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Ditka Butkus said:
Where does it all end?....Won't be long before someone will be lobbying for bigamist...Why should the government care how many wives or husbands someone wants...Why do we discriminate against them...After that it will bestiality group
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ROFL.  The beastiality one is my favorite. Thank the Lord for Neanderthals like you who are still stuck in a time warp. I hope one day that we can own slaves and women can't vote again.  Just for you, pappy.

 
Higgs said:
How about a credible link showing that the author of the report I cited, Edwin S. Rubenstein, is a white separatist?  All I can find is stuff like this - http://www.esrresearch.com/CV.html

And once again, please continue to obfuscate and dodge the real issue here, which is that recent crime stats just don't support your racist notions that whites are persecuting blacks.
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How is that racist if Tobias is white?

 
JuniorNB said:
ROFL.  The beastiality one is my favorite. Thank the Lord for Neanderthals like you who are still stuck in a time warp. I hope one day that we can own slaves and women can't vote again.  Just for you, pappy.
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Food for thought, homey...You will be on the front line for the next fringe group who feels disenfranchised...Whomever that may be.

 
JuniorNB said:
ROFL.  The beastiality one is my favorite. Thank the Lord for Neanderthals like you who are still stuck in a time warp. I hope one day that we can own slaves and women can't vote again.  Just for you, pappy.
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You are acting like an ### today and not being excellent. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yep, agree. I hate this soft-pedal sh|t.

eta - More here (pages 27-28). - David Duke wrote this playbook, btw.
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I don't like any separatist groups, let's be clear on that.  But unfortunately in today's PC society there is no way in hell any of the media is going to look into an issue like this.  Can we all agree on that?

The numbers as statistics on the report are up for debate.  The author of the report is more than credible.  But yes, it is much easier to simply play the racism card and dismiss it out of hand.  Funny we can't do the same with BLM.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Food for thought, homey...You will be on the front line for the next fringe group who feels disenfranchised...Whomever that may be.
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actually disenfranchised >>>>>>>>>>> feels disenfranchised

sorry it's been so rough out there for you.

 
Higgs said:
I don't like any separatist groups, let's be clear on that.  But unfortunately in today's PC society there is no way in hell any of the media is going to look into an issue like this.  Can we all agree on that?

The numbers as statistics on the report are up for debate.  The author of the report is more than credible.  But yes, it is much easier to simply play the racism card and dismiss it out of hand.  Funny we can't do the same with BLM.
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An issue like what?  What issue are you talking about?

 
Higgs said:
Queue up the same old tired dismissive line from the white guilt crowd.  Truly pathetic.
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dismissive?  do you have any actual proof of disenfranchisement other than your "feelings"?    you might want to go take a look around all the board rooms in america and our congress to see how the tough the poor white man has it.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Where does it all end?....Won't be long before someone will be lobbying for bigamist...Why should the government care how many wives or husbands someone wants...Why do we discriminate against them...After that it will bestiality group
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And that's the irrational fear mongering.  We're still just talking about 2 consenting adults who just happen to be attracted to the same sex.  YOUR situation does not change. Why do you want to prevent other consenting adults from having the same rights and freedoms as you just because they are different?

 
TobiasFunke said:
How is that an issue? I never said otherwise. What's your point? What does it have to do with Trump or his supporters?
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Memory problems?  Try ginkgo biloba.  You inferred otherwise in your post about hate crimes predominantly being white on black.

TobiasFunke said:
It won't be dismissed, it fits a disturbing trend  Not as disturbing a trend as hate crimes against black people, of course, which constitute 66.5% of all racial hate crimes, more than three times the percentage in which whites are the victims despite the fact that there are obviously many more potential white victims than potential black victims. Or hate crimes against Jews or homosexuals or Hispanics, which also occur at many times the rate of crimes against whites from a proportional standpoint. But still, not OK at all.

The most disturbing thing here, though, is that you think I live in Long Island.
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I then came back with the point that there are good reasons not to rely on hate crime designations.  I even provided a subsequent link to a crime that clearly was a hate crime against a white veteran by BLM supporters, but wasn't classified as such.  And that goes on all the time.

I also posted about other inferential evidence showing that race inspired crime stats would seem to support the claim by many that the greater racism and feelings of animosity today are more on the black on white side of the equation.  You dismissed the report saying a white separatist wrote it - still waiting for evidence of that, or evidence that his data was incorrect.

 
Higgs said:
Let's see...

Glen Beck

Mark Levin

Bill Krystol

Ben Shapiro

Michelle Fields

Megyn Kelley

Dana Loesch

Katie Pavlich

David Boaz

L. Brent Bozell III

Mona Charen

Ben Domenech

Erick Erickson

Steven F. Hayward

Mark Helprin

Yuval Levin

Andrew C. McCarthy

David M. McIntosh

Michael Medved

Edwin Meese III

Russell Moore

Michael B. Muskasey

John Podhoretz

R. R. Reno

Thomas Sowell

Cal Thomas

It's probably a lot easier to list the Conservative media who is either neutral or for Donald Trump, and I believe your list above pretty much sums it up.
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Yeah, because it's all of these people calling out Trump as not conservative - rightly so, I might add - and not his gaffes, attempted thuggery, and organizational incompetence keeping him down. :lol:

 
Amused to Death said:
And that's the irrational fear mongering.  We're still just talking about 2 consenting adults who just happen to be attracted to the same sex.  YOUR situation does not change. Why do you want to prevent other consenting adults from having the same rights and freedoms as you just because they are different?
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I didn't say I want to prevent them from having rights...I am merely pointing out that when you crack a door open you never know what may get through it...The bestiality was meant to be absurd.....but bigamy...it's not far off.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Where does it all end?....Won't be long before someone will be lobbying for bigamist...Why should the government care how many wives or husbands someone wants...Why do we discriminate against them...After that it will bestiality group
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Utah Polygamy Ruling Marks Defeat for ‘Sister Wives’ Family


A ban on polygamy was upheld in Utah on Monday, a major setback for the members of the “plural family” featured on the reality TV show Sister Wives.

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http://www.newsweek.com/sister-wives-polygamy-lawsuit-446855

- I actually have no idea what the difference is. :shrug:

 
Higgs said:
I don't like any separatist groups, let's be clear on that.  But unfortunately in today's PC society there is no way in hell any of the media is going to look into an issue like this.  Can we all agree on that?

The numbers as statistics on the report are up for debate.  The author of the report is more than credible.  But yes, it is much easier to simply play the racism card and dismiss it out of hand.  Funny we can't do the same with BLM.
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Its hard not to play the "racism" card when you have not quoted and defended whitegenocide.com and that last one.

Sorry...there is not much benefit to the doubt when those are the sources of things you are finding.

 
Higgs said:
Memory problems?  Try ginkgo biloba.  You inferred otherwise in your post about hate crimes predominantly being white on black.

I then came back with the point that there are good reasons not to rely on hate crime designations.  I even provided a subsequent link to a crime that clearly was a hate crime against a white veteran by BLM supporters, but wasn't classified as such.  And that goes on all the time.

I also posted about other inferential evidence showing that race inspired crime stats would seem to support the claim by many that the greater racism and feelings of animosity today are more on the black on white side of the equation.  You dismissed the report saying a white separatist wrote it - still waiting for evidence of that, or evidence that his data was incorrect.
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The data you posted did not do this. It was entirely information about the races of perpetrators and victims. It said nothing about the motive behind the crimes, which is course is the whole deal when it comes to hate crimes.  What you posted was 100% irrelevant to the question of whether hate crime statistics were valid.  It didn't even mention hate crimes.

And yes, a white separatist wrote it and published it. I included the link to the wikipedia page providing that evidence.  Here's the Wikipedia page on the publication you quoted:

The Color of Crime is a publication by Jared Taylor that describes race differences in criminal delinquency in the United States. It was published as a monograph in 1999 and as a revised edition in electronic form in 2005.[8]
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Here again are the first two paragraphs of the entry on the New Century Foundation, which published the document according to colorofcrime.com, which calls it "perhaps the most important publication of the New Century Foundation":
 

The New Century Foundation is an organization founded in 1994 known primarily for publishing American Renaissance. From 1994 to 1999 its activities received considerable funding by the Pioneer Fund,[1][2][3] and has been described as a white supremacist group,[4] which its founder, Jared Taylor, denies, calling it white separatist.

Taylor advocates segregation as a natural expression of racial solidarity while denying that his views constitute white supremacism. Viewing societal problems as racial in nature, Taylor upholds white racial homogeneity as the key to peaceful coexistence with other races. He sees Japan as an exemplar of a racially homogenous society, and views Asians generally as genetically superior in intelligence to whites. He also view whites as genetically superior in intelligence to blacks.
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And here's a little more about your good buddy Jared Taylor from Wikipedia for good measure:
 

Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist and a journalist who advocates what he describes as racial realism.[1] He is the founder and editor of American Renaissance, a webzine often described as a white supremacist publication. Taylor is the president of the magazine's parent organization, New Century Foundation. He is a spokesperson of the Council of Conservative Citizens,[2] and a former member of the advisory board of The Occidental Quarterly. He is also a former director of the National Policy Institute, a Virginia-based white nationalist think tank.[3]

Taylor, and many of the organizations he is associated with, are often described as promoting racist ideologies by, among others, civil rights groups, news media and academics studying racism in the US.[4][5][6][7]

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He has questioned the capacity of blacks to live successfully in a civilized society. In an article on the chaos in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Taylor wrote "when blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western Civilization—any kind of civilization—disappears. And in a crisis, civilization disappears overnight."[22] Taylor believes in a general correlation between race and intelligence, where blacks are generally less intelligent than whites, and whites are generally less intelligent than East Asians, as expressed in the controversial book The Bell Curve. Taylor has said in an interview:


I think Asians are objectively superior to Whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society. This doesn't mean that I want America to become Asian. I think every people has a right to be itself, and this becomes clear whether we're talking about Irian Jaya or Tibet, for that matter.[23]



In a speech delivered on May 28, 2005, to the British self-determination group, Sovereignty, Taylor said of his personal feelings to interracial marriages, "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg."[24]
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And you'll never guess who he's supporting for POTUS!!!

Taylor is a supporter of Donald Trump for president, and has even recorded a robocall to support Trump, which was aimed at Iowa voters.[27]
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urbanhack said:
dismissive?  do you have any actual proof of disenfranchisement other than your "feelings"?    you might want to go take a look around all the board rooms in america and our congress to see how the tough the poor white man has it.
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I don't work in a boardroom.  Nor does anyone I know.  I'm more concerned with what goes on in my world.  You know, the mid-level Manager job that was just given to a minority when everyone knows he was probably 4th or 5th most deserving.  Or the college my son is (or isn't) getting into, where he is clearly competing on an uneven playing field.  Or my ability to state my political beliefs without risking my livelihood.  Pretty basic human rights stuff - my career, my family, and my right to speak assemble and speak freely without repercussions.

 
TobiasFunke said:
The data you posted did not do this. It was entirely information about the races of perpetrators and victims. It said nothing about the motive behind the crimes, which is course is the whole deal when it comes to hate crimes.  What you posted was 100% irrelevant to the question of whether hate crime statistics were valid.  It didn't even mention hate crimes.

And yes, a white separatist wrote it and published it. I included the link to the wikipedia page providing that evidence.  Here's the Wikipedia page on the publication you quoted:

Here again are the first two paragraphs of the entry on the New Century Foundation, which published the document according to colorofcrime.com, which calls it "perhaps the most important publication of the New Century Foundation":
 

And here's a little more about your good buddy Jared Taylor from Wikipedia for good measure:
 

And you'll never guess who he's supporting for POTUS!!!
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That's all fine and dandy but he didn't write the 2016 report I linked to, did he?

 
Higgs said:
That's all fine and dandy but he didn't write the 2016 report I linked to, did he?
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As far as I can tell (I can't actually look at the site itself at work because, once again, it's a white supremacist website) the 2016 version is just the 1999 version updated to include more recent crime stats.  Still published by the same racist ####### group, still overseen by the same racist ####### publisher. 

And oh, still totally irrelevant to anything I've posted since you apparently continue not to understand that the key to whether something is a hate crime is the motive, not simply the race of the victim and perpetrator. Honestly I don't even know what we're arguing about, other than figuring out why you think it's a good idea to reproduce white supremacist publications on this forum.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Do you need a hug?...I get the hint of..oh I don't know...unpleasantness.. in your replies..
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I treat bigots like they deserve to be treated. Don't take it personally. Anyone else that compares same sex marriage with beastiality would get the same treatment.

Besides, if I let you hug me, what's next? You wanting to hug an otter? Maybe a bison?  Get lost, Freak.

 
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Higgs said:
I don't work in a boardroom.  Nor does anyone I know.  I'm more concerned with what goes on in my world.  You know, the mid-level Manager job that was just given to a minority when everyone knows he was probably 4th or 5th most deserving.  Or the college my son is (or isn't) getting into, where he is clearly competing on an uneven playing field.  Or my ability to state my political beliefs without risking my livelihood.  Pretty basic human rights stuff - my career, my family, and my right to speak assemble and speak freely without repercussions.
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so the black and latino middle classes are faring better than whites?  is that what you are saying??  You never answered that question.

 
JuniorNB said:
I treat bigots like they deserve to be treated. Don't take it personally. Anyone else that compares same sex marriage with beastiality would get the same treatment.
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Treat them in the same as both are an unorthodox (contrary to what is usual, traditional, or accepted; not orthodox) relationship...I really couldn't care less if you or somebody else wants to marry their dog ...But lets not pretend it is normal.

 
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Higgs said:
That's all fine and dandy but he didn't write the 2016 report I linked to, did he?
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What the frick is the thread here?

-> Report from white supremacist site -> written by guy who may or may not himself be a white supremacist -> shows something about black on white crime? -> Therefore whites are aggrieved -> whites should vote for Donald?

What is the logic going on here again?

 
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TobiasFunke said:
As far as I can tell (I can't actually look at the site itself at work because, once again, it's a white supremacist website) the 2016 version is just the 1999 version updated to include more recent crime stats.  Still published by the same racist ####### group, still overseen by the same racist ####### publisher. 

And oh, still totally irrelevant to anything I've posted since you apparently continue not to understand that the key to whether something is a hate crime is the motive, not simply the race of the victim and perpetrator. Honestly I don't even know what we're arguing about, other than figuring out why you think it's a good idea to reproduce white supremacist publications on this forum.
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It's a weird hill to die on. A little Googling on Edwin Rubinstein shows that he was a mainstream conservative economist for hire (who wrote for the National Review) who has now spent the last ten years posting on fringe anti-immigration websites like VDare.com.  I would mention that the Southern Poverty Law Center has named VDare a hate group, but I'm not sure the SPLC or any organization to the left of Stromfront, has much credibility with Higgs. 

In any case, Rubinstein is not some respected non-partisan economist.  He's a "race scientist."

 
sho nuff said:
Its hard not to play the "racism" card when you have not quoted and defended whitegenocide.com and that last one.

Sorry...there is not much benefit to the doubt when those are the sources of things you are finding.
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You must've getting me mixed up with someone else.  I always denounce racism, on all sides.  I'm all about fairness and consistency, as is Trump.  I just so happen to believe that the worst racism in the country TODAY exists amongst the minority community.  And to the weaker minded this triggers the "he's a racist" reflex.  I can't help that, and I really don't care about those who can't have this type of nuanced, non-PC discussion.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
What the frick is the thread here?

-> Report from white supremacist site -> written by guy who may or may not himself be a white supremacist -> shows something about black on white crime? -> Therefore whites are aggrieved -> White should vote for Donald?

What is the logic going on here again?
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Like most threads these days it diverged into a discussion about racism.  You're surprised by this?

 
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