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shader said:
What's the difference in beating a person because they are hispanic or beating someone because they are a Trump supporter?  Either way, you're beating someone.

It's absurd to say that a Trump supporter being beaten bloody is not even remotely close to as bad as a homeless man being beaten bloody.  In both cases, you have people being beaten bloody, so both are equally bad, and hatred is behind both beatings.  
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The difference is that the homeless person was absolutely minding his own business and doing nothing wrong, and their confession that they beat him because he's Hispanic is confirmation of that.  I have no idea if the Trump victims were engaging the protesters, insulting them, threatening them, etc.  That wouldn't completely excuse violence, but it would IMO make it a far less egregious act.

If you know the context for the incidents listed above I'd be curious to read it, though.

And of course this still doesn't get to the real problem, which is that Trump condones and on occasion even encourages these sorts of attacks.  Still waiting for the first example of Clinton doing that.

 
TobiasFunke said:
The difference is that the homeless person was absolutely minding his own business and doing nothing wrong, and their confession that they beat him because he's Hispanic is confirmation of that.  I have no idea if the Trump victims were engaging the protesters, insulting them, threatening them, etc.  That wouldn't completely excuse violence, but it would IMO make it a far less egregious act.

If you know the context for the incidents listed above I'd be curious to read it, though.

And of course this still doesn't get to the real problem, which is that Trump condones and on occasion even encourages these sorts of attacks.  Still waiting for the first example of Clinton doing that.
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She doesn't have to publicly condone it.  That's the beauty of it for her narrative.  She loves when Trump's supporters are attacked because she can then blame Trump for it!  And her people eat it up and believe her.  

 
shader said:
She doesn't have to publicly condone it.  That's the beauty of it for her narrative.  She loves when Trump's supporters are attacked because she can then blame Trump for it!  And her people eat it up and believe her.  
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If you're just gonna change the subject and ramble incoherently, at least make it interesting. Throw in some sort of Benghazi insanity or a Lewinsky joke or something.

 
shader said:
It's far too early to say any of this.  If Trump can now win over all the Cruz and Kasich voters that previously hated him, then the whole demographics will shift.  

With Hilary as the opponent, you'd think they would, but maybe not.

Also, you have to consider the impact that Bernie Sanders is having.  We are extremely late in the primary season and she is still losing states to Sanders.  

Regardless of what anyone tells you, that clearly shows that she is not a strong candidate.

There are two weak candidates for president at the moment, both with high unfavorable numbers.  It's absurd to think that either of them is far out in front of the other.  Both face major challenges to overcome.
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In Presidential elections, at the end of the day nothing really matters except the electoral map and demographic numbers.  Hillary absolutely IS a weak candidate -- if she were running against a typical challenger, that is.  She's not facing a typical opponent, though, the right went with literally the only person in history that's even more revolting to even more people than she is.  Like any national election, all that will matter in November are a few key population groups in a few key states.  Short of an indictment, a major terrorist attack on American soil, or a complete economic crash in the next six months, this is a done deal, and all of the empty rhetoric and name calling in the world can't change that.

 
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shader said:
http://fox6now.com/2016/05/01/enough-hillary-clinton-blames-donald-trump-for-violence-at-his-rallies/
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She's right.  I said the same thing, as have many others. He condones violence and physical confrontation and in many cases has encouraged it.

Again, not sure what point you're trying to make, or why you changed the subject from my request for examples of Clinton supporters beating on defenseless people minding their own business and Clinton then defending them as "passionate." I take it you don't have an example of anything like that and that's why you're changing the subject?

 
TobiasFunke said:
She's right.  I said the same thing, as have many others. He condones violence and physical confrontation and in many cases has encouraged it.

Again, not sure what point you're trying to make, or why you changed the subject from my request for examples of Clinton supporters beating on defenseless people minding their own business and Clinton then defending them as "passionate." I take it you don't have an example of anything like that and that's why you're changing the subject?
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Link to Trump supporting the beating of the homeless man? 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hey remember that time Donald blamed Ted Cruz for a $200 ad one of his supporters put in Facebook?
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Trump is an idiot.  I don't support him.  But it's laughable to see Hilary blaming Trump for the violence when Trump's supporters are the ones getting attacked.  

The logic of it is so absurd.  The only people who can't see the clear logic are those with blinders on.

But then, both Clinton and Trump are so laughable that I think these types of things are going to happen over and over for the next 6 months.  A couple corrupt people campaigning for president and backed by supporters that are 100% blinded and that can't see the reality of the situation.

 
shader said:
It's far too early to say any of this.  If Trump can now win over all the Cruz and Kasich voters that previously hated him, then the whole demographics will shift.  

With Hilary as the opponent, you'd think they would, but maybe not.

Also, you have to consider the impact that Bernie Sanders is having.  We are extremely late in the primary season and she is still losing states to Sanders.  

Regardless of what anyone tells you, that clearly shows that she is not a strong candidate.

There are two weak candidates for president at the moment, both with high unfavorable numbers.  It's absurd to think that either of them is far out in front of the other.  Both face major challenges to overcome.
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No it's not too early.

54 is where people hope to be in November, when all the votes are in. Hillary is there now.

  • Opponent has 50+
  • Unfavorables over 70+.
  • Unfavorable with core group which should just show up, ie whites - over 50+
  • Candidate personally motivates other demographics to show up against him, some of whom have 80-90+ unfavorable numbers.
  • Down by more than 10.
  • Everyone knows who he is, name recognition is nearly 100%.


This is a ridiculous exercise.
 

 
shader said:
Trump is an idiot.  I don't support him.  But it's laughable to see Hilary blaming Trump for the violence when Trump's supporters are the ones getting attacked.  

The logic of it is so absurd.  The only people who can't see the clear logic are those with blinders on.

But then, both Clinton and Trump are so laughable that I think these types of things are going to happen over and over for the next 6 months.  A couple corrupt people campaigning for president and backed by supporters that are 100% blinded and that can't see the reality of the situation.
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Oh I agree, this is going to be 7 months of absurdity. My point was where is Donald's right to complain when he did the same thing vs Cruz.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Pretty obvious to me the electorate will seek to remove the offending object causing all this irritation.
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Seems to me the offending object in all these cases was Leftist, scumbag protesters intent on causing trouble.  Not a good look defending these idiots, Saint.

 
TobiasFunke said:
She's right.  I said the same thing, as have many others. He condones violence and physical confrontation and in many cases has encouraged it.

Again, not sure what point you're trying to make, or why you changed the subject from my request for examples of Clinton supporters beating on defenseless people minding their own business and Clinton then defending them as "passionate." I take it you don't have an example of anything like that and that's why you're changing the subject?
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Wow.  Should have quit while you were behind dude.  You're starting to embarrass yourself here.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
No it's not too early.

54 is where people hope to be in November, when all the votes are in. Hillary is there now.

  • Opponent has 50+
  • Unfavorables over 70+.
  • Unfavorable with core group which should just show up, ie whites - over 50+
  • Candidate personally motivates other demographics to show up against him, some of whom have 80-90+ unfavorable numbers.
  • Down by more than 10.
  • Everyone knows who he is, name recognition is nearly 100%.


This is a ridiculous exercise.
 
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I totally disagree but I respect your opinion.  If the general election were being held tomorrow, I'd agree with you.  But when you consider the absolute lunacy of the two candidates and the fact that the general election is half a year away, I think it's far too early to think that any of those numbers mean all that much, other than the fact that Hilary is starting with a bit of an advantage.  

If I recall, Nate Silver or someone of that ilk gave Trump a 2% chance of being the REpublican candidate.  

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
Link to Trump supporting the beating of the homeless man? 
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I didn't say he supported that, I said he condoned that. Here's what he said when asked about it, after acknowledging that if it's true "it would be a shame":

"I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate."

If you're curious about what these passionate Trump-loving patriots did, they pissed on a homeless man while he was asleep and beat him with a metal pole.  And the quote above is the best Trump could muster. Make America Great Again!

BTW if you want evidence of him actually supporting violence, it's pretty easy to find.  Just google "Trump encourages violence" for a bunch of articles listing the examples of him doing so.

ETA:  For those of you who don't like to read, here's video!

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I didn't say he supported that, I said he condoned that. Here's what he said when asked about it, after acknowledging that if it's true "it would be a shame":

"I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate."

If you're curious about what these passionate Trump-loving patriots did, they pissed on a homeless man while he was asleep and beat him with a metal pole.  And the quote above is the best Trump could muster. Make America Great Again!

BTW if you want evidence of him actually supporting violence, it's pretty easy to find.  Just google "Trump encourages violence" for a bunch of articles listing the examples of him doing so.
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If you want an example of Hilary supporting violence, look at the Middle East, which she has helped turn into a hellhole.

Two despicable candidates and people.

 
Higgs said:
Seems to me the offending object in all these cases was Leftist, scumbag protesters intent on causing trouble.  Not a good look defending these idiots, Saint.
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Redux.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention

Tim raised it and it was a good point.

Talk about bad looks for a party. The protests will be laid at the feet of Trump and the Republicans.

Btw - why should you care about the protests when Trump and Stone threatened the exact same thing?

 
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shader said:
I totally disagree but I respect your opinion.  If the general election were being held tomorrow, I'd agree with you.  But when you consider the absolute lunacy of the two candidates and the fact that the general election is half a year away, I think it's far too early to think that any of those numbers mean all that much, other than the fact that Hilary is starting with a bit of an advantage.  

If I recall, Nate Silver or someone of that ilk gave Trump a 2% chance of being the REpublican candidate.  
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Hey you may be right. Thanks for the response.

 
shader said:
If you want an example of Hilary supporting violence, look at the Middle East, which she has helped turn into a hellhole.

Two despicable candidates and people.
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See, now you're talking. When changing the subject because you know you're wrong and you've lost an argument, do it with some flair!

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
No it's not too early.

54 is where people hope to be in November, when all the votes are in. Hillary is there now.

  • Opponent has 50+
  • Unfavorables over 70+.
  • Unfavorable with core group which should just show up, ie whites - over 50+
  • Candidate personally motivates other demographics to show up against him, some of whom have 80-90+ unfavorable numbers.
  • Down by more than 10.
  • Everyone knows who he is, name recognition is nearly 100%.


This is a ridiculous exercise.
 
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And yet he just keeps on winning.  Must eat you up

 
flapgreen said:
And yet he just keeps on winning.  Must eat you up
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I'm fine with the numbers - what's the scoreboard say?

Trump Votes: ~ 10.6 million

Non-Trump Votes: ~15 million

I'd be more worried about my country and my fellow Americans if the number was reversed.

eta - basically what we have here is a classic minority takeover, whether it's a shareholder's meeting or the 1917 Russian Duma, things like this happen.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
See, now you're talking. When changing the subject because you know you're wrong and you've lost an argument, do it with some flair!
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I wasn't involved with your initial argument.  I just jumped in to laugh at your ridiculous assertion that the beating of a homeless man is somehow far worse than the beating of Trump supporters.  You can now proceed to blindly support Clinton again.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm fine with the numbers - what's the scoreboard say?

Trump Votes: ~ 10.6 million

Non-Trump Votes: ~15 million

I'd be more worried about my country and my fellow Americans if the number was reversed.
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So can you help me understand any likely scenario where a 17 person race results in the winner having a majority of votes at this point?  Oh, by the way, Trump will have a majority of the votes when the convention comes around.  And he has a majority of the delegates available to date as well.  I'd say he did pretty good, and you would too if you were being honest.

 
Higgs said:
So can you help me understand any likely scenario where a 17 person race results in the winner having a majority of votes at this point?  Oh, by the way, Trump will have a majority of the votes when the convention comes around.  And he has a majority of the delegates available to date as well.  I'd say he did pretty good, and you would too if you were being honest.
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He did extremely well, he's won. Flap was just asking me if I was upset by the results, I'm disappointed but not upset.

And I've argued for the convention and delegate process all along and I still will, Donald walks in to the convention and leaves with the votes, he more than deserved it. No claims of cheating, rigging or the like, it's obviously all inured to his benefit.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm fine with the numbers - what's the scoreboard say?

Trump Votes: ~ 10.6 million

Non-Trump Votes: ~15 million

I'd be more worried about my country and my fellow Americans if the number was reversed.

eta - basically what we have here is a classic minority takeover, whether it's a shareholder's meeting or the 1917 Russian Duma, things like this happen.
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Oh man that looks bad but Hillarys are worse

Hillary votes ~12.4 million

Non Hillary votes ~ 34.9 million 

 
Higgs said:
So can you help me understand any likely scenario where a 17 person race results in the winner having a majority of votes at this point?  Oh, by the way, Trump will have a majority of the votes when the convention comes around.  And he has a majority of the delegates available to date as well.  I'd say he did pretty good, and you would too if you were being honest.
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His campaign was fantastic as far as winning the primary, that goes without saying, no matter how distasteful I find him personally.  But he needs women and minorities to win the general -- do you honestly not see how that's going to be an massive uphill battle for him?  Further, any Republican was and is going to have a rough time in a Presidential race moving forward based on the electoral map alone.  A guy who pretty much concedes the minority vote out of the gate takes a tough situation and makes it much, much worse.

 
Loan Sharks said:
Oh man that looks bad but Hillarys are worse

Hillary votes ~12.4 million

Non Hillary votes ~ 34.9 million 
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Trump Votes: ~10.6 million

Hillary Votes: ~12.4 million

:shrug:

- Look, good luck, in the many threads we have now had I've said some nice things about Donald and about his supporters, and I've said some really critical things, but I feel like I have always tried to back up my comments.

So I will say here, Congratulations.

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
His campaign was fantastic as far as winning the primary, that goes without saying, no matter how distasteful I find him personally.  But he needs women and minorities to win the general -- do you honestly not see how that's going to be an massive uphill battle for him?  Further, any Republican was and is going to have a rough time in a Presidential race moving forward based on the electoral map alone.  A guy who pretty much concedes the minority vote out of the gate takes a tough situation and makes it much, much worse.
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The electoral collage will be the next thing he rants about being a crooked system. As if (once again) he didn't know the rules going in.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Russia: NATO military buildup in eastern Europe will require 'retaliatory measures' from Moscow


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-will-respond-to-nato-buildup-in-baltics-2016-5


Iranian commander threatens to deny the US access to the Persian Gulf


http://www.businessinsider.com/iranian-commander-threatens-to-deny-the-us-access-to-the-persian-gulf-2016-5


NATO reportedly plans to send 4 battalions to eastern border with Russia


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/30/nato-reportedly-plans-to-send-4-battalions-to-eastern-border-with-russia.html


China Blocks U.S. Navy Flotilla’s Visit to Hong Kong


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/world/asia/china-blocks-us-navy-flotillas-visit-to-hong-kong.html?_r=1&referer=

- Or you know you could look at the article I already posted twice for you.
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All under Obama's watch.

They want to do all of this now, why? Because they know Obama will do nothing.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
The electoral collage will be the next thing he rants about being a crooked system. As if (once again) he didn't know the rules going in.
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He'd be right. 

I don't care who says it, it's true. Just like Hillary getting to steal the nom from Sanders. Sanders could win more primaries and have it stolen from him by the "Super" Delegates. What a crock that is, worse than the Electoral College.

 
I'm definitely interested in seeing how establishment Republicans that have so much to lose handle this situation.  I think that distancing themselves from the coming bloodbath is going to look pretty appealing. Plus the fact that Trump pretty much represents the exact opposite of what conservatives actually believe in and have fought for for years -- free trade, social conservatism, interventionist foreign policy, etc.  Obviously, the top priority is going to be attempting to limit the damage down-ticket, but how do they even start to do that?  I've read a lot of speculation that we're going to see a major "Republicans for Hillary" movement coming soon.  One thing I'm 100% certain about is the corporate big Super PAC $$$ being thrown behind her.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/salter-clinton-over-trump

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I'm definitely interested in seeing how establishment Republicans that have so much to lose handle this situation.  I think that distancing themselves from the coming bloodbath is going to look pretty appealing. Plus the fact that Trump pretty much represents the exact opposite of what conservatives actually believe in and have fought for for years -- free trade, social conservatism, interventionist foreign policy, etc.  Obviously, the top priority is going to be attempting to limit the damage down-ticket, but how do they even start to do that?  I've read a lot of speculation that we're going to see a major "Republicans for Hillary" movement coming soon.  One thing I'm 100% certain about is the corporate big Super PAC $$$ being thrown behind her.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/salter-clinton-over-trump
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It's going to be a huge fundraising and money advantage for Hillary.

And it's going to be funny when Donald starts taking money from the GOP donor class and they ask him to pony up some of his own.

 
Mr.Pack said:
He'd be right. 

I don't care who says it, it's true. Just like Hillary getting to steal the nom from Sanders. Sanders could win more primaries and have it stolen from him by the "Super" Delegates. What a crock that is, worse than the Electoral College.
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Clinton has handily beaten him in both popular votes and pledged delegates. So the supers aren't really stealing anything. They'll be affirming the will of the voters at the convention just as they did in 2008.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It's going to be a huge fundraising and money advantage for Hillary.

And it's going to be funny when Donald starts taking money from the GOP donor class and they ask him to pony up some of his own.
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You think he's going to get $$$ from these folks?  I kind of doubt it personally.  Hillary is predictable, plays by the rules, and will be down with some quid pro quo with literally whoever. So is Trump, of course, but he is also completely unstable and unpredictable, and I'd guess that scares the hell out of the corporate interests.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
You think he's going to get $$$ from these folks?  I kind of doubt it personally.  Hillary is predictable, plays by the rules, and will be down with some quid pro quo with literally whoever. So is Trump, of course, but he is also completely unstable and unpredictable, and I'd guess that scares the hell out of the corporate interests.
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Good point, he's already said he would be asking for it, hat in hand, how much he gets I have no idea. The Kochs staying on the bench is not a good sign for him.

Donald will be asked/told to chip in substantially regardless.

 
He can always take the federal campaign funds if the donors won't get behind him. Which BTW, can he use those to pay back the money he loaned his campaign in the primary?

 
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