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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (2 Viewers)

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Probably that you're voting Trump.

BLM is not a "racist hate group", by the way, no matter how many times you repeat it.
"Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon".

"What do we want?  Dead cops.  When do we want em?  Now."

 
It was most definitively solicited.  ##### got exactly what he deserved.
See, I just think that's where we're never going to agree.   Sucker punching another human is illegal and honestly not ever warranted.  If it was self defense, okay.  But people can and do get arrested for assault.  Why do you think that was deserved?  This isn't a movie starring Sam Elliott or Clint Eastwood.  You can't just go around hitting people in the face that you disagree with.  Are these the values that you teach your children?  I hope not.  If you are a religious man - and if you're voting for Trump, I'd venture that you are, but I don't know that - would the teachings of Jesus instruct you to hit another person in the face for flipping you the bird?  The bird?  Really?  A middle finger is just cause for facial assault?  How do you handle people flipping you the bird when you drive?

 
Guy on Hannity's radio show just said he has video and interviews from the 15 year old pepper spray incident showing that the girl initiated violence and was never groped.  Tune in tonight at 10.

 
Hold the phone.

Now Donald has a problem with the Geneva Convention.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SchreckReports/status/715263619571781634
Now THIS is ####ed up.

This is why you are subjected to what you consider insults and nastiness, Trumpers. You support an aspiring war criminal.  This is at least the third obvious example of it in the last few weeks. There is no argument that can be made to defend that position. Either you're OK with electing an aspiring war criminal or you're not. If you are you are, you deserve every insult that's been hurled your way and then some.

 
Guy on Hannity's radio show just said he has video and interviews from the 15 year old pepper spray incident showing that the girl initiated violence and was never groped.  Tune in tonight at 10.
I'll be there. I tend to forget about Hannity and he's Seinfeld level gold right now.

 
Are you still going with the line that Trump wants to punish women who have abortions?  :P
Are you still going with supporting an aspiring war criminal? Let me guess- you'll respond with some thoughtful post about how you really wish he wouldn't do this sort of thing, and statements like this give you pause when it comes to supporting him, and you hope that eventually he'll learn from his mistakes and take a more reasonable tack.

You familiar with the parable about the frog in boiling water?  You're the frog, and you're trying to pull the rest of us who are very much aware that the water is starting to boil into the pot with you.

 
Now THIS is ####ed up.

This is why you are subjected to what you consider insults and nastiness, Trumpers. You support an aspiring war criminal.  This is at least the third obvious example of it in the last few weeks. There is no argument that can be made to defend that position. Either you're OK with electing an aspiring war criminal or you're not. If you are you are, you deserve every insult that's been hurled your way and then some.
Deep breath, man.  People support candidates for lots of reasons. I hope nobody in here actually supports the end of the Geneva Conventions. 

 
Deep breath, man.  People support candidates for lots of reasons. I hope nobody in here actually supports the end of the Geneva Conventions. 
Nah. 

There are a small handful of things that IMO should automatically eliminate a candidate in the eyes of any decent person. This is one of them. I'd say the same thing after lots of deep breaths.

 
Some of you anti-Trumpsters are really starting to come unglued. You appear to be outraged. Take a Xanax or something, all is well. This is entertaining.

 
<------------ He's coming for ya!!!!!!!!!!!
replace Freddy with Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D7YMLtT0B4

I need to stop thinking about this idiot so much. Had a pretty bad nightmare last night that he was president and suspended the constitution. I was labeled an Enemy of the State for stuff I posted here, and these guys in black outfits surrounded my house. They looked like ninjas. One of them broke through a window and that's when I woke up, heart racing. No schtick.
LOL! https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/728355-making-america-great-again-by-destroying-the-gop-the-official-trump-thread/?page=142#comment-18665376

 
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Wow now Donald says he wants to "punish" women who have abrtions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/alivitali/status/715244637410041856
Remember when I said 99 percent of the stories that come out on Trump are bs?

" FULL CONTEXT: Trump told @MSNBC if Abortion was BANNED, then there should be a punishment for women who have them. "

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/715262172872486913
Uhm, why yes, thank you for that helpful context.

FYI, Mr. Straight Shooter has already backtracked:

Christina Wilkie Verified account @christinawilkie


Trump backtracks on call for abortion punishments. Tells @NBC “The issue is unclear.”
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/715264505006178305
 
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Some of you anti-Trumpsters are really starting to come unglued. You appear to be outraged. Take a Xanax or something, all is well. This is entertaining.
Until a brown person kills someone 5,000 miles away, of course.  At which point the pro-Trumpers will run through the streets screaming about how the end of civilization is as hand.

 
Some of you anti-Trumpsters are really starting to come unglued. You appear to be outraged. Take a Xanax or something, all is well. This is entertaining.
Almost everyone posting in here seems a bit unglued and could benefit from a politics free day or 2. 

 
Are you still going with the line that Trump wants to punish women who have abortions?  :P
Well, Higgs we have a lot to work on today.

We have Donald saying women should be punished for abortions, though he's not sure what the punishment should be, but only where states authorize it, but not really because it's unclear.

Donald has explained his policy clearly now, it's "Unclear."

As for the Geneva Convention, yeah throw that on the heap with abandoning Nato, "Ukraine is fine just fine, don't ask me why," hey he's against the Iranian deal but FOR Arabia, SK and Japan and others having nukes, and China levies zero taxes on our exports but does nothing to help us in trade with them.

It's all making perfect magical sense, I feel the warmth flowing over me. What time will my plant pod be delivered, I can't wait.

 
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Some of you anti-Trumpsters are really starting to come unglued. You appear to be outraged. Take a Xanax or something, all is well. This is entertaining.
Yeah I  don't care if you're speaking to this or not - abandoning the Geneva Convention is a horsh|t idea cooked up in a meth lab at best and American soldiers have been many things but "afraid to fight" is not one of them, Donald suffers from foot in mouth disease, that's a fact, but he may also be mentally and morally deficient, feel free to debate that basic question.

 
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Well, Higgs we have a lot to work on today.

We have Donald saying women should be punished for abortions, though he's not sure what the punishment should be, but only where states authorize it, but not really because it's unclear.

Donald has explained his policy clearly now, it's "Unclear."

As for the Geneva Convention, yeah throw that on the heap with abandoning Nato, "Ukraine is fine just fine, don't ask me why," hey he's against the Iranian deal but FOR Arabia, SK and Japan and others having nukes, and China levies zero taxes on our exports but does nothing to help us in trade with them.

It's all making perfect magical sense, I feel the warmth flowing over me. What time will my plant pod be delivered, I can't wait.
Yes, he was asked if abortions were illegal and someone broke the law by getting one should they be punished? he said yes, this is a nonstory. When you are trying to push stuff like this Saints I start to tune you out.

 
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using pepper spray on someone throwing punches at you for no reason is self defense. You know this is what happened as it's been explained/shown in the video, but you're dishonest, that's okay.


From the video and multiple articles...the one who did the pepper spraying was not the one who she was shoving or trying to punch away for possibly groping her.

 
Yes, he was asked if abortions were illegal and someone broke the law by getting one should they be punished? he said yes, this is a nonstory. When you are trying to push stuff like this Saints I start to tune you out.
Ok I hear you.

For any and all concerned here is the partial text, but not the part that he's been quoted on.

In my opinion, DFS, Donald never thought about it - a major policy point put before a presidential candidate on the verge of being a nominee - before he was asked about it right there and then, at that very moment.

eta - Here's the video.

Here's the summary from Mediaite.

- eta2 - I just watched it - he says "there has to be some form of punishment."

 
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That kind of a question is automatic ignore. That's so pathetic it's not even funny. You want so desperately to paint people or anyone to try and shame or ridicule, why? Is your personal life that pathetic that you get your jollies or rocks off by being a tormenting troll to anyone? To even ask the question is being a total #######. 

Yeah, MOP is for raping little girls, just get it out of your system and earn some more timeouts. You are not here to discuss issues, you want to engage in the sensationalism and media tabloids. I'm done talking back and forth, if you continue on this path I won't report you but I'll simply send a PM to Aaron himself. This is the exact BS that tore up the other threads and we're not going to put up with it this time. 

The Sho/Rubio/Junior party, most of you are on ignore, Junior not yet but I can give the green light and then you can talk to yourself or try and create a new log in. 

You seriously owe me an apology. This is the respect level and you crossed the line. Nobody should have to dignify a response like that. It's those types of posts that drive the folks towards Trump and not away from him. 


You continue to complain about trolling...but this is the 2nd time in a few weeks you stoop to claiming someone else's personal life is pathetic.

You have also brought me up where I was not even involved.

You want to ignore me...fine...do so, but don't start complaining and talking about other people.

And for you to ask for an apology is laughable here.

As for his post...people were talking about her getting groped and you said "if you stick your hand in a bees nest....." or along those lines.  He questioned whether you meant showing up meant that part was ok.  Since several people seem to be making excuses for that action and just moving to her getting physical with people.

 
Yes, he was asked if abortions were illegal and someone broke the law by getting one should they be punished? he said yes, this is a nonstory. When you are trying to push stuff like this Saints I start to tune you out.
March For Life already came out and denounced Trump's stance. It is a stance nobody politically has called for so it is newsworthy. 

 
http://www.unz.com/jman/the-donald-trump-phenomenon-part-1-the-american-nations/

The 2016 U.S. presidential race has brought out a serious whirlwind of events, the likes of which haven’t been seen in a long time, if ever. Despite my own expectations for a boring campaign, this election cycle has been anything but. Most significant to this excitement has been the rise of Donald Trump – and, to a lesser extent, the rise of Bernie Sanders. Much has been said about these men, including much in an attempt to figure out what is behind their popularity. However, this election, particularly the battle against Trump, has taken on a larger scope, in ways that far exceed the man. The election is about grander issues. In good part, it is about the fate of the very character of the nation itself – and indeed, of all of Western society.

While there may be a perhaps an unprecedented series of events occurring in this election, there are nonetheless clear patterns to the vote, patterns we’ve seen before.

For one, the American nations (see American Nations Series) have played a large role in the 2016 presidential race. The reason for this, ultimately, is because demographic factors are what drives elections, at least in our era. Contrary to popular analysis (even that within the HBD sphere), the composition of a region’s population dictates said region’s vote – at least, much more so than situational factors such as economics, crime, or urbanicity. This is plainly obvious to the genetically informed, but is ignored by most mainstream discussion of politics. Mainstream sources struggle to find “environmental” factors that dictate the vote, and they run into trouble every time when they do.

None of this should be surprising, since we know that political views are highly heritable

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/political-chart-heritability.png

There is minimal effect of “the environment” within cohorts (and the differences between cohorts is likely primarily situational). The way people vote is a reflection of who and indeed what they are. It has nothing to do with how they were raised by their parents, where they grew up, or where they live now (except to the extent current self-interest is involved). (See also The Behavioral Genetics Page, particularly the post The Son Becomes The Father.) To understand that vote, you must understand the people.

To quickly recap, the United States (and for that matter, Canada) is divided into several broad ethnocultural regions – nations if you will.

http://emerald.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/fall2013/images/features/upinarms-map-large.jpg

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/north-american-nations-4-3.png

These regions exists thanks to the continuing legacy of the founding populations and the various assortative migrations (founder effects and boiling off) that have happened over the history of the country. This was described by Colin Woodard in his book American Nations. In my American Nations Series, I detail the various ways these nations are visible today as well as discuss their genetic roots.

In the present election cycle, the nations are playing a role. First, here is a map of support for Donald Trump across the country

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Cc0G46rUsAAR3Y2.jpg

Many have dubbed this an “east vs. west” split (as opposed to usual north/south split typically seen), but it isn’t really that, as Trump has modestly strong support near the West Coast. Rather, we see that Trump is strong across the usual “Dixie” nations, the Tidewater, the Deep South, and especially Greater Appalachia. He also has fair support across Yankeedom, but is comparatively weak in the Midlands. There is a pronounced “hole” in Trump’s support, but a look at this second map shows precisely where:

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/us-personality.png

Trump is weak in the “Friendly & Conventional” zone of the country. This map is drawn from personality studies detailed in Rentfrow et al (2013). The “Friendly & Conventional” zone is an area high in extraversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness and depleted in openness to experience (see Predictions on the Worldwide Distribution of Personality). A modern popular notion likes to lump together the interior of the country as the “Flyover Zone”, being universally Christian, conservative, and traditional. But the American nations maps and this one clearly show that that idea is too simplistic. These areas do vote strongly Republican in the general presidential election, but there is much more nuance than that.

For one, there is a key difference in the overall composition. Greater Appalachia is composed heavily of Ulster Scots, originally from the Anglo-Scottish border area. The Deep South and the Tidewater derive from the English Cavaliers from southwest England.

By contrast, the “Friendly & Conventional” zone is heavily German and Scandinavian in ancestry. Furthermore, the area has been heavily “boiled-off,” as more liberal and adventurous individuals have fled the area for decades, leaving a core of traditional and conservative individuals in its wake (as detailed in my post More Maps of the American Nations). These conservatives are quite unlike their Southern counterparts (see Genes, Climate, and Even More Maps of the American Nations):

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/darn-nations.png

They vote overwhelmingly for Trump rival Ted Cruz

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Trump-Cruz-3-16.png

Cruz’s style of religious conservatism and less aggressive, less bombastic style appeals more to these voters.

Ironically, Trump’s support is apparently weak among one of his own, German-Americans

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/german-ancestry-2010.png

Trump’s support in the Northeast seems to correlate to Italian areas:

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-northeast-zoom.png

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/italian-americans-zoom.png

Whether or not it is Italian-Americans – or people who live in areas with Italian-Americans – who are supporting Trump is not clear. (His stronghold in Eastern Massachusetts suggests he has considerable Irish-American support as well.)

On the Democratic side, again we see the American nations coming into play in the battle between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Hillary-Bernie-3-16.png

The contest between Clinton and Sanders shows Bernie being particularly weak in the Dixie nations. But Sanders is particularly strong in the north, especially in Yankeedom, his current “home” nation.

There is clear north-south pattern to Clinton vs. Sanders, but the battle between these two is also literally a battle between Black and White.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc72YUDVIAAUjnO.png

Most of Bernie’s losses stem from his deep lack of support among Blacks.

But there is more going on here than just that. The map of Clinton vs. Sanders looks very similar to the map of Clinton vs. Obama back in 2008

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Clinton-Obama.png

We see a clear north-south divide, even among non-Black voters. Bernie is strongest in the same areas Obama was, with the exception that he is not carrying the Black vote. However, there is more going on to the regional Clinton-Sanders split than just Black-White differences If we assume the pattern among White Democratic voters is similar to what it was in 2008, which is suggested by the current maps, we see Bernie is decidedly weak among White Democrats across the Dixie nations, and weak across much of the old Rust Belt (central Yankeedom/the Midlands).

Why is this the pattern? The reason is simple. Bernie Sanders, with his message of Scandinavian-style socialism appeals most strongly to very WEIRDO voters. As recounted in several of my previous posts, particularly The Rise of Universalism (see also Clannishness – the Series: Zigzag Lightning in the Brain for a key recap at the beginning of the post), people with a ancestry from Northwestern Europe are more likely to be oriented towards the “commonweal.” This is the notion that there should be societal institutions in place to serve the common good, on many levels. Democratic socialism is a natural outgrowth of that, as we see in Northwestern European countries and their offshoots. WEIRDO people are distinct from all other peoples in the world, and it is these people that make up Bernie Sanders’s base (which I get to see first hand here in Maine, as I live in a pretty WEIRDO part of the state).

In other parts of the country, more clannish Whites dominate. These are the Scots-Irish and the English Cavaliers in the South, as well as Irish, Italians, and various Eastern Europeans across parts of Yankeedom, the Midlands, and “New Netherland.” These peoples aren’t as impressed with Bernie’s calls for socialism – being more oriented to their own kin than to common society – and hence support Hillary Clinton.

Therefore, despite standing to benefit from Bernie Sanders’s socialist ideas, Blacks, especially those in the South don’t succumb to Bernie’s WEIRDO appeal (he may have more appeal with Blacks in the North).

And indeed, we see some interesting psychological differences between supporters of the various candidates:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2016/03/OLIVER-authoritariangraph.jpg

From Trump’s voters aren’t authoritarians, new research says. So what are they? – The Washington Post


1. Trump voters are no more authoritarian than supporters of Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio



2. What really differentiates Trump’s voters from the other Republicans is the populism.

Trump voters are the only ones to score consistently high on all three populist dimensions. Cruz and Rubio’s supporters, for example, don’t express high feelings of anti-elitism. In fact, on this scale, they are strongly anti-populist, identifying with authority rather than rejecting it.



The psychology of Democratic voters also becomes apparent. In many ways, Bernie Sanders’s supporters are the mirror image of Trumps, except for the anti-elitism. Where Trump’s supports are nationalists, Bernie’s supporters are universalists. They rail against the elites much like the American revolutionaries railed against the English crown and the aristocracy. (And no doubt this is why Bernie doesn’t stress his own previous anti-immigration views during his campaign.)

Edit, 3/12/16 [I also wanted to touch on another aspect of Trump's support that has come up frequently. That is that Trump's support correlates with where middle aged White death rates are highest.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/03/supertues2.png

Edit, 3/17/16 - [The pattern continues:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdsIF50XEAA0Pw9.jpg

From Death predicts whether people vote for Donald Trump – The Washington Post. Of course, an explanation for this is easily produced, and it partly captured in a recent article of geographic correlates of Trumps’s support:

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Trump-Support-correlations.png

This is from The Geography of Trumpism – The New York Times. The key is those lacking a high school diploma. As we saw in my earlier post IQ and Death, people (and peoples) with lower IQ tend to die sooner. Many of the areas rich with Trump supporters are lower IQ working class area. These areas are depleted of higher IQ individuals (many often more liberal and WEIRD and often have left for the cities). In essence, these areas are boiled down – areas bereft of human capital. This explains both the poor economic prospects and the shorter lifespans.

As well, there is an ethnic component. As we saw, Trump’s support is strong with the Scots-Irish, and many of the above correlates are those of Scots-Irish areas. As we saw in my earlier posts HBD is Life and Death and More Maps of the American Nations, Scots-Irish areas of the country have shorter lifespans and a greater incidence of problems such as prescription drug overdoses.

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/drugpoisondeaths2.png

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/stroke-whites.png

What these people have discovered, again, is the American nations. ***End Edit***]

All of these regional differences, however, will mostly collapse to the usual American nations regional differences in the general election.

http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/american-nations-2012nationwidecountymapshadedbypercentagewond.png

It is the precise balance in the close contest states that will determine the winner.

Pundits will continue to make predictions about politics (especially about geographic patterns) and will continue to be wrong because they do not take regional genetic diversity (even among Whites) into account..

 
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Btw same guy also wants to fund Planned Parenthood. He wants to punish women for their abortions and pay for their abortions.
I see you went with the MSNBC report that Trump wants to punish women who have abortions.  Did you and msnbc forget an important qualifier to that statement?
Higgs if you or DFS want to revisit this, let me know, I posted the whole video further up and here it is again.

I don't want you to think I'm giving you short shrift. If you think there's some context or qualifier missing here let me know what it is.

 
The abortion thing is a classic washington gaffe, where he accidentally told the truth.  Of course if abortions are illegal, you have to punish women for having them.  Unfortunately arresting women for having abortions polls poorly so the right-to-life movement has to pretend that they won't attach criminal penalties to them.

 
I don't know how he didn't see a question like this coming. Out of all of his gaffes this is his biggest.This is game over for me.  He needs to get ahold of things and walk things back with a reasonable explanation 
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion

If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.

 
I don't know how he didn't see a question like this coming. Out of all of his gaffes this is his biggest.This is game over for me.  He needs to get ahold of things and walk things back with a reasonable explanation 
Trump spends 9 months trashing Fox. Goes on Msnbc which has been showing his press conferences and rallies and slapping his back and Matthews, who treats him like amigos after his primary wins, then suggests to him what the conservative position on punishment of abortion is, then Trump assuming that is correct agrees with that as being the position, then thinking that's what conservatives want to hear says yeah that's the position he holds.

Reality IMO is he never thought about it before that moment. Then Msnbc leaks the gaffe, which cranks up their ratings, then Donald gets blowback, then Donald gets a direct call from Jeff Sessions who tells him what he just f|d up and what to say, then he retracts it but says the position is "unclear" because he still doesn't know or understand. It's pretty incredible all right. And oh the interview will be airing later on this evening so it will get circulated all over again.

His campaign wastes so much time it's just incredible. If the reporters have learned how to bait him like this, this easily.... Well.

 
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Higgs if you or DFS want to revisit this, let me know, I posted the whole video further up and here it is again.

I don't want you to think I'm giving you short shrift. If you think there's some context or qualifier missing here let me know what it is.
I don't need to revisit it.  It's a complete non-story and MSNBC should ashamed of themselves.  They ask Trump, "if abortion were illegal should even be punished for having an abortion?"  Then MSNBC (and you) insinuate that he meant that women should be punished when abortions are legal.  It's ridiculous.  I mean seriously - at this point don't even interview him and just start making #### up about him.

 
:lmao:

of all people 

why would the huffington post turn to a guy who sent out **** :pics:   and  ex of Clinton aide

Im not saying he's wrong just pointing out the absurdity 
Who better to discuss negative favorability numbers? And as Weiner noted:

You can’t win if you’re this disliked

 
I don't need to revisit it.  It's a complete non-story and MSNBC should ashamed of themselves.  They ask Trump, "if abortion were illegal should even be punished for having an abortion?"  Then MSNBC (and you) insinuate that he meant that women should be punished when abortions are legal.  It's ridiculous.  I mean seriously - at this point don't even interview him and just start making #### up about him.
Ok, I watched it - @1:40 it seems valid. I don't want you to think I'm being unfair, I just watched the whole clip, it's almost 2 minutes long. I don't think I misunderstood the context at all. I never thought he meant that he was suggesting women should be punished for legal abortions.

 
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Ok, I watched it - @1:40 it seems valid. I don't want you to think I'm being unfair, I just watched the whole clip, it's almost 2 minutes long. I don't think I misunderstood the context at all. I never thought he meant that he was suggesting w9omen should be punished for legal abortions.
Wait a second.  Let me see if I've got this right.  The hypothetical being posed is that abortions are illegal.  The question is posed, "if women break that ban should they be punished?"  And you are faulting him for saying yes?  I don't get it. Please help me out.  Are you saying a Presidential candidate should come out advocate not following the rule of law?  Is the deal where liberals get to decide what laws are enforced and laws aren't?  Even the hypothetical ones?

Holy cow this country has gone ####ing nuts.

 
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