"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

[Higgs]

Countdown till Higgs posts a link from dfsguy's white supremacist website.   10......9........8......

Countdown till Junior gets frustrated at losing another argument and plays the racism card.  

 

[JuniorNB]

Now you finally admit it. When you first started posting under this handle, you claimed you were completely new to this forum. Supposedly you had heard about it and just finally decided to check it out. As everyone suspected, you have been here for years and not just lurking but probably actively posting under some account (although there are differing opinions as to the identity).

And your talk about diversity of thought is rather amusing since you were at the forefront (along with SIDA) of having the other thread being a safe zone with a wall to keep out those who were not Trump supporters.

I also highly doubt he's brought one paying customer. That's just trying to bribe the mods and threaten that he'll take them all away if they don't let him continue with his white supremacist noinsense and attacking other members.

 

[shader]

I seem to be seeing more incidents of hate crimes being directed at whites in the last two years than the other way around. And I read the news from all different viewpoints.  Here's an article from Tobias' back yard.  I'm sure it will be dismissed.  http://nypost.com/2016/04/12/students-beat-and-bullied-me-for-being-white/

I'm not even talking about actual persecutions because of their race.  Let's be realistic here, how often does that happen?  I've been raised in the South and I can't recall ever having witnessed an out-and-out hate crime against a person due to their race.  Has it happened?  Sure, but this isn't a major issue currently in this country.  As a whole, white people aren't getting victimized and beaten up for being white, and black people aren't getting victimized and beaten up for being black.

But there are people that aren't doing so well financially, people that are black, white, middle eastern and latino.  In many areas, people have it very difficult and times are tough, regardless of color.  The "anger" that many Trump voters supposedly feel, isn't anger at the world because they are white and persecuted, but the anger is real and their hardships are real.  I think it's silly to minimize that and/or act as if it doesn't exist and that they've been born into some privileged existence, just by happening to be a white male.

 

[JuniorNB]

Countdown till Junior gets frustrated at losing another argument and plays the racism card.  

I don't have to play that card with you. You present it all by yourself. Shocked there isn't a white hood in your avatar.

 

[Amused to Death]

Not sure I said anywhere that the white middle class has been "persecuted".  Pretty sure I said things like marginalized, ignored, disenfranchised...  And I stand by that 100%.

Glad to hear your financial lot in life has improved.  That tends to happen in middle age.  But for most of the middle class wages have stagnated the last 8 years.

OK, then tell me why I should feel disenfranchised or ignored. Or you.  Why do you feel marginalized/ignored/disenfranchised?  Have you lost any freedoms or opportunities?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Countdown till Junior gets frustrated at losing another argument and plays the racism card.  

Playing the racism card?  You literally just quoted with approval the report of a white supremacist* group. You said they were more reliable than the FBI when it comes to compiling and analyzing crime statistics. What would you like him to do instead, put on the "pretend you didn't just cite to racists" blindfold?

*Sorry, white separatist group.  My mistake.

 

[shader]

I am the very definition of white, middle class America.  These last 7 years have been the most prosperous of my lifetime.  Career-wise, family-wise...so much better than the last couple under W.  I live with a chronic illness that will no longer leave me without health insurance (a concern I had prior to Obamacare) should I lose my job.

I'd love to hear how I'm being persecuted and why I should feel disenfranchised.  What rights have white, middle class Americans lost?

Seems to me, the biggest complaint people have is that others are gaining rights and freedoms.  When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

It sounds like you're doing great.  That's awesome for you.  I am in the same boat as you.  My income in the last 7 years (as a direct result of many of the programs that Obama put into play) has never been better.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you are being persecuted?  

But you can't lump all white middle class Americans into our boat.  There are many areas that aren't prosperous.  While jobs, the cost of living, and housing have exploded in the area I currently live in, jobs and housing costs have gone down in the area I went to high school in.  Everyone isn't doing great.  Many are struggling.  And those that are struggling have real struggles.

Now if they are using their skin color as a reason for being "persecuted", then yeah that's ridiculous. 

But are there people actually doing that?  I don't think a large percentage are.  They are more frustrated with their lives and the economy in general.  It's not the plight of the white man, it's the plight of the middle class, from their perspective.  

 

[Higgs]

Hold on, hold on, the bolded can be said to have major platforms, and I could maybe throw in Sowell and Cal T. in there because they are maybe well read but their readership is nowhere near the tv and radio personalities. Levin waffled for a long time until just this past week when it became apparent Trump might not be the nominee. Megyn Kelly IMO has been fair, she just doesn't kowtow to Donald but I will leave her in that bolded group even though she is a journalist which none of these other names are. Hell Fields was giving Donald positive coverage at BB before his goon yanked her.

Hannity - on tv and radio

Limbaugh

Savage

Van Sustern

Tantaros

Pirro

Dobbs

Bolling

Watters

O'Reilly (yes)

Doucy

Breitbart

Drudge

-> Not to mention the free coverage of whole press conferences and the veterans event and townhall on CNN and MSNBC, and all the call-ins even on shows like Today. Melania did an hour long profile with Cooper on CNN. Donald had six straight weeks of appearances on the Sunday morning news shows.

Way off here imo.  Levin has been rabidly anti-Trump for a long time.  I listen to him on the satellite radio quite a bit on my way home.  The guy hates Trump with the heat of a million suns.

Miss Megyn has the appearance of being fair and balanced, but it is her choice of content every night that clearly shows her bias.  Her whole show has become one giant anti-Trump hour.  She's softened it a little as of late, but only because the whole Trump storyline has waned a bit.

I agree with you on your list of pro-Trump Conservatives.  Nicely done. 

 

[Amused to Death]

It sounds like you're doing great.  That's awesome for you.  I am in the same boat as you.  My income in the last 7 years (as a direct result of many of the programs that Obama put into play) has never been better.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you are being persecuted?  

But you can't lump all white middle class Americans into our boat.  There are many areas that aren't prosperous.  While jobs, the cost of living, and housing have exploded in the area I currently live in, jobs and housing costs have gone down in the area I went to high school in.  Everyone isn't doing great.  Many are struggling.  And those that are struggling have real struggles.

Now if they are using their skin color as a reason for being "persecuted", then yeah that's ridiculous. 

But are there people actually doing that?  I don't think a large percentage are.  They are more frustrated with their lives and the economy in general.  It's not the plight of the white man, it's the plight of the middle class, from their perspective.  

My question was directed at Trump supporters - the one's that are all pissed off at something.  Yeah, jobs/wages are lagging but that's a global issue and certainly better than 7 years ago.

I'm trying to understand - specifically - what Trump supporters are rallying for.

 

[shader]

BTW, the anger that the middle-class republicans feel is shared by many democrats, especially younger ones, and they are thumbing their nose at Hilary and surging to vote for Sanders.  Not because they are white, but because of a general negativity about the economy and their future.

 

[CBusAlex]

Now if they are using their skin color as a reason for being "persecuted", then yeah that's ridiculous. But are there people actually doing that? 

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

 

[shader]

My question was directed at Trump supporters - the one's that are all pissed off at something.  Yeah, jobs/wages are lagging but that's a global issue and certainly better than 7 years ago.

I'm trying to understand - specifically - what Trump supporters are rallying for.

They are mad because the economy isn't great for them and for most people where they live.  

Why are they choosing Trump?  That's a good question.  I think there are four major reasons:

1. He talks about bringing corporations and jobs back to America.  How is he going to do it?  I have no idea but the idea of "making Iphones here instead of China" appeals to people, especially those that are lamenting the fact that factories have been fleeing for a long time.

2. He has been successful in running his companies, and many Republicans love to bring up the national debt and respond to a candidate that they think can fix things.

3. He doesn't talk like a politician, and we live in an age where distrust of politicans seems to be increasing.

4. He wants to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, which many people see as a negative drain on the economy as a whole (whether that's true or not)

I think it's silly to minimize their anger.  It's probably also silly of them to think Trump will actually fix these issues.  But I don't blame them for getting taken in by Trump, he's a smooth talker, and it's not as if the Republicans have put a viable alternative up.  His biggest competition is a creep.

 

[Higgs]

Playing the racism card?  You literally just quoted with approval the report of a white supremacist* group. You said they were more reliable than the FBI when it comes to compiling and analyzing crime statistics. What would you like him to do instead, put on the "pretend you didn't just cite to racists" blindfold?

*Sorry, white separatist group.  My mistake.

Oh, here we go... The Left doesn't like the message so they attack the messenger.  Are you denying any of the facts in the report?  Are you saying there is a higher percentage of white on black crime than the other way around?  Please tell me yes so I can destroy you with about a million other sources of information and data.

No, you won't.  Because you know it's true.  It's the inconvenient truth for you isn't it?  You want so badly to portray the evils of racism as a white only phenomenon, but the crime statistics just don't bear that out, do they?

Here's something a little more mainstream for you (though it wouldn't surprise me one bit if you consider Breitbart to be racist).  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

We can do this all day long if you want.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

It sounds like you're doing great.  That's awesome for you.  I am in the same boat as you.  My income in the last 7 years (as a direct result of many of the programs that Obama put into play) has never been better.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you are being persecuted?  

But you can't lump all white middle class Americans into our boat.  There are many areas that aren't prosperous.  While jobs, the cost of living, and housing have exploded in the area I currently live in, jobs and housing costs have gone down in the area I went to high school in.  Everyone isn't doing great.  Many are struggling.  And those that are struggling have real struggles.

Now if they are using their skin color as a reason for being "persecuted", then yeah that's ridiculous. 

But are there people actually doing that?  I don't think a large percentage are.  They are more frustrated with their lives and the economy in general.  It's not the plight of the white man, it's the plight of the middle class, from their perspective.  

From a CNN report Why I'm Voting for Trump:


 

The silent majority: 'No one's looking out for the white guy anymore'

Energizing the Trump movement are voters who call themselves the "silent majority." These individuals feel strongly that white people, too, face discrimination in this country, and that they are often wrongly accused of being racist. This is stirring anger at the Black Lives Movement.

 


Angry protesters spilled onto the streets of Baltimore, Ferguson and Chicago, determined to have their voices heard. More than five decades after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and well into Obama's second term, racial discrimination against African-Americans may have become less overt but is still very much a reality, the activists pleaded.
At Trump's campaign rallies, a similar frustration is palpable -- among white voters.
Taking their cue from Trump, these individuals are calling themselves the "silent majority." Some say they suffer from "reverse discrimination."
Rhett Benhoff, a middle-aged white man at a December Trump campaign event in Raleigh, North Carolina, said discrimination against whites is "absolutely" real.
"I mean, it seems like we really go overboard to make sure all these other nationalities nowadays and colors have their fair shake of it, but no one's looking out for the white guy anymore," he said.
Among Trump supporters, suspicion and anger toward the Black Lives Matter movement run deep. These people say the group's name and slogan seem to convey that black lives are more important than white lives.
"I think it's bulls---," said Ziegler, the 61-year-old diehard Trump fan who attended his Columbus, Ohio, rally. "All lives matter. You know this is bulls---- about black lives matter -- doesn't all lives matter?"
It's the last word in Trump's now-ubiquitous campaign slogan -- "Make America Great Again" -- that seems to have touched a nerve. Recent polls show that white people increasingly feel that the American Dream is out of reach, and a sizable group of white Americans feel they are subjected to racial discrimination -- a perception of the white experience shared by few minorities.
Almost half of whites -- 47% -- said in a November CNN/Kaiser Family Foundation survey that there is discrimination against whites, far more than the share of blacks and Hispanics who said the same.
And just over half of whites said they did not support the Black Lives Matter movement. Whereas 86% of blacks said the justice system was tilted toward white people, only 48% of whites said the same.
At the Trump rally in Myrtle Beach, where signs that read "silent majority" dotted the crowd, Patricia Saunders told CNN that Trump is speaking directly to a segment of the population that feels left behind and marginalized.
"White Americans founded this country," said Saunders, 64. "We are being pushed aside because of the President's administration and the media."

You can certainly argue about how much of a role this plays in the Trump movement, but there's no denying that it's part of it.  I could find you ten other articles with similar quotes and findings and analysis if you want.  Here's one:
 

For many of Trump’s white working class supporters, the feeling of betrayal by elites is accompanied by a feeling that while they’ve been knocked down, groups of “others” have been systematically lifted up—at their own expense.

In the PRRI survey, Trump supporters laid out concerns about discrimination against whites – and against white men in particular. Nearly three-quarters of Trump supporters say that discrimination against whites has become as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities.

Those concerns about discrimination are accompanied with a feeling that immigration into the U.S. has come at their expense. In the PRRI poll, nearly 70 percent of Trump’s backers say that immigration is a critical issue to them personally. (Only half of those supporting other candidates feel that way.) Trump’s backers are also much more likely to classify immigrants as an economic burden on the U.S. “because they take American jobs” and say they are bothered when they come into contact with immigrants who speak little or no English.

Note that this last bit doesn't say "illegal immigration," just "immigration" generally.

 

[shader]

lol you got me on that one!  I hadn't gone back and read all Higgs' posts.  I'm not in agreement with him on that issue, but if that's how he feels, I'll back out and let him argue with you.

 

[Higgs]

My question was directed at Trump supporters - the one's that are all pissed off at something.  Yeah, jobs/wages are lagging but that's a global issue and certainly better than 7 years ago.

I'm trying to understand - specifically - what Trump supporters are rallying for.

Simple - put America first.  On immigration, trade policies, foreign affairs...  And knock off the divisive identity politics and race baiting.  We basically have an even playing field now, so let's treat everyone as Americans and move forward together.

 

[The General]

Oh horse####. The "middle class" (whatever that even means anymore) white males (and females) I know who have worked hard and sacrificed, and gotten an education, and figured out how to maintain and increase their value in the workforce have thrived. I also have some in-laws who do nothing but complain and take zero accountability for their lives, and huge surprise, they're voting for Trump. They're unemployed or under-employed and it's always someone else's fault.

Some of you guys claiming to be conservative need to revisit what I believe is conservatism's most fundamental core principle -- self reliance, and the idea that within all of us lies the potential for greatness. And the counterpoint to that ideal as presented by guys like Limbaugh was always the "handouts" promised by liberals to the lazy, which does nothing but create a miserable, self-loathing dependent class.

Trump is conservative like I'm a cactus plant. All he does is ##### and moan about the liberals and the media and the illegals and the Muslims; and all the poor desperate schlubs out there who are just looking for scapegoats eat it up. His message is every bit as destructive as what Limbaugh described of those liberals' promises of entitlements and how they crush peoples' spirits -- basically, you've been shafted, it's not your fault, and only I can help. It's the identical message aimed at a different constituency.

Whoa. Pretty well said.

 

[shader]

From a CNN report Why I'm Voting for Trump:


 


You can certainly argue about how much of a role this plays in the Trump movement, but there's no denying that it's part of it.  I could find you ten other articles with similar quotes and findings and analysis if you want.  Here's one:
 

Note that this last bit doesn't say "illegal immigration," just "immigration" generally.

I could be wrong on this issue, Tobias.  I can only go by what I've experienced.  I take little stock in a CNN article on what one person says, but perhaps I shouldn't be espousing my opinion on this matter.  If it's true that many people are mad about the plight of the white male, than I'm wasting my time, because that's laughable.

I've not heard anyone in real life talk about the plight of the white middle-class, but perhaps that's just not something that anyone expresses in public.  My group of friends and I aren't political at all, so I may not have my finger on the pulse of the disenfranchised white man.

I would say I don't think the fear of immigrants taking Americans' jobs is a racial issue, btw. 

 

[Ditka Butkus]

My question was directed at Trump supporters - the one's that are all pissed off at something.  Yeah, jobs/wages are lagging but that's a global issue and certainly better than 7 years ago.

I'm trying to understand - specifically - what Trump supporters are rallying for.

Not a complete Trump supporter but I'll take a crack at it...If you are gay and want to marry another gay person..no problem we will change the law...If you are a dude and want to wear a dress, no problem you can use the ladies room at the discomfort of the majority....If you are black protestor and want to burn down neighborhoods and loot and oppose police officers no problem we understand.....If you are a white guy and disagree with any of this, you are a racist piece of s**t mouth breather whose parents should be killed for bringing you in this world.

 

[Rubiobot]

Like I said - tired, old, unintelligent, even filled with a little bit of hatred and disrespect (though couched in Liberal elitism so it could never be interpreted as intolerant).

You and the other Liberal mouth breathers in here consistently miss the mark in acknowledging what is one of the driving forces behind Trump's rise - the disenfranchisement of Middle Class white males from the political process.  The Dems are all about minorities and women's issues, the Repubs are a mish-mash of religious wackos, racists, and big business.  Middle class white males have become persona non-grata in the country the last 20 years - so much so that it's become fashionable for even Middle Class white males like you to demean and mock them on any occasion you can find. It's pretty revolting.

 

This is one of the craziest things I have seen posted in here. 

 

[MattFancy]

Middle-class white male in his 30s checking in here. Don't feel as if I'm being left out of the political process. Carry on.

 

[Higgs]

They are mad because the economy isn't great for them and for most people where they live.  

Why are they choosing Trump?  That's a good question.  I think there are four major reasons:

1. He talks about bringing corporations and jobs back to America.  How is he going to do it?  I have no idea but the idea of "making Iphones here instead of China" appeals to people, especially those that are lamenting the fact that factories have been fleeing for a long time.

2. He has been successful in running his companies, and many Republicans love to bring up the national debt and respond to a candidate that they think can fix things.

3. He doesn't talk like a politician, and we live in an age where distrust of politicans seems to be increasing.

4. He wants to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, which many people see as a negative drain on the economy as a whole (whether that's true or not)

I think it's silly to minimize their anger.  It's probably also silly of them to think Trump will actually fix these issues.  But I don't blame them for getting taken in by Trump, he's a smooth talker, and it's not as if the Republicans have put a viable alternative up.  His biggest competition is a creep.

Good post.  For the record, a lot of Trump supporters support the message but have questions about the man.  I can only speak for myself but I really don't give a hoot if he screws it up, because in my mind the country is pretty much ####ed anyway.

I'm being bluntly honest today.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Oh, here we go... The Left doesn't like the message so they attack the messenger.  Are you denying any of the facts in the report?  Are you saying there is a higher percentage of white on black crime than the other way around?  Please tell me yes so I can destroy you with about a million other sources of information and data.

No, you won't.  Because you know it's true.  It's the inconvenient truth for you isn't it?  You want so badly to portray the evils of racism as a white only phenomenon, but the crime statistics just don't bear that out, do they?

Here's something a little more mainstream for you (though it wouldn't surprise me one bit if you consider Breitbart to be racist).  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

We can do this all day long if you want.  

No, we can't.  And not only because your arguments here illogical and awful. White on black or black on white crime does not equal hate crime, genius; hate crimes are about the motivation of the offender, not just the race of the parties.  Not one of the statistics you cited has anything to do with hate crimes. The phrase "hate crime" doesn't even appear in your post that was supposedly invalidating the FBI statistics about hate crime. It's so impossibly stupid and illogical that I don't even know where to begin.

But the rambling nonsense found in your arguments is only the second-worst thing about your posts today.  The worst thing, again, is that you are approvingly citing to a white separatist. 

I mean holy ####, look at this thing that you posted on this message board today as if there's nothing wrong about it at all:

In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

Do you even understand what's being said there? I kind of hope not, because it's saying that non-white people are predisposed to commit murders, rapes and robberies. That if you removed all the black and Latinos crime rates would drop by huge amounts, because white people just don't commit crimes no matter what their relative socioeconomic position.  It's wildly, horribly, blatantly racist.  You presented it as an indisputable fact.  That's ####ing embarrassing. And the rest of it is scarcely better- presenting crime statistics independent of socioeconomic factors.

Seriously, GTFOOH with this garbage.

 

[Amused to Death]

Not a complete Trump supporter but I'll take a crack at it...If you are gay and want to marry another gay person..no problem we will change the law...If you are a dude and want to wear a dress, no problem you can use the ladies room at the discomfort of the majority....If you are black protestor and want to burn down neighborhoods and loot and oppose police officers no problem we understand.....If you are a white guy and disagree with any of this, you are a racist piece of s**t mouth breather whose parents should be killed for bringing you in this world.

Why is it a problem for some if 2 women want to have the same benefits and rights as straight couples who marry? I don't get that opposition at all.  YOUR marriage has not changed in the slightest.  Let others enjoy the same freedoms and benefits as the straight people.  And keep the religion out of it - you can certainly still pray to your god as you always have, preferably in the comfort of your own home or church.  Signing a marriage license does not prevent that.

Assuming you're a straight male, you have no idea what its like to be transgender so why force you're opinions on people who have a completely different set of life experiences?  And I think most would have no problem with the "bathroom bills" if that's all they included.  Turns out the homophobic politicians just used that issue as a trojan horse to get their real issues approved - take away all protections.

Protests go too far, I agree.  But let's not pretend there's no basis for suspicion. Let's not stick our head in the sand and pretend institutionalized racism doesn't exist.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I could be wrong on this issue, Tobias.  I can only go by what I've experienced.  I take little stock in a CNN article on what one person says, but perhaps I shouldn't be espousing my opinion on this matter.  If it's true that many people are mad about the plight of the white male, than I'm wasting my time, because that's laughable.

I've not heard anyone in real life talk about the plight of the white middle-class, but perhaps that's just not something that anyone expresses in public.  My group of friends and I aren't political at all, so I may not have my finger on the pulse of the disenfranchised white man.

I would say I don't think the fear of immigrants taking Americans' jobs is a racial issue, btw. 

The article quotes a lot of people.  And there's polling data in there as well.

 

[urbanhack]

Not sure I said anywhere that the white middle class has been "persecuted".  Pretty sure I said things like marginalized, ignored, disenfranchised...  And I stand by that 100%.

Glad to hear your financial lot in life has improved.  That tends to happen in middle age.  But for most of the middle class wages have stagnated the last 8 years.

how have the black and latino middle classes done in relation to the whites?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Like I always say- why rely on FBI statistics when you have The Color of Crime report?  After all, the report is a product of the New Century Foundation, a self-described "white separatist" movement. Let's enjoy the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia entry on the New Century Foundation, shall we?

...

Yep, agree. I hate this soft-pedal sh|t.

eta - More here (pages 27-28). - David Duke wrote this playbook, btw.

 

[Captain Cranks]

lol  Of course it's clear. The same conspiracy theory that Sida! always cried about. I got news for you, I had a suspension too a couple weeks ago. And I knew why. And I realized it, and accepted it. It wasn't because I'm a white (or orange) male. It wasn't because I'm mostly liberal. I was attacking personally, and not addressing the thread subject. That'll get you every time. I hope you learn from it.

Yep.  I got suspended for insinuating a couple of you Trump supporters were stupid idiots.  Damn Trump-supporting liberal moderators.  

 

[msommer]

I'm not even talking about actual persecutions because of their race.  Let's be realistic here, how often does that happen?  I've been raised in the South and I can't recall ever having witnessed an out-and-out hate crime against a person due to their race.  Has it happened?  Sure, but this isn't a major issue currently in this country.  As a whole, white people aren't getting victimized and beaten up for being white, and black people aren't getting victimized and beaten up for being black.

But there are people that aren't doing so well financially, people that are black, white, middle eastern and latino.  In many areas, people have it very difficult and times are tough, regardless of color.  The "anger" that many Trump voters supposedly feel, isn't anger at the world because they are white and persecuted, but the anger is real and their hardships are real.  I think it's silly to minimize that and/or act as if it doesn't exist and that they've been born into some privileged existence, just by happening to be a white male.

And the solution is platitudes? Build a wall. Make America Great Again! Tariff China. Renegotiate everything.

?

 

[Higgs]

I could be wrong on this issue, Tobias.  I can only go by what I've experienced.  I take little stock in a CNN article on what one person says, but perhaps I shouldn't be espousing my opinion on this matter.  If it's true that many people are mad about the plight of the white male, than I'm wasting my time, because that's laughable.

I've not heard anyone in real life talk about the plight of the white middle-class, but perhaps that's just not something that anyone expresses in public.  My group of friends and I aren't political at all, so I may not have my finger on the pulse of the disenfranchised white man.

I would say I don't think the fear of immigrants taking Americans' jobs is a racial issue, btw. 

Yeah, this.  You honestly think people are going to talk like this outside of an anonymous message board?  Are you freaking crazy?  You literally risk your livelihood by doing that.  We are living in borderline fascist times where SJW's are patrolling the country looking for bogeymen to call out and get fired.  It's not even safe in here to have these discussions.

There is a whole undercurrent of resentment and disaffection in the white middle class community.  Of course those on the Left don't see it or feel it.  And unlike past years when this disaffection was correctly labeled as ignorant, white racism - in today's world it has the tone and tenor of justified anger at a political and cultural climate that has been pretty dismissive, repressive and unfair the last 10 years.  Is it enough to cause rioting in the streets?  No, I'm not sure anything would cause middle class whites to riot.

Unfortunately I think the more likely scenario, and far more insidious, is that the trend will continue and there will be a slow bleed of this group for generations.  And this will erode all the institutions and cultural norms that made America the great country it is today.  And yes, that includes capitalism.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see America completely transformed into a Marxist society by mid century.  All empires are destined to fall, and ours is no different.  And they usually crumble from within, just like it feels like we are doing now.  

That's my tale of doom and gloom boys.  Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.  History will show that Obama and his Revolution marked the end of Americana Exceptionalism.  You're going to get exactly what you wished for.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not a complete Trump supporter but I'll take a crack at it...If you are gay and want to marry another gay person..no problem we will change the law...If you are a dude and want to wear a dress, no problem you can use the ladies room at the discomfort of the majority....If you are black protestor and want to burn down neighborhoods and loot and oppose police officers no problem we understand.....If you are a white guy and disagree with any of this, you are a racist piece of s**t mouth breather whose parents should be killed for bringing you in this world.

Literally none of this is true.

So maybe the reason Trump supporters are so pissed off is that they're just wrong about a lot of stuff?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/snoop-dogg-criticizes-racist-schwarzenegger-for-freeing-prisoner-over-political-favor/ar-BBrFE48?form=PRHPTP&ocid=iehp

How fitting: ...  .an irate Snoop Dogg called former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger a "racist piece of s***"

                         I can't wait to catch you. I'm going to confront you," Snoop said. "I hope you're running with [Donald] Trump so we can knock both of you off at the same time." 

 

[Higgs]

No, we can't.  And not only because your arguments here illogical and awful. White on black or black on white crime does not equal hate crime, genius; hate crimes are about the motivation of the offender, not just the race of the parties.  Not one of the statistics you cited has anything to do with hate crimes. The phrase "hate crime" doesn't even appear in your post that was supposedly invalidating the FBI statistics about hate crime. It's so impossibly stupid and illogical that I don't even know where to begin.

But the rambling nonsense found in your arguments is only the second-worst thing about your posts today.  The worst thing, again, is that you are approvingly citing to a white separatist. 

I mean holy ####, look at this thing that you posted on this message board today as if there's nothing wrong about it at all:

Do you even understand what's being said there? I kind of hope not, because it's saying that non-white people are predisposed to commit murders, rapes and robberies. That if you removed all the black and Latinos crime rates would drop by huge amounts, because white people just don't commit crimes no matter what their relative socioeconomic position.  It's wildly, horribly, blatantly racist.  You presented it as an indisputable fact.  That's ####ing embarrassing. And the rest of it is scarcely better- presenting crime statistics independent of socioeconomic factors.

Seriously, GTFOOH with this garbage.

You don't have the intellectual maturity to debate any of these issues.  You just don't.

 

[Higgs]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/race-based-hate-crimes-spike-in-dc/?page=all

 

[urbanhack]

Damn ya'll...I didn't realize we had it so tough.

 

[TobiasFunke]

You don't have the intellectual maturity to debate any of these issues.  You just don't.

There was only one issue being debated- relative rates of hate crime commissions, and whether another person's post about white people being the most common victims of hate crimes was true or not.

Everything else you've posted at me since then is your unsolicited white supremacist garbage. You think it's responsive to some argument I've made but if you read back you'll see that it's not.

And you're right, I don't have the maturity, intellectual or otherwise, to tolerate someone who approvingly quotes white supremacist propaganda. I don't really consider that a shortcoming.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/snoop-dogg-criticizes-racist-schwarzenegger-for-freeing-prisoner-over-political-favor/ar-BBrFE48?form=PRHPTP&ocid=iehp

How fitting: ...  .an irate Snoop Dogg called former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger a "racist piece of s***"

                         I can't wait to catch you. I'm going to confront you," Snoop said. "I hope you're running with [Donald] Trump so we can knock both of you off at the same time." 

One lesson there is the danger of relying on celebrities for real political reform.

Arnold went in with a 90% approval rating and pretty much gave up after the first round of reforms failed. It wasn't his fault, dusted off his clothes and went about not being a real governor and blaming everyone else. And then he exits with this bs move.

He left at around 20% approval IIRC, which would seem impossible.

 

[Higgs]

http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/02/no-hate-crime-charges-for-black-teens-who-attacked-war-hero/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/02/no-hate-crime-charges-for-black-teens-who-attacked-war-hero/

What does this have to do with Trump?

The man has never walked down a dangerous street in his life unprotected I would think. There's black, there's white, and then there's super-rich, he has lived nowhere near any of this. He's not going to do anything about it - whatever 'it' is - he doesn't care.

 

[JuniorNB]

What does this have to do with Trump?

The man has never walked down a dangerous street in his life unprotected I would think. There's black, there's white, and then there's super-rich, he has lived nowhere near any of this.

I think he's just trying to show you that white=good guys, black= bad guys.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You think a draft dodger and a guy who has insulted vets cares what happened to a war hero, why?

 

[urbanhack]

how have the black and latino middle classes done in relation to the whites?

no answers???

 

[JuniorNB]

You think a draft dodger and a guy who has insulted vets cares what happened to a war hero, why?

Besides, he likes guys who weren't caught

 

[joffer]

I am the very definition of white, middle class America.  These last 7 years have been the most prosperous of my lifetime.  Career-wise, family-wise...so much better than the last couple under W.  I live with a chronic illness that will no longer leave me without health insurance (a concern I had prior to Obamacare) should I lose my job.

I'd love to hear how I'm being persecuted and why I should feel disenfranchised.  What rights have white, middle class Americans lost?

Seems to me, the biggest complaint people have is that others are gaining rights and freedoms.  When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

 

[JuniorNB]

You don't have the intellectual maturity to debate any of these issues.  You just don't.

Hey, why aren't dfsguy, RBM, Card Trader, and Hell Toupee liking all of your posts?  Did you guys decide to stop doing that? Or are they mad at you for something?  It's usually like a high school pep rally with you guys.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Hey, why aren't dfsguy, RBM, Card Trader, and Hell Toupee liking all of your posts?  Did you guys decide to stop doing that? Or are they mad at you for something?  It's usually like a high school pep rally with you guys.

 

[Higgs]

There was only one issue being debated- relative rates of hate crime commissions, and whether another person's post about white people being the most common victims of hate crimes was true or not.

Everything else you've posted at me since then is your unsolicited white supremacist garbage. You think it's responsive to some argument I've made but if you read back you'll see that it's not.

And you're right, I don't have the maturity, intellectual or otherwise, to tolerate someone who approvingly quotes white supremacist propaganda. I don't really consider that a shortcoming.

How about a credible link showing that the author of the report I cited, Edwin S. Rubenstein, is a white separatist?  All I can find is stuff like this - http://www.esrresearch.com/CV.html

And once again, please continue to obfuscate and dodge the real issue here, which is that recent crime stats just don't support your racist notions that whites are persecuting blacks.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Why is it a problem for some if 2 women want to have the same benefits and rights as straight couples who marry? I don't get that opposition at all.  YOUR marriage has not changed in the slightest.  Let others enjoy the same freedoms and benefits as the straight people.  And keep the religion out of it - you can certainly still pray to your god as you always have, preferably in the comfort of your own home or church.  Signing a marriage license does not prevent that.

Assuming you're a straight male, you have no idea what its like to be transgender so why force you're opinions on people who have a completely different set of life experiences?  And I think most would have no problem with the "bathroom bills" if that's all they included.  Turns out the homophobic politicians just used that issue as a trojan horse to get their real issues approved - take away all protections.

Protests go too far, I agree.  But let's not pretend there's no basis for suspicion. Let's not stick our head in the sand and pretend institutionalized racism doesn't exist.

Where does it all end?....Won't be long before someone will be lobbying for bigamist...Why should the government care how many wives or husbands someone wants...Why do we discriminate against them...After that it will bestiality group

 

[CBusAlex]

When you've been the privileged for so long, equality feels like persecution. 

Case in point:

If you are gay and want to marry another gay person..no problem we will change the law... If you are a white guy and disagree with any of this, you are a racist piece of s**t mouth breather whose parents should be killed for bringing you in this world.

 

[JuniorNB]

Awww, sorry precious.  I forgot about you.  You like their posts too.  Better?