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[Higgs]

I've got no problem with white males. In fact I am one (although admittedly not a Christian suburban white male). My quarrel is with Trump supporters who actually think they're the ones that don't have a voice and can't catch a break in this country. In other words, my quarrel is with crybabies. Oh, and xenophobes and anti-Muslim bigots.  Not a fan of those people either.

Nice to see you back, though! This thread was getting boring as Trump has fallen off.  I thought we'd have to wait until his win in New York before you and the Facebook crew returned.

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

One thing that would help Trump supporters make their point is if they had not picked Trump as their champion. "Make America Great" is admirable but they have chosen as the tip of the spear a man who just engages in constant victimization. Whine. B|tch. "Unfair." Complain. Constantly.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Donald J. Trump Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump


Missouri just confirmed a victory for Donald Trump. He actually gained votes in the recount and picks up an additional 12 delegates.

- Today's first tweet. - Notice anything different?

 

[urbanhack]

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process. 

classic!

 

[Higgs]

Hey Saint - good to see you again.  I was thinking about you yesterday when I saw the report of the Saudi government's ties to 9/11.  I remember distinctly when Trump raised the specter of this at one of the debates and you and others in here mocked him incessantly about that.  Care to retract? 

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/04/11/60-minutes-lawmakers-say-redacted-pages-of-911-report-shows-saudi-official-met-hijackers-in-la/ 

 

[Higgs]

Are you guys finally slinking back with your tails between your legs? Or did you go against the rest of the group and act independently?

The Mods in here gave me a one week suspension.  I made a harmless joke about "when Doctor Detroit and OPM used to be great" in here in the "When America was great" thread.  It cause OPM to fly off the handle and post some horrible #### about ####### my mother, which apparently earned me a timeout???  No explanation was given for the timeout, and my repeated requests for clarification from the Mods went unanswered.  Pretty clear what's going on here.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

I'm not demeaning and mocking middle class white males. Never have, never will. I'm demeaning and mocking Trump supporters and crybabies.  Please stop misrepresenting my position. Thanks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hey Saint - good to see you again.  I was thinking about you yesterday when I saw the report of the Saudi government's ties to 9/11.  I remember distinctly when Trump raised the specter of this at one of the debates and you and others in here mocking him incessantly about that.  Care to retract? 

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/04/11/60-minutes-lawmakers-say-redacted-pages-of-911-report-shows-saudi-official-met-hijackers-in-la/ 

Thanks, Higgs, welcome back. I think some of your troop is still missing though, maybe they come back after the forthcoming win in NY.

I saw this but haven't had time to digest it. I think the fact of this file has been known for some time but I'd like to know more. - Was this claim or fact addressed in the Commission report already?

I'm all for declassification here unless there is some source which is revealed.

eta:

Former U.S. Senator Bob Graham said he believes Bayoumi was a Saudi agent, telling CBS News’ Steve Kroft that Bayoumi had “been listed even before 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi agent.”

- This is usually why they classify things, sources.

According to the report, witnesses say both al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar met at the King Fahad mosque in Culver City with Fahad al-Thumairy, “a diplomat at the Saudi consulate known to hold extremist views.” He was denied reentry to the U.S. in 2003 for suspected terrorist ties.

Thumairy was a “a ghost employee with a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Angeles while drawing a paycheck from the Saudi government”, according to the report.

- When did they meet?

- It's going to be a ways to go to get to a Saud.

- I'd also beware of Trutherism here, but I'm all for releasing the documents if no one working for the US has his life or cover endangered.

 

[Higgs]

I'm not demeaning and mocking middle class white males. Never have, never will. I'm demeaning and mocking Trump supporters and crybabies.  Please stop misrepresenting my position. Thanks.

 Yeah, keep saying that long enough and maybe someone will believe it.  You constantly mock Middle class whites with  sarcastic comments about how persecuted they are, or how tough they have it.  It's your calling card.

 

[Higgs]

Thanks, Higgs, welcome back. I think some of your troop is still missing though, maybe they come back after the forthcoming win in NY.

Of course they are.  They've been suspended or driven out entirely.  Me, dfs and SIDA.  I've been following these boards since back in the cheatsheet days, and brought at least 2 dozen people into this place over the years as paying customers.  I know the lines in here regarding standards of behavior, and I'm pretty careful not to cross them.  There's no doubt in my mind that there is a complete double standard going on in here with regard to liberal versus conservative posters, particularly Trump supporters.  I've gotten suspended 4 times in the last 3 months and only one of those was deserved.  I was hoping it was our imagination but it's clearly not.  Shame, because what makes a good message board is diversity of thought - but that's just not what people want anymore.  Not crying or whining, just stating facts so you guys know what's going on and why everyone has disappeared.  We've already lost some great people which is really unfortunate.  SIDA was one of the best internet posters I've ever seen, and I've been in a lot of forums for a lot of years.

 

[Rubiobot]

 

 

[joffer]

you sure do whine about people whining about whiners a lot.

 

[TobiasFunke]

 Yeah, keep saying that long enough and maybe someone will believe it.  You constantly mock Middle class whites with  sarcastic comments about how persecuted they are, or how tough they have it.  It's your calling card.

No, I mock the ones who whine about being persecuted. The ones who are not whining would obviously not be included in that group. I'm always clear about this. I'm sorry you don't grasp the difference. As a white person I take offense to your racist argument that us white people are all the same 

 

[Rubiobot]

  

 

[shader]

And...........

ETA: Just in case it isn't clear, I don't think you're helping your case here.

I don't have a case.  I'm just saying if we are going to proclaim Trump and anyone who votes for him as supporters of bigotry, then we need to extend that to Cruz and his voters too, as well as voters of any other politician who we deem with our keyboards as being guilty of the worst sin of the 2010's decade.

 

[Higgs]

  

 What's up Rubiobot.  I think I missed you most of all.

 

[shader]

No, I mock the ones who whine about being persecuted. The ones who are not whining would obviously not be included in that group. I'm always clear about this. I'm sorry you don't grasp the difference. As a white person I take offense to your racist argument that us white people are all the same 

Maybe they are being persecuted and maybe they do have it really bad?  

 

[The General]

Of course they are.  They've been suspended or driven out entirely.  Me, dfs and SIDA.  I've been following these boards since back in the cheatsheet days, and brought at least 2 dozen people into this place over the years as paying customers.  I know the lines in here regarding standards of behavior, and I'm pretty careful not to cross them.  There's no doubt in my mind that there is a complete double standard going on in here with regard to liberal versus conservative posters, particularly Trump supporters.  I've gotten suspended 4 times in the last 3 months and only one of those was deserved.  I was hoping it was our imagination but it's clearly not.  Shame, because what makes a good message board is diversity of thought - but that's just not what people want anymore.  Not crying or whining, just stating facts so you guys know what's going on and why everyone has disappeared.  We've already lost some great people which is really unfortunate.  SIDA was one of the best internet posters I've ever seen, and I've been in a lot of forums for a lot of years.

 at DFS being a good poster. Obvious alias and really bad one.

Generally like the back and forth with you and SIDA. Not sure where he went. Also, not sure about the politics of getting banned and what went on with yours. It happens. 

Agreed the boards are a lot more entertaining when there are opposing views.

 

[Tom Servo]

How bad is Trump? Well, he took a demographic - married women - that Mitt Romney won by 7 points in 2012 and loses it by 12!

In hypothetical matchups, Cruz is even with HRC among married women 43-43, but Trump loses that same matchup 48-36.  IOW, he's not "unifying" anything; if anything, he's causing a solid GOP demographic to abandon the party for someone who is 12 points underwater in favorability (of course, Trump is at -43 percent).

 

[TobiasFunke]

Maybe they are being persecuted and maybe they do have it really bad?  

Absolutely. It is possible that they do have it comparatively bad compared to the American experiences of racial, religious and ethnic minorities. Anything's possible, and I don't think I know everything.  Of course, literally everything I've read and heard and observed about American culture and history makes me think that's really, really, really not the case at all. But I'm totally open to hearing arguments otherwise. Maybe it was just my liberal hippy-dippy education that wrongly led me to my conclusions.

 

[shader]

How bad is Trump? Well, he took a demographic - married women - that Mitt Romney won by 7 points in 2012 and loses it by 12!

In hypothetical matchups, Cruz is even with HRC among married women 43-43, but Trump loses that same matchup 48-36.  IOW, he's not "unifying" anything; if anything, he's causing a solid GOP demographic to abandon the party for someone who is 12 points underwater in favorability (of course, Trump is at -43 percent).

I blame both him and the negative media onslaught from the RNC.  Much of it is deserved, some of it is not.  It's obvious that the Republicans don't want him as their candidate and they'll do anything to keep that from happening.  Cruz can't open his mouth without slamming Trump 24/7.  

So yeah, he's not a viable candidate anymore.  He's now tarnished and has no chance at winning the general election.  But then neither does Cruz.

The Republicans are basically handing the election to Hilary.  

I think politics is funny.  There is this illusion that voting is important, but in reality I think everyone and their brother knew that Hilary was going to be the next president.  If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd almost think that the Republicans knew it too, and made sure there was no candidate strong enough to challenge her because it's mind-blowing how they've detonated their own party in the last half year. 

 

[Tom Servo]

I blame both him and the negative media onslaught from the RNC.  Much of it is deserved, some of it is not.  It's obvious that the Republicans don't want him as their candidate and they'll do anything to keep that from happening.  Cruz can't open his mouth without slamming Trump 24/7.  

So yeah, he's not a viable candidate anymore.  He's now tarnished and has no chance at winning the general election.  But then neither does Cruz.

    From who? Sean Hannity? Ann Coulter? Laura Ingraham? Drudge?? Exactly who in the RNC/conservative is doing this smearing, because I'm not seeing it.

 

[McGarnicle]

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

Oh horse####. The "middle class" (whatever that even means anymore) white males (and females) I know who have worked hard and sacrificed, and gotten an education, and figured out how to maintain and increase their value in the workforce have thrived. I also have some in-laws who do nothing but complain and take zero accountability for their lives, and huge surprise, they're voting for Trump. They're unemployed or under-employed and it's always someone else's fault.

Some of you guys claiming to be conservative need to revisit what I believe is conservatism's most fundamental core principle -- self reliance, and the idea that within all of us lies the potential for greatness. And the counterpoint to that ideal as presented by guys like Limbaugh was always the "handouts" promised by liberals to the lazy, which does nothing but create a miserable, self-loathing dependent class.

Trump is conservative like I'm a cactus plant. All he does is ##### and moan about the liberals and the media and the illegals and the Muslims; and all the poor desperate schlubs out there who are just looking for scapegoats eat it up. His message is every bit as destructive as what Limbaugh described of those liberals' promises of entitlements and how they crush peoples' spirits -- basically, you've been shafted, it's not your fault, and only I can help. It's the identical message aimed at a different constituency.

 

[Tom Servo]

Cruz is taking Trump's lunch money in Arkansas - with Rubio's help.
 

According to Arkansas GOP rules, Rubio's nine delegates are bound to vote for him on the first ballot in Cleveland, even though he suspended his White House bid and stopped actively campaigning nearly a month ago. Most high profile Arkansas Republicans endorsed Rubio heading into the state's Super Tuesday, "SEC" primary contest.

A list of big name delegate candidates, and which candidates they are pledging to support, reveals the institutional support for Cruz and Rubio in Arkansas (none are listed as potential delegates for Ohio Gov. John Kasich.) Some Republicans on this list, obtained by the Examiner, appear to be keeping their options open. Sens. John Boozman and Tom Cotton are running to join slates fielded by Cruz, Rubio and Trump; so is Rep. Bruce Westerman.

But the rest of the Arkansas' federal delegation, and the state's top two officials in Little Rock, are for Cruz, Rubio, or both. Rep. Rick Crawford is running as a Rubio delegate; Rep. French Hill to support Cruz or Rubio; and Rep. Steve Womack to back Rubio. Gov. Asa Hutchinson and Lt. Gov. Tim Griffin are running as Rubio delegates. High profile state and federal lawmakers are basically assured of winning delegate slots.

The sad part about this - for Trump - is that he puffs himself up as this guy who's the suave, hard-bargaining businessman who knows "The Art of the Deal". The fact of the matter is that this whole enterprise is exposing him as a giant fraud as he has absolute zero idea how politics works in this country. He has no ground game, no competent advisors and nothing except "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN".

 

[Higgs]

I blame both him and the negative media onslaught from the RNC.  Much of it is deserved, some of it is not.  It's obvious that the Republicans don't want him as their candidate and they'll do anything to keep that from happening.  Cruz can't open his mouth without slamming Trump 24/7.  

So yeah, he's not a viable candidate anymore.  He's now tarnished and has no chance at winning the general election.  But then neither does Cruz.

The Republicans are basically handing the election to Hilary.  

I think politics is funny.  There is this illusion that voting is important, but in reality I think everyone and their brother knew that Hilary was going to be the next president.  If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd almost think that the Republicans knew it too, and made sure there was no candidate strong enough to challenge her because it's mind-blowing how they've detonated their own party in the last half year. 

A little early to be writing him off just yet... He's currently polling at 60% in New York, and in another poll he's only trailing Hillary by 2 points.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/12/poll-donald-trump-leading-new-york-60-percent/

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-voters-split-between-clinton-trump-hypothetical-november-matchup-n554306

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd almost think that the Republicans knew it too, and made sure there was no candidate strong enough to challenge her because it's mind-blowing how they've detonated their own party in the last half year. 

Actually if we go full conspiracy then the first guess is that the Clintons themselves teed up their friend Trump as their own personal cruise missile aimed at the GOP's hull.

 

[Higgs]

Maybe they are being persecuted and maybe they do have it really bad?  

I seem to be seeing more incidents of hate crimes being directed at whites in the last two years than the other way around. And I read the news from all different viewpoints.  Here's an article from Tobias' back yard.  I'm sure it will be dismissed.  http://nypost.com/2016/04/12/students-beat-and-bullied-me-for-being-white/

 

[McGarnicle]

Cruz is taking Trump's lunch money in Arkansas - with Rubio's help.
 

The sad part about this - for Trump - is that he puffs himself up as this guy who's the suave, hard-bargaining businessman who knows "The Art of the Deal". The fact of the matter is that this whole enterprise is exposing him as a giant fraud as he has absolute zero idea how politics works in this country. He has no ground game, no competent advisors and nothing except "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN".

This stuff is becoming the most entertaining part of the Trump trainwreck. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

I seem to be seeing more incidents of hate crimes being directed at whites in the last two years than the other way around. And I read the news from all different viewpoints.  Here's an article from Tobias' back yard.  I'm sure it will be dismissed.  http://nypost.com/2016/04/12/students-beat-and-bullied-me-for-being-white/

It won't be dismissed, it fits a disturbing trend  Not as disturbing a trend as hate crimes against black people, of course, which constitute 66.5% of all racial hate crimes, more than three times the percentage in which whites are the victims despite the fact that there are obviously many more potential white victims than potential black victims. Or hate crimes against Jews or homosexuals or Hispanics, which also occur at many times the rate of crimes against whites from a proportional standpoint. But still, not OK at all.

The most disturbing thing here, though, is that you think I live in Long Island.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

No, I mock the ones who whine about being persecuted. The ones who are not whining would obviously not be included in that group. I'm always clear about this. I'm sorry you don't grasp the difference. As a white person I take offense to your racist argument that us white people are all the same 

You could be standing right in front of me and I would not believe this...

 

[Higgs]

    From who? Sean Hannity? Ann Coulter? Laura Ingraham? Drudge?? Exactly who in the RNC/conservative is doing this smearing, because I'm not seeing it.

Let's see...

Glen Beck

Mark Levin

Bill Krystol

Ben Shapiro

Michelle Fields

Megyn Kelley

Dana Loesch

Katie Pavlich

David Boaz

L. Brent Bozell III

Mona Charen

Ben Domenech

Erick Erickson

Steven F. Hayward

Mark Helprin

Yuval Levin

Andrew C. McCarthy

David M. McIntosh

Michael Medved

Edwin Meese III

Russell Moore

Michael B. Muskasey

John Podhoretz

R. R. Reno

Thomas Sowell

Cal Thomas

It's probably a lot easier to list the Conservative media who is either neutral or for Donald Trump, and I believe your list above pretty much sums it up.

 

[JuniorNB]

The Mods in here gave me a one week suspension.  I made a harmless joke about "when Doctor Detroit and OPM used to be great" in here in the "When America was great" thread.  It cause OPM to fly off the handle and post some horrible #### about ####### my mother, which apparently earned me a timeout???  No explanation was given for the timeout, and my repeated requests for clarification from the Mods went unanswered.  Pretty clear what's going on here.

lol  Of course it's clear. The same conspiracy theory that Sida! always cried about. I got news for you, I had a suspension too a couple weeks ago. And I knew why. And I realized it, and accepted it. It wasn't because I'm a white (or orange) male. It wasn't because I'm mostly liberal. I was attacking personally, and not addressing the thread subject. That'll get you every time. I hope you learn from it.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I seem to be seeing more incidents of hate crimes being directed at whites in the last two years than the other way around. And I read the news from all different viewpoints.  Here's an article from Tobias' back yard.  I'm sure it will be dismissed.  http://nypost.com/2016/04/12/students-beat-and-bullied-me-for-being-white/

To clear, you're talking about hate crimes directed at white people in the last two years, yet the article you've posted relates to hate crimes alleged in 2010.  The claimant is now 23 and first filed suit in 2010.

 

[Higgs]

Oh horse####. The "middle class" (whatever that even means anymore) white males (and females) I know who have worked hard and sacrificed, and gotten an education, and figured out how to maintain and increase their value in the workforce have thrived. I also have some in-laws who do nothing but complain and take zero accountability for their lives, and huge surprise, they're voting for Trump. They're unemployed or under-employed and it's always someone else's fault.

Some of you guys claiming to be conservative need to revisit what I believe is conservatism's most fundamental core principle -- self reliance, and the idea that within all of us lies the potential for greatness. And the counterpoint to that ideal as presented by guys like Limbaugh was always the "handouts" promised by liberals to the lazy, which does nothing but create a miserable, self-loathing dependent class.

Trump is conservative like I'm a cactus plant. All he does is ##### and moan about the liberals and the media and the illegals and the Muslims; and all the poor desperate schlubs out there who are just looking for scapegoats eat it up. His message is every bit as destructive as what Limbaugh described of those liberals' promises of entitlements and how they crush peoples' spirits -- basically, you've been shafted, it's not your fault, and only I can help. It's the identical message aimed at a different constituency.

 So because you've got a couple in-laws who take zero accountability and are voting for Trump, that somehow transcends to a universal truth?  Amazing.  What does brother-in-law Joey think about ISIS?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Oh horse####. The "middle class" (whatever that even means anymore) white males (and females) I know who have worked hard and sacrificed, and gotten an education, and figured out how to maintain and increase their value in the workforce have thrived. I also have some in-laws who do nothing but complain and take zero accountability for their lives, and huge surprise, they're voting for Trump. They're unemployed or under-employed and it's always someone else's fault.

Some of you guys claiming to be conservative need to revisit what I believe is conservatism's most fundamental core principle -- self reliance, and the idea that within all of us lies the potential for greatness. And the counterpoint to that ideal as presented by guys like Limbaugh was always the "handouts" promised by liberals to the lazy, which does nothing but create a miserable, self-loathing dependent class.

Trump is conservative like I'm a cactus plant. All he does is ##### and moan about the liberals and the media and the illegals and the Muslims; and all the poor desperate schlubs out there who are just looking for scapegoats eat it up. His message is every bit as destructive as what Limbaugh described of those liberals' promises of entitlements and how they crush peoples' spirits -- basically, you've been shafted, it's not your fault, and only I can help. It's the identical message aimed at a different constituency.

There may be a few others in play for Trump, but this appears to be his core demographic. 

 

[Amused to Death]

I am the very definition of white, middle class America.  These last 7 years have been the most prosperous of my lifetime.  Career-wise, family-wise...so much better than the last couple under W.  I live with a chronic illness that will no longer leave me without health insurance (a concern I had prior to Obamacare) should I lose my job.

I'd love to hear how I'm being persecuted and why I should feel disenfranchised.  What rights have white, middle class Americans lost?

Seems to me, the biggest complaint people have is that others are gaining rights and freedoms.  When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's probably a lot easier to list the Conservative media who is either neutral or for Donald Trump, and I believe your list above pretty much sums it up.

Smearing means saying things that are not true.  What have those people said about Trump that is not true?

 

[Higgs]

It won't be dismissed, it fits a disturbing trend  Not as disturbing a trend as hate crimes against black people, of course, which constitute 66.5% of all racial hate crimes, more than three times the percentage in which whites are the victims despite the fact that there are obviously many more potential white victims than potential black victims. Or hate crimes against Jews or homosexuals or Hispanics, which also occur at many times the rate of crimes against whites from a proportional standpoint. But still, not OK at all.

The most disturbing thing here, though, is that you think I live in Long Island.

Hogwash.  These numbers are inherently skewed.  Most people don't even know that a hate crime can actually be black on white.  It's a politically charged designation, and much more likely to be registered when it's white on black versus black on white.

Here's the 2016 Color of Crime Report findings.  You tell me who the victims are.

• The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
  
• There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
  
• In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
  
• In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
  
• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.
  
• If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.
  
• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
  
• In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.
  
• In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.
  
• Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.
  

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Let's see...

Glen Beck

Mark Levin

Bill Krystol

Ben Shapiro

Michelle Fields

Megyn Kelley

Dana Loesch

Katie Pavlich

David Boaz

L. Brent Bozell III

Mona Charen

Ben Domenech

Erick Erickson

Steven F. Hayward

Mark Helprin

Yuval Levin

Andrew C. McCarthy

David M. McIntosh

Michael Medved

Edwin Meese III

Russell Moore

Michael B. Muskasey

John Podhoretz

R. R. Reno

Thomas Sowell

Cal Thomas

It's probably a lot easier to list the Conservative media who is either neutral or for Donald Trump, and I believe your list above pretty much sums it up.

Hold on, hold on, the bolded can be said to have major platforms, and I could maybe throw in Sowell and Cal T. in there because they are maybe well read but their readership is nowhere near the tv and radio personalities. Levin waffled for a long time until just this past week when it became apparent Trump might not be the nominee. Megyn Kelly IMO has been fair, she just doesn't kowtow to Donald but I will leave her in that bolded group even though she is a journalist which none of these other names are. Hell Fields was giving Donald positive coverage at BB before his goon yanked her.

Hannity - on tv and radio

Limbaugh

Savage

Van Sustern

Tantaros

Pirro

Dobbs

Bolling

Watters

O'Reilly (yes)

Doucy

Breitbart

Drudge

-> Not to mention the free coverage of whole press conferences and the veterans event and townhall on CNN and MSNBC, and all the call-ins even on shows like Today. Melania did an hour long profile with Cooper on CNN. Donald had six straight weeks of appearances on the Sunday morning news shows.

 

[JuniorNB]

I am the very definition of white, middle class America.  These last 7 years have been the most prosperous of my lifetime.  Career-wise, family-wise...so much better than the last couple under W.  I live with a chronic illness that will no longer leave me without health insurance (a concern I had prior to Obamacare) should I lose my job.

I'd love to hear how I'm being persecuted and why I should feel disenfranchised.  What rights have white, middle class Americans lost?

Seems to me, the biggest complaint people have is that others are gaining rights and freedoms.  When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

People who oppose the healthcare act do not want to foot the bill for you to deal with your chronic illness if you lose your job. That automatically classifies you as lazy and in search of hand outs. It's everyone for themselves in some people's minds. The haves don't care about the have-nots. Everything is black and white to those people. If you need any assistance whatsoever, you are one of those entitlement losers. Don't ask me how any human being could ever have that mindset, but that's the way it is.

 

[JuniorNB]

Countdown till Higgs posts a link from dfsguy's white supremacist website.   10......9........8......

 

[Amused to Death]

People who oppose the healthcare act do not want to foot the bill for you to deal with your chronic illness if you lose your job. That automatically classifies you as lazy and in search of hand outs. It's everyone for themselves in some people's minds. The haves don't care about the have-nots. Everything is black and white to those people. If you need any assistance whatsoever, you are one of those entitlement losers. Don't ask me how any human being could ever have that mindset, but that's the way it is.

So true.  They'd rather foot the bill for corporate oil interests and wars in places they can't find on a map.  Keep handing out corporate subsidies!

 

[HellToupee]

I go away for awhile and to no surprise the same pissclams  are starting the same #### in here. Incredible , it really is

 

[TobiasFunke]

Hogwash.  These numbers are inherently skewed.  Most people don't even know that a hate crime can actually be black on white.  It's a politically charged designation, and much more likely to be registered when it's white on black versus black on white.

Here's the 2016 Color of Crime Report findings.  You tell me who the victims are.

Like I always say- why rely on FBI statistics when you have The Color of Crime report?  After all, the report is a product of the New Century Foundation, a self-described "white separatist" movement. Let's enjoy the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia entry on the New Century Foundation, shall we?

The New Century Foundation is an organization founded in 1994 known primarily for publishing American Renaissance. From 1994 to 1999 its activities received considerable funding by the Pioneer Fund,[1][2][3] and has been described as a white supremacist group,[4] which its founder, Jared Taylor, denies, calling it white separatist.

Taylor advocates segregation as a natural expression of racial solidarity while denying that his views constitute white supremacism. Viewing societal problems as racial in nature, Taylor upholds white racial homogeneity as the key to peaceful coexistence with other races. He sees Japan as an exemplar of a racially homogenous society, and views Asians generally as genetically superior in intelligence to whites. He also view whites as genetically superior in intelligence to blacks.[5][6]

You're really doing a bang-up job here. Top notch.

 

[JuniorNB]

I go away for awhile and to no surprise the same pissclams  are starting the same #### in here. Incredible , it really is

Post #1 after you're back and you're attacking those with a different viewpoint. I give you about two days.

 

[sho nuff]

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

The Mods in here gave me a one week suspension.  I made a harmless joke about "when Doctor Detroit and OPM used to be great" in here in the "When America was great" thread.  It cause OPM to fly off the handle and post some horrible #### about ####### my mother, which apparently earned me a timeout???  No explanation was given for the timeout, and my repeated requests for clarification from the Mods went unanswered.  Pretty clear what's going on here.

That you can't go a few posts without complaining about the mods or namecalling those who disagree with you?

 

[JuniorNB]

Like I always say- why rely on FBI statistics when you have The Color of Crime report?  After all, their data is compiled and analyzed by the New Century Foundation, a self-described "white separatist" movement. Let's enjoy the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia entry on the New Century Foundation, shall we?

You're really doing a bang-up job here. Top notch.

White separatist group. lol   And what was the dfsguy's site?  I forget, but it was yet another way to dance around the white supremacist phrase.  Higgs and dfsguy loves those sites. It explains their love affair with Trump and pretty much everything you need to know about their mindsets.

 

[shader]

A little early to be writing him off just yet... He's currently polling at 60% in New York, and in another poll he's only trailing Hillary by 2 points.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/12/poll-donald-trump-leading-new-york-60-percent/

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-voters-split-between-clinton-trump-hypothetical-november-matchup-n554306

He was always going to win New York, imo.  But my point is that even if he does win the nomination, the damage is done, imo.  He can't beat Hilary anymore.  Just my opinion, however.

 

[squistion]

Of course they are.  They've been suspended or driven out entirely.  Me, dfs and SIDA.  I've been following these boards since back in the cheatsheet days, and brought at least 2 dozen people into this place over the years as paying customers.  I know the lines in here regarding standards of behavior, and I'm pretty careful not to cross them.  There's no doubt in my mind that there is a complete double standard going on in here with regard to liberal versus conservative posters, particularly Trump supporters.  I've gotten suspended 4 times in the last 3 months and only one of those was deserved.  I was hoping it was our imagination but it's clearly not.  Shame, because what makes a good message board is diversity of thought - but that's just not what people want anymore.  Not crying or whining, just stating facts so you guys know what's going on and why everyone has disappeared.  We've already lost some great people which is really unfortunate.  SIDA was one of the best internet posters I've ever seen, and I've been in a lot of forums for a lot of years.

Now you finally admit it. When you first started posting under this handle, you claimed you were completely new to this forum. Supposedly you had heard about it and just finally decided to check it out. As everyone suspected, you have been here for years and not just lurking but probably actively posting under some account (although there are differing opinions as to the identity).

And your talk about diversity of thought is rather amusing since you were at the forefront (along with SIDA) of having the other thread being a safe zone with a wall to keep out those who were not Trump supporters.

 

[Higgs]

I am the very definition of white, middle class America.  These last 7 years have been the most prosperous of my lifetime.  Career-wise, family-wise...so much better than the last couple under W.  I live with a chronic illness that will no longer leave me without health insurance (a concern I had prior to Obamacare) should I lose my job.

I'd love to hear how I'm being persecuted and why I should feel disenfranchised.  What rights have white, middle class Americans lost?

Seems to me, the biggest complaint people have is that others are gaining rights and freedoms.  When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

Not sure I said anywhere that the white middle class has been "persecuted".  Pretty sure I said things like marginalized, ignored, disenfranchised...  And I stand by that 100%.

Glad to hear your financial lot in life has improved.  That tends to happen in middle age.  But for most of the middle class wages have stagnated the last 8 years.