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Higgs said:
What did Donald do here?  Even if this was a hate crime and went down exactly as the victim said, you can't tie this to Trump.  If so, then Hillary should be half equally accountable for the BLM supporters who beat down the veteran in DC a couple months ago.  And that's just ridiculous.

Fact is, there has been more violence from the Leftist protestors than from the Trump supporters.  By a wide margin.
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This is some impressive nonsense. Horrible analogy followed by declaring something to be a fact that is not a fact.

Lemme know when leftist protestors have an incident like, say, the one where Trump supporters beat up a homeless person because “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported." And then Clinton praises the supporters who beat up a homeless person in her name as "very passionate" people who just "want this country to be great again" when asked about it, as Trump did.

Until you've got an example like that, GTFOOH with this "leftist protestors are worse than Trump supporters" and "you can't hold Trump responsible for violence done in his name" nonsense.

 
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At the Republican convention there's going to be protests. Some (a small but loud minority)  of the protestors are bound to be idiots, and there's going to be violence. The TV cameras will capture video of young blacks and Latinos attacking police, possibly looting, causing mayhem. 

All of this is going to help Donald Trump. 

 
timschochet said:
At the Republican convention there's going to be protests. Some (a small but loud minority)  of the protestors are bound to be idiots, and there's going to be violence. The TV cameras will capture video of young blacks and Latinos attacking police, possibly looting, causing mayhem. 

All of this is going to help Donald Trump. 
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Why should the GOP care? Their nominee said he would do the same thing.

Dem Miami 68 replay, this time without Humphrey, and Wallace is on the other team, it will likely have the same result. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Why shoukd the GOP care? Their nominee said he would do the same thing.

Dem Miami 68 replay, this time without Humphrey, and Wallace is on the other team, it will likely have the same result. 
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Not sure where you're going with this. The Dem 68 convention was in Chicago- the GOP convention was in Miami and RELATIVELY more peaceful. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yeah I said it wrong, Chicago 68 this time without Humphrey but with Wallace, that's what I was going for. The Dems got swamped, the GOP will be too.

eta - this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention
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My point is that a main reason Nixon won that year is the public watched all the protests and violence on TV and didn't like what they saw. A vote for Nixon was a vote for law and order. Trump could play on similar emotions. 

 
timschochet said:
My point is that a main reason Nixon won that year is the public watched all the protests and violence on TV and didn't like what they saw. A vote for Nixon was a vote for law and order. Trump could play on similar emotions. 
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I gotcha, I'd say it's a reason, and I think I was trying to agree with you.

Hillary will have to go law & order but she's done it before.

If you're saying this helps Donald I disagree. He's the Humphrey here, it's his convention.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Go ahead, call out the states that will do this for him.

http://www.270towin.com/
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I'm trying to find a way to get Trump to 270.  As far as I can tell he'd need to win Florida, Ohio, Nevada and then at least one of the following states that I'd consider longshots: Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan. If he wins Pennsylvania he doesn't need Nevada. That seems like the simplest path.  Not simple at all, but simpler than some crazy scenario where he wins New York or something.

Clinton will presumably throw massive resources at Florida. If the Dems win there it's over, and obviously the large Hispanic population bodes well in terms of getting people motivated and to the polls.

 
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Walking Boot said:
Looking at the map, Trump's got 325 electoral votes locked up. The right tone now and he could hit 400 by the convention. 

It's his race to lose. Hillary doesn't stand a chance right now. 
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Could you show your work here?  Everything I've seen shows that it was an uphill battle for a generic Republican.  Adding a guy with the numbers that Trump has with minorities and women looks like a massive rout for The Democrats according to literally every source that I've seen on both sides.  The 19 states that have voted blue six or more times in a row plus Hispanic-heavy Florida puts Hillary over 270 despite her being about as appealing as a root canal and a colonoscopy at the same time.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The responsible "left" and the "right" believes in stability.

That doesn't mean Iraq and Vietnam.

Global institutions and alliances vs actual military intervention are two totally different things.
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So for us to have an alliance with others we have to have a military base or occupying force in their country???

 
The state of Florida, along with Nevada and Colorado, we're basically the entire point of the Republican "obituary" report after 2012: to win future Presidential elections they had to do better than 30% of Latinos, otherwise there was no viable path to victory. That's why the party leadership pushed for the immigration reform deal in 2014- they wanted illegal immigration done with as an issue. 

Instead the base not only rejected the deal but put up a candidate who has made illegal immigration the central issue of his campaign. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
FL & OH will be huge, obviously.
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What's amazing is that even if Trump wins both of them and North Carolina (where he currently trails Clinton by 12, surprisingly enough, and will be on the ballot with a very unpopular incumbent), he still comes up short and has to find 17 more electoral votes from a combination of Nevada, Colorado (both with huge Hispanic populations), Wisconsin (lost the primary by 13 points, state GOP hates him), Pennsylvania (trails Clinton by 15), Virginia, New Hampshire and Iowa.  And again, that's only if he wins all of Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. Last I saw he trails in all three.

The map is far more daunting for Trump than the national polls showing him trailing by 7-10 points.

 
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timschochet said:
The state of Florida, along with Nevada and Colorado, we're basically the entire point of the Republican "obituary" report after 2012: to win future Presidential elections they had to do better than 30% of Latinos, otherwise there was no viable path to victory. That's why the party leadership pushed for the immigration reform deal in 2014- they wanted illegal immigration done with as an issue. 

Instead the base not only rejected the deal but put up a candidate who has made illegal immigration the central issue of his campaign. 
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True. The demographics are also shifting in Texas, which if the Ds could turn would put the nail in the coffin for Rs going forward (nationally).

 
timschochet said:
The state of Florida, along with Nevada and Colorado, we're basically the entire point of the Republican "obituary" report after 2012: to win future Presidential elections they had to do better than 30% of Latinos, otherwise there was no viable path to victory. That's why the party leadership pushed for the immigration reform deal in 2014- they wanted illegal immigration done with as an issue. 

Instead the base not only rejected the deal but put up a candidate who has made illegal immigration the central issue of his campaign. 
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Donald's losing whites - in places like VA, NC, elsewhere - too. The man has sky high Unfavorable numbers, we don't even have to get to the demographics thing. That was for the election that would have been without Donald. Donald is going to do worse with whites than Romney and McCain.

 
Looking at the map, Trump's got 325 electoral votes locked up. The right tone now and he could hit 400 by the convention.
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I think 400 is a low estimate to be honest. If he brings on Oprah (to win back the black vote), plus Ivanka (to bring out all the women), and a few Mexican/Indian celebrities (to seal up the Hispanic/Muslim vote) and then signs up a million new voters (who had given up on politics due to the low energy of Romney and McCain), then 538 electoral votes could easily be within Trump's grasp. We could be witnessing a truly historical moment in American politics.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
No Army To Offer...????
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Under Trump, yeah, that's how it will be viewed.

And countries will start making plans, enemies and allies alike, already have.

- eta - this affects our safety 1000x's more than whatever scary muslims are threatening to come into our country.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Under Trump, yeah, that's how it will be viewed.

And countries will start making plans, enemies and allies alike, already have.

- eta - this affects our safety 1000x's more than whatever scary muslims are threatening to come into our country.
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Who are these boogey men that are making plans..and what plans are they making?

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Who are these boogey men that are making plans..and what plans are they making?
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Russia: NATO military buildup in eastern Europe will require 'retaliatory measures' from Moscow


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-will-respond-to-nato-buildup-in-baltics-2016-5


Iranian commander threatens to deny the US access to the Persian Gulf


http://www.businessinsider.com/iranian-commander-threatens-to-deny-the-us-access-to-the-persian-gulf-2016-5


NATO reportedly plans to send 4 battalions to eastern border with Russia


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/30/nato-reportedly-plans-to-send-4-battalions-to-eastern-border-with-russia.html


China Blocks U.S. Navy Flotilla’s Visit to Hong Kong


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/world/asia/china-blocks-us-navy-flotillas-visit-to-hong-kong.html?_r=1&referer=

- Or you know you could look at the article I already posted twice for you.

 
TobiasFunke said:
This is some impressive nonsense. Horrible analogy followed by declaring something to be a fact that is not a fact.

Lemme know when leftist protestors have an incident like, say, the one where Trump supporters beat up a homeless person because “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported." And then Clinton praises the supporters who beat up a homeless person in her name as "very passionate" people who just "want this country to be great again" when asked about it, as Trump did.

Until you've got an example like that, GTFOOH with this "leftist protestors are worse than Trump supporters" and "you can't hold Trump responsible for violence done in his name" nonsense.
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How about in just a three day period from last week?  Do you even watch the news?

1. Chris Conway – beaten bloody by protesters at Burlingame rally 4/29/16.  https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/trump_rally-protests.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

2. Protesters smash 5 police cars, throw eggs at cops, and throw trash and rocks at cars at Costa Mesa rally on 4/28/16.  17 protesters arrested.  http://laist.com/2016/04/29/trump_rally_violence.php

3. Trump supporter attacked and beaten bloody by protesters at Orange Country rally on 4/28/16 http://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/725909071417597952/photo/1

4. Protester attacks and pepper sprays Trump supporters, injuring 5 people including two young girls aged 8 and 11 at Anaheim rally on 4/26/16.  5:15 mark of video - https://youtu.be/Nf7WKwUpjRc

 
LOL at NATO, it is effing worthless.

We are not the world police.  If you want the US to be the world police, feel free to pay my taxes for me.  And while you're at it, think about why the Taliban took out our twin towers.

 
TripItUp said:
LOL at NATO, it is effing worthless.

We are not the world police.  If you want the US to be the world police, feel free to pay my taxes for me.  And while you're at it, think about why the Taliban took out our twin towers.
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We've already fought two wars in Europe with the same cast of characters.

We've been there militarily 100 years by next year.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Donald's losing whites - in places like VA, NC, elsewhere - too. The man has sky high Unfavorable numbers, we don't even have to get to the demographics thing. That was for the election that would have been without Donald. Donald is going to do worse with whites than Romney and McCain.
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It's far too early to say any of this.  If Trump can now win over all the Cruz and Kasich voters that previously hated him, then the whole demographics will shift.  

With Hilary as the opponent, you'd think they would, but maybe not.

Also, you have to consider the impact that Bernie Sanders is having.  We are extremely late in the primary season and she is still losing states to Sanders.  

Regardless of what anyone tells you, that clearly shows that she is not a strong candidate.

There are two weak candidates for president at the moment, both with high unfavorable numbers.  It's absurd to think that either of them is far out in front of the other.  Both face major challenges to overcome.

 
Sounds like NATO is more provocative than deterrent....another reason to pull back and mind our own f**king business...Also I'm quite sure these same countries are aware of our resources and capabilities without having to camp out on their doorstep....

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Sounds like NATO is more provocative than deterrent....another reason to pull back and mind our own f**king business...Also I'm quite sure these same countries are aware of our resources and capabilities without having to camp out on their doorstep....
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Wow, rejecting 100 years of history there. We went to war twice in Europe before there was NATO.

None since.

 
Higgs said:
How about in just a three day period from last week?  Do you even watch the news?

1. Chris Conway – beaten bloody by protesters at Burlingame rally 4/29/16.  https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/trump_rally-protests.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

2. Protesters smash 5 police cars, throw eggs at cops, and throw trash and rocks at cars at Costa Mesa rally on 4/28/16.  17 protesters arrested.  http://laist.com/2016/04/29/trump_rally_violence.php

3. Trump supporter attacked and beaten bloody by protesters at Orange Country rally on 4/28/16 http://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/725909071417597952/photo/1

4. Protester attacks and pepper sprays Trump supporters, injuring 5 people including two young girls aged 8 and 11 at Anaheim rally on 4/26/16.  5:15 mark of video - https://youtu.be/Nf7WKwUpjRc
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Those don't count.

 
Higgs said:
How about in just a three day period from last week?  Do you even watch the news?

1. Chris Conway – beaten bloody by protesters at Burlingame rally 4/29/16.  https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/trump_rally-protests.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

2. Protesters smash 5 police cars, throw eggs at cops, and throw trash and rocks at cars at Costa Mesa rally on 4/28/16.  17 protesters arrested.  http://laist.com/2016/04/29/trump_rally_violence.php

3. Trump supporter attacked and beaten bloody by protesters at Orange Country rally on 4/28/16 http://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/725909071417597952/photo/1

4. Protester attacks and pepper sprays Trump supporters, injuring 5 people including two young girls aged 8 and 11 at Anaheim rally on 4/26/16.  5:15 mark of video - https://youtu.be/Nf7WKwUpjRc
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Which of these was done in the name of Clinton again? Which of these did she defend as "passionate supporters"?

Also, while these are unfortunate and I'd never condone them, none of them come remotely close to two guys beating the snot out of a homeless man who is minding his own business, just because he's Hispanic.

 
Higgs said:
How about in just a three day period from last week?  Do you even watch the news?

1. Chris Conway – beaten bloody by protesters at Burlingame rally 4/29/16.  https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/trump_rally-protests.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

2. Protesters smash 5 police cars, throw eggs at cops, and throw trash and rocks at cars at Costa Mesa rally on 4/28/16.  17 protesters arrested.  http://laist.com/2016/04/29/trump_rally_violence.php

3. Trump supporter attacked and beaten bloody by protesters at Orange Country rally on 4/28/16 http://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/725909071417597952/photo/1

4. Protester attacks and pepper sprays Trump supporters, injuring 5 people including two young girls aged 8 and 11 at Anaheim rally on 4/26/16.  5:15 mark of video - https://youtu.be/Nf7WKwUpjRc
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Pretty obvious to me the electorate will seek to remove the offending object causing all this irritation.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Wow, rejecting 100 years of history there. We went to war twice in Europe before there was NATO.

None since.
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I'm sure that has to do with NATO and not the fact that we dropped two Atom bombs that did not exist prior to those wars..The day of the World War is over...

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Which of these was done in the name of Clinton again? Which of these did she defend as "passionate supporters"?

Also, while these are unfortunate and I'd never condone them, none of them come remotely close to two guys beating the snot out of a homeless man who is minding his own business, just because he's Hispanic.
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What's the difference in beating a person because they are hispanic or beating someone because they are a Trump supporter?  Either way, you're beating someone.

It's absurd to say that a Trump supporter being beaten bloody is not even remotely close to as bad as a homeless man being beaten bloody.  In both cases, you have people being beaten bloody, so both are equally bad, and hatred is behind both beatings.  

 
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