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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

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Does Donald not realize that every 4 years candidates have to come to LA to wrangle our corrupt politicians? It's not like we don't put a flag out saying 'hey we might just screw you,' we do, just get your ### down here and play the game. He did nothing here. Didn't make the effort. Cruz did. Then Donald acts all shocked his credit card was stolen when he left it at the bar overnight. It takes management, which is supposed to be one of Donald's strengths.

Also about the pledge, why would he keep it, maybe to keep the delegates he already won, for one reason? All the candidates took the pledge, but none of them have outright rejected it. Only Donald has done that and basically made an unforced error.
So, let me see if I understand your points correctly. 

First, It's ok that Donald has lost delegates in LA because he didn't play their crooked political game in LA while Cruz was slimy enough slimy enough to kiss their corrupt asses.

Second, its ok to use lawyer speak to circumvent the a pledged oath while Donald is man enough to just call it like it is. 

Is that right?

 
They will hold their nose and give it to Cruz. Only way to somewhat save face. 
For the GOP loyalists (not really sure who is who in that regard so it's an open question), does it give you pause that your party is at a point where one can believe voting for Cruz is "saving face"?  Genuine question.

 
For the GOP loyalists (not really sure who is who in that regard so it's an open question), does it give you pause that your party is at a point where one can believe voting for Cruz is "saving face"?  Genuine question.
Only because he will be the only one close in number of delegates and votes to Trump. I think they have to avoid completely disregarding the people's actual votes. And by far the majority of their own party's voters clearly want either Trump or Cruz.

 
For the GOP loyalists (not really sure who is who in that regard so it's an open question), does it give you pause that your party is at a point where one can believe voting for Cruz is "saving face"?  Genuine question.
Only because he will be the only one close in number of delegates and votes to Trump. I think they have to avoid completely disregarding the people's actual votes. And by far the majority of their own party's voters clearly want either Trump or Cruz.
Regardless of the reasons, my question still stands.  I'd have to be wondering WTF is going on that we got to this point and begin looking for some serious solutions.

 
Yeah...at some point you have to realize you're just feeding the troll and in those situations nobody really wins other than the troll.  I wish everyone would just put this clown on ignore and cut him off at the root.  

I'm looking at you Junior and Sho.  
I'm just surprised he has not put me on ignore yet.

 
The key to understanding what's going to happen in Cleveland, IMO, is that the RNC would rather lose the election than lose down ticket races, particulary control of the Senate and the House. 

 
If you noticed last night, during dfsguy's meltdown, even the most staunch Trump supporters backed off and left him on an island. His "sorry but I have to put you on ignore" shtick sounds like something a fourth grader would come up with. Bottom line is, this white supremacist crap is not a good look for the board. And then him sitting here trying to defend it is just :crazy:
This isn't quite true. Higgs and Dr. Oadi jumped to his defense. 

 
I disagree, respectfully.  I think stink needs to air out to dissipate.  I think rocks need to be turned over if one wants to eliminate things hiding beneath.  The dankness of ignorance needs to be welcomed into the sunlight of reason to evaporate in the light and heat.  I welcome expression shared rather than secrets whispered in an echo chamber.
Beautiful writing dude.  Seriously.

 
So, let me see if I understand your points correctly. 

First, It's ok that Donald has lost delegates in LA because he didn't play their crooked political game in LA while Cruz was slimy enough slimy enough to kiss their corrupt asses.

Second, its ok to use lawyer speak to circumvent the a pledged oath while Donald is man enough to just call it like it is. 

Is that right?
1. I didn't say it's ok, I said its his fault he did not organize and show up for the fight. Donald didn't get beat, he didn't show up.  Btw there are 4 states left on the schedule where the state's will also be appointing unbound delegates - CO, WY, ND, & PA, IIRC. Is Donald going to show up there or just let Cruz do whatever he wants?

2. It's a contract, he signed it. It's a manly thing to violate it? Complaining that he's not being treated fairly sounds manly to you? Donald needs to take care of business.

 
Just a bunch of stuff I've been reading. 
I think it would be a fairly logical thing for Repubs to do. I'd just like to know if they're really doing it. Because I'm thinking more than ever that America isn't going to come close to electing anyone in the GOP stable this year and the smart guys better focus on protecting the down ticket where they can remain strong and relevant.

 
I think it would be a fairly logical thing for Repubs to do. I'd just like to know if they're really doing it. Because I'm thinking more than ever that America isn't going to come close to electing anyone in the GOP stable this year and the smart guys better focus on protecting the down ticket where they can remain strong and relevant.
Agreed but there's a big danger for them. If it looks to people like Trump is getting robbed it could make things even worse. 

 
I disagree, respectfully.  I think stink needs to air out to dissipate.  I think rocks need to be turned over if one wants to eliminate things hiding beneath.  The dankness of ignorance needs to be welcomed into the sunlight of reason to evaporate in the light and heat.  I welcome expression shared rather than secrets whispered in an echo chamber.
If dfsguy was a poster who truly was willing to engage with others in discussion this might be true no matter how reprehensible his beliefs. But I think it's his style as much as his content that Anthony was commenting about.

 
I think the Don truly believed he would bring together a large coalition of voters. Unfortunately it looks like the actual outcome is a deterioration into even more divisive politics. So obviously Ds and Rs have been fractured and unable to work with each other for over a dozen years now (prior to that there was actually something known as bi-partisanship, but that's for another time), but with Trump now it seems like the Rs are totally fractured within themselves.

Hyperbole aside, this national election is over, as long as Hillary doesn't screw things up (which she can easily do because she stinks ###).

 
If dfsguy was a poster who truly was willing to engage with others in discussion this might be true no matter how reprehensible his beliefs. But I think it's his style as much as his content that Anthony was commenting about.
More than partially why I registered my disagreement respectfully.  I understand emotion, frustration, and antagonism, and I am far from immune to those feelings, or from natural reactions thereto.  Certainly the tool of marginalizing by not engaging is a tool I have used, as is denigration.  I recognize my own hypocrisies.  In the ultimate hypocrisy I view my own as paradoxes I am comfortable embracing, rather than merely as hypocrisies. The connotation difference comforts me, I guess.  My own disingenuousness and hubris no longer shocks me.  A surrender perhaps.  There was a time when I struggled to do better, to be more.  In the end my search for truth lead me no further than the efforts by most others in that noble folly.

 
I think there is something a bit off because the ballots don't reflect it. It's kind of sad but I think that many of Trump's supporters are afraid to admit they are voting for him and in these types of polls will say the opposite because they don't want to feel judged.  
He has polled under 50% at the ballots too.  Why do you think its a bit off?

Now, the poll might be skewed and all...but I don't think its that far fetched given the low % Trump is seeing and the fact that it is this contested right now.

 
He has polled under 50% at the ballots too.  Why do you think its a bit off?

Now, the poll might be skewed and all...but I don't think its that far fetched given the low % Trump is seeing and the fact that it is this contested right now.
Also the ballots only reflect the preferences of voters in the GOP primary, that poll is from the general population.  When it refers to white men as a "Republican-leaning group" that only means that white men tend to vote that way on the whole, not that the subset is limited only to GOP-leaning white men.

 
Agreed but there's a big danger for them. If it looks to people like Trump is getting robbed it could make things even worse. 
This is why I said they will just go with the next most popular candidate. They cannot completely disregard what their own voters want. 

 
He's working his way out of the predicament he got himself into. The only true way for him to think he is victorious is to lose a brokered convention, have Hillary defeat the R candidate and then he proclaims that he would have won. It's all setting up perfectly for that scenario.
So your prediction is that if he loses the nomination at the convention, Trump will not run 3rd party? 

 
So your prediction is that if he loses the nomination at the convention, Trump will not run 3rd party? 
He can do that and still proclaim victory. It think he definitely takes it into consideration. All he has to do is say that the R siphoned off the votes he would have received.

 
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He's working his way out of the predicament he got himself into. The only true way for him to think he is victorious is to lose a brokered convention, have Hillary defeat the R candidate and then he proclaims that he would have won. It's all setting up perfectly for that scenario.
You may be right. I think I read or heard somewhere that Trump's original goal was to run for president, make an impact and that would be an accomplishment. I'm not sure he wants to be the nominee, or maybe he doesn't (didn't) know what to do now that it's within his grasp. He's a pontificator and a point maker and maybe that's where he is best served and where he best serves all of us. If he affects the GOP in a good way in the end, that's great. Right now, he's not. Personally to me he should have run third party or independent to begin with and he never would have been slowed up by all this party stuff. I don't know who made a bigger mistake, Preibus for letting Trump in or Trump demanding to be let in.

 
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You may be right. I think I read or heard somewhere that Trump's original goal was to run for president, make an impact and that would be an accomplishment. I'm not sure he wants to be the nominee, or maybe he doesn't (didn't) know what to do now that it's within his grasp. He's a pontificator and a point maker and maybe that's where he is best served and where he best serves all of us. If he affects the GOP in a good way in the end, that's great. Right now, he's not. Personally to me he should have run third party or independent to begin with and he never would have been slowed up by all this party stuff. I don't know who made a bigger mistake, Preibus for letting Trump in or Trump demanding to be let in.
He's coming close to accomplishing what I hoped for and that is the destruction of the existing 2 party system.

 
He's coming close to accomplishing what I hoped for and that is the destruction of the existing 2 party system.
Neither party is remotely close to being destroyed. Republicans may lose in 2016, but they'll come back as strong as ever in 2018 and 2020 -- maybe even stronger if the country experiences another recession while Hillary is president.

 
So your prediction is that if he loses the nomination at the convention, Trump will not run 3rd party? 


My totally uneducated guess: he has no interest in running as a third party candidate and he's using the threat as leverage against the GOP.  There's no upside in a third party candidacy for him. He'd lose for sure and would end up wasting many months and possibly dollars (although I actually think he'll end up turning a profit on this campaign if he gets the nom or bails out at the convention, but that's another matter), and because of what he might say on the trail that could alienate potential investors and customers in the future. Just doesn't make sense. He's crazy, but I don't think he's that crazy, and I think he's obsessed with being seen as a winner.  If he gets the most delegates but doesn't get the nomination he gets to go out as a winner.

 
Neither party is remotely close to being destroyed. Republicans may lose in 2016, but they'll come back as strong as ever in 2018 and 2020 -- maybe even stronger if the country experiences another recession while Hillary is president.
If we are all being dry and neutral here there is no doubt the left and the right want reform. More people than ever are not registered to either party. A large number of people want integrity in government or the pretense of it, and they want the parties to be responsive to lower and middle class voters (and non voters who have abandoned the system btw) on fair enforcement of the laws in big banking/finance and immigration, employment/jobs/trade, and foreign policy. A good portion of the people who do the heavy lifting fairly or not feel ignored left and right. Personally I do not think Hillary as president is going to ameliorate these feelings, I think they will worsen. I think it's unfortunate that Donald has proven so personally unsuited to the task, and it's unfortunate that Bernie Sanders, while truly IMO the reform candidate in this race, that his policies are not more centrist or at least enough to get the Dem nomination, because clearly the people do want a reform oriented, honestly speaking candidate who will be responsive to their desires. Eventually the system has to provide that, and it will.

 
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My totally uneducated guess: he has no interest in running as a third party candidate and he's using the threat as leverage against the GOP. 
I agree. Best case scenario for Trump and his ego is for the GOP to give the nomination to someone else so he doesn't get destroyed in the general. I also agree with what Lod01 said about him carrying on that he would have won after Hillary ultimately wins the election. Win/win for Trump.

 
I agree. Best case scenario for Trump and his ego is for the GOP to give the nomination to someone else so he doesn't get destroyed in the general. I also agree with what Lod01 said about him carrying on that he would have won after Hillary ultimately wins the election. Win/win for Trump.
"I would've been a terrific president, the best president. I had lots of great ideas and, you know, words."

 
1. I didn't say it's ok, I said its his fault he did not organize and show up for the fight. Donald didn't get beat, he didn't show up.  Btw there are 4 states left on the schedule where the state's will also be appointing unbound delegates - CO, WY, ND, & PA, IIRC. Is Donald going to show up there or just let Cruz do whatever he wants?

2. It's a contract, he signed it. It's a manly thing to violate it? Complaining that he's not being treated fairly sounds manly to you? Donald needs to take care of business.
Its actually funny that he won the state, without any ground game.  I think its kind of strange that the RNC doesn't get control of all the different rules and kind of standardize everything. 

He's violated the oath as much as Cruz and Kasich.  No one has outright rejected it, have they?

 
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