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I wouldn't go so far as to call myself a doubter, but I wasn't completely sold© They definitely looked good today©The funny thing is, they were the exact opposite of what we've been told they were© They were supposed to be a team that does all the little things right and finds a way to win in the clutch© Instead, they were a team that completely and totally dominated from the start, but somehow found a way to nearly lose a game they should have won by about 30©If that sounds like an insult, it's not© What I'm saying is: they're not some sort of magical team with all sorts of intangibles --- they're just a very good team©
Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
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Footballguy
I think I started saying at about week 10 that the Pats were the best team in the NFL. I am not a fan of the team. I am simply aware of what they have going for them. I also thought the Colts were the second best team at the start of the playoffs. By the time this game was here I was starting to believe the Colts were going to be unstoppable. I admit I was wrong. But rest assured this is not me purging my ignorance. I am fully aware of how good they are and I don't care. 
I am very excited to see the Super Bowl even though I know it will be dull and consertative. I don't buy that there is any conspiracy by the NFL refs to call games in favor of NE. I think they would pick a team that the average person might enjoy watching if that was the case. 
JMHO
I am very excited to see the Super Bowl even though I know it will be dull and consertative. I don't buy that there is any conspiracy by the NFL refs to call games in favor of NE. I think they would pick a team that the average person might enjoy watching if that was the case. JMHOhumans_being
Footballguy
Wow, i think Joe just called Patriot fans "Whiny tools". 
RestInPeaceDestro
Footballguy
I didn't say anything about it here but I was hoping for the "Peyton Manning factor" to win the game for the Colts. I conceded before the game and still do afterwards that the Pats were/are the better team and likely will get another title this season.
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Serenity Now
Footballguy
His ears must still be ringing from all that crybaby whining Zach Piller did last week.Wow, i think Joe just called Patriot fans "Whiny tools".
mighty thor
Footballguy
I guess I'll cancel my subsciption next year if you lump all the Pats fans together as whiny.Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
well, looks like JB is gonna be an NFC fan...Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
1. If there were any doubts about sending in my $20 for next year, this just erased them.Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
2. All kidding aside, NE is excellent at what they do. This is a team that is built around the short passing game. It's boring and kind of hideously ugly to watch, but still this team can convert 3rd and 4 over and over again because that's what it's designed to do. Yeah, the Indy defense isn't very good, but NE has made a living off of this offensive game plan for 3 years now. Their coaching staff deserves all the credit they get for moulding an offensive game plan to their personnel. (Speaking as a Bills fan, I can personally attest that many coaching staffs fail miserably in this regard). Add that to a defense that is both well-coached and extremely talented (those first two ints were things of beauty for the defense as opposed to manisfestly bad plays by Manning), and you have a very sound team. 3. Of course, Tom Brady did go out of his way to try to hand the game back to Indy. Lucky for him that his defense was there for him.The Grizzly One
Footballguy
Thor, wouldn't you be a tool for doing that. Also I think your post was a bit whinny.I guess I'll cancel my subsciption next year if you lump all the Pats fans together as whiny.Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Like almost everyone here, I've seen the Pats as the best team in the NFL and the favorite to win the Super Bowl.I'm not sure to whom this post is referencing. Do Pats fans want everyone to acknowledge this as the greatest team of all time or something?
The Grizzly One
Footballguy
You know horse, I think your confusing those who were hoping the Colts would win with doubting the Pats. I hoped the Colts would win, I thought they had a chance. But in stating it the way I did I think it was obvious I considered the Pats the most likely winner.Sheeeesh.Purge yourself of your ignorance here. No reasonable mea culpas will be looked down upon.
Now HB,I never named the Pats fans there. Be nice... JWow, i think Joe just called Patriot fans "Whiny tools".
Hi SS,Pretty much, yeah. If you don't do this, you're "dis respecting" them.J
humans_being
Footballguy
I forgot to italicize "think".
Workhorse
Footballguy
Wow, you sure put me in my place.See you in Houston.Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
Even though their fans have a bit of BoSux in them, I can't help but like the Pats. I love Bellicheck and his style of football and wish he were the Giants' coach.Looking at how the Carolina game is going, it's looking like we could see two Parcells' proteges going against each other.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
That's utter crap Joe and I'm surprised to see you egging this on. So much for being good to each other, huh?On the other hand, it might be refreshing once in a while to have someone give a team some props for a good performance rather than whine about how they won due to bad officiating or luck.
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Joe...Highly unimpressed..... Lame move.Hi WH,Actually, I think that's a fair reason to pull for or against a team. If everyone you come into contact with a particular team is a whiny tool, then yeah, I pull against them. Works for me.JBlah, blah, blah.If you are letting FANS dictate your opinion of a football team, I know a bookie who'd LOVE to talk to you...
There are a TON of Pats fans on this board who have managed to stay OUT of the half dozen threads started by (primarily) Pats haters..... I'd have to say that the haters have been FAR more whiny than the fans in this case....your biases are showing through here man....take off the titan's tinted glasses and look at what has been being said on your board....frankly I've seen FAR more commentary that could be construed as "whiny" coming from the haters than the Pats fans........and making sweeping generalizations about a fan base considering that most of the dyed-in-the-wool fans (ie those of us who were born near foxboro) have been pretty quiet through most of the BS that has been going on in the shark pool over the last few weeks.... Not that you care but my opinion of you as a fairly unbiased board-head has taken a hit with this comment...with all due respect but that's just lame lame lame.
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thesurfshop19
Footballguy
I find this interesting.What sort of "props" are necessary? Do we need to go out and say that was an amazing performance by the team, or something like that?Particularly with the Pats' 2 playoff games thus far, there hasn't really been aOn the other hand, it might be refreshing once in a while to have someone give a team some props for a good performance rather than whine about how they won due to bad officiating or luck.
performance. They certainly seemed to make today's game closer than it really was, and they certainly didn't dominate the Titans.They won them both, which shows they're a very good championship-caliber team. No question about that. If they win the championship, they'll deserve it. And no one can take that away from them.But (ain't it inevitable, there's always a "but"), you simply can't expect everyone to think this is a truly dominant top 10 team of all time. Feel free to believe it if you'd like, but don't force that belief on others.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
What a bunch of BS!I just get back from the game and the 1st thread I see is Joe labelling all the Pats fans he comes into contact with as whiney.Do u live in a closet Joe?I don't know what ur problem is with NE and don't care at this point, u will never get another dime of my money. I thought u were a pro but u r anything but. I am sure u could care less about the opinion of Pats fans (other than the 1's on ur payroll) but u r truly a piece of work
Green and Gold
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I wonder how many Patriot fans total are whiney and annoying here, compared to the ones that aren't. I've lived in Boston for 20 years and am a Pats fan, and like all the other ones I know, we aren't annoying and whiney.GB being judged by the actions of a few.
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Please point out where the bulk of Pats fans were calling for the team to be dubbed one of the top 10 of al time? I'm tired of all this BS..... lame sportsmanshipI find this interesting.What sort of "props" are necessary? Do we need to go out and say that was an amazing performance by the team, or something like that?Particularly with the Pats' 2 playoff games thus far, there hasn't really been a
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Good point here.It's a shame that's what we do, but unfortunately the loud fans are the ones we can hear.It's the same sort of thing with Philadelphia as being "mean".Most fans of teams are
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Agreed..... THere might have been one or two Pats fans that have been running at the mouth here...but I'd be willing to bet that for every whiny pats fan there has been a sore loser fan of another team..... GDB lame sportsmanship and unjust mass generalizations
Regardless...I'm done commenting on the lameasses in here making homeristic comments.... The Pats have a very tough SB game against a tough squad (if it's Carolina )..... IF they pull it off, then we'll talk...until then, kudos to the Pats on their 14 game winning streak.
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thesurfshop19
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I suppose no one said that specifically. Good point.However, I don't think that makes the points any less valid. It's a general point. I'm not a Pats fan or a Pats hater. I'm trying to be an objective voice here.,Jan 18 2004, 10:34 PM] Please point out where the bulk of Pats fans were calling for the team to be dubbed one of the top 10 of al time?
I'm tired of all this BS..... lame sportsmanship
All I'm saying is that if the sensitive Patriots fans were less sensitive, this problem will go away.
I've been there -- in 1997 with the Broncos -- when people denigrated my team after a championship. You know what I did? Nothing! Because I knew I couldn't convince people and they couldn't convince me, and all any conversation would do is get both sides riled up.
I don't think there's anything wrong with what I've said in this thread, so I'll stand by it all.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
What really bothers me is web site entrepeneurs who let their egos get the best of them.I am speaking in generalities of course
and I am NOT referring to anyone in particular.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
,Jan 18 2004, 10:36 PM] kudos to the Pats on their 14 game winning streak.
An amazing achievment.Serenity Now
Footballguy
How 'bout a simple "good game Pats."I find this interesting.What sort of "props" are necessary? Do we need to go out and say that was an amazing performance by the team, or something like that?Particularly with the Pats' 2 playoff games thus far, there hasn't really been a
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Simple enough. Consider it done!After all, that's the best way to express our true thoughts on a game.How 'bout a simple "good game Pats."
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
NO, that would be TOO much to ask for....... Much better to insult and villify the fans of NE.After all there are fans from 30 other teams who can all pile on.How 'bout a simple "good game Pats."I find this interesting.What sort of "props" are necessary? Do we need to go out and say that was an amazing performance by the team, or something like that?Particularly with the Pats' 2 playoff games thus far, there hasn't really been a
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
What, the Cardinals don't count anymore?
Serenity Now
Footballguy
I have many other thoughts on this, yet I'd surely be accused of whining somehow. What was that old saw, "if you can't say something good about someone, say nothing at all."Simple enough. Consider it done!After all, that's the best way to express our true thoughts on a game.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Serious question here:What all that I've said has actually been offensive to Pats fans?I'm seriously wondering. I thought the revelation that I've been in the exact same situation in 1997 would have shown that I really understand what Pats fans were feeling in 2001 and again now.You may notice that I've never demeaned what this or that Patriots team can do.I don't hate the Patriots. I actually really like the team, its approach, its leaders, and its attitude.I honestly thought I was bringing some objective views to this board, since there are a lot of Pats haters out there.Please let me know where I went wrong.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I don't think the problem lies with u surf as much as other no nothings who may be in a more powerful position than you are.I am not speaking of any1 in particular though
Serenity Now
Footballguy
Surf,I think it stems from other page 1 comments by Joe and others rather than from you in particular. However, you did wonder if all Pats fans felt a need to have their team proclaimed the best of all time or something, or if they deserved any props at all because they haven't anyone. I happen to think that winning the game is reason enough for a simple .
anyone. I happen to think that winning the game is reason enough for a simple .
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
All true and good points.I think I was referring to the "dynasty" threads more than anything in those particular comments.Anyway, good luck to the Pats. Gotta represent for the AFC!Surf,I think it stems from other page 1 comments by Joe and others rather than from you in particular. However, you did wonder if all Pats fans felt a need to have their team proclaimed the best of all time or something, or if they deserved any props at all because they haven't
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Wow! Big Stones!Good stuff, on both sides of the mud-slinging.What really bothers me is web site entrepeneurs who let their egos get the best of them.I am speaking in generalities of course
But I guess I'm just a whiny tool.
