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Official Dallas Cowboys 2012 Thread (1 Viewer)

Put me in the camp that thinks, if we could get another 1st rounder +, then we take that opportunity to trade Ware. And, he's one of my favorite Cowboys of all time. But, for the larger goals of this team, he's the most obvious currency that could be utilized in a trade to get younger and better for the future.It makes me so angry we did not get any quality OL in FA last year. This team could have been competitive in the NFC playoff picture with just a competent G and RT.
:goodposting: ...but I dont think Jerry will trade Ware, unless he quietly asked to be let go. Especially after playing so banged up this year. I'm for it too and to be honest an getting closer to support almost a full "blow it up" mindset. I would be surprised if Ware is moved unless it's for a Herschel Walker type haul.I still want Garrett gone.
 
You guys are sick with this trading ware garbage. The loss has your minds all wacked out.

You don't trade a guy who is on pace to become the all-time sack leader. Jerry is dumb, but not as dumb as some of you are thinking.

 
You guys are sick with this trading ware garbage. The loss has your minds all wacked out.You don't trade a guy who is on pace to become the all-time sack leader. Jerry is dumb, but not as dumb as some of you are thinking.
Please post your stat projections for Ware for the next 3 years.
 
12-15 sacks a year. Like every year. All by himself, with no help from the other side, just like every year since Ellis left. All with a bum neck. No, ill stick with my boy Ware.

Eta- wait, you want to trade away the only guy on the entire defense who can get to the QB?

 
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You guys are sick with this trading ware garbage. The loss has your minds all wacked out.You don't trade a guy who is on pace to become the all-time sack leader. Jerry is dumb, but not as dumb as some of you are thinking.
Perverse as it may sound, the thinking is that Ware's quality is precisely why you'd want to trade him now. In other words, he has significant market value, and for a rebuilding team he's worth more as a draft pick(s) than he is as a DE. Again, the assumption is that the team rebuilds and also, whtether it rebuilds or not, it doesn't seem likely to be a serious Super Bowl contender in the next several years, which more or less represents the remaining "good years" for Ware (and likely Romo). In reality, trades are so tough to pull off in the NFL, not least because of the salary cap, that it's unlikely he's going anywhere.
 
I'd be in favor of trading Ware if we could get a good deal. He's 30. He's banged up and may be losing a step. In other words, he's looking human.

I've always been a big fan of Ware. Who isnt? It would pain me to see him another uni. But, we need to fill some holes.

 
You guys are sick with this trading ware garbage. The loss has your minds all wacked out.You don't trade a guy who is on pace to become the all-time sack leader. Jerry is dumb, but not as dumb as some of you are thinking.
Perverse as it may sound, the thinking is that Ware's quality is precisely why you'd want to trade him now. In other words, he has significant market value, and for a rebuilding team he's worth more as a draft pick(s) than he is as a DE. Again, the assumption is that the team rebuilds and also, whtether it rebuilds or not, it doesn't seem likely to be a serious Super Bowl contender in the next several years, which more or less represents the remaining "good years" for Ware (and likely Romo). In reality, trades are so tough to pull off in the NFL, not least because of the salary cap, that it's unlikely he's going anywhere.
Dallas was one quarter away from making the playoffs while LEADING the league in games missed to injury and they need a full blown rebuild? Talk about an eternal pessimist.
 
I thought he severely underachieved with the D.It took an injury to get Orlando Scandrick, who is the worst DB Ive ever seen not named Sensenbaugh to get out of the lineup. Bruce Carter wasn't in the lineup at all to start the season but shined after Lee went down.He would constantly pair up the worst safety and worst corner together.Besides screaming obscenities, I never saw him actually coaching.

 
'N Zone said:
You got your wish. Multiple twitter reports having being officially named the new DC.Can't say that I'm happy about it. Suammarizing my thoughts, I really don't like a 73 year old guy implementing a totally different scheme with all the requisite player-profile changes that implies.
 
This guy is ancient! His D at USC got destroyed. I mean annihilated! And USC gets the cream of the crop........yea, he had good D's in Tampa Bay. That was a while ago.Our personell dont match up with the 4-3 tampa 2........can they convert over and be successfull?I'm not gonna condemn the guy immediately, but color me pessimistic.........GM Jerrah, goin for the name.

 
'N Zone said:
You got your wish. Multiple twitter reports having being officially named the new DC.Can't say that I'm happy about it. Suammarizing my thoughts, I really don't like a 73 year old guy implementing a totally different scheme with all the requisite player-profile changes that implies.
We have so many replaceable parts on defense, it's not going to be a big deal. Wouldn't surprise me if Ware were dealt, lending a bit more credence to the "change" zeitgeist here.Honestly, it's not like this team was just brimming with talent up and down the defensive side of the football. The requisite player-profile changes are a good thing.
 
Realistically, guys, Garrett's going to get fired next year, anyway, and a whole new regime will be brought in, including a new DC.So, for those worried about Kiffin's age, don't. We'll have another crappy year in 2013, fire Garrett, fire everyone, and 2014 will be rosy and new. #### it. Should just do that now, tbh.

 
'N Zone said:
You got your wish. Multiple twitter reports having being officially named the new DC.Can't say that I'm happy about it. Suammarizing my thoughts, I really don't like a 73 year old guy implementing a totally different scheme with all the requisite player-profile changes that implies.
I happy about the switch to 4-3...that's Cowboys football.Agree with Ridge, a little unsure about Kiffin as a hire and his long term sustainability. Seems more like a stop gap.Bad year = full coachinging changes.
 
Realistically, guys, Garrett's going to get fired next year, anyway, and a whole new regime will be brought in, including a new DC.So, for those worried about Kiffin's age, don't. We'll have another crappy year in 2013, fire Garrett, fire everyone, and 2014 will be rosy and new. #### it. Should just do that now, tbh.
Ha...just posted almost the same thing at the exact same time. :goodposting:
 
Cowboy fans can only hope this means the Cowboys are that much closer to bringing in Lane Kiffin as head coash.....oh wait.....Eagles fans can only hope that theCowboys are that much closer to bringing in Lane Kiffin as head coach. ;)

 
Simmon, i've been feeling the same way. It seems like a strange move. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I understand NFL defensive schemes and why they are implemented, like the guys that live and breath this every day do. In reading some of the reactions out there, I'm gathering that it was prolly our physical corners, athletic LB's, and it's simplicity, vs. Ryans complex scheme, that had a big part in this coaching move. The obvious question marks are at safety and D-line.But why Kiffin? Because he was the architect of this system in Tampa Bay? Why not Lovie Smith? At least he's not 100 years old.Again, the elder Kiffin's defense at USC, gave up tremendous yardage and points. Kinda leads one to think his football time has passed. Shouldnt he be sittin in a rocker playing with grandkids?

 
'Manster said:
Simmon, i've been feeling the same way. It seems like a strange move. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I understand NFL defensive schemes and why they are implemented, like the guys that live and breath this every day do. In reading some of the reactions out there, I'm gathering that it was prolly our physical corners, athletic LB's, and it's simplicity, vs. Ryans complex scheme, that had a big part in this coaching move. The obvious question marks are at safety and D-line.But why Kiffin? Because he was the architect of this system in Tampa Bay? Why not Lovie Smith? At least he's not 100 years old.Again, the elder Kiffin's defense at USC, gave up tremendous yardage and points. Kinda leads one to think his football time has passed. Shouldnt he be sittin in a rocker playing with grandkids?
:goodposting: Perhaps my memory is flawed but I was under the impression that the safeties are more important than the cornerbacks as the colts used to have subpar CB's but had Bob Sanders/Bullit as safeties who played at a high level. Obviously our safeties leave alot to be desired and CBs are at least average. Totally prefer Lovie over Monte. As you pointed out with the amount of talent USC had compared to other teams their poor performance is highly alarming. On the brightside I loved the Rob Ryan hire and we all know how that worked out LOL. :banned:
 
Does anyone have a breakdown of draft picks round by round for Dallas in the 2013 draft? I'm curious as to how many picks they have. Thanks.

 
Does anyone have a breakdown of draft picks round by round for Dallas in the 2013 draft? I'm curious as to how many picks they have. Thanks.
I know they've got their 1 through 6. They traded the 7th to Miami for Ryan Cook. Supplemental picks won't be announced for awhile, but its unlikely they'll get any material ones.
 
'Bankerguy said:
It's looking like we are going to land Marinelli to join our defensive staff.
I've read that he'll come in to be the DL coach and be the heir apparent to Kiffin. That would be absolutely HUGE if that's the case. It would solve much of the old timer issue associated with Kiffen. The two worked together for several years, so they are quite familiar. Marinellis, of course, went o nto be DC and HC in other places. So to have a guy become the DL coach who has that kind of broad background, can only be a good thing to support the elder Kiffen.This would be a major alleviation of one of my major concerns of Kiffen. Now to address the round peg/square hole of our personnel and the Tampa 2......
 
'Bankerguy said:
It's looking like we are going to land Marinelli to join our defensive staff.
I've read that he'll come in to be the DL coach and be the heir apparent to Kiffin. That would be absolutely HUGE if that's the case. It would solve much of the old timer issue associated with Kiffen. The two worked together for several years, so they are quite familiar. Marinellis, of course, went o nto be DC and HC in other places. So to have a guy become the DL coach who has that kind of broad background, can only be a good thing to support the elder Kiffen.This would be a major alleviation of one of my major concerns of Kiffen. Now to address the round peg/square hole of our personnel and the Tampa 2......
Kiffin was seen breaking dow film yesterday at 9 in the evening. That says something to me.Also of note, glad to see Norv sign in Cleveland. Wanted no part of this guy.I see no reason why any external OC would want to join this team right now. Jerry has already effectively made Jason a lame duck coach. I have almost already written next year off. I will watch every game, but with almost no expectations.
 
'Bankerguy said:
It's looking like we are going to land Marinelli to join our defensive staff.
I've read that he'll come in to be the DL coach and be the heir apparent to Kiffin. That would be absolutely HUGE if that's the case. It would solve much of the old timer issue associated with Kiffen. The two worked together for several years, so they are quite familiar. Marinellis, of course, went o nto be DC and HC in other places. So to have a guy become the DL coach who has that kind of broad background, can only be a good thing to support the elder Kiffen.This would be a major alleviation of one of my major concerns of Kiffen. Now to address the round peg/square hole of our personnel and the Tampa 2......
Kiffin was seen breaking dow film yesterday at 9 in the evening. That says something to me.
Must not have adjusted his bedtime from PST yet.
 
Romo will blow it. Great fantasy QB. That's about it.
:goodposting:
The game is over, he didn't blow it. Great win, was impressed by how the Cowboys seemed to get stronger and play better as the game went on. Great defensive hold after the Romo Int, just what you need to get momentum back. Ware said it nicely after the game, the improved coverage in the secondary allows for the pass rush to get to the Qb. The penalties were ridiculous, that has to be cleaned up. The week and a half off to get healthy and tweak mistakes is great, hopefully we start the season 2-0 with two road victories, that will be huge. After that win, I'll be honest, expectations as of now went up, they looked like a team that should be fighting for a playoff spot and the division title.
I'm referring to the season, smart guy. I'm a big fan of history and judging future performance based on what a player has done in the past. When the game is out of reach, Romo is great for a pseudo comeback to pad the stats. When an important game is on the line (to make playoffs or in playoffs), Romo is sure to blow it. I feel for you and your sorry base of fans. I hope I'm wrong b/c I hate to see Cowboys fans ##### and whine every year. On the other hand, it's also fun to hear cries of Super Bowl again and again only to get shut out of the playoffs b/c they have a sporadic QB and an owner crazier than a ##### house rat.
ouch...a year later, nothing has changed, even the preseason chants of another Dallas Super Bowl were loud and clear. Poor Romo. What a loser :kicksrock:

 
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Another killer loss. Romo would've never made the play that Stafford did (although the Lions DL would probably be stupid enough to be caught as flat-footed as the Dallas DL was).

 

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