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The Republicans who backed Joe McCarthy, even though they knew what a buffoon and demagogue he was, never got over the stain. It ruined Robert A Taft's historical reputation. 

I suspect this current crop will suffer the same eventual fate.

 
Bucky86 said:
Is it true that soon Trump starts getting classified CIA briefings? What could possibly go wrong?
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Yes. Same guy shouted out a Senator's cell number and has threatened to 'spill the beans' on more than one occasion.

In other news his opponent left classified data on the open internet. 

 
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So Trump will never win the republican nomination, has turned into Trump will never win the Presidency. Some of you may want to slowly back out of this thread while you still have some self respect. My advice to you all, and you know who you are, is to tone it down and wait and see before embarrassing yourselves again. I can tell nobody taught you how to lose while maintaining your dignity.

 
Two Deep said:
So Trump will never win the republican nomination, has turned into Trump will never win the Presidency. Some of you may want to slowly back out of this thread while you still have some self respect. My advice to you all, and you know who you are, is to tone it down and wait and see before embarrassing yourselves again. I can tell nobody taught you how to lose while maintaining your dignity.
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How are Joe McCarthy, George Wallace and Pat Buchanan and their supporters seen by history?  The people who didn't think an obviously unfit reality TV demagogue could win the nomination of a major US political party through appealing to bitter white nativism aren't the ones that should be embarrassed here.  And that's a group that includes the vast majority of people on both sides of the isle politically BTW.

I'll ask yet again, even though stuff like numbers and facts aren't really a strong suit for most of you Trumpkins -- how does Trump have a realistic path to the 270 electoral votes he needs to win the general?  Women make up over 50% of the electorate and minorities make up close to 30% -- and he's going to get absolutely crushed in those demographics.  He takes the problems that the Republicans had in losing to Obama and makes them much, much worse.  And he's nowhere near an actual conservative in any way, so the establishment right are going to be giving him lukewarm support at best, if not openly rejecting him.

I'd love to hear an actual reasonable discussion of where his electoral votes are going to come from, but I'm sure all we'll see is more name calling and empty sloganeering.

 
 








Ben Sasse



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AN OPEN LETTER TO MAJORITY AMERICA

TO: Those who think both leading presidential candidates are dishonest and have little chance of leading America forward:

(…or, stated more simply)
TO: The majority of America:

Note: If you are one of those rare souls who genuinely believe Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are honorable people – if they are the role models you want for your kids – then this letter is not for you. Instead, this letter is for the majority of Americans who wonder why the nation that put a man on the moon can’t find a healthy leader who can take us forward together.

I want to tell you about four unsolicited conversations from the Fremont Wal-Mart this morning:

**Retired union Democrat meat-packer:
“What the heck is wrong with that city where you work? Why can’t they give us a normal person? Is it really so hard?”

Me: “Actually, it is for them – because most people in DC buy the nonsense that DC is the center of the world. You and I, despite our party differences, both agree that Fremont is the center.”

Union Democrat (interrupting): “…Because this is where my grandkids are.”

**Young evangelical mom:
“I want to cry. I disagree with Hillary Clinton on almost every single thing – but I will vote for her before Trump. I could never tell my kids later that I voted for that man.”

**Middle-aged Republican male (more political than the other folks):
“It feels like the train-car to hell is accelerating. Why is DC more filled with weirdos and yet more powerful at the same time? How do we slow this down long enough to have a conversation about actually fixing our country?”

**Trump supporter (again, unsolicited):
“Please understand: I’m going to vote for him, but I don’t like him. And I don’t trust him – I mean, I’m not stupid. But how else can I send a signal to Washington?!”
________

I’ve ignored my phone most of today, but the voicemail is overflowing with party bosses and politicos telling me that “although Trump is terrible,” we “have to” support him, “because the only choice is Trump or Hillary.”

This open letter aims simply to ask “WHY is that the only choice?”

Melissa and I got the kids launched on homework, so I’ve been sitting out by the river, reflecting on the great gap between what folks in my town are talking about, and what folks in the DC bubble are talking about.

I trust the judgment of this farm town way more than I trust DC. And so I’d like to share a dozen-ish observations on these Wal-Mart and other conversations today:

1.
Washington isn’t fooling anyone -- Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things, and yet they can’t even identify the biggest issues we face. They’re like a couple arguing about what color to paint the living room, and meanwhile, their house is on fire. They resort to character attacks as step one because they think voters are too dumb for a real debate. They very often prioritize the agendas of lobbyists (for whom many of them will eventually work) over the urgent needs of Main Street America. I signed up for the Party of Abraham Lincoln -- and I will work to reform and restore the GOP -- but let’s tell the plain truth that right now both parties lack vision.

2.
As a result, normal Americans don’t like either party. If you ask Americans if they identify as Democrat or Republican, almost half of the nation interrupts to say: “Neither.”

3.
Young people despise the two parties even more than the general electorate. And why shouldn’t they? The main thing that unites most Democrats is being anti-Republican; the main thing that unites most Republicans is being anti-Democrat. No one knows what either party is for -- but almost everyone knows neither party has any solutions for our problems. “Unproductive” doesn’t begin to summarize how messed up this is.

4.
Our problems are huge right now, but one of the most obvious is that we’ve not passed along the meaning of America to the next generation. If we don’t get them to re-engage -- thinking about how we defend a free society in the face of global jihadis, or how we balance our budgets after baby boomers have dishonestly over-promised for decades, or how we protect First Amendment values in the face of the safe-space movement – then all will indeed have been lost. One of the bright spots with the rising generation, though, is that they really would like to rethink the often knee-jerk partisanship of their parents and grandparents. We should encourage this rethinking.

5.
These two national political parties are enough of a mess that I believe they will come apart. It might not happen fully in 2016 – and I’ll continue fighting to revive the GOP with ideas -- but when people’s needs aren’t being met, they ultimately find other solutions.

6.
In the history of polling, we’ve basically never had a candidate viewed negatively by half of the electorate. This year, we have two. In fact, we now have the two most unpopular candidates ever – Hillary by a little, and Trump by miles (including now 3 out of 4 women – who vote more and influence more votes than men). There are dumpster fires in my town more popular than these two “leaders.”

7.
With Clinton and Trump, the fix is in. Heads, they win; tails, you lose. Why are we confined to these two terrible options? This is America. If both choices stink, we reject them and go bigger. That’s what we do.

8.
Remember: our Founders didn’t want entrenched political parties. So why should we accept this terrible choice?

9.
So...let’s have a thought experiment for a few weeks: Why shouldn’t America draft an honest leader who will focus on 70% solutions for the next four years? You know...an adult?
(Two notes for reporters:
**Such a leader should be able to campaign 24/7 for the next six months. Therefore he/she likely can’t be an engaged parent with little kids.
**Although I’m one of the most conservative members of the Senate, I'm not interested in an ideological purity test, because even a genuine consensus candidate would almost certainly be more conservative than either of the two dishonest liberals now leading the two national parties.)

10.
Imagine if we had a candidate:
...who hadn’t spent his/her life in politics either buying politicians or being bought

…who didn’t want to stitch together a coalition based on anger but wanted to take a whole nation forward

…who pledged to serve for only one term, as a care-taker problem-solver for this messy moment

…who knew that Washington isn’t competent to micromanage the lives of free people, but instead wanted to SERVE by focusing on 3 or 4 big national problems,
such as:
A. A national security strategy for the age of cyber and jihad;
B. Honest budgeting/entitlement reform so that we stop stealing from future generations;
C. Empowering states and local governments to improve K-12 education, and letting Washington figure out how to update federal programs to adjust to now needing lifelong learners in an age where folks are obviously not going to work at a single job for a lifetime anymore; and
D. Retiring career politicians by ending all the incumbency protections, special rules, and revolving door opportunities for folks who should be public “servants,” not masters.

This really shouldn’t be that hard.

The oath I took is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. In brief, that means I’m for limited government.

And there is no reason to believe that either of these two national frontrunners believe in limiting anything about DC’s power.

I believe that most Americans can still be for limited government again -- if they were given a winsome candidate who wanted Washington to focus on a small number of really important, urgent things -- in a way that tried to bring people together instead of driving us apart.

I think there is room – an appetite – for such a candidate.

What am I missing?

More importantly, what are the people at the Fremont Wal-Mart missing?

Because I don’t think they are wrong. They deserve better. They deserve a Congress that tackles the biggest policy problems facing the nation. And they deserve a president who knows that his or her job is not to “reign,” but to serve as commander-in-chief and to “faithfully execute” the laws – not to claim imperial powers to rewrite them with his pen and phone.

The sun is mostly set on the Platte River -- and the kids need baths. So g’night.

Ben

‪#‎WeCanDoBetter‬
‪#‎GiveUsMoreChoices‬
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Ben Sasse ‏@BenSasse 11h11 hours ago
I think there is room for a 3rd party candidate. What am I missing? More importantly, what are the people at Fremont Wal-Mart missing?
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- Senator Ben Sasse (NE) is making some unhappy noises.


 
Two Deep said:
So Trump will never win the republican nomination, has turned into Trump will never win the Presidency. Some of you may want to slowly back out of this thread while you still have some self respect. My advice to you all, and you know who you are, is to tone it down and wait and see before embarrassing yourselves again. I can tell nobody taught you how to lose while maintaining your dignity.
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Here's the map, what's his path:

http://www.270towin.com/

Lay it out, how will it happen? <- :coffee:

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Senator Ben Sasse (NE) is making some unhappy noises.
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Well, part of what Senator Sasse is missing is that overwhelmingly white and evangelical small towns are not actually all that representative of America as a whole. His dream candidate might be able to win Friedmont but doesn't speak to the concerns of voters in New York or LA or Miami at all.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Here's the map, what's his path:

http://www.270towin.com/

Lay it out, how will it happen? <- :coffee:
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Most plausible?...probably something along the lines of his economic populism ends up playing extremely well in the Midwest and he manages to flip Iowa, Minn, Michigan, and OH while also flipping VA.  That gets him to 269.  I have no idea how likely that actually is, but I could envision a scenario where that could work. 

Atlernatively, he flips Iowa, Ohio, Virginia and Florida though I don't think he has a real path that way.  I think he ends up changing the electoral map, if he's going to win.  

 
Two Deep said:
So Trump will never win the republican nomination, has turned into Trump will never win the Presidency. Some of you may want to slowly back out of this thread while you still have some self respect. My advice to you all, and you know who you are, is to tone it down and wait and see before embarrassing yourselves again. I can tell nobody taught you how to lose while maintaining your dignity.
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Wait who has to be worried about their dignity?

 
Sammy3469 said:
Most plausible?...probably something along the lines of his economic populism ends up playing extremely well in the Midwest and he manages to flip Iowa, Minn, Michigan, and OH while also flipping VA.  That gets him to 269.  I have no idea how likely that actually is, but I could envision a scenario where that could work. 

Atlernatively, he flips Iowa, Ohio, Virginia and Florida though I don't think he has a real path that way.  I think he ends up changing the electoral map, if he's going to win.  
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If we assume NY is Blue and give Donald:

- WI, MI, IN, OH, VA, PA & NC on that map I posted then he would be at 283, so yeah, that would be one way, sweep the midwest rust and coal belt. No need for FL.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
If we assume NY is Blue and give Donald:

- WI, MI, IN, OH, VA, PA & NC on that map I posted then he would be at 277, so yeah, that would be one way, sweep the midwest rust and coal belt. No need for FL.
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Yeah...whatever combo you want, but if you assume the demographics work against him in FL, CO, and NM, he has to concentrate on those states.  The ironic part is you can make the argument this was the area he performed the worst in during the primaries.   Of course, Hillary also lost some of those primaries as well... 

In any case, if I was Trump, I'd probably cede FL and just concentrate on honing my message and time to those areas. 

 
CBusAlex said:
Well, part of what Senator Sasse is missing is that overwhelmingly white and evangelical small towns are not actually all that representative of America as a whole. His dream candidate might be able to win Friedmont but doesn't speak to the concerns of voters in New York or LA or Miami at all.
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Yeah I agree, I just think here's a Senator making noises about a substantial 3rd party/independent candidacy, by someone.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Yeah...whatever combo you want, but if you assume the demographics work against him in FL, CO, and NM, he has to concentrate on those states.  The ironic part is you can make the argument this was the area he performed the worst in during the primaries.   Of course, Hillary also lost some of those primaries as well... 

In any case, if I was Trump, I'd probably cede FL and just concentrate on honing my message and time to those areas. 
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His ego will not let him cede his co-home state. No chance. 

 
CBusAlex said:
Well, part of what Senator Sasse is missing is that overwhelmingly white and evangelical small towns are not actually all that representative of America as a whole. His dream candidate might be able to win Friedmont but doesn't speak to the concerns of voters in New York or LA or Miami at all.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yeah I agree, I just think here's a Senator making noises about a substantial 3rd party/independent candidacy, by someone.
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Except the candidate the Senator is pining for was already run out of town.  Ted Cruz was the conservatives conservative and Trump ate his lunch so I doubt Sen. Sasse could find a viable candidate even if it weren't so late in the game to get on the ballot and make some noise.

 
dutch said:
Except the candidate the Senator is pining for was already run out of town.  Ted Cruz was the conservatives conservative and Trump ate his lunch so I doubt Sen. Sasse could find a viable candidate even if it weren't so late in the game to get on the ballot and make some noise.
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A third party conservative with any type of name kills any chance Trump has in the general election.

Not the same as the primaries.

 
The General said:
A third party conservative with any type of name kills any chance Trump has in the general election.

Not the same as the primaries.
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True, however my reading of Sasse's blurt is that he is looking for a viable 3rd party Presidential candidate and not just a spoiler.

 
The General said:
A third party conservative with any type of name kills any chance Trump has in the general election.

Not the same as the primaries.
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Isn't it too late for that?  Honest question, but I'm pretty sure that I've heard that it's literally impossible for a 3rd party candidate to get on the ballot at this point.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
:goodposting:

Been asking this for weeks now in every Trump thread.  Trumpkins shed logic like water off of a duck's back.
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Take the 2012 actual map and add Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan..to Trump

 
Everyone has acknowledged that Bernie has forced Clinton to the left during the primary. What no one expected is that Trump is going to keep her there during the general as he desperately tries to appeal to the majority of the country who view him unfavorably. It's why I laugh whenever a Trump supporter attempts to label their opposition as "lefties". Their fuhrer is a lefty.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Here's the map, what's his path:

http://www.270towin.com/

Lay it out, how will it happen? <- :coffee:
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The reality for any Republican is that paths to victory on the electoral map are getting squeezed tighter and tighter.  

His best chance is if the 2012 actual map is the baseline he picks Kasich and snipes OH, wins FL and then manages to nail MI.....but then he'd still need one more EC vote. 

ETA: But, the reality of Trump is that I don't think he breaks down on traditional voting lines AND he's facing an opponent who is not very well liked.  The money spent will be an early indicator.........if he's spending money in NJ,PA,NY......he might force Clinton to defend those areas a bit more than a D is used to. 

 
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Two Deep said:
Take the 2012 actual map and add Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan..to Trump
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Michigan and Pennsylvania haven't voted Republican in a national election since 1988, and almost 40% of Florida's population is black or Hispanic.  You genuinely believe that these states are all going to be won by Trump?   :lmao:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
If we assume NY is Blue and give Donald:

- WI, MI, IN, OH, VA, PA & NC on that map I posted then he would be at 283, so yeah, that would be one way, sweep the midwest rust and coal belt. No need for FL.
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brohan there is no chance that he will win wi remember he lost ugly here to cruise and almost to kasich and he attacked walker and the r party and talk radio here hate him they are actively advocating for a third party on conservative talk radio here i heard it over lunch i have seen stranger things i guess but i do not see it happenin in scanny bromigo take that to the bank 

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Michigan and Pennsylvania haven't voted Republican in a national election since 1988, and almost 40% of Florida's population is black or Hispanic.  You genuinely believe that these states are all going to be won by Trump?   :lmao:
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What about a "Go Where White People Are And Convince Them to Vote For Me" strategy?  He could cut a lily white swath to victory across the Mid West.......

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
Michigan and Pennsylvania haven't voted Republican in a national election since 1988, and almost 40% of Florida's population is black or Hispanic.  You genuinely believe that these states are all going to be won by Trump?   :lmao:
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You asked I responded. You can laugh all you want. You all laughed and never thought he would get this far. Florida is chock full of Blue headed old people. Michigan and Pennsylvania are tired of watching their manufacturing jobs being outsourced.

 
I'm done doubting the orange man. He can literally talk about himself for 45 minutes and people lap it up, say almost nothing else, then say build wall, make America great again, and make some joke about Hillary's cankles and his numbers go up.

 
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