***Official*** DeAngelo Williams Bandwagon (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

OK,

I can't contain this any more.

Word is getting out.

Forget Foster. DeAngelo Williams is going to be the starter for Carolina this year.

The Bandwagon begins loading..... now.

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

Shotgun!

 

[DeCleater]

 

[diesel7982]

Not this year.

Foster = Top 12 RB in 2006.

 

[MLBrandow]

OK,

I can't contain this any more.

Word is getting out.

Forget Foster. DeAngelo Williams is going to be the starter for Carolina this year.

The Bandwagon begins loading..... now.

"you're crazy Brandow because DeAngelo Williams isn't even listed as the starter for week 1."

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Shotty!

Blast I'm too late.

 

[Biabreakable]

I dont think Foster will be able to keep Williams on the bench healthy or not and Williams will be getting the lions share of the carries by midseason at the latest. Sooner if Foster gets hurt or proves ineffective before then.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

IN - dynasty

redraft - foster

* one leg on bandwagon, one off... hope i don't get rent asunder

 

[DawnBTVS]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

 

[diesel7982]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

 

[purestrength]

Sorry, I'll have to watch this bandwagon roll by.

But when the DeShaun Foster Bandwagon starts rolling, definitely save me a seat.

 

[gman8343]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

& the 2000 Baltimore Ravens.

 

[diesel7982]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

Yes, thats exactly the same situation.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

Yes, thats exactly the same situation.

Jamal Lewis.

 

[diesel7982]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

Yes, thats exactly the same situation.

Jamal Lewis.

Jamal Lewis was being prepped for a starting job in the next season during the Ravens SB year?Are you saying the reason he was playing(and running for 1300+ yards) is because they wanted him to be the starter the next season, and not because he was the best option in that year?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

diesel,

Thanks for stopping by.

Enjoy the rest of the Shark Pool.

 

[Rev]

In like flin (or however you spell it). DW is a stud. Foster will break his 5th bone in 5 seasons and pave the way for the DW express.

 

[Chaos Commish]

OK,

I can't contain this any more.

Word is getting out.

Forget Foster. DeAngelo Williams is going to be the starter for Carolina this year.

The Bandwagon begins loading..... now.

I generally want a spot near the emergency exit on any bandwagon I take for a ride, but not this one. You need a break, I'll drive.

 

[gman8343]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

Yes, thats exactly the same situation.

Jamal Lewis.

Jamal Lewis was being prepped for a starting job in the next season during the Ravens SB year?Are you saying the reason he was playing(and running for 1300+ yards) is because they wanted him to be the starter the next season, and not because he was the best option in that year?

Maybe Williams will be the best option for this year?

 

[ravnzfan]

I'll take the "over" 62 touches/40 FF points projected for Eric Shelton, by Dodds & Co....

...and let you knuckleheads fall all over each other debating Foster/Williams

 

[Gandalf]

I'm on the bandwagon too. My question is 2006 or 2007. I'm leaning toward 2006, mainly because DeShaun Foster can't stay healthy more than 3 games in a row. This will DWill's opening and I expect that he will play at a high level and Carolina won't look back.

 

[popeye]

OK,

I can't contain this any more.

Word is getting out.

Forget Foster. DeAngelo Williams is going to be returning kickoffs and punts for Carolina this year.

The Bandwagon begins loading..... now.

Fixed

 

[Sinrman]

I can easily see Foster starting the season, barring some major setback. But I could see Williams taking several carries/game even starting Week 1. If Foster stumbles or is injured (LIKELY!), then Williams will take over and never look back.

Foster is a big, big risk this year. He has a lot of potential, but man he cannot stay healthy! I've avoided him completely in drafts...

 

[Boone22]

Panthers | Williams could spell Foster

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Carolina Panthers first-round draft pick RB DeAngelo Williams could challenge injury-prone RB DeShaun Foster for the starting running back position if Foster is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

First of all Brady was not a Rookie.Second, Foster is gonna take about 5 game to break his foot/ankle.

Im all over Deangelo. Dynasty and redraft.

 

[zamboni]

Panthers | Williams could spell Foster

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Carolina Panthers first-round draft pick RB DeAngelo Williams could challenge injury-prone RB DeShaun Foster for the starting running back position if Foster is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

I saw that as well. The blurb seems to be misleading, as it refers to both challenging Foster, but only if Foster is unable to make it through the season.

 

[BigJim®]

Count me on.

 

[thayman]

I would like to join this bandwagon....Could be a good ride.

 

[PennState-JD]

Carucci's statement could apply to any RB situation in the NFL where a backup is involved.

Not to say I don't like DW, but the question becomes:

A) Can he beat out Foster if Foster is healthy?

B) Does he become the starter by default if Foster goes down?

I'd say B is definitely true, and A is remote for 2006.

 

[aposulli]

I would like to join this bandwagon....Could be a good ride.

Is anyone concerned about John Fox's tendency to use a RB-by-comittee in the past few years?Obviously Stephen Davis was a stud in his first couple years in Car, but that's because he got all teh TDs.

Fox still must be hoping Shelton can at least take over goaline duties. IMO this will limit Williams' production to at best 1,300 yds and 5-8 TDs per year (assuming Foster is gone after this year). At worst, he's the next Foster.

I do hope someone can convince me otherwise because i think DW has the most fantasy potential outside of Bush in the '06 draft class.

 

[Warpig]

Panthers | Williams could spell Foster

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Carolina Panthers first-round draft pick RB DeAngelo Williams could challenge injury-prone RB DeShaun Foster for the starting running back position if Foster is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

Falcons | Norwood could spell DunnTue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Atlanta Falcons third round draft pick RB Jerious Norwood could challenge injury-prone RB Warrick Dunn for the starting running back position if Dunn is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

Ravens | Anderson could spell Lewis

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Baltimore Ravens free agent acquisition RB Mike Anderson could challenge injury-prone RB Jamal Lewis for the starting running back position if Lewis is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

Browns | Harrison could spell Droughns

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Cleveland Browns fifth-round draft pick RB Jerome Harrison could challenge injury-prone RB Reuben Droughns for the starting running back position if Droughns is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

Cowboys | Barber could spell Jones

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports RB Marion Barber could challenge injury-prone RB Julius Jones for the starting running back position if Jones is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

Lions | Calhoun could spell Jones

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:02:33 -0700

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports the Detroit Lions third-round draft pick RB Brian Calhoun could challenge injury-prone RB Kevin Jones for the starting running back position if Jones is unable to make it through an entire season without injury.

etc...etc...etc

You can say this about EVERY running back spot in the league right now. I mean hell, Larry Johnson is only gonna be getting 60% of the touches according to Herm. Sounds like he'll be getting SPELLED also.

 

[Incogneto]

I am getting on this bandwagon now!

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Im on for sure. I think many people have grossly underestimated Williams talent level. This guy is going to be a stud and probably a first rd pick in fantasy drafts next summer. Whether he wins the starting job or gets it when Foster gets hurt, either way I believe he will prove he is a playmaker and workhorse once he gets his shot.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I would like to join this bandwagon....Could be a good ride.

Is anyone concerned about John Fox's tendency to use a RB-by-comittee in the past few years?

Obviously Stephen Davis was a stud in his first couple years in Car, but that's because he got all the TDs.

Fox still must be hoping Shelton can at least take over goaline duties. IMO this will limit Williams' production to at best 1,300 yds and 5-8 TDs per year (assuming Foster is gone after this year). At worst, he's the next Foster.

I do hope someone can convince me otherwise because i think DW has the most fantasy potential outside of Bush in the '06 draft class.

HC John Fox has been at the helm since Jan 2002.In those 4 years, here are the numbers:

Carolina Rushing Data 2002-2005

Looking at the leading rushers in each year and their % of carries:

2002

RB1 - Lamar Smith - 206 carries of 394 team rushes (52.3%)

RB2 - Dee Brown - 101 - (25.6%)

2003

RB1 - Stephen Davis - 317 carries of 465 team rushes (68.2%)

RB2 - DeShaun Foster - 112 - (24.1%)

2004

RB1 - Nick Goings - 217 carries of 392 team rushes (55.4%)

RB2 - Brad Hoover - 68 - (17.3%)

2005

RB1 - DeShaun Foster - 206 carries of 449 team rushes (45.9%)

RB2 - Stephen Davis - 178 - (39.6%)

I'm not seeing a predilection towards a RBBC. Last year Stephen Davis and Foster were splitting time, but in prior seasons the RB2 has no more than 1/4 of the workload. The feature back gets 50%+ of the carries.

 

[sholditch]

I drafted him third round in an inaugural dynasty draft but did so with very little hopes for 06. I think Foster will have to get injured for him to see a feature role. We'll see though. The kid's ability dwarfs Foster's and his heaight will not be a hindrance to him any more than it was to Faulk or Emmit. D-Dub is the real deal and will quickly become one of the league's elite. Just not sure it will be his rookie year.

 

[gocats]

Jeff I really respect your oppinion, why do you feel so addomently that D. Williams will be the guy?

 

[H.K.]

I'll take the "over" 62 touches/40 FF points projected for Eric Shelton, by Dodds & Co....

...and let you knuckleheads fall all over each other debating Foster/Williams

On what team will Shelton get those touches? He is on the bubble (big time) to even make the Panthers roster this year.

 

[zamboni]

I'll take the "over" 62 touches/40 FF points projected for Eric Shelton, by Dodds & Co....

...and let you knuckleheads fall all over each other debating Foster/Williams

On what team will Shelton get those touches? He is on the bubble (big time) to even make the Panthers roster this year.

I would tend to agree. I think Williams owners need to be concerned about Foster defying the past and staying healthy, but Shelton seems to be a thing of the past once they drafted Williams.

 

[The Finist]

I guess Ill sit in the b!t(h seat. I am on board.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff I really respect your oppinion, why do you feel so addomently that D. Williams will be the guy?

Thank Gocats.I've been doing more homework on what was a "gut feel" based on the draft.

You can see on my rankings I think I have DAWill the highest of anyone.

Here are some of my thoughts, in no particular order:

My GB Bloom had him as the #2 talent overall in the Bloom 100, which cannot be overlooked.
He has landed on a team that loves to emphasize the run game and play defense.
The RB situation in Carolina was unstable right after the 2005 playoffs ended, with Jamal Robertson "leading the way" as Foster and Davis were both hurt.
Foster's contract is not prohibitive. He signed for $14.5M, but $9M is in Years 2 and 3. That's only $5.5M for this year (and likely one-and-done).
HC Fox has already stated that he wants him on the field, making room for him on KR/PR duties. That's how another talented RB broke in, Brian Westbrook. Talents that are "found ways to get on the field" sometimes find ways to stay on the field.
Williams will be given lots of opportunity to shine in the preseason, affording him to force a RBBC or a handover of the job.
I can hear Fox already saying that Foster has contributed in a backup role in the past, and he can easily acclimate to that position. Nice way of saying "make way for the rookie, he's better".

 

[Mark Wimer]

As my RB board shows, I am a believer in Foster as the featured back in Carolina this year. But, one has to deal with (at minimum) 2 factors when analyzing this situation:

1. Foster has had trouble playing a full season due to various injuries.

2. Carolina hands off the ball a whole lot when their offense is operating the way the coaching staff prefers. Last year, they had 487 rushing attempts, 10th in the NFL (the 3.45 ypc stank, but it was mostly due to Davis' 3.0 ypc, not Foster's 4.3). In 2003, they rushed the ball 522 times (3rd in the NFL). The number of carries dipped in 2004 (422, 22nd in the NFL), but that was not typical of this team/coaching staff. Usually, they should be up near the top of the NFL in carries.

No one guy can carry the ball ~500 times a year. So there is plenty of work for Foster to get 325-350 touches (rushing and receiving) and still have lots of work for Williams to develop at this level as well.

Personally, if I end up with Foster on my redraft fantasy teams, I'll try to handcuff him to Williams. If Foster goes down to injury, then you'll still get a big chunk of the Carolina running game with Williams. If Foster stinks in pre-season, then you've insured yourself with Williams.

My .02.

I do like Williams to eventually excel at this level, btw. But lets see how he does vs live NFL defensive schemes before kicking Foster to the curb...

 

[Rev]

A) Can he beat out Foster if Foster is healthy?

Yes, but it doesn't really matter because Foster has never been healthy. DW will be a much better RB and will show it very soon.

 

[diesel7982]

I'll take the backseat window!

I do like Williams, even if he's not starting I think he'll start getting the lions share of the carries by Week 12 or Week 13 at the latest while the Panthers prep him to start next year.

Super Bowl caliber teams dont take the stretch run to prep rookies for starting roles in the next season. can ride a rookie to a championship.

Fixed.Signed, Tom Brady.

Yes, thats exactly the same situation.

Jamal Lewis.

Jamal Lewis was being prepped for a starting job in the next season during the Ravens SB year?Are you saying the reason he was playing(and running for 1300+ yards) is because they wanted him to be the starter the next season, and not because he was the best option in that year?

Maybe Williams will be the best option for this year?

Ive got no problem with that argument, but it wasnt the one that was made.

 

[diesel7982]

diesel,

Thanks for stopping by.

Enjoy the rest of the Shark Pool.

Is it posts like this one, or posts that talk about 3 month old schedule information that got you onto staff Jeff?

 

[derek19]

diesel,

Thanks for stopping by.

Enjoy the rest of the Shark Pool.

Is it posts like this one, or posts that talk about 3 month old schedule information that got you onto staff Jeff?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

diesel,

Thanks for stopping by.

Enjoy the rest of the Shark Pool.

Is it posts like this one, or posts that talk about 3 month old schedule information that got you onto staff Jeff?

Not sure diesel, but I think rising above posts helps me stay here.Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bandwagon to drive.

 

[MU Seminole]

I'm enthusiastically on board.

I love Williams in dynasty b/c I value talent above everything in that format, and just see "it" when I watch him play. Add in Foster's horrible percentage of games started over games missed to injury, and you get opportunity to go with the talent.

 

[diesel7982]

diesel,

Thanks for stopping by.

Enjoy the rest of the Shark Pool.

Is it posts like this one, or posts that talk about 3 month old schedule information that got you onto staff Jeff?

Not sure diesel, but I think rising above posts helps me stay here.Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bandwagon to drive.

Not trying to you here....Im just trying to figure out what you have legitimately contributed to this site. FBG has some good staff, and they have some bad staff, but you are the first one I've come across that doesn't follow arguments or provide rational explanations for your opinions.I may disagree with guys like Yudkin, Colin, and Wood, but at least they try to legitimize their arguments, and never try to run away from an argument like you do.

 

[nightshift]

If I had drafted him with the 34th pick on intitial dynasty draft, I'd be hypin' his rookie butt too!

You are drinkin' way too much EBF Kool-Aid to be taken seriously. The guy hasn't ran one play from scrimmage and you have him not only the starter, but a serious producer?

C'mon... who you writin' to?

Joe, I think Jeff needs to life guard the kiddie pool for awhile. He's havin' trouble swimmin' with the sharks.