nirmatrelvir, and anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies.www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
And I think I'm understanding you correctly, having read his links and yours. You've backed your assertion up and he has not.
fatness
Footballguy
That's already answered over in the Shark Pool. But go ahead and be ghoulish.
fatness
Footballguy
No, a couple lawmakers introduced a bill to try to get press attention of their virtue signalling to morons.
fatness
Footballguy
How about asking a more honest question:
Which one has less empirical support?
- mask mandates
- ivermectin mandates
- mrna vaccination mandates?
or
Which on has less empirical support?
- individual masking
- individual using ivermectin
- individual getting mrna vaccination
Apples should be compared to apples.
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Insoxicated
Except it wasn't.Did your source claim it was:
1) it was listed as an antiviral treatment
2) it was being evaluated for use as an antiviral treatment
(We all know the answer, just want to hear you say it).
Or you can keep tap dancing around the facts because you got caught sharing fake news. Again.
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Good for him, we have been increasingly slammed. From PAD to DVT to PE to PCI. All up... PE and DVT massively up.
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Insoxicated
New paper on COVID's major role in increased cardiac events.
"New study on deceased covid patients shows that Covid causes heart damage that may lead to 'sudden cardiac death' and gives an eye opening look at fibrosis of the heart in covid patients."
"New study on deceased covid patients shows that Covid causes heart damage that may lead to 'sudden cardiac death' and gives an eye opening look at fibrosis of the heart in covid patients."
LawFitz
Footballguy
Why didn't you note the two obvious and major issues with this 'study'?
Sample size and drumroll... vax status.
Two years ago some said the vax effects would be blamed on Long Covid.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Ghoulish, please. I didn't say a word about Damar's possible injury cause until a. he recovered; and b. he gave a very odd response when asked about the cause.
I see we aren't allowed to talk about it even now, without being insulted by people like you. Shameful.
LawFitz
Footballguy
How convenient now that everyone has had Covid. How about asking him how many unvaxxed patients he's seeing? Thankfully we still have 20% out there who never took any of your shots as a true control.
Another issue is the sudden shift to protect patient privacy, when before people were demanding to see status so that the unvaxxed could be denied services or even fired from jobs.
culdeus
Footballguy
I mean this is a known thing right? Even anecdotal i know of two guys about my age with heart issues that suddenly dropped dead a month or two after COVID. Was pretty sure this was the main factor in excess mortality?
One was a great buddy of mine and got super lucky. Was on a camping trip and he cut it short feeling light headed. Had a widowmaker in the parking lot of a hospital, driving home. Made it 3 more years and I always assumed COVID got him. Left three kids.
Other was extreme obese with no heart attack but treated for a fib and a few others. Dropped dead in sleep. Both under 50.
The Commish
Footballguy
Looks like it needs to be said again....body doesn't distinguish between an antigen introduced via vaccine vs via virus. It doesn't give a ****. That means if people are going to pound on vaccines as the "cause" of the problems, there's another ingredient (or set of ingredients) that they identify as problematic. It's weird how NONE of the assertions come with that tidbit of information. We do get lots of "maybes" and "possible" and "could be" comments. We get ZERO "likely" or "probable" or "is".
Again....lots of theories....nothing of substance.
Again....lots of theories....nothing of substance.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Precovid miracle, post-covid pariah.
"shown to have potent antiviral action against HIV-1 and dengue viruses, both of which are dependent on the importin protein superfamily for several key cellular processes. Ivermectin may be of import in disrupting HIV-1 integrase in HIV-1 as well as NS-5 (non-structural protein 5) polymerase in dengue viruses.99, 100"
Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations - The Journal of Antibiotics
Over the past decade, the global scientific community have begun to recognize the unmatched value of an extraordinary drug, ivermectin, that originates from a single microbe unearthed from soil in Japan. Work on ivermectin has seen its discoverer, Satoshi Ōmura, of Tokyo’s prestigious Kitasato...
www.nature.com
Google or better yet DuckDuckGo 'Ivermectin antiviral' to see the miracle your eyes have been blinded from thus far.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Painful question, I know. Sorry to have to ask... Did you at all consider their vax history? What was it in terms of uptake and timing? ADE was a huge concern with mRNA tech prior to Covid. Could that have played here?
Sorry for your loss.
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Insoxicated
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
I was referring to the NIH study, not the Brazilian study, as that is the study relevant to his tweeted claim.
With that clarified, was my recounting of the exchange accurate?
1) He wrongly claimed NIH listed Ivermectin as effective
2) You shared his post without looking at the source
3) He was wrong, NIH never approved it as effective, just it was evaluating it.
4) That NIH evaluation found Ivermectin to be ineffective
5) You called us brainwashed despite sharing obviously false tweets without verifying the source
If any of the 5 points I shared are incorrect please show me where I was wrong
Did your source claim it was:
1) it was listed as an antiviral treatment
2) it was being evaluated for use as an antiviral treatment
(We all know the answer, just want to hear you say it).
Or you can keep tap dancing around the facts because you got caught sharing fake news. Again.
It's weird how Law Fitz keeps hiding from being caught posting blatantly fake news... again.
The Commish
Footballguy
While we're at it...."ADE" stands for Antibody-dependent Enhancement. It's bullet point #1 in 99.9999999999% of vaccine creations in the history of vaccines. It's NOT unique to mRNA and it IS one of the driving factors in "effectiveness" of vaccines as they are evaluated.
One line explanation:
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Doug B
Footballguy
Covid can cause heart problems. Here's how the virus may do its damage (NBC News, 2/20/2023)
Scientists who studied human hearts found that infection appeared to make it harder for them to beat properly
Not yet peer-reviewed, but replicative studies are ongoing.
Scientists who studied human hearts found that infection appeared to make it harder for them to beat properly
Not yet peer-reviewed, but replicative studies are ongoing.
LawFitz
Footballguy
You missed the part about the study that showed 90%+ effectiveness against death in a group of 80k+ in Brazil. And the IVM miracle in Uttar Pradesh, India. And all the doctors who have been using it to effectively treat Covid the last two years. And the institutional opinions about IVM pre-Covid. Here it is again... Miracle antiviral. What kind of bug is Covid again?
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
And don't take offense to the term brainwashed. It's what they do. Intentionally and with unbelievably great effect. It's their fault, not yours, unless/until you start becoming belligerent to people like me who try in good faith to help. As said, it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled. Slowly but surely the truth is trickling out everywhere else online, except it seems this forum where too many folks seem cognitively dissonant when it comes to anything that counters their dogma about trusting 'The Science.' Sadly, science has been corrupted by financial and political interests.
I was referring to the NIH study, not the Brazilian study, as that is the study relevant to his tweeted claim.
With that clarified, was my recounting of the exchange accurate?
1) He wrongly claimed NIH listed Ivermectin as effective
2) You shared his post without looking at the source
3) He was wrong, NIH never approved it as effective, just it was evaluating it.
4) That NIH evaluation found Ivermectin to be ineffective
5) You called us brainwashed despite sharing obviously false tweets without verifying the source
If any of the 5 points I shared are incorrect please show me where I was wrong
Did your source claim it was:
1) it was listed as an antiviral treatment
2) it was being evaluated for use as an antiviral treatment
(We all know the answer, just want to hear you say it).
Or you can keep tap dancing around the facts because you got caught sharing fake news. Again.
It's weird how Law Fitz keeps hiding from being caught posting blatantly fake news... again.
It's weird how hung up you are on a half gotcha at best. NIH posted IVM at that time as a Covid treatment. Then they conveniently removed it, which you conveniently keep dismissing.
Also convenient of you to dismiss the 80k person Brazilian study that found 90%+ effectiveness for IVM. Or the Uddar Predesh example. Always convenient with peeps like you. Carry on your half gotcha though, since it's all you have to hang on.
Miracle drug. Deal with it, because the truth is out there and slowly coming to light.
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Insoxicated
AGAIN (4th time?).... Please show your proof of NIH listing IVM as an approved Covid Treatment.
Are you talking about this screen grab in the tweet that you shared listing it as being evaluated for treatment?
If you mistakenly are, I am happy to help ya out by explaining how the "evaluation > approval" pipeline works. I'm a nice guy like that.
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The Commish
Footballguy
And yes, there is a difference between "possible COVID treatment" and "approved COVID treatment". I have YET to see a study where ivermectin was given as the sole treatment. It was ALWAYS given as part of a cocktail of drugs VERY early on. So was remdesivir. NEITHER have EVER qualified as "approved COVID treatment" on their own...both were part of a cocktail treatment that had mixed results at best.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What year is this?
The Commish
Footballguy
checks notes:
1. masks still pissing people off.
2. ivermectin is a miracle drug.
2020/21??
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