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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (2 Viewers)

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SameSongNDance said:
Twitter is mostly frequented by millennials and millennials despise social conservatism. It is true, twitter ####s on conservatives (and Trump) on a daily basis. It's not so much a war however, it's more like the counter-culture movement of the 60s but with memes and snark.
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So... Why are social conservatives on there? Isn't that kind of like Goldwater going to Woodstock?

 
Higgs said:
Just a suggestion Henry, because you do seem to be a guy who is genuinely interested in the truth.  Look into conservative news sites - I'd recommend Breitbart.  You are smart enough to discern what is partisan garbage and what is probably newsworthy and true.  It helps guard against confirmation bias, which everyone needs to do.  I'm a Conservative (though not as much as people in here think) but I read HuffPost and Salon every single day.  Here are some articles about Twitter and the controversy with shutting down conservative voices recently...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/twitters-attempt-to-silence-generation-trump/

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/02/is-twitter-silencing-conservatives/
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Yeah, found those quickly. Prefer this.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/20/did-twitters-orwellian-trust-and-safety

 
Henry Ford said:
So... Why are social conservatives on there? Isn't that kind of like Goldwater going to Woodstock?
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They still have a voice, it's just not as large. And you can choose what you want to see, who to interact with and etc. so any person can mold twitter into their own personal echo chamber. 

 
HellToupee said:
Why is it for the better , were they bad people? Are the newer people better? Not ball busting , genuinely curious
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No problem. These are fair questions. 

Australia, from federation (1901) had a white australia policy. This was mainly due to the impact of a) its british heritage, b) xenophobia and c) the chinese settlers from the gold rush in the 1860s.

There were warnings prior to world war 2 that this would have to stop as Australia had to "populate or perish". White Australia was gradually phased out between 1949 and 1973, but 1966 was the biggest change. The southern european migration of post ww2 helped a lot. Major government schemes required masses of labor that Australia simply didnt have. My mother and father in 1970 had to pay the grand sum of $1 for air fare, a guaranteed job and guaranteed accommodation. My father was of non european origin and my mother was german. It was extremely tough for him, but like most migrants he got on with it for the hope of a better life for his children. Australia in the 1970s was unwelcomming for anyone of a non british background. Thanks to the white australia policy. 

Fast forward to now and Australia has taken on 7 million migrants in the last 40 years, a very high proportion of those whould have been rejected by the white australia policy. Australia deliberately embraced multiculturalism rather than assimilation and a big credit goes to the Whitlam labor government of 73-75, the conservative (the conservatives in Australia are called the liberals lol) Fraser government of 75-83 and the Hawke goverment of 83-91 (labor) for encouraging this move. Australia has a more diverse, richer and open outlook now. The migrant families on the whole put a premium on education leading to a more competitive economy and advances in science, technology and embracing the region it is in, not where it was from. Go to any big city and the different cuisines on offer is to die for. Like most migrants, the 1st generation does the hard work of building the foundations. The 2nd generation consolidates and the 3rd generation either pisses it all away or advances to become the movers and shakers, the decisionmakers etc. Australia is just moving the 1st lot of the 3rd generation through the upper education system and will reap the full fruits in the next 20 years. It takes time for migrants to settle their roots. 

There is still pockets of Australia who love to spread fear and hate and unfortunately the prime minister from 2013 to 2015, Tony Abbott, was a throwback. An excellent opposition leader who did a great job of sloganeering and holding the previous government to account, but couldnt run the government. An excellent example of this was his decision to reintorduce anachronistic knighthoods and give one to Prince Phillip, the queens husband. Quite rightly this was beginning of the end and his successor, Malcolm Turnbull, is much more forward thinking, but hamstrung by the conservative wing of his party. 

In one generations time Australia will have non british origin people highly invloved in government and business, not just a token one or 2 and be judged on who they are and not where they are from. As an example, The current leader of the senate in Australia is named Penny Wong who was born in Malaysia. 

 
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A reason it has worked better in Australia than eg Belgium and France is because Australia gave the migrants a better than even break. France and Belgium have made it difficult for non locals to get on the ladder leading to resentment and anger. They have allowed ghettos to flourish. Religion is going to be an issue, but patience will be required to get these people integrated, not isolated. An Australian neighbourhood can have 10 houses in a 20 house block from non british origin, obviously mainly in the bug cities. Very few ghetto's, although pockets of migrants are in certain suburbs but never only the poor ones

 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
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A reason it has worked better in Australia than eg Belgium and France is because Australia gave the migrants a better than even break. France and Belgium have made it difficult for non locals to get on the ladder leading to resentment and anger. They have allowed ghettos to flourish. Religion is going to be an issue, but patience will be required to get these people integrated, not isolated. An Australian neighbourhood can have 10 houses in a 20 house block from non british origin, obviously mainly in the bug cities. Very few ghetto's, although pockets of migrants are in certain suburbs but never only the poor ones
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Have you guys held Paul Hogan accountable for his crimes yet?

 
Henry Ford said:
Australia's European settlers' history with the aboriginal people of the continent is horrifying.
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This is true. It is similar to the treatment of Native Americans. Genocide, disease, stealing the children and raising them in white homes.

it is better now, but the problems with the ones still around will take generations to fix. 

 
North Dakota primary is today, 28 delegates. 

However 3 of the delegates are predetermined, they are the top 3 party leaders. The other 25 will be unbound but will use the vote today as a 'guide' on the first ballot. This will be a goat wrangle like LA where Donald's ability to marshal influence on the state party level will be key.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
North Dakota primary is today, 28 delegates. 

However 3 of the delegates are predetermined, they are the top 3 party leaders. The other 25 will be unbound but will use the vote today as a 'guide' on the first ballot. This will be a goat wrangle like LA where Donald's ability to marshal influence on the state party level will be key.
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Do you think anyone in the ND RNC looks at this process and says, "This is really dumb, maybe we make some changes"?  Or do they like the fact that 28 people hold the keys to the nomination?

 
Blick said:
Do you think anyone in the ND RNC looks at this process and says, "This is really dumb, maybe we make some changes"?  Or do they like the fact that 28 people hold the keys to the nomination?
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I'm not sure I even explained it correctly actually. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/01/heres-how-north-dakotas-republican-convention-works/

I can't tell if there's even a statewide vote anymore. I agree it seems undemocratic. However again Cruz is at least flying in to work for votes.

 
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timschochet said:
It really does feel like the tide is turning doesn't it? For the first time. And it's all self-inflicted. 
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It's fairly obvious that a nominee can't betray a core principle like pro life/choice in either party and even worse be clueless about it. His CBS interview might actually be worse than the Matthews one.

 
The talk among a lot of Trump supporters is that Trump doesn't want it.  The trolling of Cruz's wife was really the last straw for most people.  I don't think it gets enough attention.  That is what lost a lot of Trump supporters, some in this thread.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It's fairly obvious that a nominee can't betray a core principle like pro life/choice in either party and even worse be clueless about it. His CBS interview might actually be worse than the Matthews one.
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He managed to piss off both the pro life and pro choice people at the same time.  Give him credit - that's a tough thing to do.

 
Higgs said:
The talk among a lot of Trump supporters is that Trump doesn't want it.  The trolling of Cruz's wife was really the last straw for most people.  I don't think it gets enough attention.  That is what lost a lot of Trump supporters, some in this thread.
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I don't think he's trying to sabotage himself. I think he just knows he's crossed into no-man's land. He seems perplexed and he's just pushing buttons. Reality is he needed to put in hard work to transcend into being the nominee and to gather state party delegates and he seems either unaware of that or unwilling to do it due to the effort and personal discipline required.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I don't think he's trying to sabotage himself. I think he just knows he's crossed into no-man's land. He seems perplexed and he's just pushing buttons. Reality is he needed to put in hard work to transcend into being the nominee and to gather state party delegates and he seems either unaware of that or unwilling to do it due to the effort and personal discipline required.
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Exactly. He's not doing this on purpose. It's just gotten to a serious point in the process and people aren't letting him slide anymore. We all knew that eventually, he was going to need to do more than say 'make America great again' and tell people he'll make them safe by profiling anyone who isn't a white male. That works great when your intended target is the white male, but not so much for anyone else.  The media is now backing him into a corner and making him state his beliefs and policies. And he's failing miserably. He's not trying to, it's just painfully obvious that he's in way over his head.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I don't think he's trying to sabotage himself. I think he just knows he's crossed into no-man's land. He seems perplexed and he's just pushing buttons. Reality is he needed to put in hard work to transcend into being the nominee and to gather state party delegates and he seems either unaware of that or unwilling to do it due to the effort and personal discipline required.
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I waffle back and forth as to whether it's sabotage or not.  It's a fascinating question.  How could a man be so incredibly smart and intuitive about people fail so miserably when all he had to do was not be a ####?  The guy had this locked up - signed, sealed and delivered.  All he had to do was rise above the fray and act Presidential.  He knew this.  So he either sabotaged it or he has this unbelievably juvenile fatal flaw.  Is he a genius who has just been using this Presidential run to increase his brand and net worth?  Did he get close and then realize what a pain in the ### the job would be, and say, "Eh, I don't really want or need this"?  Or is the guy constitutionally unable to control his childish reactions when he is trolled?  

 
Higgs said:
I waffle back and forth as to whether it's sabotage or not.  It's a fascinating question.  How could a man be so incredibly smart and intuitive about people fail so miserably when all he had to do was not be a ####?  The guy had this locked up - signed, sealed and delivered.  All he had to do was rise above the fray and act Presidential.  
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Because his 'incredible smarts' is limited to a very small skillset. He's good at selling himself. And he's good at promoting fear and targeting a certain demographic. He's never shown an ounce of intelligence anywhere else. And even his staunchest of supporters have to admit that he's extremely immature. It's not easy to flip a switch and 'act Presidential' when your mind works like an eleven year-old.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It's fairly obvious that a nominee can't betray a core principle like pro life/choice in either party and even worse be clueless about it. His CBS interview might actually be worse than the Matthews one.
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"The [abortion] laws are set. And I think we have to leave it that way."

He probably could have gotten away with that quote back when crowds were hanging on his every word and cheering wildly at the end of every sentence. But now? I don't see how he can explain that to his supporters. It completely craps on everything the pro-life movement stands for.

What's next? "We need some gun control."??

 
Higgs said:
I can't say it enough, I love that crazy #####.  I could listen to her insane ramblings all day.  Pure entertainment.  And is it my imagination or is she looking more and more like Tina Fey every day?
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She looks bloated and disheveled. Her trademark cheekbones are almost gone. She looks kinda like a fat Mariska Hargitay.

 
JuniorNB said:
Exactly. He's not doing this on purpose. It's just gotten to a serious point in the process and people aren't letting him slide anymore. We all knew that eventually, he was going to need to do more than say 'make America great again' and tell people he'll make them safe by profiling anyone who isn't a white male. That works great when your intended target is the white male, but not so much for anyone else.  The media is now backing him into a corner and making him state his beliefs and policies. And he's failing miserably. He's not trying to, it's just painfully obvious that he's in way over his head.
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The closest analogy to Trump that I can find is Joe McCarthy- not a perfect analogy by any means. But McCarthy never ran for President- he hid within a Senate committee and a lot of the public was unaware of his idiocy until it was finally exposed on television. If McCarthy had run for President in 1952 he would have begun with a big lead and then may have self-destructed the way Trump now MIGHT be doing. 

 
JuniorNB said:
Because his 'incredible smarts' is limited to a very small skillset. He's good at selling himself. And he's good at promoting fear and targeting a certain demographic. He's never shown an ounce of intelligence anywhere else. And even his staunchest of supporters have to admit that he's extremely immature. It's not easy to flip a switch and 'act Presidential' when your mind works like an eleven year-old.
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Right.  Trump is just a bumbling fool.  That explains why he has been so successful his whole life in one of the toughest businesses on the planet.  That explains why he was a 100-1 underdog to win the nomination yet somehow managed to get within a c-hair of getting it. Oh, and he did all this without having to raise a ####load of money from PACs or private donations, basically using the media to completely find an entire campaign.  You call that idiotic.  I call it brilliant.  I'll agree though with the 11 year old part.  That does appear to have been his Achilles heel.

 
timschochet said:
Roger Stone organizing pro-Trump protests for Cleveland, thinks violence is likely: 

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/721920
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Somebody pro-Trump posted a Stone interview further up and I thought that hey this is actually interesting stuff. He sounds like someone who was very gifted politically but was just absorbed with the Dark Force. This is probably another example. It doesn't help Donald (is this what 'leverage' now means, extortion (nice city ya got here, shame if somethin' happened to it...'?) and as I've said this is a nasty virus that America has been immune to for some time now. In that interview Stone also said he talks with Donald nearly every day. We know Donald could get him to stop this, if so I hope he does.

Funny thing is everyone thought from tv Donald was this ruthless manager who would 'You're Fired!' all over the place. The opposite has been true on the campaign. He has defended his people to the hilt and beyond. He did supposedly can Stone but that seems to have been more to allow him distance to do his thing without it being linked to Donald, again per Stone they talk almost every day.

 
I talk with a lot of Trump supporters.  Some people got pissed with the abortion abortion this past week.  What they were pissed about was his complete lack of preparation and staying on point in the Matthews interview.  But what really upset people most was the Heidi Cruz trolling.  A lot of people I have talked with found that to be totally unnecessary and nasty.  I was surprised at the number of people who actually walked away from Trump based on that one tweet from him.  Heidi was a sympathetic figure.  Unlike Rosie or some of the other people who had attacked Trump, Heidi really was an innocent victim and didn't deserve any of that.

 
timschochet said:
Another aspect of this is that Ted Cruz has turned out to be a better campaigner than anyone realized. 
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Cruz is like Sanders in that he is intellectually rigorous and is fully schooled in dialectic. He has also been a disciplined, tough and constant campaigner. Unlike Sanders people view him as a weasel and his rep bears that out.

 
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timschochet said:
Sarah Palin campaigns for Trump in Wisconsin with completely unhinged bizarre rant even for her: 

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sarah-palin-flops-with-weird-speech-about-immigrants-seduced-with-teddy-bears-and-soccer-balls/
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The crowd supposedly was dead silent.

[edited]  Weird to me that she campaigns through her husband's recovery. It's weird horrible but also weird like it must be a difficult and stressful experience because her personal life is in total turmoil. I guess he's better. I still can't see a wife just leaving her husband behind in that situation.

 
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Higgs said:
Right.  Trump is just a bumbling fool.  That explains why he has been so successful his whole life in one of the toughest businesses on the planet.  That explains why he was a 100-1 underdog to win the nomination yet somehow managed to get within a c-hair of getting it. Oh, and he did all this without having to raise a ####load of money from PACs or private donations, basically using the media to completely find an entire campaign.  You call that idiotic.  I call it brilliant.  I'll agree though with the 11 year old part.  That does appear to have been his Achilles heel.
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He was given a fortune and his father was a real estate tycoon. He managed to use that head start and knowledge to make lots of money. Through the years, he because very good at it (at times). I did say that he was very intelligent in a very limited scope. He is good at what he does. He has shown me absolutely nothing that would indicate that he is an overall intelligent person. In fact, when I hear him say things like he knows a lot of good words and witness him rambling in circles without ever actually addressing the question asked, I wonder if he even has average intelligence.

 
JuniorNB said:
Because his 'incredible smarts' is limited to a very small skillset. He's good at selling himself. And he's good at promoting fear and targeting a certain demographic. He's never shown an ounce of intelligence anywhere else. And even his staunchest of supporters have to admit that he's extremely immature. It's not easy to flip a switch and 'act Presidential' when your mind works like an eleven year-old.
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I said from day 1 that he's not qualified to be president by virtue of the fact that he's never served in any gov't capacity whatsoever. That really matters, I don't care what he's done in the private sector. There is actually a learning curve and a unique skill set to govern effectively. Throw out all the bizarre and bigoted statements. How do people discount his lack of experience when considering him for commander in chief and leader of the free world? Maybe he could've overcome that if he made an attempt to actually learn about the issues, and then communicate on the same level as the other candidates. Apparently he couldn't be bothered.

 
McGarnicle said:
Wow, she's always been a ranting fruitcake but now seems genuinely unwell. I hope she gets help for whatever the hell that is. F'n bizarre.
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:lmao:  Yeah, she has really gone off the deep end.  It's either early onset dementia or drug use.  Personally I think it's drugs.

 
McGarnicle said:
I said from day 1 that he's not qualified to be president by virtue of the fact that he's never served in any gov't capacity whatsoever. That really matters, I don't care what he's done in the private sector. There is actually a learning curve and a unique skill set to govern effectively. Throw out all the bizarre and bigoted statements. How do people discount his lack of experience when considering him for commander in chief and leader of the free world? Maybe he could've overcome that if he made an attempt to actually learn about the issues, and then communicate on the same level as the other candidates. Apparently he couldn't be bothered.
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But this goes back to Atlas Shrugged. One of my favorite novels, but one with a completely absurd political premise, which is that politicians aren't needed, and that businessmen can simply take over and run everything. Unfortunately this premise has taken over a good chunk of the Republican Party. 

 
Henry Ford said:
"White people ####ing might get outnumbered by other groups ####ing" is not a genocide.  
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If it helps things out I am willing to impregnate Scarlett Johanson instead of Zoe Saldano.  If, however that would make me racist I am just fine with Zoe Saldano.  I am also more than happy to be switched to having responsibility for mixing my genes with Shu Qi.  Whatever it takes for harmony in the world.  Frankly, if my skin cancer inviting genes are breed out of the gene pool that would be a good thing.

 
JuniorNB said:
He was given a fortune and his father was a real estate tycoon. He managed to use that head start and knowledge to make lots of money. Through the years, he because very good at it (at times). I did say that he was very intelligent in a very limited scope. He is good at what he does. He has shown me absolutely nothing that would indicate that he is an overall intelligent person. In fact, when I hear him say things like he knows a lot of good words and witness him rambling in circles without ever actually addressing the question asked, I wonder if he even has average intelligence.
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There's all different kinds of intelligence.  Trump's greatest skill is that he is people smart, and a master at manipulation.  People think because he repeats the same things over and over at his rallies that he is dumb, or limited.  Couldn't be more wrong.  He intentionally does that, and the other politicians should learn from it.  Trump keeps his rallies interesting and he connects with people.  He communicates in words, phrases, and storylines that most people can relate to.  He flies at 30,000 feet which is the right level for a Presidential candidate in my opinion.  He is plenty intelligent enough.  The guy went to an Ivy League school and from what I have heard he did well there.

Where Trump falls apart is that he talks way too much, and he is still not all that polished when it comes to knowing when to obfuscate and dodge an issue.  He fell right into Chris Matthews' abortion trap.  And the juvenile trolling and inability to rise above an insult or a slight and just walk away... Totally bizarre.  And a deal breaker for President.

 
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