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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

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I recall Rudy Guiliani being asked in 2008 about abortion and he said he was pro choice.  He was asked if that meant Medicaid paying for abortions for poor women they could not afford it otherwise, and he looked like it was an odd question and said, of course, they need the coverage.  It was a startling answer going against the Republican orthodoxy and makes me wonder if Trump could not have pulled off the same answer, or at least the first part (being pro choice).  Instead I think he gave the answer he thought he needed to give.  He has surprised me greatly before, when he took on the "Bush kept us safe" storyline and the Republican orthodoxy on the Iraq War.         

 
Higgs said:
Link to the speech or position paper where Trump said the wall would cost $4 billion?
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I already linked to it.  Oliver played the damn video of him saying it. 

And really,  let me ask: What if no link exists? Is it:  A-ha!!! Trump never said this imaginary wall would cost that little!   

Even if Trump never said 4 billion, which he did,  is that really important?  It's as likely to happen as border patrol on unicorns with freaking laser beams strapped to their heads,  but you want to argue about the imaginary price of the imaginary wall.  

Look up the John Oliver video. There's your link.  

 
[scooter] said:
And you think this is solely due to some kind of anti-Trump bias? If so, how do you explain the source and reason for that bias? Because the "gotcha" questions are coming from pretty much every news organization (including Fox).
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:lmao:  Now I've heard it all - there's no anti-Trump bias in the media.  Holy cow you guys are absolutely mad.  It was journalists who started the NeverTrump movement.  Literally.

 
shadyridr said:
It's a backlash to the absurdity of political correctness we have encountered in recent years. I get it but I agree it's a terrible reason to vote for president. 
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There are a lot of intelligent politicians "speaking their mind"; Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul come to mind.  The difference is they have conviction in what they say and aren't just playing armchair politician like Mr. Trump is doing.  

 
The General said:
I really don't know what his stance is because it has changed often over the years and the past few days. Very Hillary-esque of this guy who "speaks the truth". So I do think it's fair to say that he was speaking out of his ### and got caught.

So I'll go with that if elected he will appoint judges and do all he can to make abortions illegal. Then I'll accept that this guy will then arrest women. Excellent candidate. 
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Got it.  You are one of the typical Lefties that only believes in enforcing the laws that you agree with.  Kind of like Obama's position on not enforcing our immigration laws.  http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/bp-council-says-catch-and-release-policy-continues-fueling-illegal/article_b48caa0c-f92c-11e5-914a-671ec164babb.html

 
Higgs said:
"Let's say the wall costs $4 billion"...
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You conveniently omitted the next part of his speech. In other words, you have taken a quote out of context, something that you frequently accuse the anti-Trump posters of doing. Here is the next part of the speech:

"They say $10 billion. That means $4 billion if you know what you're doing."

Also, when you focus on Trump saying "Let's say", then you are technically engaging in a hypothetical. Which, again, is something you've said that you don't do.

 
Captain Cranks said:
Where?  I can't find where you replied to Ilov80s at all, and your response to scooter was the equivalent of, "I love lamp."  
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You won't get it because Higgs has proven time and again he's given absolutely no serious thought to these issues, much like the candidate he supports.  It's all a TV game show to these guys at this point.

 
Captain Cranks said:
There are a lot of intelligent politicians "speaking their mind"; Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul come to mind.  The difference is they have conviction in what they say and aren't just playing armchair politician like Mr. Trump is doing.  
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Yeah, real intelligent stuff Bernie is proposing when it comes to anything regarding the economy.  Free stuff for everyone, while we have a $19 trillion deficit.  Let's elect him rather than a New York businessman who knows more about how to grow the economy that's the other candidates combined.   :lmao:

You guys are going to get exactly what you are wishing for.  And this country's gonna go right down the ####ter.

 
Higgs said:
"Let's say the wall costs $4 billion"...
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And then he said 8.  And then he said 10, and then he said 12.  Doesn't really matter tho, right, because mexico is paying for it?  

Aren't you the slightest bit concerned that the person that think a long wall is going to stop illegal immigration and drugs might think the best way to fix the deficit is by printing extra money?

 
Higgs said:
Yeah, real intelligent stuff Bernie is proposing when it comes to anything regarding the economy.  Free stuff for everyone, while we have a $19 trillion deficit.  Let's elect him rather than a New York businessman who knows more about how to grow the economy that's the other candidates combined.   :lmao:

You guys are going to get exactly what you are wishing for.  And this country's gonna go right down the ####ter.
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Heard this 8 years ago.

Crazy socialist was gonna come and take my guns.  Heard that a lot.

 
Higgs said:
Yeah, real intelligent stuff Bernie is proposing when it comes to anything regarding the economy.  Free stuff for everyone, while we have a $19 trillion deficit.  Let's elect him rather than a New York businessman who knows more about how to grow the economy that's the other candidates combined.   :lmao:

You guys are going to get exactly what you are wishing for.  And this country's gonna go right down the ####ter.
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Trump isn't cutting jack ####. He says he will but when pressed on specifics he just goes down more rabbit holes.

Only guy on either side who was serious about cutting was Rand.

 
[scooter] said:
You conveniently omitted the next part of his speech. In other words, you have taken a quote out of context, something that you frequently accuse the anti-Trump posters of doing. Here is the next part of the speech:

"They say $10 billion. That means $4 billion if you know what you're doing."

Also, when you focus on Trump saying "Let's say", then you are technically engaging in a hypothetical. Which, again, is something you've said that you don't do.
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Seems like someone's got some backtracking to do.

 
Higgs said:
Link to the speech or position paper where Trump said the wall would cost $4 billion?
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Is "That means $4 billion if you know what you're doing" not clear enough for you? Or is it a tacit admission that Trump doesn't know what he's doing?

 
[scooter] said:
You conveniently omitted the next part of his speech. In other words, you have taken a quote out of context, something that you frequently accuse the anti-Trump posters of doing. Here is the next part of the speech:

"They say $10 billion. That means $4 billion if you know what you're doing."

Also, when you focus on Trump saying "Let's say", then you are technically engaging in a hypothetical. Which, again, is something you've said that you don't do.
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So if they say $10 million, that means Trump says the cost of the wall is $4 billion?   :lmao:

The one "conveniently omitting" the rest is you.  Trump has consistently given higher numbers for the wall.  Personally I think the wall will cost about $25 billion, and it will be worth every penny.  It's also convenient that you and the rest of Liberals forget that the concept of a southern border wall was signed into law in 2006, a law that was never enacted as it was written at the time.

 
[scooter] said:
Is "That means $4 billion if you know what you're doing" not clear enough for you? Or is it a tacit admission that Trump doesn't know what he's doing?
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It means what it means.  It doesn't mean that Trump said his wall would cost $4 billion.  You Libs love to define words as it suits you.

 
The General said:
Hopefully you guys were as concerned about "gotcha journalism" during Clinton and Obama's terms.
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Fox treated Obama pretty harshly during his first term. I don't think it could be deemed "gotcha journalism" because frankly Obama never fell for the trap questions. He simply never took the bait.  I also think Fox just bombarded its viewers with negative stories and hoped they would stick. The other MSM loved and continue to love Obama.

Clinton pretty much deserved everything he got from the media after the whole affair scandal. He put himself in the position he was in and I have zero sympathy for any bad press he got and that's sad because he overall was a very good president in my book.

 
Higgs said:
So if they say $10 million, that means Trump says the cost of the wall is $4 billion?   :lmao:

The one "conveniently omitting" the rest is you.  Trump has consistently given higher numbers for the wall.  Personally I think the wall will cost about $25 billion, and it will be worth every penny.  It's also convenient that you and the rest of Liberals forget that the concept of a southern border wall was signed into law in 2006, a law that was never enacted as it was written at the time.
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It's like you're playing whack-a-mole with the goalposts.

 
The General said:
I don't follow your point. And, why are you linking some completely different topic.
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Let me ask it this way (not likely you'll respond though as you've ducked all my other questions)... If abortion became illegal would you support the enforcement of that law?

 
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Courtjester said:
Fox treated Obama pretty harshly during his first term. I don't think it could be deemed "gotcha journalism" because frankly Obama never fell for the trap questions. He simply never took the bait.  I also think Fox just bombarded its viewers with negative stories and hoped they would stick. The other MSM loved and continue to love Obama.

Clinton pretty much deserved everything he got from the media after the whole affair scandal. He put himself in the position he was in and I have zero sympathy for any bad press he got and that's sad because he overall was a very good president in my book.
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Pretty much agree with all this. 

Only thing I'd add is Clinton was getting all kinds of crap before Monica. They all do to some extent though as far as I have paid attention. It's just part of the gig. Being effective while swatting away all the nonsense is the job. 

It's messed up but it's honestly what I see as one of Hillary's strengths - she deals with it well. 

 
[scooter] said:
It's like you're playing whack-a-mole with the goalposts.
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Nice mixed metaphor.  We can go back to your justifying that Trump said his border wall would cost $4 billion based on a hypothetical if statement involving another unnamed "they" saying it would cost $10 million.

 
As a Hillary Clinton supporter I have to express great amusement at the whining and complaining in here by Higgs and others that poor Donald Trump is getting tough gotcha questions. This isn't high school basketball, Sally, it's the NBA. If you can't handle it get the #### out. 

 
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Higgs said:
Let me ask it this way (not likely you'll respond though as you've ducked all my other questions)... If abortion became illegal would you support the enforcement of that law?
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I have answered all your questions. You continually change subjects, distract, call names, ignore, etc but never mind that.

If abortion were made illegal I'm 100% not for enforcing the law. 

It is of course infinitely more complicated than that. I'm a random dude passing time on a flight posting on my phone. Trump is in the position to nominate judges to the Supreme Court and can't make his way through an interview without ####ting the bed. 

 
Higgs said:
Nice mixed metaphor.  We can go back to your justifying that Trump said his border wall would cost $4 billion based on a hypothetical if statement involving another unnamed "they" saying it would cost $10 million.
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Nathan Thurm, everybody!

 
timschochet said:
As a Hillary Clinton supporter I have to express great amusement at the whining and complaining in here by Higgs and others that poor Donald Trump is getting tough gotcha questions. This isn't high school basketball, Sally, it's the NBA. If you can't handle it get the #### out. 
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No whining at all.  I made one post about it I believe.  Just simply pointing it out as another angle to the big "controversy" this week with Trump's comments about punishing women.  The only real whining here, and in the country, has been on what Trump actually said - which I'll reiterate is complete bull####.

 
The General said:
I have answered all your questions. You continually change subjects, distract, call names, ignore, etc but never mind that.

If abortion were made illegal I'm 100% not for enforcing the law. 

It is of course infinitely more complicated than that. I'm a random dude passing time on a flight posting on my phone. Trump is in the position to nominate judges to the Supreme Court and can't make his way through an interview without ####ting the bed. 
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It's really a shame you don't have compassion for these unborn babies and these women that get severe psychological distress after this invasive procedure. We all want to signal our enlighten statuses, but sometimes we go too far.

 
Higgs said:
Of course you would.  You're a closet fascist.  And you support open borders, in the age of terrorism.

I don't approve of any of that. 
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Please explain, if you would, the relationship between fascism and open borders, because I admit to being a little confused by that. 

 
timschochet said:
As a Hillary Clinton supporter I have to express great amusement at the whining and complaining in here by Higgs and others that poor Donald Trump is getting tough gotcha questions. This isn't high school basketball, Sally, it's the NBA. If you can't handle it get the #### out. 
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Have been saying the same thing for last couple of pages. It's cute how a few people think Trump is getting rough treatment. 

 
dfsguy said:
It's really a shame you don't have compassion for these unborn babies and these women that get severe psychological distress after this invasive procedure. We all want to signal our enlighten statuses, but sometimes we go too far.
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Please feel free to add me to your ignore list.

 
timschochet said:
Please explain, if you would, the relationship between fascism and open borders, because I admit to being a little confused by that. 
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You're a fascist because you believe in the word policing I referenced and that you said "I approve" to.  I don't think you need an explanation on this.

The open borders comment was just a gratuitous shot that further might explain your approval of purging the term illegal alien.  My prior fascism description doesn't necessarily apply to your position on open borders.  Not sure what word would describe that, other than insane.

 
Higgs said:
Yeah, real intelligent stuff Bernie is proposing when it comes to anything regarding the economy.  Free stuff for everyone, while we have a $19 trillion deficit.  Let's elect him rather than a New York businessman who knows more about how to grow the economy that's the other candidates combined.   :lmao:

You guys are going to get exactly what you are wishing for.  And this country's gonna go right down the ####ter.
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Just a heads up, but this  :lmao: makes you seem like a 12 year old.  

 
So where is Trump at on abortion. I seriously don't know. Has he come out and said what he will do as president in regards to this issue?

The initial comments that got me in here was what Saints posted about Trump seemingly blowing off hundreds of NATO soldiers KIA in Afghanistan. Didn't see the actual clip and assumed it would be a bigger story.

 
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The General said:
Please feel free to add me to your ignore list.
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Maybe you want to rethink your positions after reading this

Women who have abortions are 81 percent more likely to experience subsequent mental health problems, according to a new study published by Britain’s Royal College of Psychiatrists. The greatest increases were seen in relation to suicidal behaviors and substance abuse.
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Women who had abortions also had:

  • 59 percent increased risk for suicidal thoughts
  • 61 percent increased risk for mood disorders
  • 61 percent increased risk for social anxiety disorders
  • 261 percent increased risk for alcohol abuse
  • 280 percent increased risk for any substance use disorder
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I am not trying to pick on you, but open your eyes, you seem really lost.

 
The General said:
So where is Trump at on abortion. I seriously don't know. Has he come out and said what he will do as president in regards to this issue?

The initial comments that got me in here was what Saints posted about Trump seemingly blowing off hundreds of NATO soldiers KIA in Afghanistan. Didn't see the actual clip and assumed it would be a bigger story.
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Well now who's all over the place?  Regarding abortion, his position is that he's pro-life but respects the current law.  He's also been very clear that even though he philosophically objects to abortion he is still willing to fund Planned Parenthood because of the other positive work they do on women's health issues.  Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me.

What more do you need to know?  You want more questions posed with hypothetical scenarios that we all agree are not going to happen?  Just curious, do you think it would be a good use of time of all the candidates time to answer the hypothetical question that if abortion is legal, should the woman be punished?  I mean seriously General, what more do you want from Trump on this issue?

 
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