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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

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E-Z Glider said:
Gun to your head, which do you place you wager on? (not who you want to win, but who you would lay your money on).

Odds to become Republican Nominee

Trump -125

Cruz +150
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Cruz was +10000 a couple months ago. He was +3600 about a month ago. Dammit! I knew I should have thrown some money on him.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Gun to your head, which do you place you wager on? (not who you want to win, but who you would lay your money on).

Odds to become Republican Nominee

Trump -125

Cruz +150
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This is your best last chance to get Trump at these odds. After the next run of states, it's only going to get worse. 

The media and Cruz may be able to spin Trump's win in NY, but they'll have a harder time after he wins the next set of states. 

 
Dominating NY and PA. Cruz getting destroyed. Scrawny 100 or so total losers outside protesting Trump's speech.

 
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Colorado Trump Delegate Removed And Replaced

Asinine.
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In fact, according to a series of conversations with party officials, while Lindsey did show up to his precinct caucus and was elected as a delegate to the county assembly, he never showed up to the county assembly, or, at the very least, never signed in for his credentials. On Facebook, he erroneously claimed he’d been elected as a delegate to the state assembly from his precinct caucus, something that is not possible under the rules in Douglas County.
“Since Mr. Lindsey did not attend the County District Assembly he was not elected to be a delegate to the State Assembly, nor could he have been, so there is no way that he would have been listed as a delegate to the State Convention when he tried to check in on Saturday morning,” Tanne Blackburn, chairman of the Douglas County Republican Party, explained in a press release.
He’s blaming his own comprehension failures on the Colorado Republican Party and claiming the party targeted him for being a Trump voter. In truth, he wasn’t even a delegate to the state assembly to begin with.
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/11/colorado-proves-donald-trump-cant-handle-the-rigors-of-a-campaign/

This guy did not know where to show up. A properly run campaign and a diligent state campaign manager would have coordinated this. Cruz has an actual website in CO with every delegate name listed.

 
JuniorNB said:
Yeah, he entered that about two weeks ago. And hasn't done anything right since. The Vegas odds reflect it. As does Higgs and dfsguy's disappearance. He's like a turtle on his back right now. Struggling to right himself, but flailing away miserably.
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Did @Higgs get a timeout?  Seems like @lod01 is the only true soldier now.  

 
bananafish said:
Sluts calling for abstinence is, um, interesting, as is people calling for voters to register while being too stupid to register themselves. 

Just so we're clear, I've no beef with sluttiness, just with hypocrisy and incompetence. Lucky for us this tapestry is rich with both.
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What about mind-bottles?  How do you feel about those?

 
lod01 said:
Dominating NY and PA. Cruz getting destroyed. Scrawny 100 or so total losers outside protesting Trump's speech.
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Not making any friends in Pittsburgh--scheduling his pep rally right between the Pirates and Pens on Wednesday, going to screw up traffic all over town.

 
Regardless of what you think of The Donald, he certainly has energized and captivated a certain slice of the populace.  Just because we think their candidate's not suited to be president doesn't mean we shouldn't listen and negotiate with these folks.  They can't just be brushed aside like they're worthless, they are Americans.

 
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James Daulton said:
Regardless of what you think of The Donald, he certainly has energized and captivated a certain slice of the populace.  Just because we think their candidate's not suited to be president doesn't mean we shouldn't listen and negotiate with these folks.  They can't just be brushed aside like they're worthless, they are Americans.
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So did Palin.  :brush:

 
James Daulton said:
Regardless of what you think of The Donald, he certainly has energized and captivated a certain slice of the populace.  Just because we think their candidate's not suited to be president doesn't mean we shouldn't listen and negotiate with these folks.  They can't just be brushed aside like they're worthless, they are Americans.
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You would think the RNC would take this approach being that it makes up 30% - 40% of their support.  It won't happen though, they'll find a way to bury Trump and expect his support to show up and support their candidate.  I'm not sure it will happen this time.

 
James Daulton said:
Regardless of what you think of The Donald, he certainly has energized and captivated a certain slice of the populace.  Just because we think their candidate's not suited to be president doesn't mean we shouldn't listen and negotiate with these folks.  They can't just be brushed aside like they're worthless, they are Americans.
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The support for Trump is about the same as the levels of support for George Wallace in 1968.  Does that mean that we should have listened to and negotiated with his pro-segregation supporters?

In 1954 a Gallup Poll gave Joe McCarthy higher favorability ratings than Donald Trump enjoys now.  Does that mean we should have listened to and negotiated with the people who approved of his tactics?

Some ideas are so stupid (or worse) that by embracing them you sacrifice the right to be taken seriously.  Supporting Donald Trump for President in the wake of his clear bigotry and incompetence is one of them.

 
James Daulton said:
Regardless of what you think of The Donald, he certainly has energized and captivated a certain slice of the populace.  Just because we think their candidate's not suited to be president doesn't mean we shouldn't listen and negotiate with these folks.  They can't just be brushed aside like they're worthless, they are Americans.
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There's a huge segment of our country that is dumb.  They should not be ignored, because they are part of our country, but that doesn't mean they should be making decisions.  

Just because our political system is broken, and I agree with that, doesn't mean Donald is going to fix it.  He's just a different kind of broken.  

His people shouldn't be taken seriously.  They are simply listening to the rhetoric, they smile and cheer when he says something terrible, and are more interested in Donald not being politically correct than having a clue how to run the country.  They like to hear slogans, they have no interest in facts, AT ALL, and are the definition of the lowest common denominator.  They make me embarrassed to be American.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
The support for Trump is about the same as the levels of support for George Wallace in 1968.  Does that mean that we should have listened to and negotiated with his pro-segregation supporters?

In 1954 a Gallup Poll gave Joe McCarthy higher favorability ratings than Donald Trump enjoys now.  Does that mean we should have listened to and negotiated with the people who approved of his tactics?

Some ideas are so stupid (or worse) that by embracing them you sacrifice the right to be taken seriously.  Supporting Donald Trump for President in the wake of his clear bigotry and incompetence is one of them.
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Since he's "clearly" a bigot and incompetent, I'll leave that alone.

Why wouldn't the Cruz or Kasich try to capitalize some of the energy generated by Trump and his supporters?  Things like trade agreements and finance reform will resonate with not only a large portion of Trump's supporters, but also take some of the Bernie people in the general. 

 
massraider said:
There's a huge segment of our country that is dumb.  They should not be ignored, because they are part of our country, but that doesn't mean they should be making decisions.  

Just because our political system is broken, and I agree with that, doesn't mean Donald is going to fix it.  He's just a different kind of broken.  

His people shouldn't be taken seriously.  They are simply listening to the rhetoric, they smile and cheer when he says something terrible, and are more interested in Donald not being politically correct than having a clue how to run the country.  They like to hear slogans, they have no interest in facts, AT ALL, and are the definition of the lowest common denominator.  They make me embarrassed to be American.  
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Let's just ignore at large portion, mostly middle class, of this country.  Gotcha.

 
Blick said:
Since he's "clearly" a bigot and incompetent, I'll leave that alone.

Why wouldn't the Cruz or Kasich try to capitalize some of the energy generated by Trump and his supporters?  Things like trade agreements and finance reform will resonate with not only a large portion of Trump's supporters, but also take some of the Bernie people in the general. 
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Well for one thing they're both pro free trade so that would be quite a reversal. 

 
Blick said:
Since he's "clearly" a bigot and incompetent, I'll leave that alone.

Why wouldn't the Cruz or Kasich try to capitalize some of the energy generated by Trump and his supporters?  Things like trade agreements and finance reform will resonate with not only a large portion of Trump's supporters, but also take some of the Bernie people in the general. 
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I don't really know what "finance reform" means, but sure, they're welcome to take his position on trade agreements and run with it. I think it's bad economics and pretty much every economist I've ever read on the subject agrees, but they're free to make the case. Hopefully without all the bigotry and misogyny and xenophobia ... although I get the strange feeling it might not be as appealing to the Trump supporters without that stuff.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I don't really know what "finance reform" means, but sure, they're welcome to take his position on trade agreements and run with it. I think it's bad economics and pretty much every economist I've ever read on the subject agrees, but they're free to make the case. Hopefully without all the bigotry and misogyny and xenophobia ... although I get the strange feeling it might not be as appealing to the Trump supporters without that stuff.
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If Ted Cruz ran out of the locker room, tore his shirt off, and did a suplex with the Chinese president off the top turnbuckle, I think he might gain some Trump supporters.  

 
Blick said:
Since he's "clearly" a bigot and incompetent, I'll leave that alone.

Why wouldn't the Cruz or Kasich try to capitalize some of the energy generated by Trump and his supporters?  Things like trade agreements and finance reform will resonate with not only a large portion of Trump's supporters, but also take some of the Bernie people in the general. 
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Yeah, doing that would probably resonate with the 10 or 12 Trump supporters who are on board for those issues.

 
Blick said:
Let's just ignore at large portion, mostly middle class, of this country.  Gotcha.
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Yeah, those poor voiceless historically oppressed Trump supporters. Why doesn't anyone listen to middle class suburban white Christian men in this country?  They just can't catch a break.

 
Really, how hard is it to imagine Trump letting out a Ric Flair 'WOOOOO' during a speech?  

Can't believe he hasn't done it already.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yeah, those poor voiceless historically oppressed Trump supporters. Why doesn't anyone listen to middle class suburban white Christian men in this country?  They just can't catch a break.
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Same old tired line from you.  Not sure what has caused you to develop such a deep seated animosity towards white males, but it's pretty sad.

 
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Higgs said:
Same old tired line from you.  Not sure what has caused you to develop such a deep seated animosity towards white males, but it's pretty sad.
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I've got no problem with white males. In fact I am one (although admittedly not a Christian suburban white male). My quarrel is with Trump supporters who actually think they're the ones that don't have a voice and can't catch a break in this country. In other words, my quarrel is with crybabies. Oh, and xenophobes and anti-Muslim bigots.  Not a fan of those people either.

Nice to see you back, though! This thread was getting boring as Trump has fallen off.  I thought we'd have to wait until his win in New York before you and the Facebook crew returned.

 
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Blick said:
Let's just ignore at large portion, mostly middle class, of this country.  Gotcha.
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I consider myself middle class, yet I don't identify whatsoever with most of the mouth breathing idiots they show on TV attending his rallies. 

I think I've been extremely open-minded and patient, both in this thread and elsewhere, trying to find the logical argument for Trump. Trying to find Trump supporters whose intelligence I can respect. Reading and listening to stuff from a wide spectrum of sources. I've done that because I refused to believe so many Americans could be so ignorant, or bigoted, or misguided.

This thread has become a complete waste of time in that endeavor, and the more I've learned about Trump, the more I put him in the fringe/kook/nutjob/dangerous/fascist category. His candidacy has not one redeeming quality, even as I contrast him with Hillary who I despise.

But I also have to acknowledge that I'm doing really well and don't have 1% of the anger that so many people out there have for Obama, or the establishment, or illegals, or China or whatever. I got a nice promotion last year, and Obamacare hasn't affected me one iota. The Mexicans I've encountered around here are generally nice, hardworking folks. The Trump movement seems more about anger, desperation and resentment more than anything else, and I'm just not feeling those things. And if someone is so miserable that they'd resort to a Donald Trump presidency as a last gasp to try to eek out some shred of a decent life, or a need to return to some fantasy version of an America that Trump could create or "make great again", I feel genuine empathy for that person. Clearly that's not a happy person in general.

 
Higgs said:
Same old tired line from you.  Not sure what has caused you to develop such a deep seated animosity towards white males, but it's pretty sad.
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Are you guys finally slinking back with your tails between your legs? Or did you go against the rest of the group and act independently?

 
TobiasFunke said:
The support for Trump is about the same as the levels of support for George Wallace in 1968.  Does that mean that we should have listened to and negotiated with his pro-segregation supporters?

In 1954 a Gallup Poll gave Joe McCarthy higher favorability ratings than Donald Trump enjoys now.  Does that mean we should have listened to and negotiated with the people who approved of his tactics?

Some ideas are so stupid (or worse) that by embracing them you sacrifice the right to be taken seriously.  Supporting Donald Trump for President in the wake of his clear bigotry and incompetence is one of them.
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Using your definition of bigotry, Cruz is a bigot too.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yeah, those poor voiceless historically oppressed Trump supporters. Why doesn't anyone listen to middle class suburban white Christian men in this country?  They just can't catch a break.
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I am sorry, but what does being " white" & "Christian" have to do with anything? 

 
JuniorNB said:
Are you guys finally slinking back with your tails between your legs? Or did you go against the rest of the group and act independently?
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Its impossible for anyone to keep up with such a high energy campaign. 

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I've got no problem with white males. In fact I am one (although admittedly not a Christian suburban white male). My quarrel is with Trump supporters who actually think they're the ones that don't have a voice and can't catch a break in this country. In other words, my quarrel is with crybabies. Oh, and xenophobes and anti-Muslim bigots.  Not a fan of those people either.

Nice to see you back, though! This thread was getting boring as Trump has fallen off.  I thought we'd have to wait until his win in New York before you and the Facebook crew returned.
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Straw man much? Can you point to one middle class white male who said/thought that they can't catch a break? Or is that just projecting your own inadequacies?

 
Warrior said:
Straw man much? Can you point to one middle class white male who said/thought that they can't catch a break? Or is that just projecting your own inadequacies?
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What about the Clinton supporters that think they can't catch a break?  Or the Sanders' supporters?  What about the Cruz supporters?

It's hilarious to "quarrel" with one group of frustrated voters, when there are frustrated voters everywhere!

 
Warrior said:
Straw man much? Can you point to one middle class white male who said/thought that they can't catch a break? Or is that just projecting your own inadequacies?
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Who are Donald Trump's Supporters, Really?

The article uses polling data to argue that Trump's supporters are predominantly white, more male then female, and harbor resentment and don't feel that they have a political voice. The article is just one of many to come to this conclusion.  Here's another.  And another. And another.

In other words- straw man my ###.  I'm not projecting anything. It's right there in black and white and numbers. Are you seriously arguing that Trump's support is NOT largely comprised of white people, more male than female, who feel their voices aren't heard and they can't get a break? If so you're literally the first person I've heard dispute that notion, other than Trump himself occasionally lying about how women and minorities love him.

 
shader said:
What about the Clinton supporters that think they can't catch a break?  Or the Sanders' supporters?  What about the Cruz supporters?

It's hilarious to "quarrel" with one group of frustrated voters, when there are frustrated voters everywhere!
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What makes you say I'm treating them differently? If they fit the description but wrongly claim that they just can't get a break these days, I'd say that they're whiners too. It just so happens that polls show that many Trump supporters fit that description.

 
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